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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-774055</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares about the economy, take care of yourself! The &quot;economy&quot; doesn&#039;t care about you.

Or, do the thing of encouraging others to spend, but saving yourself. When others spend on your goods it is good for you. This is basically what all advertising encourages--it encourages people to spend what they have on a company&#039;s products, for the good of the company--and if the customers benefit or not is not necessarily part of the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about the economy, take care of yourself! The &#8220;economy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t care about you.</p>
<p>Or, do the thing of encouraging others to spend, but saving yourself. When others spend on your goods it is good for you. This is basically what all advertising encourages&#8211;it encourages people to spend what they have on a company&#8217;s products, for the good of the company&#8211;and if the customers benefit or not is not necessarily part of the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you don&#039;t get is if there is no spending companies do not hire and shut the doors! This so called problem is false! Wake up people! Casino&#039;s a packed on week days during the day so is Walmart and every resterant I have seen! What is hurting us is small businesses as well as large ones are shutting the doors out of fear! No advertising! No advertising and the business fails! The fear part is posed on us by the government to gain more government control! The American people have been brain washed. Yes I know companies and banks have screwed themselves and us by doing things they should not but the main problem is no JOBS...no spending or cut back spending...NO ADVERTISING!......Here is case in point: Our Desoto County news paper have laid off ALL the classified dept and I was told &quot;People aren&#039;t advertising anymore. so out of the whole newspaper 1/4th of a page is our classified section. People have bought into the fear and now look at us. We can recover but we have to wake up first. Companies need to hire, advertise and we need to go back to work, save yes....spend yes...do all of the things we use to do. Support small businesses even more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you don&#8217;t get is if there is no spending companies do not hire and shut the doors! This so called problem is false! Wake up people! Casino&#8217;s a packed on week days during the day so is Walmart and every resterant I have seen! What is hurting us is small businesses as well as large ones are shutting the doors out of fear! No advertising! No advertising and the business fails! The fear part is posed on us by the government to gain more government control! The American people have been brain washed. Yes I know companies and banks have screwed themselves and us by doing things they should not but the main problem is no JOBS&#8230;no spending or cut back spending&#8230;NO ADVERTISING!&#8230;&#8230;Here is case in point: Our Desoto County news paper have laid off ALL the classified dept and I was told &#8220;People aren&#8217;t advertising anymore. so out of the whole newspaper 1/4th of a page is our classified section. People have bought into the fear and now look at us. We can recover but we have to wake up first. Companies need to hire, advertise and we need to go back to work, save yes&#8230;.spend yes&#8230;do all of the things we use to do. Support small businesses even more!</p>
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		<title>By: jreply</title>
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		<dc:creator>jreply</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many countries with very high savings rates are growing very fast.  That&#039;s because saving gives us more to invest in capital goods - factories, machines, etc. In China, the savings rate is estimated to be over 40%. According to those people who believe in the paradox of thrift, China should be stagnating.  Saving is at least an economic virtue, not an economic vice.


    The 1920&#039;s bubble and the Japanese bubble were artificial booms caused by central banks printing too much money.  People were savings but nowhere near enough to support these giant investment booms. Savings don&#039;t cause bubbles, printing presses do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many countries with very high savings rates are growing very fast.  That&#8217;s because saving gives us more to invest in capital goods &#8211; factories, machines, etc. In China, the savings rate is estimated to be over 40%. According to those people who believe in the paradox of thrift, China should be stagnating.  Saving is at least an economic virtue, not an economic vice.</p>
<p>    The 1920&#8242;s bubble and the Japanese bubble were artificial booms caused by central banks printing too much money.  People were savings but nowhere near enough to support these giant investment booms. Savings don&#8217;t cause bubbles, printing presses do.</p>
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		<title>By: jreply</title>
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		<dc:creator>jreply</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is silly to say that an employer needs to pay his workers enough to buy the product. That would mean toothpick factories would pay their workers enough to buy toothpicks, apple farms would pay their help enough to buy apples, and shipyards would pay their workers enough to buy ships. Lexus would pay employees enough to buy Lexus cars while Ford would pay employees doing the same work just enough to buy Escorts. This is not how it works.

