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	<title>Comments on: When Should You Trade In Your Car?  Don&#8217;t Listen To What Others Say &#8211; Run The Numbers Yourself</title>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/03/when-should-you-trade-in-your-car-dont-listen-to-what-others-say-run-the-numbers-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-701136</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are other factors that are not adequately discussed in this article.  What about the cost of vehicles today, versus waiting 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years.  Your depreciation may be less, but how will the overall value compare to the potential new car&#039;s value.  And where does the fuel economy, insurance factors, etc., come into play?  

And we must remember that extenuating circumstances that may not have a dollar value (need for more room/space, or less room/space, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are other factors that are not adequately discussed in this article.  What about the cost of vehicles today, versus waiting 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years.  Your depreciation may be less, but how will the overall value compare to the potential new car&#8217;s value.  And where does the fuel economy, insurance factors, etc., come into play?  </p>
<p>And we must remember that extenuating circumstances that may not have a dollar value (need for more room/space, or less room/space, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Reg Bel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reg Bel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check the condition of the exhaust pipe where it exits the vehicle and you will get a quick indication of the health of your vehicle&#039;s motor.
I have a web page on some things to look for, when buying a used vehicle, there is also more information on the exhaust pipe check.
http://www3.telus.net/findNchoose/secondhandvehicles.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check the condition of the exhaust pipe where it exits the vehicle and you will get a quick indication of the health of your vehicle&#8217;s motor.<br />
I have a web page on some things to look for, when buying a used vehicle, there is also more information on the exhaust pipe check.<br />
<a href="http://www3.telus.net/findNchoose/secondhandvehicles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www3.telus.net/findNchoose/secondhandvehicles.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: E.T.Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.T.Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace of mine, not piece of mind obviously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace of mine, not piece of mind obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: E.T.Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/03/when-should-you-trade-in-your-car-dont-listen-to-what-others-say-run-the-numbers-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-67070</link>
		<dc:creator>E.T.Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I just say piece of mind...twice?  Goodness.

Peace of mind...obviously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I just say piece of mind&#8230;twice?  Goodness.</p>
<p>Peace of mind&#8230;obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this post, but as a non-mechanic I like to buy a new car.  I take very well car of my cars to maximize their longevity.  I worry that if I were to buy a used car, it&#039;d be one that wasn&#039;t maintained well and I&#039;d be the one paying for the deferred maintenance.  I&#039;ve only bought 4 cars (1 used) in my 43 years and I still own two of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this post, but as a non-mechanic I like to buy a new car.  I take very well car of my cars to maximize their longevity.  I worry that if I were to buy a used car, it&#8217;d be one that wasn&#8217;t maintained well and I&#8217;d be the one paying for the deferred maintenance.  I&#8217;ve only bought 4 cars (1 used) in my 43 years and I still own two of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, a used Honda sells for more than a used car of most other brands because it has a longer expected lifetime and/or lower repair costs due to it being more reliable.  People are paying more because it is a better car.  The fact that it has a higher resale value is a byproduct of this fact.

As for the reader who asked about trading in the SUV, the husband is right about one thing: the longer they drive an SUV, the worse off we all are.  Not only do SUVs waste a lot more gas than the average car, but they are less safe as well.  Here&#039;s a great article by Malcolm Gladwell that appeared in the New Yorker about the safety of SUVs: http://gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, a used Honda sells for more than a used car of most other brands because it has a longer expected lifetime and/or lower repair costs due to it being more reliable.  People are paying more because it is a better car.  The fact that it has a higher resale value is a byproduct of this fact.</p>
<p>As for the reader who asked about trading in the SUV, the husband is right about one thing: the longer they drive an SUV, the worse off we all are.  Not only do SUVs waste a lot more gas than the average car, but they are less safe as well.  Here&#8217;s a great article by Malcolm Gladwell that appeared in the New Yorker about the safety of SUVs: <a href="http://gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html" rel="nofollow">http://gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole thought of paying as much for a used Civic as new MSRP is insane. If you are looking for a great value, then a used domestic car is a smarter choice. The resale value means zip if you drive a car into the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thought of paying as much for a used Civic as new MSRP is insane. If you are looking for a great value, then a used domestic car is a smarter choice. The resale value means zip if you drive a car into the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything here..I have a question ..My company pays my car note Audi Quattro wagon ($440/mo) the car has 85k miles..it is reliable excluding the tranny replacement at 60k..my question is the trade is at $14k..I am under water....current loan at $20k..what should I consider?..I am in sales and need a car but cannot afford to pay down the excess..not right now..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything here..I have a question ..My company pays my car note Audi Quattro wagon ($440/mo) the car has 85k miles..it is reliable excluding the tranny replacement at 60k..my question is the trade is at $14k..I am under water&#8230;.current loan at $20k..what should I consider?..I am in sales and need a car but cannot afford to pay down the excess..not right now..</p>
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		<title>By: jtimberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>jtimberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those saying that 55k miles is &quot;nothing&quot; or low, consider that is on a 2005 model, which is about 18k miles per year. The &quot;typical&quot; annual mileage is 12k.

