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		<title>By: Vicki in ABQ</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/01/16/the-treasury-note-retirement-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-846633</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki in ABQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really liking this idea...keeping money that you can&#039;t afford to lose safe, no matter what.   It&#039;s not that I&#039;m against stocks, but I think we&#039;ve all learned that you need to play with stocks only with money you CAN afford to lose (that way you&#039;re not forced to sell when stock prices are low to make ends meet). Not that any investment is free of risks, but if these Treasury notes become useless, so does our currency, so they&#039;re pretty close to risk-free.  I do have some questions:
1.  Can you do this inside a Roth IRA?
2.  Is there a way to automate this so that you don&#039;t miss buying another note?
3.  What are the smallest denominations of treasury notes you can buy?  (Can you start buying small or do you have to save up tens of thousands first?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really liking this idea&#8230;keeping money that you can&#8217;t afford to lose safe, no matter what.   It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m against stocks, but I think we&#8217;ve all learned that you need to play with stocks only with money you CAN afford to lose (that way you&#8217;re not forced to sell when stock prices are low to make ends meet). Not that any investment is free of risks, but if these Treasury notes become useless, so does our currency, so they&#8217;re pretty close to risk-free.  I do have some questions:<br />
1.  Can you do this inside a Roth IRA?<br />
2.  Is there a way to automate this so that you don&#8217;t miss buying another note?<br />
3.  What are the smallest denominations of treasury notes you can buy?  (Can you start buying small or do you have to save up tens of thousands first?)</p>
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		<title>By: Dividend Growth Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividend Growth Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a terrible investment plan. Even if you can&#039;t stomatch any volatility in the markets you need to have a diversified portfolio including stocks so that you don&#039;t outlive your money. A 50-75% stock allocation would work ok for Bill.
Just because the inflaiton has been 3% on average, does not mean that it can&#039;t spike up above 10%-15% in a single year.If double digit inflation picks up, Bill would have to stop playing golf and start looking for a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a terrible investment plan. Even if you can&#8217;t stomatch any volatility in the markets you need to have a diversified portfolio including stocks so that you don&#8217;t outlive your money. A 50-75% stock allocation would work ok for Bill.<br />
Just because the inflaiton has been 3% on average, does not mean that it can&#8217;t spike up above 10%-15% in a single year.If double digit inflation picks up, Bill would have to stop playing golf and start looking for a job.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not really the best Advice I could think of. If Bill was really worth that amount of money he could invest a small portion of it in much more lucrative ventures to secure himself a much better retirement. Why not trasnfer some of the money into an annuity or some form of life insurance to shield the money from probate when he dies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not really the best Advice I could think of. If Bill was really worth that amount of money he could invest a small portion of it in much more lucrative ventures to secure himself a much better retirement. Why not trasnfer some of the money into an annuity or some form of life insurance to shield the money from probate when he dies.</p>
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		<title>By: Details Details</title>
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		<dc:creator>Details Details</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about accurate math? If Bill really bought $500,000 face value T-Notes they would pay 4.625% a year, split into two equal semiannual payments:

$500,000 * 0.04625 = $23,125.00 (per year)
$23,125.00 / 2 = $11,562.50 (every 6 months)

In order to match the coupon payments cited of $4,625.00, Bill would have had to have purchased $200,000 T-Notes.

$200,000 * 0.04625 / 2 = $4,625.00 (every 6 months)

This is a huge difference in the amount of principal tied up, since as written Bill has six times $500,000 or a cool $3 million. In reality, though, I assume he only has $1.2 million in T-Notes.

As far as inflation, Bill needs to add to his principal every year. Bill took home ($4,625.00/month)*(12 months) = $55,500.00 for the year (gross). Assuming the numbers given are for 2006, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator Bill needs an annual income of $57,358.81 in 2007 just to match inflation.

If he can maintain the 4.625% coupon interest then Bill needs to increase his T-Notes from $200,000 each to about $206,700, or his total invested principal from $1.2 million to $1.24 million.

That&#039;s a difference of $40,000. But Bill&#039;s income was only $55,500! It is impossible for him to &quot;beat inflation&quot; or even &quot;keep up with&quot; it given these numbers unless he&#039;s only living on $15,500 a year. And that doesn&#039;t buy a lot of golf after living expenses.

Of course if Bill really does have $3 million invested that gives him an annual income of $138,750, and if he is only living off of $55,500 of that then he has $83,250 left over to add to his principal. That means next year he&#039;ll have an annual income of $142,600, of which he&#039;ll still need $57,359 to live off of, leaving $85,241 to invest. This is just shy of the $86,038 ($83,250 adjusted for inflation) necessary to &quot;last in perpetuity&quot;. (Or at least another year, as I didn&#039;t extend the analysis any further.)

