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	<title>Comments on: Making A Major Life Change: Is It Time For Kathy To Abandon The City?</title>
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		<title>By: Tyler Ketchum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Ketchum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys saying oh yeah go to austin, seattle, or any other big cities don&#039;t know anything thats still metro life. You want simple living and earthy and close to nature you have to live 60+ miles away from a big city. I live in Chehalis Wa, 90 miles south of Seattle and 90 miles north of Portland OR, you cant get a better small town than a town far away from the very common rural areas. All you people making your huge incomes have sold out for a very uncommon lifestyle in my opinion. You havent had the time or the nature to sit back and take a breath as you watch the trees sway. If you don&#039;t have the nature close to you and your seeking it, then why of all things for your jobs have a 2hr commute each way? By the time you wake up, get in the shower, get out &amp; get dressed, eat a little breakfast, get out the door, get on the road and then finally get to your work thats about 3 and a half hours of your day gone right there. And then with the 2hr drive back. Not only is that adding up to the 60hrs a week you stated earlier but, where is your time for your traveling and eachother and someday down the road a few kids. When you get to this part of the comment alot of you wont respect me, and I&#039;ll tell you why I&#039;m 16, 17 this next July and you simply wont think I have enough life experience, but think of yourself when you were a kid (teen) you had dreams too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys saying oh yeah go to austin, seattle, or any other big cities don&#8217;t know anything thats still metro life. You want simple living and earthy and close to nature you have to live 60+ miles away from a big city. I live in Chehalis Wa, 90 miles south of Seattle and 90 miles north of Portland OR, you cant get a better small town than a town far away from the very common rural areas. All you people making your huge incomes have sold out for a very uncommon lifestyle in my opinion. You havent had the time or the nature to sit back and take a breath as you watch the trees sway. If you don&#8217;t have the nature close to you and your seeking it, then why of all things for your jobs have a 2hr commute each way? By the time you wake up, get in the shower, get out &amp; get dressed, eat a little breakfast, get out the door, get on the road and then finally get to your work thats about 3 and a half hours of your day gone right there. And then with the 2hr drive back. Not only is that adding up to the 60hrs a week you stated earlier but, where is your time for your traveling and eachother and someday down the road a few kids. When you get to this part of the comment alot of you wont respect me, and I&#8217;ll tell you why I&#8217;m 16, 17 this next July and you simply wont think I have enough life experience, but think of yourself when you were a kid (teen) you had dreams too.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
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		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would chime in to think about family and distance to family (inclusive of friends that are like family to you). Are you happy seeing them once a year?  Are you and your bf from different areas, such that you will need to alternate visits home?  What role do you want your family to play in your childrens&#039; lives?  Everyone&#039;s different, but for some of us, it has a strong effect on being happy where we live - for me, that was especially true after having children and we moved to an area with many loved ones. There are many places with jobs, nature, short commutes, but maybe not so many that are close to people you love. 

That said, it&#039;s not like you can&#039;t change your mind if you find you are wrong, or what&#039;s right this year becomes wrong later. Don&#039;t be afraid to do it, I am sure you will land on your feet.

Best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would chime in to think about family and distance to family (inclusive of friends that are like family to you). Are you happy seeing them once a year?  Are you and your bf from different areas, such that you will need to alternate visits home?  What role do you want your family to play in your childrens&#8217; lives?  Everyone&#8217;s different, but for some of us, it has a strong effect on being happy where we live &#8211; for me, that was especially true after having children and we moved to an area with many loved ones. There are many places with jobs, nature, short commutes, but maybe not so many that are close to people you love. </p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s not like you can&#8217;t change your mind if you find you are wrong, or what&#8217;s right this year becomes wrong later. Don&#8217;t be afraid to do it, I am sure you will land on your feet.</p>
<p>Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Marcella Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcella Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kathy I have done moves like the one your thinking of doing. 