And remember depreciation works like this: you lose money. Shocking, I know. The average car payment in America is $484/mo over 84 months according to the Auto Dealer&#039;s Association. So not only are people paying almost $500 a month, per Trent&#039;s math, they&#039;re losing $500 a month in depreciation.

Think about that. In one year, that adds up to $12,000. You can get a really nice used car from 2000-2002 for $12,000. Half that will buy a very decent used car. I just paid $3000 for a car[1] that my mechanic expects will last another 2 years without major mechanical work, and many many more years with a few typical high mileage repairs (pumps, gaskets, etc etc).

[1] 1994 Toyota Camry XLE V6. Its in fantastic shape. There&#039;s dozens of cars like this available in most major cities, with a little digging and hunting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those saying that 55k miles is &#8220;nothing&#8221; or low, consider that is on a 2005 model, which is about 18k miles per year. The &#8220;typical&#8221; annual mileage is 12k.</p>
<p>And remember depreciation works like this: you lose money. Shocking, I know. The average car payment in America is $484/mo over 84 months according to the Auto Dealer&#8217;s Association. So not only are people paying almost $500 a month, per Trent&#8217;s math, they&#8217;re losing $500 a month in depreciation.</p>
<p>Think about that. In one year, that adds up to $12,000. You can get a really nice used car from 2000-2002 for $12,000. Half that will buy a very decent used car. I just paid $3000 for a car[1] that my mechanic expects will last another 2 years without major mechanical work, and many many more years with a few typical high mileage repairs (pumps, gaskets, etc etc).</p>
<p>[1] 1994 Toyota Camry XLE V6. Its in fantastic shape. There&#8217;s dozens of cars like this available in most major cities, with a little digging and hunting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheaper to buy even a new engine and transmission than to buy another late-model vehicle.

If they&#039;re highway miles, I wouldn&#039;t worry too much about 55K in 3 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheaper to buy even a new engine and transmission than to buy another late-model vehicle.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re highway miles, I wouldn&#8217;t worry too much about 55K in 3 years.</p>
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		<title>By: lorax</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Of course, the &quot;almost&quot; is theoretical.  You&#039;d have to sell the car yourself... if you trade it in, you&#039;ll get black book value.  See daub815&#039;s like for the actual costs.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Of course, the &#8220;almost&#8221; is theoretical.  You&#8217;d have to sell the car yourself&#8230; if you trade it in, you&#8217;ll get black book value.  See daub815&#8217;s like for the actual costs.)</p>
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		<title>By: lorax</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with Trent&#039;s example, don&#039;t generalize the specifics.  Run the numbers for your car.

Generally, the used vehicle &quot;free&quot; market works.

So, it cost almost as much to buy a 2 year old Civic as it does to buy a new one.  That&#039;s a good indication of what the market thinks the quality and utility of Civics is.  The market sees that the 2 year old Durango just isn&#039;t desirable so it drops fast.  

(As a former grease monkey, I think this is 2/3 quality, but maybe 1/3 psychology - for those in the market for SUVs, it just isn&#039;t fashionable to be seen in an old one.)

Aside from the transaction costs, you could buy a new Honda every few years and almost come out even!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with Trent&#8217;s example, don&#8217;t generalize the specifics.  Run the numbers for your car.</p>
<p>Generally, the used vehicle &#8220;free&#8221; market works.</p>
<p>So, it cost almost as much to buy a 2 year old Civic as it does to buy a new one.  That&#8217;s a good indication of what the market thinks the quality and utility of Civics is.  The market sees that the 2 year old Durango just isn&#8217;t desirable so it drops fast.  </p>
<p>(As a former grease monkey, I think this is 2/3 quality, but maybe 1/3 psychology &#8211; for those in the market for SUVs, it just isn&#8217;t fashionable to be seen in an old one.)</p>
<p>Aside from the transaction costs, you could buy a new Honda every few years and almost come out even!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I didn&#039;t buy about that chart was the insurance difference.  They had the vehicle that lasted 15 years still paying 82% of the insurance of the vehicle that was being replaced every five years.  My guess is that the older car was being over-insured in the last ten years.  I never have anything but liability insurance on my old vehicles.  I always make sure to have enough money in my emergency fund so I can pay cash for another older vehicle if the one we&#039;re driving gets totaled or something.