Employers pay their workers their estimated marginal product - the extra value their labor
adds to the product given the capital (machinery, etc.) the workplace uses.

  Henry Ford did NOT use the reasoning that SBT (and many others) suggest. That wouldn&#039;t make any sense because his workers aren&#039;t buying a new car every year and they were only a small portion of his market.  If he wanted to entice them to buy Fords, it would be cheaper for him to give them a discount - which is what car companies do - NOT pay them the price of the car. 


   Please investigate economics and the topics of marginal cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is silly to say that an employer needs to pay his workers enough to buy the product. That would mean toothpick factories would pay their workers enough to buy toothpicks, apple farms would pay their help enough to buy apples, and shipyards would pay their workers enough to buy ships. Lexus would pay employees enough to buy Lexus cars while Ford would pay employees doing the same work just enough to buy Escorts. This is not how it works.</p>
<p>Employers pay their workers their estimated marginal product &#8211; the extra value their labor<br />
adds to the product given the capital (machinery, etc.) the workplace uses.</p>
<p>  Henry Ford did NOT use the reasoning that SBT (and many others) suggest. That wouldn&#8217;t make any sense because his workers aren&#8217;t buying a new car every year and they were only a small portion of his market.  If he wanted to entice them to buy Fords, it would be cheaper for him to give them a discount &#8211; which is what car companies do &#8211; NOT pay them the price of the car. </p>
<p>   Please investigate economics and the topics of marginal cost.</p>
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		<title>By: clayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with SBT who wrote on September 6th, 2008 (comment #33) and also many others who have written here.

I think the problem rests with a combination of two major points.

1) The USA is a country of waste and instant gratification.  We want things because others have them or because they look, as my girlfriend says, &quot;pretty&quot;.  Whatever pumps the happy chemicals into our brains, we want in the USA.  However, that is the real problem.  Instead of investing in technology and items that make life WORK at the most efficient level, we&#039;re running around spending money on the flavor of the week items because our neighbor has what we don&#039;t.

We love our independence in the USA but we&#039;re all so dependent on the wants and desires of others it&#039;s pathetic.

2)Corporate greed.  Henry Ford had a revolutionary idea when he realized that paying workers enough to buy the product they create is how it really ought to be.  The skills required to make something should be of equal value to the product that is created, not less.  Simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with SBT who wrote on September 6th, 2008 (comment #33) and also many others who have written here.</p>
<p>I think the problem rests with a combination of two major points.</p>
<p>1) The USA is a country of waste and instant gratification.  We want things because others have them or because they look, as my girlfriend says, &#8220;pretty&#8221;.  Whatever pumps the happy chemicals into our brains, we want in the USA.  However, that is the real problem.  Instead of investing in technology and items that make life WORK at the most efficient level, we&#8217;re running around spending money on the flavor of the week items because our neighbor has what we don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>We love our independence in the USA but we&#8217;re all so dependent on the wants and desires of others it&#8217;s pathetic.</p>
<p>2)Corporate greed.  Henry Ford had a revolutionary idea when he realized that paying workers enough to buy the product they create is how it really ought to be.  The skills required to make something should be of equal value to the product that is created, not less.  Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: SBT</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-369611</link>
		<dc:creator>SBT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz,

It seems to me that the &quot;scarcity mentality&quot; is caused by problems of real scarcity. When companies pay their chief executives 400 times what their average worker makes, and real wages, adjusted for inflation, are stagnant to falling, people naturally are experiencing actual scarcity. The generation coming into the workforce today is perhaps the first generation since the Great Depression where children are likely to be in a worse economic position overall than their parents were. 