Here are two sites to check out

http://www.bestplaces.net/

and if you plan to have kids check this one out

http://www.psk12.com/rating/index.php

best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kathy I have done moves like the one your thinking of doing. </p>
<p>Here are two sites to check out</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bestplaces.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bestplaces.net/</a></p>
<p>and if you plan to have kids check this one out</p>
<p><a href="http://www.psk12.com/rating/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.psk12.com/rating/index.php</a></p>
<p>best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To piggyback on my last comment, I have a name for high-cost of living consumerists: they are called &quot;desirable customers&quot;. If such a lifestyle doesn&#039;t make sense for you or you can&#039;t afford it, serve their business needs for income purposes but forego the lifestyle for one that makes more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To piggyback on my last comment, I have a name for high-cost of living consumerists: they are called &#8220;desirable customers&#8221;. If such a lifestyle doesn&#8217;t make sense for you or you can&#8217;t afford it, serve their business needs for income purposes but forego the lifestyle for one that makes more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A high cost-of living, consumerist place is the perfect place to live and work if you are looking into building up a stash of cash for yourself, since incomes are high there.

There&#039;s no reason you can&#039;t brown bag it in a place like that. Once you start, you&#039;ll notice that a lot of other people do it too.  Heck, the illegal immigrants do and the small shopkeepers do.  Keep their low expenses and combine with your high income and you will do well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A high cost-of living, consumerist place is the perfect place to live and work if you are looking into building up a stash of cash for yourself, since incomes are high there.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no reason you can&#8217;t brown bag it in a place like that. Once you start, you&#8217;ll notice that a lot of other people do it too.  Heck, the illegal immigrants do and the small shopkeepers do.  Keep their low expenses and combine with your high income and you will do well.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaturon Wattaporn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaturon Wattaporn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Five months ago, after 19 years living like a mushroom in a cave in New York City, I moved to La Jolla, California, a seaside resort community near San Diego, having paid cash for the cheapest, smallest condo on the market -- a block from the beach!  Was able to relocate because I work freelance and all work is done via email.  Cost of living is one third of that of NYC and I can bike, kayak, surf, swim, run, paraglide, etc., every day of the year.  

You don&#039;t necessarily have to move to a small town or make less money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Five months ago, after 19 years living like a mushroom in a cave in New York City, I moved to La Jolla, California, a seaside resort community near San Diego, having paid cash for the cheapest, smallest condo on the market &#8212; a block from the beach!  Was able to relocate because I work freelance and all work is done via email.  Cost of living is one third of that of NYC and I can bike, kayak, surf, swim, run, paraglide, etc., every day of the year.  </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t necessarily have to move to a small town or make less money!</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kathy,

