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	<title>Comments on: Borrowing Against A Retirement Plan To Make A 20% Down Payment</title>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I work for the state of Texas...and I have a 6 year teacher retirement built up. The thing that concerns me is that Teacher retirement states that you can&#039;t borrow against your own money or take out a loan against your own money. Does anyone know about this or how I can go about getting a loan against my retirement that I already have build up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I work for the state of Texas&#8230;and I have a 6 year teacher retirement built up. The thing that concerns me is that Teacher retirement states that you can&#8217;t borrow against your own money or take out a loan against your own money. Does anyone know about this or how I can go about getting a loan against my retirement that I already have build up?</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the Canadians out there -- you can borrow from your RRSP under the First Time Home Buyers program.  However, we are NOT allowed to use RRSPs as collateral for loans.  If any institution was foolish enough to take your RRSPs as collateral and it was discovered, you would be deemed to have withdrawn those funds and would be taxed on the entire amount.  I found this out on Gordon Pape&#039;s website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the Canadians out there &#8212; you can borrow from your RRSP under the First Time Home Buyers program.  However, we are NOT allowed to use RRSPs as collateral for loans.  If any institution was foolish enough to take your RRSPs as collateral and it was discovered, you would be deemed to have withdrawn those funds and would be taxed on the entire amount.  I found this out on Gordon Pape&#8217;s website.</p>
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		<title>By: LivingAlmostLarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>LivingAlmostLarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also did an 80/10/10 when we bought our first condo.  Now we&#039;re in an 80% mortgage on our second place.  I wouldn&#039;t borrow against the 401k, what if you die, become disabled, or laid off?  Then it&#039;s due immediately and you have no EF because you&#039;ll be forced to wipe it out to cover the loan.

I&#039;d either save a bit more for a DP or go with a 80/15/5.  Also PMI is now also tax deductible, no idea if this is a good thing for you or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also did an 80/10/10 when we bought our first condo.  Now we&#8217;re in an 80% mortgage on our second place.  I wouldn&#8217;t borrow against the 401k, what if you die, become disabled, or laid off?  Then it&#8217;s due immediately and you have no EF because you&#8217;ll be forced to wipe it out to cover the loan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d either save a bit more for a DP or go with a 80/15/5.  Also PMI is now also tax deductible, no idea if this is a good thing for you or not.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there&#039;s this from the Wall St. Journal today:

&quot;Subprime Lenders’ Miscue Bad Bets May Foreshadow More General Credit Crunch; HSBC&#039;s Household Setback: Is subprime the first shoe to drop? While house prices kept climbing, it was easy enough for homeowners to pay existing loans by refinancing. But across most of the country, home prices are now falling. That&#039;s causing a headache for lenders to the lowest-rated mortgage borrowers. Though these account for 14% of home loans outstanding, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, problems in this area may foreshadow a more general credit crunch. But the real problem lies with the general decline in lending standards, that occurred during the housing boom. That was a result of intense competition among mortgage lenders. Loans to subprime borrowers as a percentage of total mortgages have increased fivefold since 2002. Underwriting standards have also been cut elsewhere. Witness the rapid growth of &quot;nontraditional&quot; mortgages, such as negative amortization loans, on which the loan principal actually increases in size. These account for around a third of home loans outstanding, according to Loan Performance, a research firm. For mortgage lenders, having behaved rashly when times were great, there&#039;s a danger that they will now become overly cautious.&quot;

