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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I am the only crazy person here, but as strange as it sounds, I would leave the retirement money with the father, for the time being.  His being a control freak could actually be a plus in your favor, if you could stop to think of it that way.  Hang on to what ya got, kid.  At least he cares enough to be a control freak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I am the only crazy person here, but as strange as it sounds, I would leave the retirement money with the father, for the time being.  His being a control freak could actually be a plus in your favor, if you could stop to think of it that way.  Hang on to what ya got, kid.  At least he cares enough to be a control freak.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Bentz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Bentz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as if one of the biggest problems this woman has is defeatest thinking.  That is not to say that her situation isn&#039;t dire, difficult, depressing, demoralizing and overwhelming, but I would recommend that she watch &quot;Door to Door&quot; and other similarly inspiring movies, and otherwise actively seek out stories of people who have overcome enormous obstacles.

Maggie&#039;s life seems unmanageable, but the fact that she reached out says that she is still trying.  Above all, do not give up, Maggie.  One of the things people with diabilities sometimes do is give in to their illness more than they have to.  I have given in to mine at times, but I can assure you that the people I know who are most crippled by their depression, their physical illness of various kinds are those who spend too much time thinking about what they are missing and not enough about what they still have.

Finances included.  Seeking out things to be grateful for, rather than looking solely at all the difficulties may open up your mind to opportunities you would not otherwise see!  While you wrestle your IRA from your father, don&#039;t forget to thank him for taking care of that for you (even if it chokes you) some day you may be TRULY grateful.  

I wish you all the best as you look up and seek creative ways to cut your expenses, increase your income and pay down your debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as if one of the biggest problems this woman has is defeatest thinking.  That is not to say that her situation isn&#8217;t dire, difficult, depressing, demoralizing and overwhelming, but I would recommend that she watch &#8220;Door to Door&#8221; and other similarly inspiring movies, and otherwise actively seek out stories of people who have overcome enormous obstacles.</p>
<p>Maggie&#8217;s life seems unmanageable, but the fact that she reached out says that she is still trying.  Above all, do not give up, Maggie.  One of the things people with diabilities sometimes do is give in to their illness more than they have to.  I have given in to mine at times, but I can assure you that the people I know who are most crippled by their depression, their physical illness of various kinds are those who spend too much time thinking about what they are missing and not enough about what they still have.</p>
<p>Finances included.  Seeking out things to be grateful for, rather than looking solely at all the difficulties may open up your mind to opportunities you would not otherwise see!  While you wrestle your IRA from your father, don&#8217;t forget to thank him for taking care of that for you (even if it chokes you) some day you may be TRULY grateful.  </p>
<p>I wish you all the best as you look up and seek creative ways to cut your expenses, increase your income and pay down your debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 02:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy is right about bankruptcy law. The Bankruptcy Code is a federal statute, not state law. In some cases, bankruptcy law defers to state law to some extent--such as, as Lori alluded to, the homestead exemption. But simply moving to another state and then filing bankruptcy will not carry any advantage, unless maybe you think the judges in a particular district are friendlier to debtors than elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy is right about bankruptcy law. The Bankruptcy Code is a federal statute, not state law. In some cases, bankruptcy law defers to state law to some extent&#8211;such as, as Lori alluded to, the homestead exemption. But simply moving to another state and then filing bankruptcy will not carry any advantage, unless maybe you think the judges in a particular district are friendlier to debtors than elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie, I would not recommend bankruptcy, mainly because of your ms. The sad fact is, if you doesn&#039;t have adequate insurance your MS could lead to future, substantial medical costs (I know you&#039;re aware of that, but many people wihtout MS may not be thinking about that) I think you should save the bankrupty option in case those medical bills skyrocket. 

As someone who has MS, I know that depression is common among MSers. Stress exacerbates (spelling!!) MS significantly. It seems to me that your number-one goal should be to reduce stress and maintain health. Fortunately, getting in a better place financially will help you be less stressed.

You can also contact your local MS society; they might have some ideas or help available. Some MS meds are available at no cost to people who can&#039;t afford them. 