Look into moving to Greenbelt, MD  search on GHI-- it is a co-op.  Like-minded people live there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathy,</p>
<p>Look into moving to Greenbelt, MD  search on GHI&#8211; it is a co-op.  Like-minded people live there.</p>
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		<title>By: Magic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not from America, but live in Midwest almost 14 years.  Midwest nature is very beautiful and I know many who do a lot of sports (biking,running...) if you are into that kind of thing.  There are many trails and lots of greenery with everything growing 1/3 bigger than in Europe.  I generally don&#039;t like American lifestyle regardless of location, but I have no opportunity to change things as I am raising two children who need stability.  I don&#039;t think that moving from DC to a smaller town will make you happier,... you need to look within to find your balance and your purpose. I don&#039;t think moving is a solution ... humans are terrible at predicting what will make them happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not from America, but live in Midwest almost 14 years.  Midwest nature is very beautiful and I know many who do a lot of sports (biking,running&#8230;) if you are into that kind of thing.  There are many trails and lots of greenery with everything growing 1/3 bigger than in Europe.  I generally don&#8217;t like American lifestyle regardless of location, but I have no opportunity to change things as I am raising two children who need stability.  I don&#8217;t think that moving from DC to a smaller town will make you happier,&#8230; you need to look within to find your balance and your purpose. I don&#8217;t think moving is a solution &#8230; humans are terrible at predicting what will make them happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Louie Nicholson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louie Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy, i am a student at Miami University in Oxford Ohio...and if you have never heard of it, maybe you should check it out.  Miami is an excellent school, considered to be a &quot;Public Ivy&quot; and i really love attending as well as where it is located.  it is 35 minutes from downtown cincinnati and oxford is home to Hueston woods state park and several farms/farmers markets and there are abundant opportunities for philanthropy through the University...so if you would consider a career with a university, check out Miami and the Oxford area.  www.muohio.edu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy, i am a student at Miami University in Oxford Ohio&#8230;and if you have never heard of it, maybe you should check it out.  Miami is an excellent school, considered to be a &#8220;Public Ivy&#8221; and i really love attending as well as where it is located.  it is 35 minutes from downtown cincinnati and oxford is home to Hueston woods state park and several farms/farmers markets and there are abundant opportunities for philanthropy through the University&#8230;so if you would consider a career with a university, check out Miami and the Oxford area.  <a href="http://www.muohio.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.muohio.edu</a></p>
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		<title>By: Colleen Costello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen Costello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy needs to check out Bloomington, Indiana. My husband and I came here for grad school and stayed on. I often think about how lucky I am to be raising my family here instead of New Jersey where we grew up. All of the comments Kathy made in her story reaffirmed my beliefs that &quot;the good life&quot; is easier to find in the Midwest. We have a lovely home, good schools, a reasonable work schedule, no traffic or commute to speak of, and our neigbors are the type of people who would stop to help if someone&#039;s car got stuck in an intersection. There are people here from all over the world because of the University, yet we still feel &quot;small town.&quot; There IS life beyond the coasts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy needs to check out Bloomington, Indiana. My husband and I came here for grad school and stayed on. I often think about how lucky I am to be raising my family here instead of New Jersey where we grew up. All of the comments Kathy made in her story reaffirmed my beliefs that &#8220;the good life&#8221; is easier to find in the Midwest. We have a lovely home, good schools, a reasonable work schedule, no traffic or commute to speak of, and our neigbors are the type of people who would stop to help if someone&#8217;s car got stuck in an intersection. There are people here from all over the world because of the University, yet we still feel &#8220;small town.&#8221; There IS life beyond the coasts!</p>
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		<title>By: dapperdan7</title>
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		<dc:creator>dapperdan7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heres a little secret for you all.RENO NEVADA.i have lived there for 12 years and the geography is amazing,the weather great (four seasons,lots of sunshine,close to snow,)real neighborhoods,a river running thru downtown.the culture is getting better with the spillover from the bay area.lots of niches that need to be filled.cost of living is reasonable.of c ourse,the gambling reality does have its negatives but still not a reason to check it out.just my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres a little secret for you all.RENO NEVADA.i have lived there for 12 years and the geography is amazing,the weather great (four seasons,lots of sunshine,close to snow,)real neighborhoods,a river running thru downtown.the culture is getting better with the spillover from the bay area.lots of niches that need to be filled.cost of living is reasonable.of c ourse,the gambling reality does have its negatives but still not a reason to check it out.just my two cents</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I was reading this post and the comments, I kept thinking of that saying &quot;Wherever you go, there you are.&quot;  If Kathy and her bf are miserable, it may not be a problem that can be solved by moving somewhere else.  She may genuinely feel that the trouble is that she is living in the wrong place doing the wrong job, but I have a feeling that it may run deeper than that.  I have to say that I was pretty surprised by the facts in Kathy&#039;s email.  She and her boyfriend are under 25 but have been in a relationship and living together for over five years.  They have accomplished a lot at a very young age.  I think it&#039;s very impressive.  But I wonder if they are missing out on some of the benefits and turmoils of youth in some way by being so darned responsible and settled.  I wonder if they are happy on where they are in their lives emotionally - in other words, their relationship with each other.  Maybe this focus on DC and their lifestyle is really a way of not focusing on other things that are deeper and more difficult to talk about.  Of course, this is all speculation and I have no idea, but I thought I should at least mention it. 

