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	<title>Comments on: The Simple Dollar Morning Roundup: If You&#8217;re An Artist, Pay Attention!</title>
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		<title>By: Izabelle</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-937879</link>
		<dc:creator>Izabelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 03:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the cut... 
I meant get routinely referred to as people who &quot;just make things pretty&quot;, or to be asked questions like &quot;would you rather do this or actually work?&quot;. People also tend to grossly underestimate the time required to do our work, and think that the only time involved is for the execution. For these reasons you touched a sore spot in people who are already weary of this type of badly communicated offer.

As a communications professional, I would recommend that you do a bit of background research first next time, and word your offer in a clearer manner. I&#039;m sure that if you had quantified the value of the link upfront, like any good ad rep does (trust me, I&#039;ve done media placement), the response would have been different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the cut&#8230;<br />
I meant get routinely referred to as people who &#8220;just make things pretty&#8221;, or to be asked questions like &#8220;would you rather do this or actually work?&#8221;. People also tend to grossly underestimate the time required to do our work, and think that the only time involved is for the execution. For these reasons you touched a sore spot in people who are already weary of this type of badly communicated offer.</p>
<p>As a communications professional, I would recommend that you do a bit of background research first next time, and word your offer in a clearer manner. I&#8217;m sure that if you had quantified the value of the link upfront, like any good ad rep does (trust me, I&#8217;ve done media placement), the response would have been different.</p>
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		<title>By: Izabelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izabelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 03:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just found (and read) this thread. Oh boy... 

Trent, you could have saved yourself a lot of trouble by narrowing the offer a bit - being more specific about what you want and explaining that your restrictions are aimed at avoiding spam, for one. Also quantifying the value of the links would have helped. Or asking for 1 or 2 sample pieces, so that the person gets chosen before losing too much time upfront.

I am a professional designer (art director in fact), and let me tell you, our profession gets demeaned daily. Graphic artists, designers, illustrators and visual artists also tend to all get shoved in the same basket while there are very real differences between the various graphic professions. It does get irritating after a while to have to routinely get referred]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found (and read) this thread. Oh boy&#8230; </p>
<p>Trent, you could have saved yourself a lot of trouble by narrowing the offer a bit &#8211; being more specific about what you want and explaining that your restrictions are aimed at avoiding spam, for one. Also quantifying the value of the links would have helped. Or asking for 1 or 2 sample pieces, so that the person gets chosen before losing too much time upfront.</p>
<p>I am a professional designer (art director in fact), and let me tell you, our profession gets demeaned daily. Graphic artists, designers, illustrators and visual artists also tend to all get shoved in the same basket while there are very real differences between the various graphic professions. It does get irritating after a while to have to routinely get referred</p>
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		<title>By: Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a biologist, so I consider myself fairly neutral here, but after having read all of the comments, I have to say that no matter what the artists were upset about, Trent seems to have failed to listen and turned a lot of readers away.

Multiple people essentially said that their feelings were hurt, and each time Trent essentially responded with (the false logic error) that &quot;because I did not mean to offend anyone, they have no right to be offended. Case closed.&quot; 

Elaine&#039;s tailor analogy seemed perfect. No matter that Trent was trying to do people a favor and that the artists weren&#039;t required to participate.  