I&#039;m saving up for my 20% downpayment. It&#039;ll probably take another year, but that seems like good timing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#8217;s this from the Wall St. Journal today:</p>
<p>&#8220;Subprime Lenders’ Miscue Bad Bets May Foreshadow More General Credit Crunch; HSBC&#8217;s Household Setback: Is subprime the first shoe to drop? While house prices kept climbing, it was easy enough for homeowners to pay existing loans by refinancing. But across most of the country, home prices are now falling. That&#8217;s causing a headache for lenders to the lowest-rated mortgage borrowers. Though these account for 14% of home loans outstanding, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, problems in this area may foreshadow a more general credit crunch. But the real problem lies with the general decline in lending standards, that occurred during the housing boom. That was a result of intense competition among mortgage lenders. Loans to subprime borrowers as a percentage of total mortgages have increased fivefold since 2002. Underwriting standards have also been cut elsewhere. Witness the rapid growth of &#8220;nontraditional&#8221; mortgages, such as negative amortization loans, on which the loan principal actually increases in size. These account for around a third of home loans outstanding, according to Loan Performance, a research firm. For mortgage lenders, having behaved rashly when times were great, there&#8217;s a danger that they will now become overly cautious.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m saving up for my 20% downpayment. It&#8217;ll probably take another year, but that seems like good timing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Serena had some good advice about the 10-10-80 plans.  Have you looked into that or do you feel that&#039;s not a good way to accomplish your goal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serena had some good advice about the 10-10-80 plans.  Have you looked into that or do you feel that&#8217;s not a good way to accomplish your goal?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did an 80/10/10 to avoid PMI (30 year fixed/15-year fixed/10% down).  I saw it mentioned before, but in 07 PMI is going to be able to be written off, which sort of defeats the purpose of a 2nd fixed rate loan.  The second loan for us was about 1.25% higher than the first.

One other thing I heard from other people is that you can buy your own PMI and there&#039;s no reason to take the PMI offered by your lender.  This might help defer the cost.  I did not hear about this until after I had already purchased the home, so I do not know all of the details.  Might be worth looking into as well.

On another note, your loan says they will take off PMI when equity reaches 78% or something like that to get a few more dollars.  You will have to make a request to have it removed at 80%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did an 80/10/10 to avoid PMI (30 year fixed/15-year fixed/10% down).  I saw it mentioned before, but in 07 PMI is going to be able to be written off, which sort of defeats the purpose of a 2nd fixed rate loan.  The second loan for us was about 1.25% higher than the first.</p>
<p>One other thing I heard from other people is that you can buy your own PMI and there&#8217;s no reason to take the PMI offered by your lender.  This might help defer the cost.  I did not hear about this until after I had already purchased the home, so I do not know all of the details.  Might be worth looking into as well.</p>
<p>On another note, your loan says they will take off PMI when equity reaches 78% or something like that to get a few more dollars.  You will have to make a request to have it removed at 80%.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thinking.

I started with a minimal down payment on a smaller house, so my PMI was lower.  Then I made extra payments of $100/month for just over two years.  Then I refinanced, changing my 30-year mortgage to a 15-year mortgage at a lower interest rate.  By then my equity was much higher so my PMI dropped substantially.

Note that small increases in your down payment can lead to big decreases in your PMI.

$ 5,000: $147.33
$10,000: $107.25
$15,000: $104.00
$20,000: $ 67.17

It looks like some big cut-off points are 5% and 10%:
 5% = $ 8,750: $108.06 PMI
10% = $17,500: $ 68.25 PMI

You might want to try re-doing your calculations with 5% down and see if there&#039;s a big difference.

Remember that you can also pay extra on your principal, since you&#039;re really concerned about how much goes toward equity.  When I first got my house, only $30/month was going toward principal, so adding that extra $100/month made a really big difference.  In less than three years, I had basically turned my 30-year loan into a 23-year-loan (that&#039;s how much earlier I would have paid off the loan if I quit paying extra from then on).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thinking.</p>
<p>I started with a minimal down payment on a smaller house, so my PMI was lower.  Then I made extra payments of $100/month for just over two years.  Then I refinanced, changing my 30-year mortgage to a 15-year mortgage at a lower interest rate.  By then my equity was much higher so my PMI dropped substantially.</p>
<p>Note that small increases in your down payment can lead to big decreases in your PMI.</p>
<p>$ 5,000: $147.33<br />
$10,000: $107.25<br />
$15,000: $104.00<br />
$20,000: $ 67.17</p>
<p>It looks like some big cut-off points are 5% and 10%:<br />
 5% = $ 8,750: $108.06 PMI<br />
10% = $17,500: $ 68.25 PMI</p>
<p>You might want to try re-doing your calculations with 5% down and see if there&#8217;s a big difference.</p>
<p>Remember that you can also pay extra on your principal, since you&#8217;re really concerned about how much goes toward equity.  When I first got my house, only $30/month was going toward principal, so adding that extra $100/month made a really big difference.  In less than three years, I had basically turned my 30-year loan into a 23-year-loan (that&#8217;s how much earlier I would have paid off the loan if I quit paying extra from then on).</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be interested to know what the figures are on an adjustable rate mortgage.

