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	<title>Comments on: Consumer Reports, Total Cost of Ownership, and Why I Buy What I Do</title>
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		<title>By: marty</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/05/14/consumer-reports-total-cost-of-ownership-and-why-i-buy-what-i-do/#comment-430529</link>
		<dc:creator>marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While this article sounds good on the surface, it has one major flaw.  The assumptions the author is using to develop TCO (mainly the average life of each unit or mean time between failure, MTBF) is flawed.  As a result the conclusion drawn is also flawed.  In short, I question the 12yr lifespan of a front loader as I have both emperical evidence (my own &amp; other that have opted to buy the more expensive units) and the testomony of a reliable appliance store/repair shop to counter.  What the dealer repair told me (&amp; I have found) is the average lifespan of a front loader (including the maytags) is closer to 5 or 6 years (mine failed just after 6 yrs of operation).  The repairman that I&#039;ve talked to agree that the old style top loader simply outlast the front loaders and there really isn&#039;t much of a comparison.  So the TCO figures the author uses ought to be flipped around.  The only area the TCO of a front loader is superior in is the H2O &amp; electricity costs (which can be significant).  However if a top loader is likely to last 2x as long as a top loader the break even point may never be realized depending on your electricity &amp; H2O costs.  You&#039;ll need to do your own math.  And should H2O &amp; electricity costs go way up (as they will) then you can always re-evaluate.