Henry Ford figured out a long time ago that if he wanted to mass produce and sell lots of cars, he needed to pay his workers enough to be able to afford cars. He substantially raised his workers&#039; wages. If corporate America were really concerned about selling more product, and sustaining the world economy,they would be raising wages worldwide, rather than enriching themselves at the expense of their workers. They do depend on the masses to buy their products. It should not be the government&#039;s job to throw a little money at people to stimulate the economy. It should be evident that people will not buy what they can&#039;t afford for long before they go broke. And broke people can&#039;t buy much. When will they realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot by hurting their workers. Mink coats don&#039;t trickle down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz,</p>
<p>It seems to me that the &#8220;scarcity mentality&#8221; is caused by problems of real scarcity. When companies pay their chief executives 400 times what their average worker makes, and real wages, adjusted for inflation, are stagnant to falling, people naturally are experiencing actual scarcity. The generation coming into the workforce today is perhaps the first generation since the Great Depression where children are likely to be in a worse economic position overall than their parents were. </p>
<p>Henry Ford figured out a long time ago that if he wanted to mass produce and sell lots of cars, he needed to pay his workers enough to be able to afford cars. He substantially raised his workers&#8217; wages. If corporate America were really concerned about selling more product, and sustaining the world economy,they would be raising wages worldwide, rather than enriching themselves at the expense of their workers. They do depend on the masses to buy their products. It should not be the government&#8217;s job to throw a little money at people to stimulate the economy. It should be evident that people will not buy what they can&#8217;t afford for long before they go broke. And broke people can&#8217;t buy much. When will they realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot by hurting their workers. Mink coats don&#8217;t trickle down.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have really bad money issues. one day i will get money for something i did and the next day i will have spent it on something stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have really bad money issues. one day i will get money for something i did and the next day i will have spent it on something stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-71583</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent is wrong, as the scarcity mentality of the general public has already pushed the US economy into recession, the share market cannot produce satisfying return until recession ends and people start spending money again. Money is meant to be spent, not meant to be kept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent is wrong, as the scarcity mentality of the general public has already pushed the US economy into recession, the share market cannot produce satisfying return until recession ends and people start spending money again. Money is meant to be spent, not meant to be kept.</p>
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		<title>By: wizofaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizofaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent is right - up to a point.  That is, it&#039;s clear that without any consumer spending, we would have no economy to speak of.  But in general, producing useless gadgets or entertainment devices is not creating wealth, hence not contributing to the economy in any meaningful way.  Money kept in a bank account, sensibly invested in the stockmarket, or used to fund your own wealth creation projects will always, in the long run, be more beneficial to the economy than money spent on consumer items that don&#039;t improve your wealth-creation abilities.
Indeed, most people that do become very wealthy do it by a certain amount of scrimping and saving...essentially by deferring rewards.  Once you are that wealthy, then you can afford to spend money on quality goods that are well made, will last longer, and bring far more satisfaction than cheap mass-produced items.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent is right &#8211; up to a point.  That is, it&#8217;s clear that without any consumer spending, we would have no economy to speak of.  But in general, producing useless gadgets or entertainment devices is not creating wealth, hence not contributing to the economy in any meaningful way.  Money kept in a bank account, sensibly invested in the stockmarket, or used to fund your own wealth creation projects will always, in the long run, be more beneficial to the economy than money spent on consumer items that don&#8217;t improve your wealth-creation abilities.<br />
Indeed, most people that do become very wealthy do it by a certain amount of scrimping and saving&#8230;essentially by deferring rewards.  Once you are that wealthy, then you can afford to spend money on quality goods that are well made, will last longer, and bring far more satisfaction than cheap mass-produced items.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-68594</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Tim, and I believe that Trent&#039;s analysis is completely wrong.  What a pity that so many people here think that Trent makes sense. Not spending money would inevitably contract the economy and cause depression, when everyone becomes worse off.  When goods and services are not consumed, business cease to produce profit and can no long afford to employ as many people. Also as demand decreases, each product has to absorb more costs, therefore driving up price.  Consumers then will be worse off, as on one hand that they will face the bleak prospect of being redundancy, and on the other hand put up with the more expensive living costs. Also as investors, when businesses go burst, share prices go down, and investors lose out.  So consumers, do not feel bad to spend money, everyone needs money to survive in this world. Do however exercise control when spending, be the master of money,but not its slave. Money is meant to bring us enjoyment of life, otherwise we may as well regress back to the stone age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tim, and I believe that Trent&#8217;s analysis is completely wrong.  What a pity that so many people here think that Trent makes sense. Not spending money would inevitably contract the economy and cause depression, when everyone becomes worse off.  When goods and services are not consumed, business cease to produce profit and can no long afford to employ as many people. Also as demand decreases, each product has to absorb more costs, therefore driving up price.  Consumers then will be worse off, as on one hand that they will face the bleak prospect of being redundancy, and on the other hand put up with the more expensive living costs. Also as investors, when businesses go burst, share prices go down, and investors lose out.  So consumers, do not feel bad to spend money, everyone needs money to survive in this world. Do however exercise control when spending, be the master of money,but not its slave. Money is meant to bring us enjoyment of life, otherwise we may as well regress back to the stone age.</p>
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		<title>By: Adwoa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adwoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed no one mentioned the necessity of bottom, middle and top in a capitalist economy. Much of the &quot;income&quot; of those at the top is generated by their investments, not active employment. In order for them to literally live off of funds from investments, it is necessary for others to work at companies for them to invest in and deposit institutions to hold their funds and lend to other employees/consumers and companies. Yes, those without enough reserves to invest and live off of investment income are obligated to work for their income. They can only work for employers making enough profit to pay them. Employers can only make enough profit to pay it&#039;s employees/consumers if those same employees/consumers and other employees/consumers and companies purchase its goods and services. Part of the probelm of our current economic bursting bubble is that as employees&#039;/consumers&#039; real incomes continue to decline they actually have less to spend in this house of cards we call a market economy. If they can only afford to purchase the basics, there is necessarily less money flowing in the economy thereby doing weird things with the whole supply and demand theory. 