I found this website about 2 hours ago, and my joy turned to a deep disappointment after reading the comments of this section.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a biologist, so I consider myself fairly neutral here, but after having read all of the comments, I have to say that no matter what the artists were upset about, Trent seems to have failed to listen and turned a lot of readers away.</p>
<p>Multiple people essentially said that their feelings were hurt, and each time Trent essentially responded with (the false logic error) that &#8220;because I did not mean to offend anyone, they have no right to be offended. Case closed.&#8221; </p>
<p>Elaine&#8217;s tailor analogy seemed perfect. No matter that Trent was trying to do people a favor and that the artists weren&#8217;t required to participate.  </p>
<p>I found this website about 2 hours ago, and my joy turned to a deep disappointment after reading the comments of this section.</p>
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		<title>By: Debs Australia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debs Australia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Trent...I thought your offer was kind. Don&#039;t worry about what they say about you..I am a fledgling artist, not a graphic designer and I would be thrilled to have my work exposed through any means...perhaps once these &#039;artists&#039; have had a pay check, they think they are above the rest..good for you..keep up the good work..u provide a terrific service and thats what it&#039;s all about if you ask me...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Trent&#8230;I thought your offer was kind. Don&#8217;t worry about what they say about you..I am a fledgling artist, not a graphic designer and I would be thrilled to have my work exposed through any means&#8230;perhaps once these &#8216;artists&#8217; have had a pay check, they think they are above the rest..good for you..keep up the good work..u provide a terrific service and thats what it&#8217;s all about if you ask me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, I can see why our economy tanked. The attitude of these people is so sad. 

You didn&#039;t ask them to make a free sign for you plumbing business. You offered to share your stage with them. Amazingly ungrateful of them and amazinly gracious and generous of you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I can see why our economy tanked. The attitude of these people is so sad. </p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t ask them to make a free sign for you plumbing business. You offered to share your stage with them. Amazingly ungrateful of them and amazinly gracious and generous of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lino</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-112513</link>
		<dc:creator>Lino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just wanted to know if this offer&#039;s still on the table.

I suppose I could understand people complaining about free exposure not being fair payment but you said it a million times, you don&#039;t even want it so you&#039;re basically doing a favor to those whose work you accept.

Very interesting site by the way, lots of interesting articles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to know if this offer&#8217;s still on the table.</p>
<p>I suppose I could understand people complaining about free exposure not being fair payment but you said it a million times, you don&#8217;t even want it so you&#8217;re basically doing a favor to those whose work you accept.</p>
<p>Very interesting site by the way, lots of interesting articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Artists still have to pay the bills. Just like everyone else. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artists still have to pay the bills. Just like everyone else. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ankur</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-81638</link>
		<dc:creator>Ankur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may be a bit naive, but money does not make you an artist, nor does the amount of exposure.  I am an artist because I need to paint in order to live.  The money will always follow the passion....not the other way around.

I firmly believe that Trent had all the best intentions at heart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be a bit naive, but money does not make you an artist, nor does the amount of exposure.  I am an artist because I need to paint in order to live.  The money will always follow the passion&#8230;.not the other way around.</p>
<p>I firmly believe that Trent had all the best intentions at heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-78516</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One suggestion,

If you are going to use an artist&#039;s image....make the image itself a live link to the artist&#039;s website. Also, drop in a credit line beneath the image with the artist&#039;s name and a copyright symbol. It doesn&#039;t  help much if the artist&#039;s name is not connected with the image. This was the case with the images of David&#039;s that you&#039;ve been using. 

Brad]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One suggestion,</p>
<p>If you are going to use an artist&#8217;s image&#8230;.make the image itself a live link to the artist&#8217;s website. Also, drop in a credit line beneath the image with the artist&#8217;s name and a copyright symbol. It doesn&#8217;t  help much if the artist&#8217;s name is not connected with the image. This was the case with the images of David&#8217;s that you&#8217;ve been using. </p>
<p>Brad</p>
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		<title>By: freespine</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-77777</link>
		<dc:creator>freespine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The way Trent handled it wasn&#039;t great, but the original message wasn&#039;t very pleasant. It sounds like &quot;Why don&#039;t you do this thing for me? I don&#039;t really need it, but it would be good for you.&quot; No wonder he got such a strong response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way Trent handled it wasn&#8217;t great, but the original message wasn&#8217;t very pleasant. It sounds like &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you do this thing for me? I don&#8217;t really need it, but it would be good for you.&#8221; No wonder he got such a strong response.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-77084</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Been awhile since I commented last, but this is too interesting a thread to pass up (even if I &lt;em&gt;am&lt;/em&gt; late to the party). 