In reality, though, Bill doesn&#039;t need an income stream from interest only that is immune to inflationary erosion. At some point he won&#039;t be able to play golf anymore and eventually he will expire. (Hopefully not anytime soon!) Leaving &quot;several million dollars&quot; to his heirs is a wonderful gesture, but there&#039;s no reason he can&#039;t tap into his principal. The catch of course is to be able to have the principal&#039;s lifetime not fall short of our own lifespan and leave us penniless.

The overall premise is still interesting, though, especially as it avoids state and municipal (but not federal) income taxes. It would be interesting to compare this T-Note strategy to, for example, Fidelity Freedom Income Fund, a mutual fund designed for people who have retired before 1998. The asset allocation for this fund is 40% short term (money market and short-term bond), 20% domestic equities (stocks), and the balance in fixed income (bonds). It includes U.S. Treasury bonds such as T-Notes, to be sure, but only as a piece of a larger puzzle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about accurate math? If Bill really bought $500,000 face value T-Notes they would pay 4.625% a year, split into two equal semiannual payments:</p>
<p>$500,000 * 0.04625 = $23,125.00 (per year)<br />
$23,125.00 / 2 = $11,562.50 (every 6 months)</p>
<p>In order to match the coupon payments cited of $4,625.00, Bill would have had to have purchased $200,000 T-Notes.</p>
<p>$200,000 * 0.04625 / 2 = $4,625.00 (every 6 months)</p>
<p>This is a huge difference in the amount of principal tied up, since as written Bill has six times $500,000 or a cool $3 million. In reality, though, I assume he only has $1.2 million in T-Notes.</p>
<p>As far as inflation, Bill needs to add to his principal every year. Bill took home ($4,625.00/month)*(12 months) = $55,500.00 for the year (gross). Assuming the numbers given are for 2006, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator Bill needs an annual income of $57,358.81 in 2007 just to match inflation.</p>
<p>If he can maintain the 4.625% coupon interest then Bill needs to increase his T-Notes from $200,000 each to about $206,700, or his total invested principal from $1.2 million to $1.24 million.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a difference of $40,000. But Bill&#8217;s income was only $55,500! It is impossible for him to &#8220;beat inflation&#8221; or even &#8220;keep up with&#8221; it given these numbers unless he&#8217;s only living on $15,500 a year. And that doesn&#8217;t buy a lot of golf after living expenses.</p>
<p>Of course if Bill really does have $3 million invested that gives him an annual income of $138,750, and if he is only living off of $55,500 of that then he has $83,250 left over to add to his principal. That means next year he&#8217;ll have an annual income of $142,600, of which he&#8217;ll still need $57,359 to live off of, leaving $85,241 to invest. This is just shy of the $86,038 ($83,250 adjusted for inflation) necessary to &#8220;last in perpetuity&#8221;. (Or at least another year, as I didn&#8217;t extend the analysis any further.)</p>
<p>In reality, though, Bill doesn&#8217;t need an income stream from interest only that is immune to inflationary erosion. At some point he won&#8217;t be able to play golf anymore and eventually he will expire. (Hopefully not anytime soon!) Leaving &#8220;several million dollars&#8221; to his heirs is a wonderful gesture, but there&#8217;s no reason he can&#8217;t tap into his principal. The catch of course is to be able to have the principal&#8217;s lifetime not fall short of our own lifespan and leave us penniless.</p>
<p>The overall premise is still interesting, though, especially as it avoids state and municipal (but not federal) income taxes. It would be interesting to compare this T-Note strategy to, for example, Fidelity Freedom Income Fund, a mutual fund designed for people who have retired before 1998. The asset allocation for this fund is 40% short term (money market and short-term bond), 20% domestic equities (stocks), and the balance in fixed income (bonds). It includes U.S. Treasury bonds such as T-Notes, to be sure, but only as a piece of a larger puzzle.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazy Man and Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazy Man and Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it really last forever though?  It seems like 4.625% doesn&#039;t beat inflation by much.  I think it typically beats it by 1%, sometimes by even less.  So if he&#039;s living off his interest completely there will be a time when his principle doesn&#039;t buy much and when that $4,625 of interest doesn&#039;t get him through the month, he&#039;ll start having problems.  This may take quite some time, but overall, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the best plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it really last forever though?  It seems like 4.625% doesn&#8217;t beat inflation by much.  I think it typically beats it by 1%, sometimes by even less.  So if he&#8217;s living off his interest completely there will be a time when his principle doesn&#8217;t buy much and when that $4,625 of interest doesn&#8217;t get him through the month, he&#8217;ll start having problems.  This may take quite some time, but overall, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the best plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very good... im 22 and just signed up for 403b plan.. its time to learn how to invest... good site.. thx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very good&#8230; im 22 and just signed up for 403b plan.. its time to learn how to invest&#8230; good site.. thx</p>
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