I come from a country where our equivalent of an ARM (interest rate fixed for x years) is the longest level of fix that you can get on a mortgage, otherwise your interest rate can (and often does) change from month to month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested to know what the figures are on an adjustable rate mortgage.</p>
<p>I come from a country where our equivalent of an ARM (interest rate fixed for x years) is the longest level of fix that you can get on a mortgage, otherwise your interest rate can (and often does) change from month to month.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psychologically, once you go down the slippery slope of borrowing against your retirement now, you will find all kinds of excellent reasons to do so in the future.  If you haven&#039;t been able to save up the 20% down payment to forgo the PMI, then you should probably wait to buy the home.  The real estate market is going down and the job market is never guaranteed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psychologically, once you go down the slippery slope of borrowing against your retirement now, you will find all kinds of excellent reasons to do so in the future.  If you haven&#8217;t been able to save up the 20% down payment to forgo the PMI, then you should probably wait to buy the home.  The real estate market is going down and the job market is never guaranteed.</p>
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		<title>By: TiP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more info on what&#039;s going on in the subprime mortgage market and how that&#039;s going to further impact a slow housing market and the economy in general, here&#039;s a scary read:
http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=883
And you can go to the site he got the graph from and see that it&#039;s continued to deteriorate since he wrote it last week.

Bottom line: It&#039;s a good time to keep saving up for the 20% down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more info on what&#8217;s going on in the subprime mortgage market and how that&#8217;s going to further impact a slow housing market and the economy in general, here&#8217;s a scary read:<br />
<a href="http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=883" rel="nofollow">http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=883</a><br />
And you can go to the site he got the graph from and see that it&#8217;s continued to deteriorate since he wrote it last week.</p>
<p>Bottom line: It&#8217;s a good time to keep saving up for the 20% down.</p>
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		<title>By: mapgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mapgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, it&#039;s good to explore your options and I agree that you shouldn&#039;t spend your emergency fund on your down payment. I had a friend whose condo was flooded by Katrina 2 weeks after settlement. His unit was on the 2nd floor and ok, but emergencies are emergencies. You are right not spend your EF on your downpayment.

I highly encourage you to look at getting a second trust. Often you can fix the interest rate, which is something I did. (I had a blog post about it last autumn.) I did an 80/15/5 when I was making 40% less than I do now. I don&#039;t pay any PMI, but I do have a slightly higher interest rate on the second trust, but nowhere near as bad as a credit card.

Good luck! I say you should wait another year to save a downpayment if you can, or else go with the second trust scenario. It sounds like you&#039;d be able to pay it off rather quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, it&#8217;s good to explore your options and I agree that you shouldn&#8217;t spend your emergency fund on your down payment. I had a friend whose condo was flooded by Katrina 2 weeks after settlement. His unit was on the 2nd floor and ok, but emergencies are emergencies. You are right not spend your EF on your downpayment.</p>
<p>I highly encourage you to look at getting a second trust. Often you can fix the interest rate, which is something I did. (I had a blog post about it last autumn.) I did an 80/15/5 when I was making 40% less than I do now. I don&#8217;t pay any PMI, but I do have a slightly higher interest rate on the second trust, but nowhere near as bad as a credit card.</p>
<p>Good luck! I say you should wait another year to save a downpayment if you can, or else go with the second trust scenario. It sounds like you&#8217;d be able to pay it off rather quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not have a 401(k).  I am able to obtain a loan using my retirement account as collateral.  Let&#039;s say I want to borrow $30K.  They&#039;ll loan me $30K at 4.125%, leave my account alone, and simply claim a number of shares equal to $30K as collateral on the loan.  If I fail to pay, they&#039;ll take the collateral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have a 401(k).  I am able to obtain a loan using my retirement account as collateral.  Let&#8217;s say I want to borrow $30K.  They&#8217;ll loan me $30K at 4.125%, leave my account alone, and simply claim a number of shares equal to $30K as collateral on the loan.  If I fail to pay, they&#8217;ll take the collateral.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As has been mentioned above borrowing against a 401(k) is very risky.  I would be shocked if you can retain your investments on the loaned amount.  Where do you think the money is coming from?  No one is going to loan you money for 10 years at 4.125%.  The deal is $30k in investments will be liquidated from your account and you will &quot;pay yourself&quot; 4.125% interest.