It is very hard to pick up stakes and move away from friends and family to start a new and very different life.  I did it with my bf when I was out of college and it was terribly difficult for us both.  Maybe she should save up some money and take a few months off - do a road trip or travel around the world?  I just think it&#039;s time for some fun and adventure.  There&#039;s time later to settle down in a small town, buy a house and join the rotary or whatever :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I was reading this post and the comments, I kept thinking of that saying &#8220;Wherever you go, there you are.&#8221;  If Kathy and her bf are miserable, it may not be a problem that can be solved by moving somewhere else.  She may genuinely feel that the trouble is that she is living in the wrong place doing the wrong job, but I have a feeling that it may run deeper than that.  I have to say that I was pretty surprised by the facts in Kathy&#8217;s email.  She and her boyfriend are under 25 but have been in a relationship and living together for over five years.  They have accomplished a lot at a very young age.  I think it&#8217;s very impressive.  But I wonder if they are missing out on some of the benefits and turmoils of youth in some way by being so darned responsible and settled.  I wonder if they are happy on where they are in their lives emotionally &#8211; in other words, their relationship with each other.  Maybe this focus on DC and their lifestyle is really a way of not focusing on other things that are deeper and more difficult to talk about.  Of course, this is all speculation and I have no idea, but I thought I should at least mention it. </p>
<p>It is very hard to pick up stakes and move away from friends and family to start a new and very different life.  I did it with my bf when I was out of college and it was terribly difficult for us both.  Maybe she should save up some money and take a few months off &#8211; do a road trip or travel around the world?  I just think it&#8217;s time for some fun and adventure.  There&#8217;s time later to settle down in a small town, buy a house and join the rotary or whatever :)</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no real advice for this couple, since the decision is a very personal one and there is no way to know form that short letter what they really want, need, and should do.

Personally though I&#039;m with those who described the potential for simple living in an urban area. Also those who suggested nature, community, and some of the other desired traits discussed here can be found in many places--including the DC area. 

If the couple in question want to live in a small town, or the Midwest, then that is what they should do. However if they just want to have more of what they listed: simple living, nature, community, etc., then I don&#039;t think moving the the Midwest or moving far away is necessarily the answer.

You abs. can live simply in a city, in fact often much more easily than elsewhere. Some cities in particular are great for allowing one to forgo a car, have all one needs within walking (or public transit) distance. Higher salaries and many job prospects are common, esp. relative to smaller or less urban areas, and nature is usually accessible in and outside the city. I think suburbs and rural areas require much more resources than city living does, at least with the type of lifestlye I live.

But it is all about personal preference and individual need. Still I wouldn&#039;t discount the possibility of simple living in a city, nor assume one has to spend spend spend by living in one. I don&#039;t part. like the DC area for living in either and feel it is overpriced for what you get. But not every metropolitan area is like DC, which in my view has some of the worst aspects of both urban and suburban living without many of the benefits of those types of lifestyles.  

Not all cities require sitting in a car for hours, and it also depends on where and how you live in a particular city. I know the DC area and living and working within the city would likely eliminate/reduce the traffic issue for the most part. Public transit in the area is quite good, even in some of the suburbs. 

As another commenter mentioned, I&#039;ve never seen nature that is as accessible and beautiful as it is in the Bay Area, which is quite urban in many areas. There is more nature around for SF residents than there is for residents of many other less urban areas. 

I guess my point is the couple may be able to find what they seek in many places, and that jobs, salaries, and other factors must be closely considered in this type of move and blanket generalizations about any area, though maybe true to some extent, must be looked past when deciding about a move. Each area must be considered for its own unique qualities bc often what we are looking for may be in a place we least expect or may even be right under our noses. 