You are in a rough spot, but it will get better. Really!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie, I would not recommend bankruptcy, mainly because of your ms. The sad fact is, if you doesn&#8217;t have adequate insurance your MS could lead to future, substantial medical costs (I know you&#8217;re aware of that, but many people wihtout MS may not be thinking about that) I think you should save the bankrupty option in case those medical bills skyrocket. </p>
<p>As someone who has MS, I know that depression is common among MSers. Stress exacerbates (spelling!!) MS significantly. It seems to me that your number-one goal should be to reduce stress and maintain health. Fortunately, getting in a better place financially will help you be less stressed.</p>
<p>You can also contact your local MS society; they might have some ideas or help available. Some MS meds are available at no cost to people who can&#8217;t afford them. </p>
<p>You are in a rough spot, but it will get better. Really!</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Maggie,
I wonder how she feels being bombarded by all this advice.  Not just finance, but health wise as well.
I will say that I think that the cafeteria plan might be worth looking into, because even I who am healthy can get into a cycle of I&#039;m tired and don&#039;t feel good/don&#039;t want to cook decent food/don&#039;t eat decent food so I don&#039;t feel good.  For someone who has MS, that can be a serious issue.  
I do think however that we are seeing her as far more disabled than she is.  She has MS.  It means that she might have no problems for years and then be unable to hold a job for a while and then be fine.  
But fatigue is a factor so maybe for her, a second job might not be so great unless it is something like house-sitting where the work is passive.  Any professors on sabbatical?  but otherwise, I think she is right, a second job may be a short term shot in the arm with long-range serious ramifications which just wouldn&#039;t make it worth it. 
I think the &quot;take a serious look at the IRAs vs the credit cards&quot; has been done to death, and would be interested in seeing how that works out.  I can imagine though with a long term illness to be accounted for she may feel reluctant to wipe them out.  
So Maggie, any reactions to everyone who has offered so much advice?  And do we all remind you of your controlling father who wants to run your life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Maggie,<br />
I wonder how she feels being bombarded by all this advice.  Not just finance, but health wise as well.<br />
I will say that I think that the cafeteria plan might be worth looking into, because even I who am healthy can get into a cycle of I&#8217;m tired and don&#8217;t feel good/don&#8217;t want to cook decent food/don&#8217;t eat decent food so I don&#8217;t feel good.  For someone who has MS, that can be a serious issue.<br />
I do think however that we are seeing her as far more disabled than she is.  She has MS.  It means that she might have no problems for years and then be unable to hold a job for a while and then be fine.<br />
But fatigue is a factor so maybe for her, a second job might not be so great unless it is something like house-sitting where the work is passive.  Any professors on sabbatical?  but otherwise, I think she is right, a second job may be a short term shot in the arm with long-range serious ramifications which just wouldn&#8217;t make it worth it.<br />
I think the &#8220;take a serious look at the IRAs vs the credit cards&#8221; has been done to death, and would be interested in seeing how that works out.  I can imagine though with a long term illness to be accounted for she may feel reluctant to wipe them out.<br />
So Maggie, any reactions to everyone who has offered so much advice?  And do we all remind you of your controlling father who wants to run your life?</p>
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		<title>By: lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bankruptcy laws do indeed vary from state to state.  This is why so many high profile people flock to Florida when they file the Big B - Florida allows one to keep more assets than any other state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bankruptcy laws do indeed vary from state to state.  This is why so many high profile people flock to Florida when they file the Big B &#8211; Florida allows one to keep more assets than any other state.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jane

On the second job bit, I believe her! If she has MS, then no. There really isn&#039;t an appropriate second job (assuming of course that her current is a 9-5) 