You may want to look into a FHA loan.  We have an FHA loan and the way it was explained to me is that when you reach 20% equity all the money you paid for PMI will be refunded.  In our case about 1 year after the mortgage was established they couldn&#039;t verify either my wife&#039;s or my income and therefore the PMI was canceled and our premiums were refunded.  Luckily this didn&#039;t affect our loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As has been mentioned above borrowing against a 401(k) is very risky.  I would be shocked if you can retain your investments on the loaned amount.  Where do you think the money is coming from?  No one is going to loan you money for 10 years at 4.125%.  The deal is $30k in investments will be liquidated from your account and you will &#8220;pay yourself&#8221; 4.125% interest.</p>
<p>You may want to look into a FHA loan.  We have an FHA loan and the way it was explained to me is that when you reach 20% equity all the money you paid for PMI will be refunded.  In our case about 1 year after the mortgage was established they couldn&#8217;t verify either my wife&#8217;s or my income and therefore the PMI was canceled and our premiums were refunded.  Luckily this didn&#8217;t affect our loan.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re basically exploring all of our options and eliminating ones that are plainly worse than others.  As far as we can tell, PMI is a poor option for our situation.  Now, is it better to borrow at 4.125% rather than tapping into our 5.05% earning emergency fund?  We&#039;re not quite sure about that one - and I probably won&#039;t write about it until we&#039;ve really made our decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re basically exploring all of our options and eliminating ones that are plainly worse than others.  As far as we can tell, PMI is a poor option for our situation.  Now, is it better to borrow at 4.125% rather than tapping into our 5.05% earning emergency fund?  We&#8217;re not quite sure about that one &#8211; and I probably won&#8217;t write about it until we&#8217;ve really made our decision.</p>
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		<title>By: TiP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent: I&#039;d like to echo the sentiments of most people here.  In the current environment it pays to wait and save up more.  By that I mean that home prices are not currently rising in most areas and in many areas they are falling.  That gives you time to build up your down-payment-fund and you&#039;ll likely pay less than you would if you were to buy right now.  The turmoil in the MBS markets (Mortgage Backed Securities) could very well be spreading from the sub-prime (BBB rated) to the higher rated categories.  Lenders are in the process of tightening requirements and that&#039;s going to cut out about 20% of the buyers out of the market (about 20% of loans in in the last four years have been subprime loans).  Add to that the fact that $1.2Trillion in ARMs are readjusting to higher rates this year and the fallout will be that a good percentage of those folks won&#039;t be able to qualify to refi into a 30year fixed loan.  That&#039;s what&#039;s driving up the foreclosure rates.  It&#039;s not a pretty picture for people who bought in the last 4 years or so, but for buyers with good credit &amp; cash for a 20% downpayment it should be very good in the second half of the year.