Our current 1992 Escort has 127K miles on it (we bought it six years ago with 50K on it) and is just hitting the point when a number of maintenance issues have come up recently.  However, the body&#039;s still in excellent shape (cars made after about 1990 have considerably longer lifespans than cars used to have, due to advances in rust-proofing) and I expect the car will last at least another few years with only minor maintenance issues.  (Until recently, the maintenance expenses had always been fairly trivial, though certainly somewhat greater than for a newer car, and the car is fundamentally still sound.)

Anyway, if all you care about in a car is having transportation to get you from Point A to Point B at the cheapest possible price, don&#039;t overlook paying cash for an older vehicle (we paid $3500 for the Escort six years ago and it&#039;s some of the best money I&#039;ve ever spent).  Just remember to have enough cash left over so that the loss of the vehicle won&#039;t be financially embarrassing to you.  The savings in capital costs are usually much greater than what you lose in operating costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I didn&#8217;t buy about that chart was the insurance difference.  They had the vehicle that lasted 15 years still paying 82% of the insurance of the vehicle that was being replaced every five years.  My guess is that the older car was being over-insured in the last ten years.  I never have anything but liability insurance on my old vehicles.  I always make sure to have enough money in my emergency fund so I can pay cash for another older vehicle if the one we&#8217;re driving gets totaled or something.</p>
<p>Our current 1992 Escort has 127K miles on it (we bought it six years ago with 50K on it) and is just hitting the point when a number of maintenance issues have come up recently.  However, the body&#8217;s still in excellent shape (cars made after about 1990 have considerably longer lifespans than cars used to have, due to advances in rust-proofing) and I expect the car will last at least another few years with only minor maintenance issues.  (Until recently, the maintenance expenses had always been fairly trivial, though certainly somewhat greater than for a newer car, and the car is fundamentally still sound.)</p>
<p>Anyway, if all you care about in a car is having transportation to get you from Point A to Point B at the cheapest possible price, don&#8217;t overlook paying cash for an older vehicle (we paid $3500 for the Escort six years ago and it&#8217;s some of the best money I&#8217;ve ever spent).  Just remember to have enough cash left over so that the loss of the vehicle won&#8217;t be financially embarrassing to you.  The savings in capital costs are usually much greater than what you lose in operating costs.</p>
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		<title>By: benp</title>
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		<dc:creator>benp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim,
Thats a good point about insurance but my intuition says that insurance differences are probably significantly less than the depreciation differences. Do you have any experience with the numbers. 

Civics are also cheaper cars, and depreciation is somewhat proportional to car cost (ie expensive cars have higher absolute depreciation losses).

I would also agree that the gas mileage argument is pretty compelling, although I would like to know the purchase month, a 2005 car could be almost 3 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim,<br />
Thats a good point about insurance but my intuition says that insurance differences are probably significantly less than the depreciation differences. Do you have any experience with the numbers. </p>
<p>Civics are also cheaper cars, and depreciation is somewhat proportional to car cost (ie expensive cars have higher absolute depreciation losses).</p>
<p>I would also agree that the gas mileage argument is pretty compelling, although I would like to know the purchase month, a 2005 car could be almost 3 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: Siena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>55K mileage is nothing.  My Honda is at 112K and runs beautifully--no repairs ever needed (though I am expecting it so have some money saved in case).  I know someone whose car has 180K and has spent less than a thousand over the past 10 years in repair costs.  

However, the only reason I see trading in the car is switching to a compact or hybrid to save on gas.  My sis has an SUV and is considering trading it in so she can buy a prius because she is a major commuter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>55K mileage is nothing.  My Honda is at 112K and runs beautifully&#8211;no repairs ever needed (though I am expecting it so have some money saved in case).  I know someone whose car has 180K and has spent less than a thousand over the past 10 years in repair costs.  </p>
<p>However, the only reason I see trading in the car is switching to a compact or hybrid to save on gas.  My sis has an SUV and is considering trading it in so she can buy a prius because she is a major commuter.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>benp, you also need to consider that a civic and other high volume cars have higher insurance due to them being stolen more often.

55k on a 2 year old or less vehicle is a lot of miles.  figure mostly highway miles which is a good thing; however, despite being a relatively new car, being an SUV and paying gas for those kinds of miles is ludicrous.  i would get a different vehicle simply for the better gas mileage as Chris posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>benp, you also need to consider that a civic and other high volume cars have higher insurance due to them being stolen more often.</p>
<p>55k on a 2 year old or less vehicle is a lot of miles.  figure mostly highway miles which is a good thing; however, despite being a relatively new car, being an SUV and paying gas for those kinds of miles is ludicrous.  i would get a different vehicle simply for the better gas mileage as Chris posted.</p>
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		<title>By: vh</title>
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		<dc:creator>vh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good demonstration!