I can&#039;t think of any second job I&#039;ve had that wouldn&#039;t kill her, literally. She has MS, she cannot afford to stand on her feet for 9 hours solid doing even menial labor. This cuts out retail and waitressing (food service period!), everything but really temp agencies. And as aformentioned, her job probably has her work 9-to-5. So before you just say, yes you CAN get a second job, why not say instead, oh, here&#039;s an industry that lets you sit down, that you might not have thought of? &#039;Cause I&#039;m with her and can&#039;t think of any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jane</p>
<p>On the second job bit, I believe her! If she has MS, then no. There really isn&#8217;t an appropriate second job (assuming of course that her current is a 9-5) </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of any second job I&#8217;ve had that wouldn&#8217;t kill her, literally. She has MS, she cannot afford to stand on her feet for 9 hours solid doing even menial labor. This cuts out retail and waitressing (food service period!), everything but really temp agencies. And as aformentioned, her job probably has her work 9-to-5. So before you just say, yes you CAN get a second job, why not say instead, oh, here&#8217;s an industry that lets you sit down, that you might not have thought of? &#8216;Cause I&#8217;m with her and can&#8217;t think of any.</p>
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		<title>By: shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bankruptcy is not necessary here, IMHO.  As someone above mentioned she has no seizable assets so she&#039;s at no risk from her creditors besides being hounded.  She can negotiate herself, with out credit counseling, a settlement on her credit card bills.  I would highly recommend she pick up Dave Ramsey&#039;s The Total Money Makeover and perhaps even give Dave a call on his radio show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bankruptcy is not necessary here, IMHO.  As someone above mentioned she has no seizable assets so she&#8217;s at no risk from her creditors besides being hounded.  She can negotiate herself, with out credit counseling, a settlement on her credit card bills.  I would highly recommend she pick up Dave Ramsey&#8217;s The Total Money Makeover and perhaps even give Dave a call on his radio show.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 02:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone with some debilitating health problems, I (1) Agree with Alexandra that the cell phone may be vital.  I don&#039;t have MS but I&#039;ve got other health problems, including clinical depression, and have needed my phone quickly. However, I wonder if a Pay-As-You-Go plan might work better for her?  Maybe her doctors&#039; offices use email when asked; that would save her a LOT of minutes.  (I&#039;m saying this as someone who doesn&#039;t use her employer&#039;s phone for personal calls.)  Many times, when I have something to say to my doctors, I&#039;ll FAX or write it, so that Whatever It Is has a permanent place in my chart - and I&#039;ve got a permanent record on my hard drive.  I fill my prescriptions online.  None of this is to save minutes, since I don&#039;t use my phone very often, anyway, but for the permanent record - and it WOULD save minutes if I needed it to.  (2) Agree with Amanda that Maggie shouldn&#039;t move back in with family.  Any pressure from that control freak dad may make things worse! (3) Agree with Sharon regarding the discounted Subway plan; if she&#039;s approved; her per-rate ride is half.  (I visit the City; I don&#039;t live there, so I don&#039;t know how much the monthly pas is.  I would guess that that is half as well?  My trips into New York are half, and rides via Amtrak are less than the senior rate) (4) Agree with Jane that Maggie needs to keep her job; not working may make her depression worse.  Her depression is already exacerbated by the MS - don&#039;t make it worse!!

My own thoughts:
I don&#039;t know if she CAN take public transportation.  (New York isn&#039;t exactly Handicapped friendly.)  If she cannot, she may NEED the car; if that&#039;s the case, she may be able to write off part of the expense?  She also may want to drive as long as she can, despite the expense, if it&#039;s one of her remaining shreds of her former life.
Is she itemizing her taxes?  Every medical expense is a write-off.  Prescriptions, COBRA, co-pays- write &#039;em off.  Does she need special shoes?  Get a prescription and write them off.  And so on.
At $1100/month, is it possible that she already HAS a room mate that isn&#039;t mentioned in her letter?  If she has a friend who is an accountant, she may be able to get help there.  I pay an accountant, and it&#039;s worth it; last year, I got back more than twenty times what I paid; I would have had to pay taxes if I hadn&#039;t itemized, and I have such a high percentage of expenses that I can&#039;t do the taxes myself.
Getting another job may be physically impossible for her; I don&#039;t know how severe her condition is.  If she&#039;s suffering from some of the more severe symptoms, including loss of cognitive function, she might not be able to get another job.  That said, she might be able to do some work in another department, since she&#039;s at a University, for extra money.  (Is she allowed to take typing or editing from students? When I worked at a University, I was NOT - but I developed a reputation and have been called to do editing for people from other universities.  I declare this income, but it&#039;s a nice cushion.)  She might also see if there are ongoing clinical trials that would make her more comfortable.