As a young designer, I know just the sort of spec work the designers and artists above are complaining about. Imagine the cigar-smoking man in an expensive business suit going on about an &quot;opportunity of a lifetime&quot; &#8212; even if that wasn&#039;t your intent, that &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the way it came off. 

I&#039;ll be the first to say that even just commenting on your site leads to more traffic for mine, not to mention a higher page rank. However, I think you could&#039;ve gone about this better by contacting artistic readers directly instead of putting out a casting call. Your intent is honorable, but you&#039;ve obviously touched a bit of a sore spot among the designer community; we deal with people who place &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; value on our work all the time, and although I don&#039;t think you undervalue good art (you have an artist relative, as you&#039;ve mentioned in other posts), this offer smacks sorely of the type of person who &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; undervalue good art. 

That said, I&#039;d be more than happy to submit something to you. I love this blog and am a regular reader/commenter, and I&#039;d be happy to give you some graphics as a contribution to the community you&#039;ve jumpstarted here &#8212; not for the exposure, but for the sake of helping the cause of something I believe in. We as creatives may deal with crap offers frequently, but it seems it&#039;s led to oversensitivity in the matter of value of our artwork.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been awhile since I commented last, but this is too interesting a thread to pass up (even if I <em>am</em> late to the party). </p>
<p>As a young designer, I know just the sort of spec work the designers and artists above are complaining about. Imagine the cigar-smoking man in an expensive business suit going on about an &#8220;opportunity of a lifetime&#8221; &mdash; even if that wasn&#8217;t your intent, that <em>is</em> the way it came off. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be the first to say that even just commenting on your site leads to more traffic for mine, not to mention a higher page rank. However, I think you could&#8217;ve gone about this better by contacting artistic readers directly instead of putting out a casting call. Your intent is honorable, but you&#8217;ve obviously touched a bit of a sore spot among the designer community; we deal with people who place <em>no</em> value on our work all the time, and although I don&#8217;t think you undervalue good art (you have an artist relative, as you&#8217;ve mentioned in other posts), this offer smacks sorely of the type of person who <em>does</em> undervalue good art. </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;d be more than happy to submit something to you. I love this blog and am a regular reader/commenter, and I&#8217;d be happy to give you some graphics as a contribution to the community you&#8217;ve jumpstarted here &mdash; not for the exposure, but for the sake of helping the cause of something I believe in. We as creatives may deal with crap offers frequently, but it seems it&#8217;s led to oversensitivity in the matter of value of our artwork.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-76086</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s nothing to back down from, unless I just rescind the offer, and that would be wholly unfair to the people who are taking me up on it.

And I&#039;m far from taking it personally.  If I were taking it personally, I wouldn&#039;t allow such intense criticism of myself to be out there.  I opened up the floodgates and allowed a lot of people to criticize a stand I took - I would think it sad if I did NOT participate in the debate and stand up for the perspective that pro bono work like this can help a business.  It can - without it, I would have never been a success.