So If you figure six loads a week for fifty two weeks over twenty years, you end up with extra costs of almost $400]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this article sounds good on the surface, it has one major flaw.  The assumptions the author is using to develop TCO (mainly the average life of each unit or mean time between failure, MTBF) is flawed.  As a result the conclusion drawn is also flawed.  In short, I question the 12yr lifespan of a front loader as I have both emperical evidence (my own &amp; other that have opted to buy the more expensive units) and the testomony of a reliable appliance store/repair shop to counter.  What the dealer repair told me (&amp; I have found) is the average lifespan of a front loader (including the maytags) is closer to 5 or 6 years (mine failed just after 6 yrs of operation).  The repairman that I&#8217;ve talked to agree that the old style top loader simply outlast the front loaders and there really isn&#8217;t much of a comparison.  So the TCO figures the author uses ought to be flipped around.  The only area the TCO of a front loader is superior in is the H2O &amp; electricity costs (which can be significant).  However if a top loader is likely to last 2x as long as a top loader the break even point may never be realized depending on your electricity &amp; H2O costs.  You&#8217;ll need to do your own math.  And should H2O &amp; electricity costs go way up (as they will) then you can always re-evaluate.</p>
<p>So If you figure six loads a week for fifty two weeks over twenty years, you end up with extra costs of almost $400</p>
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		<title>By: Schwamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schwamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is something called life-cycle costs that are calculated for items over an extended period of time to determine what their overall cost will be as well as when a certain &quot;break-even&quot; point is reached.  You either have a benchmark to work from or a comparison (as you did in this case) to determine which becomes the more cost efficient route to go.  Everyone should do this for all expensive long term use purchases.  As you pointed out, lower upfront cost doesn&#039;t always equate to lower overall cost!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something called life-cycle costs that are calculated for items over an extended period of time to determine what their overall cost will be as well as when a certain &#8220;break-even&#8221; point is reached.  You either have a benchmark to work from or a comparison (as you did in this case) to determine which becomes the more cost efficient route to go.  Everyone should do this for all expensive long term use purchases.  As you pointed out, lower upfront cost doesn&#8217;t always equate to lower overall cost!</p>
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		<title>By: daydreamr</title>
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		<dc:creator>daydreamr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I grew up with the cheapest models and they have lasted a long time.  When we moved into a house in 1995 we bought the most inexpensive washer/dryer that has lasted 12 yrs so far. We had a cheap-o dishwasher that lasted 10+ years and then my mom splurged on a fancier one that needed to be replaced a couple years later. In fact, a salesman @ circuit city (before they got rid of appliances) told us that the cheaper brands last longer. This is especially true for models that have less features. Less moving parts to break. I have found this to be true. They don&#039;t make things like they used to and you are really buying the name on most items. I think it&#039;s more assuring to buy the maytag because you spend more upfront and think it will last a long time. That&#039;s fine, but I think it would be better to take the difference and put it into your account. If anything happens to the cheap appliance down the road you could buy another one and probably still come out ahead. I just can&#039;t see spending so much on something that is going to do the same thing as a cheaper model. That&#039;s what being frugal is all about. In fact, I bought a very old washer for $50 a year ago. I do several loads a week and it&#039;s still going strong. I could have bought a new one but I figure it&#039;s paid for it&#039;s self by now and if I have to leave it behind when I end up moving, I won&#039;t mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up with the cheapest models and they have lasted a long time.  When we moved into a house in 1995 we bought the most inexpensive washer/dryer that has lasted 12 yrs so far. We had a cheap-o dishwasher that lasted 10+ years and then my mom splurged on a fancier one that needed to be replaced a couple years later. In fact, a salesman @ circuit city (before they got rid of appliances) told us that the cheaper brands last longer. This is especially true for models that have less features. Less moving parts to break. I have found this to be true. They don&#8217;t make things like they used to and you are really buying the name on most items. I think it&#8217;s more assuring to buy the maytag because you spend more upfront and think it will last a long time. That&#8217;s fine, but I think it would be better to take the difference and put it into your account. If anything happens to the cheap appliance down the road you could buy another one and probably still come out ahead. I just can&#8217;t see spending so much on something that is going to do the same thing as a cheaper model. That&#8217;s what being frugal is all about. In fact, I bought a very old washer for $50 a year ago. I do several loads a week and it&#8217;s still going strong. I could have bought a new one but I figure it&#8217;s paid for it&#8217;s self by now and if I have to leave it behind when I end up moving, I won&#8217;t mind.</p>
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		<title>By: KarenFLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>KarenFLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I buy a cheaper washer and dryer that are energy efficient and maintain a home warranty plan so all it costs me is $50 to have a repairman in no matter how long it takes. My mother got the extended warranty on her washer and had it 20 years until she moved.It&#039;s cheaper to have a home warranty. However, often it does pay to have the best. We had lots of sets of knives, many of which deteriorated. When our daughter sold Cutco knives, which are almost as much as Henckl, but better quality (and made in the US), we never had to replace a knife again. I have a friend who has had her set for 40 years and never had to sharpen or replace a knife.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy a cheaper washer and dryer that are energy efficient and maintain a home warranty plan so all it costs me is $50 to have a repairman in no matter how long it takes. My mother got the extended warranty on her washer and had it 20 years until she moved.It&#8217;s cheaper to have a home warranty. However, often it does pay to have the best. We had lots of sets of knives, many of which deteriorated. When our daughter sold Cutco knives, which are almost as much as Henckl, but better quality (and made in the US), we never had to replace a knife again. I have a friend who has had her set for 40 years and never had to sharpen or replace a knife.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My parents have had the same cheapest washer/dryer set that was in the store since I was born.  So yes, the 5 year washer/dryer can be a 31 year old washer/dryer.  In contrast, a friend purchased a new fancy washer/dryer and it crapped out the 2nd year.  Myself, I go with the cheaper top load due to a bad experience with a front load where the door gasket failed and caused a leak on my floor, costing me thousands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents have had the same cheapest washer/dryer set that was in the store since I was born.  So yes, the 5 year washer/dryer can be a 31 year old washer/dryer.  In contrast, a friend purchased a new fancy washer/dryer and it crapped out the 2nd year.  Myself, I go with the cheaper top load due to a bad experience with a front load where the door gasket failed and caused a leak on my floor, costing me thousands.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if your calculations are somewhat flawed when determining costs over time of each washer. A dollar in the hand now is worth more than a dollar in the hand 10 and 20 years into the future. The purchasing power of a dollar degrades over time. Perhaps it is best to save the money now in some instances and invest the difference. Just sayin&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if your calculations are somewhat flawed when determining costs over time of each washer. A dollar in the hand now is worth more than a dollar in the hand 10 and 20 years into the future. The purchasing power of a dollar degrades over time. Perhaps it is best to save the money now in some instances and invest the difference. Just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: mjc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 04:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering it took Sears 7 trips to correctly deliver and hook up my washer and dryer, I will always go with whichever choice requires fewer buying decisions in the future.