Folks, this is an extremely complex, artificial and self-propelled mechanism we humans have developed that we call &quot;market economy.&quot; I for one, have difficulty seeing its sustainability as natural resources are used up.  Necessity driving invention has given way to invention driving necessity, which is otherwise termed &quot;want.&quot; Want is a flawed base upon which to build an economy because human want is never ending. It is a system that goes on and on and on creating its on slaves and slave masters. As long as humans can think, dream and desire (WANT), products will be created. Can anyone help me visualize a fix for what is an apparent problem to me. I too am on this merry-go-round spinning so fast I can&#039;t jump off, lest I destroy myself. Market economy is the new feudalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed no one mentioned the necessity of bottom, middle and top in a capitalist economy. Much of the &#8220;income&#8221; of those at the top is generated by their investments, not active employment. In order for them to literally live off of funds from investments, it is necessary for others to work at companies for them to invest in and deposit institutions to hold their funds and lend to other employees/consumers and companies. Yes, those without enough reserves to invest and live off of investment income are obligated to work for their income. They can only work for employers making enough profit to pay them. Employers can only make enough profit to pay it&#8217;s employees/consumers if those same employees/consumers and other employees/consumers and companies purchase its goods and services. Part of the probelm of our current economic bursting bubble is that as employees&#8217;/consumers&#8217; real incomes continue to decline they actually have less to spend in this house of cards we call a market economy. If they can only afford to purchase the basics, there is necessarily less money flowing in the economy thereby doing weird things with the whole supply and demand theory. </p>
<p>Folks, this is an extremely complex, artificial and self-propelled mechanism we humans have developed that we call &#8220;market economy.&#8221; I for one, have difficulty seeing its sustainability as natural resources are used up.  Necessity driving invention has given way to invention driving necessity, which is otherwise termed &#8220;want.&#8221; Want is a flawed base upon which to build an economy because human want is never ending. It is a system that goes on and on and on creating its on slaves and slave masters. As long as humans can think, dream and desire (WANT), products will be created. Can anyone help me visualize a fix for what is an apparent problem to me. I too am on this merry-go-round spinning so fast I can&#8217;t jump off, lest I destroy myself. Market economy is the new feudalism.</p>
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		<title>By: BKD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BKD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I don&#039;t think was mentioned, is that even if we spend our money to fuel &quot;our economy&quot;, where is this money ultimately going?  To some other country where tons of cheap stuff is made?  Or to something made in the U.S. to support U.S. workers and U.S. resources...?  It&#039;s something else to consider when we spend, and let&#039;s face it, we all have to spend a certain amount of money to buy the things we need (unless we are living a la &quot;Walden&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I don&#8217;t think was mentioned, is that even if we spend our money to fuel &#8220;our economy&#8221;, where is this money ultimately going?  To some other country where tons of cheap stuff is made?  Or to something made in the U.S. to support U.S. workers and U.S. resources&#8230;?  It&#8217;s something else to consider when we spend, and let&#8217;s face it, we all have to spend a certain amount of money to buy the things we need (unless we are living a la &#8220;Walden&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Otis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economy is like the water in a river.  It flows from one reservoir to the next in a predictable pattern.  The difference is how we make our dams.  Do we simply say, &quot;Hey, I love this flowing water! Why build a dam?&quot; Then during drought die of thirst because we held nothing back.  Or do we hold back all the water that comes into our reservoir letting nothing leave.  That makes our own water stagnant and bad and leaves nothing for those downstream of our reservoir.  