I&#039;d recommend someone else as executor of her money, if she can&#039;t do it herself.  She shouldn&#039;t be afraid to use her own money.  Paying off the high interest cards, now, or at least paying them down, will lower her depression considerably.

For her condition:  if it&#039;s OK with her doctor (and it should be), she should see what kind of pool or gym facilities are available to employees.    &quot;Those patients who participated in an aerobic exercise program had better cardiovascular fitness, improved strength, better bladder and bowel function, less fatigue and depression, a more positive attitude, and increased participation in social activities. ... Inactivity in people with or without MS can result in numerous risk factors associated with coronary heart disease. In addition, it can lead to weakness of muscles, decreased bone density with an increased risk of fracture, and shallow, inefficient breathing.&quot; - from a University of Utah study of MS, published in 1996.

I looked online for resources for people surviving and beating MS, in New York City.  She may be able to get some assistance and guidance from http://msaa.com - they have a help line if she needs to talk (under Programs and Services, then left sidebar - Offering Lifelines) and can go to http://msaa.com/regional.html to see what the New Jersey regional office can do for her, as far as services.

I hope that she can regain control of her own money and, then, her finances and her life.  She&#039;s overcome a huge obstacle by getting a great job in these trying times, and she&#039;s going to have to work harder than her peers when she&#039;s fighting with her body.  She is down now, but Maggie sounds like she&#039;s still got some fight left in her - and I wish her luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone with some debilitating health problems, I (1) Agree with Alexandra that the cell phone may be vital.  I don&#8217;t have MS but I&#8217;ve got other health problems, including clinical depression, and have needed my phone quickly. However, I wonder if a Pay-As-You-Go plan might work better for her?  Maybe her doctors&#8217; offices use email when asked; that would save her a LOT of minutes.  (I&#8217;m saying this as someone who doesn&#8217;t use her employer&#8217;s phone for personal calls.)  Many times, when I have something to say to my doctors, I&#8217;ll FAX or write it, so that Whatever It Is has a permanent place in my chart &#8211; and I&#8217;ve got a permanent record on my hard drive.  I fill my prescriptions online.  None of this is to save minutes, since I don&#8217;t use my phone very often, anyway, but for the permanent record &#8211; and it WOULD save minutes if I needed it to.  (2) Agree with Amanda that Maggie shouldn&#8217;t move back in with family.  Any pressure from that control freak dad may make things worse! (3) Agree with Sharon regarding the discounted Subway plan; if she&#8217;s approved; her per-rate ride is half.  (I visit the City; I don&#8217;t live there, so I don&#8217;t know how much the monthly pas is.  I would guess that that is half as well?  My trips into New York are half, and rides via Amtrak are less than the senior rate) (4) Agree with Jane that Maggie needs to keep her job; not working may make her depression worse.  Her depression is already exacerbated by the MS &#8211; don&#8217;t make it worse!!</p>
<p>My own thoughts:<br />
I don&#8217;t know if she CAN take public transportation.  (New York isn&#8217;t exactly Handicapped friendly.)  If she cannot, she may NEED the car; if that&#8217;s the case, she may be able to write off part of the expense?  She also may want to drive as long as she can, despite the expense, if it&#8217;s one of her remaining shreds of her former life.<br />
Is she itemizing her taxes?  Every medical expense is a write-off.  Prescriptions, COBRA, co-pays- write &#8216;em off.  Does she need special shoes?  Get a prescription and write them off.  And so on.<br />
At $1100/month, is it possible that she already HAS a room mate that isn&#8217;t mentioned in her letter?  If she has a friend who is an accountant, she may be able to get help there.  I pay an accountant, and it&#8217;s worth it; last year, I got back more than twenty times what I paid; I would have had to pay taxes if I hadn&#8217;t itemized, and I have such a high percentage of expenses that I can&#8217;t do the taxes myself.<br />
Getting another job may be physically impossible for her; I don&#8217;t know how severe her condition is.  If she&#8217;s suffering from some of the more severe symptoms, including loss of cognitive function, she might not be able to get another job.  That said, she might be able to do some work in another department, since she&#8217;s at a University, for extra money.  (Is she allowed to take typing or editing from students? When I worked at a University, I was NOT &#8211; but I developed a reputation and have been called to do editing for people from other universities.  I declare this income, but it&#8217;s a nice cushion.)  She might also see if there are ongoing clinical trials that would make her more comfortable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend someone else as executor of her money, if she can&#8217;t do it herself.  She shouldn&#8217;t be afraid to use her own money.  Paying off the high interest cards, now, or at least paying them down, will lower her depression considerably.</p>
<p>For her condition:  if it&#8217;s OK with her doctor (and it should be), she should see what kind of pool or gym facilities are available to employees.    &#8220;Those patients who participated in an aerobic exercise program had better cardiovascular fitness, improved strength, better bladder and bowel function, less fatigue and depression, a more positive attitude, and increased participation in social activities. &#8230; Inactivity in people with or without MS can result in numerous risk factors associated with coronary heart disease. In addition, it can lead to weakness of muscles, decreased bone density with an increased risk of fracture, and shallow, inefficient breathing.&#8221; &#8211; from a University of Utah study of MS, published in 1996.</p>
<p>I looked online for resources for people surviving and beating MS, in New York City.  She may be able to get some assistance and guidance from <a href="http://msaa.com" rel="nofollow">http://msaa.com</a> &#8211; they have a help line if she needs to talk (under Programs and Services, then left sidebar &#8211; Offering Lifelines) and can go to <a href="http://msaa.com/regional.html" rel="nofollow">http://msaa.com/regional.html</a> to see what the New Jersey regional office can do for her, as far as services.</p>
<p>I hope that she can regain control of her own money and, then, her finances and her life.  She&#8217;s overcome a huge obstacle by getting a great job in these trying times, and she&#8217;s going to have to work harder than her peers when she&#8217;s fighting with her body.  She is down now, but Maggie sounds like she&#8217;s still got some fight left in her &#8211; and I wish her luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie,