That being said, we have been very happy with our new Whirlpool washer and dryer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering it took Sears 7 trips to correctly deliver and hook up my washer and dryer, I will always go with whichever choice requires fewer buying decisions in the future.</p>
<p>That being said, we have been very happy with our new Whirlpool washer and dryer.</p>
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		<title>By: ck_dex</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck_dex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The New York Times ran a feature recently on people who equip their rural (vacation) homes with European-brand ovens, washers and dryers, and then cannot find technicians to work on them. Or they have to pay hundreds in travel costs. Since you are in rural Iowa, check out the availability of technicians before buying a European brand, or you may have to entice the Miele repair person down from the Twin Cities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times ran a feature recently on people who equip their rural (vacation) homes with European-brand ovens, washers and dryers, and then cannot find technicians to work on them. Or they have to pay hundreds in travel costs. Since you are in rural Iowa, check out the availability of technicians before buying a European brand, or you may have to entice the Miele repair person down from the Twin Cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 19:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent, I highly recommend the German engineered Miele Washer and Dryers. They are even more efficient than other front loaders, plus they have a patented honeycomb washing basin. So not only will you be saving money on water and electricity, you will also be saving your clothes from being beat up by constant washings. They cost $1600 - $2000 but they will last you the full 20 years and save you more money too! I do not work for Miele I just admire all their products (which promote energy savings, ease of use, and durability). Good luck in all your endeavors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, I highly recommend the German engineered Miele Washer and Dryers. They are even more efficient than other front loaders, plus they have a patented honeycomb washing basin. So not only will you be saving money on water and electricity, you will also be saving your clothes from being beat up by constant washings. They cost $1600 &#8211; $2000 but they will last you the full 20 years and save you more money too! I do not work for Miele I just admire all their products (which promote energy savings, ease of use, and durability). Good luck in all your endeavors.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 15:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[front-loading models here in the U.S. are relatively recent introductions, and have not been very reliable.

search any appliance repair forum for stories (e.g. Neptune)

I agree with Ace - dad should switch brands - the Whirlpool direct-drive top-loaders are extremely reliable - those models can last 15+ years with  only a $15 water pump replacement

If you want to save energy doing the laundry:

1. wash only in cold water

2. buy a house where you can hang laundry to dry

water use is only a consideration if your area is under mandatory water restrictions or you have a well with inadequate recharge

use a &quot;plant-friendly&quot; detergent in the washer and send the discharge to a water barrel for later use in your garden/on your lawn.

another consideration is since washers and dryers are so bulky many people will sell them cheap instead of paying to move them.

that new $400 top-loader often won&#039;t cost you any more than $100 used, even less if you are willing to take one in &quot;avocado green&quot; or &quot;harvest gold&quot; :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>front-loading models here in the U.S. are relatively recent introductions, and have not been very reliable.</p>
<p>search any appliance repair forum for stories (e.g. Neptune)</p>
<p>I agree with Ace &#8211; dad should switch brands &#8211; the Whirlpool direct-drive top-loaders are extremely reliable &#8211; those models can last 15+ years with  only a $15 water pump replacement</p>
<p>If you want to save energy doing the laundry:</p>
<p>1. wash only in cold water</p>
<p>2. buy a house where you can hang laundry to dry</p>
<p>water use is only a consideration if your area is under mandatory water restrictions or you have a well with inadequate recharge</p>
<p>use a &#8220;plant-friendly&#8221; detergent in the washer and send the discharge to a water barrel for later use in your garden/on your lawn.</p>
<p>another consideration is since washers and dryers are so bulky many people will sell them cheap instead of paying to move them.</p>
<p>that new $400 top-loader often won&#8217;t cost you any more than $100 used, even less if you are willing to take one in &#8220;avocado green&#8221; or &#8220;harvest gold&#8221; :)</p>
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		<title>By: paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 14:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is it about washers that inspire so many posts? I have bookmarked a website (&quot;That Home Site!&quot;) that is devoted to home stuff, and the posts about washers are passionate too. See http://ths.gardenweb.com/search/nph-ind.cgi?term=washers&amp;p=3