You&#039;re correct to not dip into your emergency fund, but borrowing against a 401K can be risky (the risks have already been outlined here).  The risks could be amplified by a deteriorating economy brought on by the mortgage lending crisis.  The tech stock crash of 2000 had a very serious impact on some segments of the economy.  This mortgage crisis (for lack of a better phrase) has the potential to make the tech-crash look small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent: I&#8217;d like to echo the sentiments of most people here.  In the current environment it pays to wait and save up more.  By that I mean that home prices are not currently rising in most areas and in many areas they are falling.  That gives you time to build up your down-payment-fund and you&#8217;ll likely pay less than you would if you were to buy right now.  The turmoil in the MBS markets (Mortgage Backed Securities) could very well be spreading from the sub-prime (BBB rated) to the higher rated categories.  Lenders are in the process of tightening requirements and that&#8217;s going to cut out about 20% of the buyers out of the market (about 20% of loans in in the last four years have been subprime loans).  Add to that the fact that $1.2Trillion in ARMs are readjusting to higher rates this year and the fallout will be that a good percentage of those folks won&#8217;t be able to qualify to refi into a 30year fixed loan.  That&#8217;s what&#8217;s driving up the foreclosure rates.  It&#8217;s not a pretty picture for people who bought in the last 4 years or so, but for buyers with good credit &amp; cash for a 20% downpayment it should be very good in the second half of the year.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re correct to not dip into your emergency fund, but borrowing against a 401K can be risky (the risks have already been outlined here).  The risks could be amplified by a deteriorating economy brought on by the mortgage lending crisis.  The tech stock crash of 2000 had a very serious impact on some segments of the economy.  This mortgage crisis (for lack of a better phrase) has the potential to make the tech-crash look small.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent,
You feel comfortable borrowing the cash - but not comfortable spending your emergency fund?

Surely you could use the EF to pay the deposit - and then start pumping the money you would have spent on the loan back into your EF account (or into a mortgage offset account - to bring down interest payments)..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent,<br />
You feel comfortable borrowing the cash &#8211; but not comfortable spending your emergency fund?</p>
<p>Surely you could use the EF to pay the deposit &#8211; and then start pumping the money you would have spent on the loan back into your EF account (or into a mortgage offset account &#8211; to bring down interest payments)..</p>
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		<title>By: Mission Debt Freedom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mission Debt Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if you only borrowed $10k and took the other $25k from the emergency fund?  That would leave you plenty in emergency savings, and minimize the impact of borrowing against the retirement account.  Either way, I am with you on avoiding PMI at just about all costs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you only borrowed $10k and took the other $25k from the emergency fund?  That would leave you plenty in emergency savings, and minimize the impact of borrowing against the retirement account.  Either way, I am with you on avoiding PMI at just about all costs!</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have enough in an emergency fund to write a check for the down payment, NCN.  I just don&#039;t feel comfortable wiping out my emergency fund for that purpose, so we&#039;re looking at our other options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have enough in an emergency fund to write a check for the down payment, NCN.  I just don&#8217;t feel comfortable wiping out my emergency fund for that purpose, so we&#8217;re looking at our other options.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the &quot;reimbursement&quot; you mention is for money left in escrow, not for the insurance premiums.  This happens when people put up good faith money to get a mortgage, but something goes wrong; the person that takes over the mortgage can claim the escrow money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the &#8220;reimbursement&#8221; you mention is for money left in escrow, not for the insurance premiums.  This happens when people put up good faith money to get a mortgage, but something goes wrong; the person that takes over the mortgage can claim the escrow money.</p>
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		<title>By: NCN</title>
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		<dc:creator>NCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I ask why you don&#039;t simply save up the money for the down payment?  If you saved the 1000 dollars a month, you&#039;d have 30K in 30 Months... As for borrowing from your retirement account... Why don&#039;t your just suspend your retirement contributions for a while so that you save up enough for the down payment?  I have no idea what your salary is or will be, but I&#039;d just wait until I had the 20% saved up and then I&#039;d make the purchase...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I ask why you don&#8217;t simply save up the money for the down payment?  If you saved the 1000 dollars a month, you&#8217;d have 30K in 30 Months&#8230; As for borrowing from your retirement account&#8230; Why don&#8217;t your just suspend your retirement contributions for a while so that you save up enough for the down payment?  I have no idea what your salary is or will be, but I&#8217;d just wait until I had the 20% saved up and then I&#8217;d make the purchase&#8230;</p>
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