Simplicity is calming and helpful.  Find a friend or someone that you can trust to talk about all that you have goin on, a sounding board if you will.  This can be very important to keep you on track.

There is hope.

Follow your heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie,</p>
<p>Simplicity is calming and helpful.  Find a friend or someone that you can trust to talk about all that you have goin on, a sounding board if you will.  This can be very important to keep you on track.</p>
<p>There is hope.</p>
<p>Follow your heart.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moving out of the apartment is a good idea but $1100 seems cheap.  Could Maggie look at getting a cheaper place in Queens or Brooklyn while subletting for a year? I know of studios that go for $2000 in manhattan. 

Also, I don&#039;t think it would make sense to move to a cheaper part of the country. 60k is much less money in NYC compared to west Virginia. Salaries should be much higher in New York then In less expensive parts of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving out of the apartment is a good idea but $1100 seems cheap.  Could Maggie look at getting a cheaper place in Queens or Brooklyn while subletting for a year? I know of studios that go for $2000 in manhattan. </p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think it would make sense to move to a cheaper part of the country. 60k is much less money in NYC compared to west Virginia. Salaries should be much higher in New York then In less expensive parts of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie definitely needs a phone, but not a land line or an expensive cell phone plan. With TracFone you buy the cell phone (Kmart and similar places usually have basic phones on sale for $20 to $30) and then prepay a certain number of minutes, according to the configuration you choose. The phones are not the latest models with cameras and other bells &amp; whistles, but they do provide basic portable communication, which is all Maggie needs in her situation. Unused minutes roll over to the next time period and are not lost. You do have to remember to renew the minutes before the expiration date, but that date is shown on the display. Disclaimer: I have no connection with TracFone except that I own one and think it is a great bargain.