I bought my washer after perusing this site for awhile. I visit it for fun every now and then, along with The Simple Dollar! Every now and then I check it for new information about detergents, or a different appliance, or I go over to the garden site that it is part of, etc.

There&#039;s a useful tool buried under this discussion about washers: Calculating cost-per-use is an excellent technique for getting value out of everything you buy. Apply it to your clothing, for example. If you buy a dress at $50 because you like it, but it hangs in your closet because you don&#039;t wear it anywhere, you have gotten $50 per wearing. If you find it is something you wear three times per season, that&#039;s a little better. If you find you wear it around the house nearly every day, and suddenly realize it&#039;s 12 years old, think of what a bargain that dress was--and would have been had you paid double for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about washers that inspire so many posts? I have bookmarked a website (&#8220;That Home Site!&#8221;) that is devoted to home stuff, and the posts about washers are passionate too. See <a href="http://ths.gardenweb.com/search/nph-ind.cgi?term=washers&#038;p=3" rel="nofollow">http://ths.gardenweb.com/search/nph-ind.cgi?term=washers&#038;p=3</a></p>
<p>I bought my washer after perusing this site for awhile. I visit it for fun every now and then, along with The Simple Dollar! Every now and then I check it for new information about detergents, or a different appliance, or I go over to the garden site that it is part of, etc.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a useful tool buried under this discussion about washers: Calculating cost-per-use is an excellent technique for getting value out of everything you buy. Apply it to your clothing, for example. If you buy a dress at $50 because you like it, but it hangs in your closet because you don&#8217;t wear it anywhere, you have gotten $50 per wearing. If you find it is something you wear three times per season, that&#8217;s a little better. If you find you wear it around the house nearly every day, and suddenly realize it&#8217;s 12 years old, think of what a bargain that dress was&#8211;and would have been had you paid double for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Livingalmostlarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Livingalmostlarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 03:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I bought a front loading washer and cheap dryer. I have an LG washer 2 years old and a maytag dryer.  I looked in CR for the cheapest most energy efficient dryer.  And save a nice bundle doing that.

Now front loading washers save a lot on water 14 gallons versus 42 per load.  Calculate that savings, plus the savings for heating the water.  Also calculate that front loading washing machines use very little detergent, about a tablespoon a load, and are gentler on the clothes.  I&#039;ve had the same bottle of detergent for 2 years, I don&#039;t buy it the way I used to.  So nice savings there.  Also front loaders get the clothes dryer so they are in the dryer longer.  I unfortunately have an electric washer and dryer because the person who renovated my house was not smart.  Plus where I live water and electric is ridiculous, so using less of both is awesome.  I know I&#039;ve saved money from my loaders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a front loading washer and cheap dryer. I have an LG washer 2 years old and a maytag dryer.  I looked in CR for the cheapest most energy efficient dryer.  And save a nice bundle doing that.</p>
<p>Now front loading washers save a lot on water 14 gallons versus 42 per load.  Calculate that savings, plus the savings for heating the water.  Also calculate that front loading washing machines use very little detergent, about a tablespoon a load, and are gentler on the clothes.  I&#8217;ve had the same bottle of detergent for 2 years, I don&#8217;t buy it the way I used to.  So nice savings there.  Also front loaders get the clothes dryer so they are in the dryer longer.  I unfortunately have an electric washer and dryer because the person who renovated my house was not smart.  Plus where I live water and electric is ridiculous, so using less of both is awesome.  I know I&#8217;ve saved money from my loaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 19:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While we did not sit down and factor out the calculations as detailed as you did, we recently bought a new washer and dryer and I couldn&#039;t be happier that we splurged for the LG with steam cycle.  The steam cycle has pretty much eliminated my need to dry clean my suits on a regular basis, thus saving significant amounts of money each month (has anyone ever noticed that it is typically more expensive to dry-clean women&#039;s clothes than men&#039;s clothes?).  By a quick estimation, I figure within 6 months to a year it will have already made up for the additional amount we paid above other standard front-load, energy-saver machines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we did not sit down and factor out the calculations as detailed as you did, we recently bought a new washer and dryer and I couldn&#8217;t be happier that we splurged for the LG with steam cycle.  The steam cycle has pretty much eliminated my need to dry clean my suits on a regular basis, thus saving significant amounts of money each month (has anyone ever noticed that it is typically more expensive to dry-clean women&#8217;s clothes than men&#8217;s clothes?).  By a quick estimation, I figure within 6 months to a year it will have already made up for the additional amount we paid above other standard front-load, energy-saver machines.</p>
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		<title>By: tabletoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tabletoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1.  A washer and dryer may come with the house - if not offered, you can always write it in the contract if you want the existing ones.