I would have much rather had individual one-on-one discussions with artists, but most of them (like the person who made the &quot;jump the shark&quot; comment above) left invalid email addresses or made threatening responses about me using their personal email address.  I consider it highly questionable when a person will levy an attack on someone&#039;s beliefs and then be unwilling to engage in follow-up discussion about it - it&#039;s very unprofessional when you&#039;re doing it in a way that represents your profession.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing to back down from, unless I just rescind the offer, and that would be wholly unfair to the people who are taking me up on it.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m far from taking it personally.  If I were taking it personally, I wouldn&#8217;t allow such intense criticism of myself to be out there.  I opened up the floodgates and allowed a lot of people to criticize a stand I took &#8211; I would think it sad if I did NOT participate in the debate and stand up for the perspective that pro bono work like this can help a business.  It can &#8211; without it, I would have never been a success.</p>
<p>I would have much rather had individual one-on-one discussions with artists, but most of them (like the person who made the &#8220;jump the shark&#8221; comment above) left invalid email addresses or made threatening responses about me using their personal email address.  I consider it highly questionable when a person will levy an attack on someone&#8217;s beliefs and then be unwilling to engage in follow-up discussion about it &#8211; it&#8217;s very unprofessional when you&#8217;re doing it in a way that represents your profession.</p>
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		<title>By: NolinkHere</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-76048</link>
		<dc:creator>NolinkHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yikes.  I was a fan of this site... but I am deeply troubled by this thread.  The issues and differences in perceptions are clear, but what amazes me is how Trent absolutely refused to back down even an inch and admit that there were issues to his offer that he hadn&#039;t considered that might be problematic for others. Given the volume of comments, it&#039;s not just in other people&#039;s heads, this is obviously a legitimate issue. And then the fact that you insist on taking it personally and being insulted, when in fact the other side perceived that you insulted them first, well, you just alienated readers for nothing. You didn&#039;t even attempt to find common ground, you just reiterate that you don&#039;t need it anyways and they can all quit their griping. It&#039;s not just the original topic, but the way you handled it after that. This site has now jumped my shark. Sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes.  I was a fan of this site&#8230; but I am deeply troubled by this thread.  The issues and differences in perceptions are clear, but what amazes me is how Trent absolutely refused to back down even an inch and admit that there were issues to his offer that he hadn&#8217;t considered that might be problematic for others. Given the volume of comments, it&#8217;s not just in other people&#8217;s heads, this is obviously a legitimate issue. And then the fact that you insist on taking it personally and being insulted, when in fact the other side perceived that you insulted them first, well, you just alienated readers for nothing. You didn&#8217;t even attempt to find common ground, you just reiterate that you don&#8217;t need it anyways and they can all quit their griping. It&#8217;s not just the original topic, but the way you handled it after that. This site has now jumped my shark. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-75452</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.  The artists on here are all being a little anal.  I&#039;m not an artist but I liked the idea of me possibly creating something that would be used here.  If it doesn&#039;t interest you, then so be it - but I think that you all are missing the point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  The artists on here are all being a little anal.  I&#8217;m not an artist but I liked the idea of me possibly creating something that would be used here.  If it doesn&#8217;t interest you, then so be it &#8211; but I think that you all are missing the point.</p>
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		<title>By: David Herring</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-75070</link>
		<dc:creator>David Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[trent, people are going way overboard on this one. thanks for using my pics. i don&#039;t make a dime off my pictures since they&#039;re just sitting on my computer. i&#039;m glad you liked my pictures and can direct people to my mediocre website. use them all you want man!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trent, people are going way overboard on this one. thanks for using my pics. i don&#8217;t make a dime off my pictures since they&#8217;re just sitting on my computer. i&#8217;m glad you liked my pictures and can direct people to my mediocre website. use them all you want man!</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/09/19/the-simple-dollar-morning-roundup-if-youre-an-artist-pay-attention/#comment-74995</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going to step in with two factual corrections here.

Mukesh: Page Rank is based, at least in part, on the number of inbound links.  Higher value sites (with higher page rank) confer more value on the pages they link to.  So, yes, links from popular sites have significant value.

All artists: I don&#039;t want the art, thus I don&#039;t see why I should pay for it.  If I wanted the art, I would agree with you that I am going about this wrong.  

I knew I had artists as readers and I thought it would be kind to give them free exposure, but I didn&#039;t want a flood of spam - I don&#039;t want 5,000 artists demanding a link for nothing - so I tried to come up with a simple threshold for giving my artist-readers exposure.