Off topic for this thread, but on topic for this subject: clueless Eleanor from the other post should be reading this thread and taking some of the advice to heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie definitely needs a phone, but not a land line or an expensive cell phone plan. With TracFone you buy the cell phone (Kmart and similar places usually have basic phones on sale for $20 to $30) and then prepay a certain number of minutes, according to the configuration you choose. The phones are not the latest models with cameras and other bells &amp; whistles, but they do provide basic portable communication, which is all Maggie needs in her situation. Unused minutes roll over to the next time period and are not lost. You do have to remember to renew the minutes before the expiration date, but that date is shown on the display. Disclaimer: I have no connection with TracFone except that I own one and think it is a great bargain.</p>
<p>Off topic for this thread, but on topic for this subject: clueless Eleanor from the other post should be reading this thread and taking some of the advice to heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Food can probably be dropped down too, but it takes a while to adjust to cooking at home and stocking the right groceries.&quot;

If her food costs are $200/month in New York, I assure you she&#039;s already cooking at home.  When I was dirt poor, I fed myself and my boyfriend for $300/month, but it was serious work to keep our diet healthful and varied, and find money for a bit of meat occasionally. (Except for chicken legs.  We ate a LOT of chicken legs.  Chicken breasts, however, were a rare indulgence.)

&quot;I think it’s pretty hilarious how recently people were furious that Trent suggested looking for cheaper housing in NYC and today everyone’s shocked that Maggie is throwing away $1100/mo on rent.&quot;

Trent seemed to think it wasn&#039;t difficult to find an apartment to share for $800 a month, people here are suggesting that she&#039;ll pay about that much herself.  That&#039;s a big difference.  I also don&#039;t think that anyone who is familiar with New York thinks that $1100 a month is a ridiculous or extravagant amount to pay for rent - it&#039;s well within the bounds of normal for a twentysomething professional, and she is going to have to make significant tradeoffs in terms of smaller space or fewer amenities in her neighborhood in order to find something cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Food can probably be dropped down too, but it takes a while to adjust to cooking at home and stocking the right groceries.&#8221;</p>
<p>If her food costs are $200/month in New York, I assure you she&#8217;s already cooking at home.  When I was dirt poor, I fed myself and my boyfriend for $300/month, but it was serious work to keep our diet healthful and varied, and find money for a bit of meat occasionally. (Except for chicken legs.  We ate a LOT of chicken legs.  Chicken breasts, however, were a rare indulgence.)</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it’s pretty hilarious how recently people were furious that Trent suggested looking for cheaper housing in NYC and today everyone’s shocked that Maggie is throwing away $1100/mo on rent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Trent seemed to think it wasn&#8217;t difficult to find an apartment to share for $800 a month, people here are suggesting that she&#8217;ll pay about that much herself.  That&#8217;s a big difference.  I also don&#8217;t think that anyone who is familiar with New York thinks that $1100 a month is a ridiculous or extravagant amount to pay for rent &#8211; it&#8217;s well within the bounds of normal for a twentysomething professional, and she is going to have to make significant tradeoffs in terms of smaller space or fewer amenities in her neighborhood in order to find something cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other point in favor of getting rid of the car and moving closer to her work: because of her MS, there is a strong likelihood that she will eventually be unable to drive. It would be easier and less stressful determine mass transit solutions now, while she&#039;s able, than after her disability forces her to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other point in favor of getting rid of the car and moving closer to her work: because of her MS, there is a strong likelihood that she will eventually be unable to drive. It would be easier and less stressful determine mass transit solutions now, while she&#8217;s able, than after her disability forces her to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am dubious about how serious this emailer is about really doing what it takes to get out of debt and to take control of her finances and act like and adult about them.  

First, she concludes that even if she gets a second job that it won&#039;t be enough to pay her debt payments.  That is ridiculously presumptuous and likely inaccurate, and it sounds like another excuse to avoid getting a second job.  Lots of second jobs pay  really good money -- you can easily make over $1000 a month extra by waitressing or cleaning houses or working tons of other jobs only on the weekends or a few nights a week.  And you can earn even more money by working overtime in some jobs, by using any of your current skills to do extra work as a consultant, etc.  It&#039;s absurd to conclude - before you even try - that there is not point to getting a second job.  Given your current income level, it could double or triple the amount you are able to put to debt payments each month. 