2.  It may be cheaper to buy a used washer and dryer.  I bought an expensive ASKO front loading washer and dryer at the local Habitat for Humanity resale shop for about half retail.  It was only two years old but the new owners did not like it so they donated it.  It&#039;s been great.

3.  It&#039;s not necessary to buy a matched set, especially if they will be shut away.  A repair person told me that dryers typically last much longer than washers.  You could consider buying your dream washer and using an older dryer.  By the way, I think the best way to extend the life of your washer is to NEVER overload it, better to slightly underload it, and not to use excess soap.

4.  Don&#039;t forget noise and space issues.  One reason we love our ASKOs is that the washer is very quiet through most of it&#039;s cycle.  It&#039;s located in our kitchen.  Also we love it because it is a front loader and we were able to build it in under the counter and get more counter space in our kitchen.

5.  I have had various front loaders.  I prefer them.  They do treat your clothes better and I think they wash better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  A washer and dryer may come with the house &#8211; if not offered, you can always write it in the contract if you want the existing ones.</p>
<p>2.  It may be cheaper to buy a used washer and dryer.  I bought an expensive ASKO front loading washer and dryer at the local Habitat for Humanity resale shop for about half retail.  It was only two years old but the new owners did not like it so they donated it.  It&#8217;s been great.</p>
<p>3.  It&#8217;s not necessary to buy a matched set, especially if they will be shut away.  A repair person told me that dryers typically last much longer than washers.  You could consider buying your dream washer and using an older dryer.  By the way, I think the best way to extend the life of your washer is to NEVER overload it, better to slightly underload it, and not to use excess soap.</p>
<p>4.  Don&#8217;t forget noise and space issues.  One reason we love our ASKOs is that the washer is very quiet through most of it&#8217;s cycle.  It&#8217;s located in our kitchen.  Also we love it because it is a front loader and we were able to build it in under the counter and get more counter space in our kitchen.</p>
<p>5.  I have had various front loaders.  I prefer them.  They do treat your clothes better and I think they wash better.</p>
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		<title>By: ck_dex</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck_dex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are buying the Duet w&amp;d the electrical panel in our dryer had to be replaced within a year. Fortunately, it was the one and only time I had ever bought an extended warranty. But the washer has been wonderful and clothes come out very well-wrung versus a top-load, thus easier on the dryer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are buying the Duet w&amp;d the electrical panel in our dryer had to be replaced within a year. Fortunately, it was the one and only time I had ever bought an extended warranty. But the washer has been wonderful and clothes come out very well-wrung versus a top-load, thus easier on the dryer.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t sound like you factored in detergent.  I&#039;m not sure how you&#039;d do that.  On the one hand, you&#039;re officially supposed to use special detergents for those kinds of washers, and it costs more per load than regular detergent.  On the other hand, I&#039;ve heard rumors that you can use regular detergent so long as you use less of it, so that would cost less.