The truth is that we all have to find some sort of balance.  Hold back some water so that we can avoid a drought.  Build up our dams (with knowledge) so that we can handle when rain does come.  But still let some water flow because it&#039;s good for everybody and prevents stagnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economy is like the water in a river.  It flows from one reservoir to the next in a predictable pattern.  The difference is how we make our dams.  Do we simply say, &#8220;Hey, I love this flowing water! Why build a dam?&#8221; Then during drought die of thirst because we held nothing back.  Or do we hold back all the water that comes into our reservoir letting nothing leave.  That makes our own water stagnant and bad and leaves nothing for those downstream of our reservoir.  </p>
<p>The truth is that we all have to find some sort of balance.  Hold back some water so that we can avoid a drought.  Build up our dams (with knowledge) so that we can handle when rain does come.  But still let some water flow because it&#8217;s good for everybody and prevents stagnation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramblist</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-56584</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramblist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post reminds me of Keynes&#039; paradox of thrift, which surmises that something which is seemingly good for the individual, ie. saving, is not good for the economy at large.  Unfortunately, in the current economic system, it is quite right to assume that spending is the best thing for everybody.  The problem is that the money is being spent on crap that nobody needs.
Look after yourself people, you can&#039;t change what everybody else does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post reminds me of Keynes&#8217; paradox of thrift, which surmises that something which is seemingly good for the individual, ie. saving, is not good for the economy at large.  Unfortunately, in the current economic system, it is quite right to assume that spending is the best thing for everybody.  The problem is that the money is being spent on crap that nobody needs.<br />
Look after yourself people, you can&#8217;t change what everybody else does.</p>
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		<title>By: m360</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-56511</link>
		<dc:creator>m360</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those poor retail businesses. We aren&#039;t putting money in their pockets as much. It&#039;s not the economy frugal people are hurting, it&#039;s the businesses that over charge for products we don&#039;t need anyway. Do you really think someone who is making his own laundry soap is hurting the Tide Corp? There are many parts that make up the economy and as many opinions about what makes the economy turn and there are people. There are even some who argue that *war* fuels the economy. I can think of who benefits from it, but surely the economy where I live is the worst I&#039;ve seen in a long time. I think there are some ignorant people out there looking to blame others for a crappy economy. In reality, the frugal people are only a very small percentage and there are some big spenders who make up for my frugal practices and everyone elses. I know I refuse to be held accountable for a bad economy and I wouldn&#039;t even make a difference living on less than $900 a month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those poor retail businesses. We aren&#8217;t putting money in their pockets as much. It&#8217;s not the economy frugal people are hurting, it&#8217;s the businesses that over charge for products we don&#8217;t need anyway. Do you really think someone who is making his own laundry soap is hurting the Tide Corp? There are many parts that make up the economy and as many opinions about what makes the economy turn and there are people. There are even some who argue that *war* fuels the economy. I can think of who benefits from it, but surely the economy where I live is the worst I&#8217;ve seen in a long time. I think there are some ignorant people out there looking to blame others for a crappy economy. In reality, the frugal people are only a very small percentage and there are some big spenders who make up for my frugal practices and everyone elses. I know I refuse to be held accountable for a bad economy and I wouldn&#8217;t even make a difference living on less than $900 a month.</p>
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		<title>By: js</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-56468</link>
		<dc:creator>js</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why should we care about the economy, if in the long run we&#039;re all poorer (individually yes, but also collectively) because of our spending?  If we used up all our natural resources making cheap junk that noone really wanted much anyway?  And we did this because it was the only way we could find to employee 2 spouses from every family, working 40+ hour weeks each.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why should we care about the economy, if in the long run we&#8217;re all poorer (individually yes, but also collectively) because of our spending?  If we used up all our natural resources making cheap junk that noone really wanted much anyway?  And we did this because it was the only way we could find to employee 2 spouses from every family, working 40+ hour weeks each.</p>
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		<title>By: KCLau</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-56461</link>
		<dc:creator>KCLau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economy is the system of production and distribution and consumption. Imagine if everyone just want to save the money without spending it. The bank will have too much money and nobody wants to borrow the monies because there&#039;s no business when nobody is spending. 