Second (and I know this will sound harsh to many), I have extensive professional experience with depression, and often the worst thing to do is to quit a job.  Some people have serious clinical depression and this is necessary.  For most people, quitting one&#039;s job only makes the situation worse because it takes away something productive to do all day with your time and it throws the rest of your life into a tailspin (eg, your finances).  And I have seen many, many people use  mild depression as an excuse to quit work and act financially irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am dubious about how serious this emailer is about really doing what it takes to get out of debt and to take control of her finances and act like and adult about them.  </p>
<p>First, she concludes that even if she gets a second job that it won&#8217;t be enough to pay her debt payments.  That is ridiculously presumptuous and likely inaccurate, and it sounds like another excuse to avoid getting a second job.  Lots of second jobs pay  really good money &#8212; you can easily make over $1000 a month extra by waitressing or cleaning houses or working tons of other jobs only on the weekends or a few nights a week.  And you can earn even more money by working overtime in some jobs, by using any of your current skills to do extra work as a consultant, etc.  It&#8217;s absurd to conclude &#8211; before you even try &#8211; that there is not point to getting a second job.  Given your current income level, it could double or triple the amount you are able to put to debt payments each month. </p>
<p>Second (and I know this will sound harsh to many), I have extensive professional experience with depression, and often the worst thing to do is to quit a job.  Some people have serious clinical depression and this is necessary.  For most people, quitting one&#8217;s job only makes the situation worse because it takes away something productive to do all day with your time and it throws the rest of your life into a tailspin (eg, your finances).  And I have seen many, many people use  mild depression as an excuse to quit work and act financially irresponsible.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a bad idea for her to give up her phone, but she ought to consider a pay as you go plan, or dropping to a lower cost plan.  

Getting rid of the car will save far more than the gas and tolls money, it will save in parking costs and regular car maintenance costs which weren&#039;t factored in and surely are considerable.  Not to mention whatever she makes from selling the car!

Food can probably be dropped down too, but it takes a while to adjust to cooking at home and stocking the right groceries.  It also takes a positive mindset to successfully cut food costs.  I&#039;m the kind of person who sees generic/store brands and thinks, &quot;awesome, I&#039;m getting the best price!&quot; instead of thinking &quot;How depressing, I can&#039;t afford name brand.&quot;  Silly.  It&#039;s food.  I can&#039;t afford to get ripped off, is what I can&#039;t afford.  It&#039;s very easy for cutting food costs to be overwhelming and depressing because it&#039;s something you have to consider several times a day.  Work on this gradually so you don&#039;t overwhelm yourself.

I think the roommate suggestion is great, but I think it&#039;s pretty hilarious how recently people were furious that Trent suggested looking for cheaper housing in NYC and today everyone&#039;s shocked that Maggie is throwing away $1100/mo on rent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a bad idea for her to give up her phone, but she ought to consider a pay as you go plan, or dropping to a lower cost plan.  </p>
<p>Getting rid of the car will save far more than the gas and tolls money, it will save in parking costs and regular car maintenance costs which weren&#8217;t factored in and surely are considerable.  Not to mention whatever she makes from selling the car!</p>
<p>Food can probably be dropped down too, but it takes a while to adjust to cooking at home and stocking the right groceries.  It also takes a positive mindset to successfully cut food costs.  I&#8217;m the kind of person who sees generic/store brands and thinks, &#8220;awesome, I&#8217;m getting the best price!&#8221; instead of thinking &#8220;How depressing, I can&#8217;t afford name brand.&#8221;  Silly.  It&#8217;s food.  I can&#8217;t afford to get ripped off, is what I can&#8217;t afford.  It&#8217;s very easy for cutting food costs to be overwhelming and depressing because it&#8217;s something you have to consider several times a day.  Work on this gradually so you don&#8217;t overwhelm yourself.</p>
<p>I think the roommate suggestion is great, but I think it&#8217;s pretty hilarious how recently people were furious that Trent suggested looking for cheaper housing in NYC and today everyone&#8217;s shocked that Maggie is throwing away $1100/mo on rent.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to jump on the move-out-of-your-apartment bandwagon.  I live in New York and know very few people who are paying over $1000 a month in rent.  It will certainly mean getting a roommate (although if you&#039;re paying $1100, you probably already have one) and might mean moving out of Manhattan, but it will be worth it if it means that you save $300 or more each month.