The rest of this entire argument is nothing more than artists grinding their axes about the state of their industry and insulting me in the process by demeaning me personally as well as the value of my site, for no good reason as far as I can tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to step in with two factual corrections here.</p>
<p>Mukesh: Page Rank is based, at least in part, on the number of inbound links.  Higher value sites (with higher page rank) confer more value on the pages they link to.  So, yes, links from popular sites have significant value.</p>
<p>All artists: I don&#8217;t want the art, thus I don&#8217;t see why I should pay for it.  If I wanted the art, I would agree with you that I am going about this wrong.  </p>
<p>I knew I had artists as readers and I thought it would be kind to give them free exposure, but I didn&#8217;t want a flood of spam &#8211; I don&#8217;t want 5,000 artists demanding a link for nothing &#8211; so I tried to come up with a simple threshold for giving my artist-readers exposure.</p>
<p>The rest of this entire argument is nothing more than artists grinding their axes about the state of their industry and insulting me in the process by demeaning me personally as well as the value of my site, for no good reason as far as I can tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Mukesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mukesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent I think you need to understand how Google ranks its search results. If it were that easy as your mention it, then the search results can easily be flawed. In fact, the search ranking algorithm did have flaws in it initially and people figured that out and posted bogus links on their pages to creep up their site in the rankings. Google figured this out quickly and altered the algorithm so website developers can&#039;t take advantage of this.

So my point is, if it is that easy as you make it out to be in your comments, then Google search results will be flawed (if people search for artist and your personal finance blog shows up because you have links to artists&#039; websites... then that is a major problem,obviously). They don&#039;t have PHD&#039;s writing Google search engine algorithms just for nothing. 

So what your selling to these artists (by the way, I&#039;m not an artist...I&#039;m a web architect by profession) isn&#039;t really &quot;what your selling&quot;. Also even if Google search DID work that way... you are selling (or providing favor as you say it) Google exposures via your website then that business model doesn&#039;t make sense. They can submit their site to Google directly without any effort of creating and sending graphics to Google that they may use on their site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent I think you need to understand how Google ranks its search results. If it were that easy as your mention it, then the search results can easily be flawed. In fact, the search ranking algorithm did have flaws in it initially and people figured that out and posted bogus links on their pages to creep up their site in the rankings. Google figured this out quickly and altered the algorithm so website developers can&#8217;t take advantage of this.</p>
<p>So my point is, if it is that easy as you make it out to be in your comments, then Google search results will be flawed (if people search for artist and your personal finance blog shows up because you have links to artists&#8217; websites&#8230; then that is a major problem,obviously). They don&#8217;t have PHD&#8217;s writing Google search engine algorithms just for nothing. </p>
<p>So what your selling to these artists (by the way, I&#8217;m not an artist&#8230;I&#8217;m a web architect by profession) isn&#8217;t really &#8220;what your selling&#8221;. Also even if Google search DID work that way&#8230; you are selling (or providing favor as you say it) Google exposures via your website then that business model doesn&#8217;t make sense. They can submit their site to Google directly without any effort of creating and sending graphics to Google that they may use on their site.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the right thing to do here is admit you may have insulted an entire profession and apologize. We know you did not mean it that way because you are not an artist and didnt imagine it would create this much controversy, but now that you know the reasoning behind it, just admit the other side may have been overlooked and apologize for the lack of foresight.

I think it is the unwillingness to accept the others position that you knew nothing about and move on that has really gotten so many designers upset.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the right thing to do here is admit you may have insulted an entire profession and apologize. We know you did not mean it that way because you are not an artist and didnt imagine it would create this much controversy, but now that you know the reasoning behind it, just admit the other side may have been overlooked and apologize for the lack of foresight.</p>
<p>I think it is the unwillingness to accept the others position that you knew nothing about and move on that has really gotten so many designers upset.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can definitely see that people would be a little upset by being asked to violate their professional standards of conduct (risk management), but it&#039;s sad that no better solution could be agreed on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can definitely see that people would be a little upset by being asked to violate their professional standards of conduct (risk management), but it&#8217;s sad that no better solution could be agreed on.</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why you would alienate an entire industry here is baffling. You didn&#039;t have to agree or even understand this issue, but you could have at least respected the fact that professionals feel this devalues their industry. 

My opinion of The Simple Dollar has dropped significantly. Doubt I&#039;ll be back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why you would alienate an entire industry here is baffling. You didn&#8217;t have to agree or even understand this issue, but you could have at least respected the fact that professionals feel this devalues their industry. </p>
<p>My opinion of The Simple Dollar has dropped significantly. Doubt I&#8217;ll be back.</p>
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