Possibly depending on the state you live in, another thing to consider is how much it costs to register the beast. In Arizona, that drops year by year as the car ages.  When my 2000 Toyota Dog Chariot was new, I had to raid a mutual fund to pay the registration (OK, it&#039;s the Vanguard fund where I keep my car savings &amp; so that&#039;s part of what the money is FOR, but still...the cost of a year&#039;s registraton was more than I could pay out of my salary). Seven years later, the cost has dropped enough that I easily can pay it out of my cash flow.

Stupidly, I&#039;ve always bought new cars. But never again. If you live near a retirement community, you can get a great low-mileage, gently used car--much nicer than anything you would find in the larger community--for a fraction of what it would cost new. It&#039;s worth driving across the state to buy your car from the old folks. 

But I&#039;m hanging on to the Toyota till it dies. Yeah, I had to pay a chunk for the 60K maintenance. . .but that was a far cry from the 15 grand (on top of this car&#039;s trade-in or sale value) I&#039;d have to pony up to buy a new car. And the car still runs trouble-free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good demonstration!</p>
<p>Possibly depending on the state you live in, another thing to consider is how much it costs to register the beast. In Arizona, that drops year by year as the car ages.  When my 2000 Toyota Dog Chariot was new, I had to raid a mutual fund to pay the registration (OK, it&#8217;s the Vanguard fund where I keep my car savings &amp; so that&#8217;s part of what the money is FOR, but still&#8230;the cost of a year&#8217;s registraton was more than I could pay out of my salary). Seven years later, the cost has dropped enough that I easily can pay it out of my cash flow.</p>
<p>Stupidly, I&#8217;ve always bought new cars. But never again. If you live near a retirement community, you can get a great low-mileage, gently used car&#8211;much nicer than anything you would find in the larger community&#8211;for a fraction of what it would cost new. It&#8217;s worth driving across the state to buy your car from the old folks. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m hanging on to the Toyota till it dies. Yeah, I had to pay a chunk for the 60K maintenance. . .but that was a far cry from the 15 grand (on top of this car&#8217;s trade-in or sale value) I&#8217;d have to pony up to buy a new car. And the car still runs trouble-free.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 2005 vehicle is NOT an old vehicle, and there&#039;s no reason to trade it in beyond the &quot;itch&quot; to drive something brand new.  Financially, trading in a 2005 vehicle is a lousy decision.

Of course, the more people trade in vehicles that are around 3 years old, the more late-model used vehicles there are for me to pick from. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 2005 vehicle is NOT an old vehicle, and there&#8217;s no reason to trade it in beyond the &#8220;itch&#8221; to drive something brand new.  Financially, trading in a 2005 vehicle is a lousy decision.</p>
<p>Of course, the more people trade in vehicles that are around 3 years old, the more late-model used vehicles there are for me to pick from. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: theknick</title>
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		<dc:creator>theknick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Click and Clack said it best; until your frame starts rusting out it&#039;s almost always cheaper to repair your existing car than to buy a new one.  I mean, unless your repair bill is getting to be more than $400/month you are saving money (of course, you need to take into account any inconvenience, too).

But, just because the car is a few years old?  My Saturn is eight years old and has a trade-in value of about $4000.  If I&#039;d bought a new one 4 years ago I&#039;d be out $10-12K for the new car and have a 4 year old car with a trade-in value of about $6000. 

Can I afford a new car?  You bet.  Do I have better things to do with $10K?  You bet.  If you want a new car, fine.  But don&#039;t try to say it&#039;s a financial decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Click and Clack said it best; until your frame starts rusting out it&#8217;s almost always cheaper to repair your existing car than to buy a new one.  I mean, unless your repair bill is getting to be more than $400/month you are saving money (of course, you need to take into account any inconvenience, too).</p>
<p>But, just because the car is a few years old?  My Saturn is eight years old and has a trade-in value of about $4000.  If I&#8217;d bought a new one 4 years ago I&#8217;d be out $10-12K for the new car and have a 4 year old car with a trade-in value of about $6000. </p>
<p>Can I afford a new car?  You bet.  Do I have better things to do with $10K?  You bet.  If you want a new car, fine.  But don&#8217;t try to say it&#8217;s a financial decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Spring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Spring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should have also included how much return one would normally get investing that money wasted in depreciation in the stock market.  This way people really understand how much money they are losing buying a new car every 2 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should have also included how much return one would normally get investing that money wasted in depreciation in the stock market.  This way people really understand how much money they are losing buying a new car every 2 years.</p>
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