I&#039;ve found two additional problems with buying things that last a long time (besides the moving issue above).  First, technology can advance so much that it&#039;s cheaper to replace your perfectly good still-working item than it is to keep using it.

Second, your needs or wishes may change such that you wish you had something different.  For example, I&#039;ll have to wait several additional years to switch to a metal roof because I got the 30-year shingles instead of the 20-year shingles; overall all I&#039;ll pay for one metal roof and one shingle roof and it would have been cheaper to have gone with the 20-year shingles.

Another comment: repairing things can be a bit cheaper these days now that you can often find instructions online (often from the manufacturer) and you can often buy the parts online from the manufacturer.  I&#039;ve fixed a washer very cheaply this way.  And I&#039;ve gotten a free door shelf for my refrigerator from the manufacturer when it broke right away.

I&#039;d also like you hear the choice you made.  I&#039;ve been looking at washers lately, and I haven&#039;t found it obvious at all which one is best even though it sounds like we have similar priorities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t sound like you factored in detergent.  I&#8217;m not sure how you&#8217;d do that.  On the one hand, you&#8217;re officially supposed to use special detergents for those kinds of washers, and it costs more per load than regular detergent.  On the other hand, I&#8217;ve heard rumors that you can use regular detergent so long as you use less of it, so that would cost less.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found two additional problems with buying things that last a long time (besides the moving issue above).  First, technology can advance so much that it&#8217;s cheaper to replace your perfectly good still-working item than it is to keep using it.</p>
<p>Second, your needs or wishes may change such that you wish you had something different.  For example, I&#8217;ll have to wait several additional years to switch to a metal roof because I got the 30-year shingles instead of the 20-year shingles; overall all I&#8217;ll pay for one metal roof and one shingle roof and it would have been cheaper to have gone with the 20-year shingles.</p>
<p>Another comment: repairing things can be a bit cheaper these days now that you can often find instructions online (often from the manufacturer) and you can often buy the parts online from the manufacturer.  I&#8217;ve fixed a washer very cheaply this way.  And I&#8217;ve gotten a free door shelf for my refrigerator from the manufacturer when it broke right away.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like you hear the choice you made.  I&#8217;ve been looking at washers lately, and I haven&#8217;t found it obvious at all which one is best even though it sounds like we have similar priorities.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 14:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Six loads a week?

If you have a large washing machine, that seems like a *lot*.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Six loads a week?</p>
<p>If you have a large washing machine, that seems like a *lot*.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s one thing no one ever mentions -- the cost and inconvenience of moving the appliance if you relocate.

You can leave the four year old washer behind, and buy a new one at your destination.  With the expensive one, you take a big loss by either paying for the move or by selling it before you move.

Since a lot of people move often, and sometimes without much warning, this could be a factor more often than you would think.  Sadly, because otherwise I agree with your analysis completely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one thing no one ever mentions &#8212; the cost and inconvenience of moving the appliance if you relocate.</p>
<p>You can leave the four year old washer behind, and buy a new one at your destination.  With the expensive one, you take a big loss by either paying for the move or by selling it before you move.</p>
<p>Since a lot of people move often, and sometimes without much warning, this could be a factor more often than you would think.  Sadly, because otherwise I agree with your analysis completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Sense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 07:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow, do people really use their machines 6x a week??  i wash one load every week, week and a half...  

staying single/childless really pays off!  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, do people really use their machines 6x a week??  i wash one load every week, week and a half&#8230;  </p>
<p>staying single/childless really pays off!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: plonkee</title>
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		<dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 06:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm. I just buy the cheapest appliance that is A rated for energy efficiency and has the specific feature(s) that I want. For example my washing machine has a delay start so I can set it up before I go to work and the washing will be finished when I come home. I don&#039;t care about the other features that I use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. I just buy the cheapest appliance that is A rated for energy efficiency and has the specific feature(s) that I want. For example my washing machine has a delay start so I can set it up before I go to work and the washing will be finished when I come home. I don&#8217;t care about the other features that I use.</p>
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