And get rid of the car.

You&#039;re easily looking at $600/month subtracted from your expenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to jump on the move-out-of-your-apartment bandwagon.  I live in New York and know very few people who are paying over $1000 a month in rent.  It will certainly mean getting a roommate (although if you&#8217;re paying $1100, you probably already have one) and might mean moving out of Manhattan, but it will be worth it if it means that you save $300 or more each month.</p>
<p>And get rid of the car.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re easily looking at $600/month subtracted from your expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick in Iraq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick in Iraq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would definitely make it a priority to get your money under YOUR control, not your father&#039;s or anyone else&#039;s. With so much debt, you are really going to have to work at it. It&#039;s tough, but it&#039;s not impossible. Best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would definitely make it a priority to get your money under YOUR control, not your father&#8217;s or anyone else&#8217;s. With so much debt, you are really going to have to work at it. It&#8217;s tough, but it&#8217;s not impossible. Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you are truly so far in debt that your IRA funds wouldn’t save you, you should likely consider bankruptcy, because credit counseling is likely not going to save you either.&quot;

Not true.  If you&#039;re really considering bankruptcy, your creditors are going to suddenly get much more willing to work with you.  They&#039;d much rather be paid back slowly, or paid back partially, than not be paid at all.  A good credit counseling service can help you develop a payment plan that will get you back on your feet.  Often there will be penalties - you&#039;ll usually be paying the debt back over a longer period of time - but this is definitely something worth looking into.

As a general rule, look for a non-profit rather than a for-profit counseling service.  Your HR department may have recommendations, but check them out with the Better Business Bureau.

&quot;Know how bankruptcy works in your state.&quot;

Actually, bankruptcy laws are subject to federal jurisdiction, which means they&#039;re the same in every state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you are truly so far in debt that your IRA funds wouldn’t save you, you should likely consider bankruptcy, because credit counseling is likely not going to save you either.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true.  If you&#8217;re really considering bankruptcy, your creditors are going to suddenly get much more willing to work with you.  They&#8217;d much rather be paid back slowly, or paid back partially, than not be paid at all.  A good credit counseling service can help you develop a payment plan that will get you back on your feet.  Often there will be penalties &#8211; you&#8217;ll usually be paying the debt back over a longer period of time &#8211; but this is definitely something worth looking into.</p>
<p>As a general rule, look for a non-profit rather than a for-profit counseling service.  Your HR department may have recommendations, but check them out with the Better Business Bureau.</p>
<p>&#8220;Know how bankruptcy works in your state.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, bankruptcy laws are subject to federal jurisdiction, which means they&#8217;re the same in every state.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in NJ across from NYC and I don&#039;t think her expenses are that outrageous.  Yes, the rent can be reduced by looking at roommates or a studio.  And the gas/tolls can be reduced by using the subway.  She might also look and see if she qualifies for a &quot;disabled&quot; rate for the subway.  
I thnk she should go to Columbia University and see if they have a listing for student housing...places that are cheap and close to the university. 
Maybe she can use the graces of her parents/family for storage of some of her things while she gets her housing/debts together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in NJ across from NYC and I don&#8217;t think her expenses are that outrageous.  Yes, the rent can be reduced by looking at roommates or a studio.  And the gas/tolls can be reduced by using the subway.  She might also look and see if she qualifies for a &#8220;disabled&#8221; rate for the subway.<br />
I thnk she should go to Columbia University and see if they have a listing for student housing&#8230;places that are cheap and close to the university.<br />
Maybe she can use the graces of her parents/family for storage of some of her things while she gets her housing/debts together.</p>
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