The banks would have to stop taking in more deposit because it will put them out of business. 

But in the real world. This is not going to happen. No matter how hard we try to urge people to save money, there will be still merely 10% of the population do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economy is the system of production and distribution and consumption. Imagine if everyone just want to save the money without spending it. The bank will have too much money and nobody wants to borrow the monies because there&#8217;s no business when nobody is spending. </p>
<p>The banks would have to stop taking in more deposit because it will put them out of business. </p>
<p>But in the real world. This is not going to happen. No matter how hard we try to urge people to save money, there will be still merely 10% of the population do that.</p>
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		<title>By: brent</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-56396</link>
		<dc:creator>brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;people no buy, companies no income, companies no hire workers, people no have income&quot;

This is completely wrong.

It goes &#039;people no buy, companies no income, company realise they selling wrong bluddy product, develop product that people DO buy, company gets income, company hires workers, yada yada yada.&quot;

Consumer = sucker.

There&#039;s no rule that you HAVE to buy something just because it&#039;s for sale. It&#039;s not MY fault that someone has entered the market place with ANY product, or group of products, which it isn&#039;t in my best interests to buy.

Need does not make a claim.

Your need to sell your product entails no claim on my wallet.

Frugal people still buy stuff, they just buy frugal things not flashy, wasteful things. Honestly, I think that the global economy could do with more trade in frugal, efficient, USEFUL things than flashy, useless trash that does nothing but look good and die young.

Haven&#039;t you got the message yet? This ISN&#039;T GOING TO LAST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;people no buy, companies no income, companies no hire workers, people no have income&#8221;</p>
<p>This is completely wrong.</p>
<p>It goes &#8216;people no buy, companies no income, company realise they selling wrong bluddy product, develop product that people DO buy, company gets income, company hires workers, yada yada yada.&#8221;</p>
<p>Consumer = sucker.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no rule that you HAVE to buy something just because it&#8217;s for sale. It&#8217;s not MY fault that someone has entered the market place with ANY product, or group of products, which it isn&#8217;t in my best interests to buy.</p>
<p>Need does not make a claim.</p>
<p>Your need to sell your product entails no claim on my wallet.</p>
<p>Frugal people still buy stuff, they just buy frugal things not flashy, wasteful things. Honestly, I think that the global economy could do with more trade in frugal, efficient, USEFUL things than flashy, useless trash that does nothing but look good and die young.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t you got the message yet? This ISN&#8217;T GOING TO LAST.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-56249</link>
		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Laszlo. 
My life, my money, my choices. I have nothing to apologize for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Laszlo.<br />
My life, my money, my choices. I have nothing to apologize for.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/11/is-not-spending-money-bad-for-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-56226</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great in theory but you left out a few big things.

1. The central banks around the world have recently injected 200 billion + money into the banking system.  See - you&#039;re savings is irrelevant to the grand scheme of things.

2. Speaking of central banks, when you can print and create an infinite amount of &quot;money&quot; with printing presses or digital entries in a computer, the whole relevancy of your savings is muted.

Spending is what drives the economy, keeping money in savings doesn&#039;t really do much for anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great in theory but you left out a few big things.</p>
<p>1. The central banks around the world have recently injected 200 billion + money into the banking system.  See &#8211; you&#8217;re savings is irrelevant to the grand scheme of things.</p>
<p>2. Speaking of central banks, when you can print and create an infinite amount of &#8220;money&#8221; with printing presses or digital entries in a computer, the whole relevancy of your savings is muted.</p>
<p>Spending is what drives the economy, keeping money in savings doesn&#8217;t really do much for anyone.</p>
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