Simple living is a lot about personal choices and can be done most anywhere. The key is just to find the place that one fits in best and where one&#039;s needs are best met. Lots of research and a few visits and knowing oneself very well helps a lot. Best of luck to them and anyone else dealing with this issue. If I had to suggest any place, I&#039;d suggest places that have decent public transit and some walkable areas. Perhaps some university communities or smaller cities that others have suggested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no real advice for this couple, since the decision is a very personal one and there is no way to know form that short letter what they really want, need, and should do.</p>
<p>Personally though I&#8217;m with those who described the potential for simple living in an urban area. Also those who suggested nature, community, and some of the other desired traits discussed here can be found in many places&#8211;including the DC area. </p>
<p>If the couple in question want to live in a small town, or the Midwest, then that is what they should do. However if they just want to have more of what they listed: simple living, nature, community, etc., then I don&#8217;t think moving the the Midwest or moving far away is necessarily the answer.</p>
<p>You abs. can live simply in a city, in fact often much more easily than elsewhere. Some cities in particular are great for allowing one to forgo a car, have all one needs within walking (or public transit) distance. Higher salaries and many job prospects are common, esp. relative to smaller or less urban areas, and nature is usually accessible in and outside the city. I think suburbs and rural areas require much more resources than city living does, at least with the type of lifestlye I live.</p>
<p>But it is all about personal preference and individual need. Still I wouldn&#8217;t discount the possibility of simple living in a city, nor assume one has to spend spend spend by living in one. I don&#8217;t part. like the DC area for living in either and feel it is overpriced for what you get. But not every metropolitan area is like DC, which in my view has some of the worst aspects of both urban and suburban living without many of the benefits of those types of lifestyles.  </p>
<p>Not all cities require sitting in a car for hours, and it also depends on where and how you live in a particular city. I know the DC area and living and working within the city would likely eliminate/reduce the traffic issue for the most part. Public transit in the area is quite good, even in some of the suburbs. </p>
<p>As another commenter mentioned, I&#8217;ve never seen nature that is as accessible and beautiful as it is in the Bay Area, which is quite urban in many areas. There is more nature around for SF residents than there is for residents of many other less urban areas. </p>
<p>I guess my point is the couple may be able to find what they seek in many places, and that jobs, salaries, and other factors must be closely considered in this type of move and blanket generalizations about any area, though maybe true to some extent, must be looked past when deciding about a move. Each area must be considered for its own unique qualities bc often what we are looking for may be in a place we least expect or may even be right under our noses. </p>
<p>Simple living is a lot about personal choices and can be done most anywhere. The key is just to find the place that one fits in best and where one&#8217;s needs are best met. Lots of research and a few visits and knowing oneself very well helps a lot. Best of luck to them and anyone else dealing with this issue. If I had to suggest any place, I&#8217;d suggest places that have decent public transit and some walkable areas. Perhaps some university communities or smaller cities that others have suggested.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently lived in the lifestyle you are in now in LA and 2 years ago I moved to a small town in SC that has 25,000 people by choice. While I lived in the small town I worked from home &amp; kept my $100K+ lifestyle (I am in executive recruiting). About 6 months ago I accepted another full time job because I fell in love with the company &amp; I am now living in Raleigh, NC and have what I feel is the best of both worlds.  I live surrounded by forest on almost 2 acres with a stream, am less than 20 minutes from work, do meaningful volunteer work and love my life.  As a recruiter for the past 20 years I&#039;d tell you that you are in a fabulous spot to make the move to the lifestyle you want now.  As IT folks generally speaking you can work anywhere as a contractor.  If you want to try out a new city, get a contract job there for say 6 months &amp; try it out.  You will make good money and have the freedom to try on the community.  The person who mentioned COBRA is correct, whether you resign or are fired, COBRA is available to you for, in most cases, a minimum of 12 months.  Since both of you are young, you are quite insurable if you want to get individual insurance as well.  The last thing I&#039;d leave you with is there are NO guarantees in life, you don&#039;t know how long you are here for &amp; you should not live one moment longer unhappy.  I am 57 and wish I&#039;d learned that much earlier in life!  I wish &quot;Kathy&quot; and companion the best life has to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently lived in the lifestyle you are in now in LA and 2 years ago I moved to a small town in SC that has 25,000 people by choice. While I lived in the small town I worked from home &amp; kept my $100K+ lifestyle (I am in executive recruiting). About 6 months ago I accepted another full time job because I fell in love with the company &amp; I am now living in Raleigh, NC and have what I feel is the best of both worlds.  I live surrounded by forest on almost 2 acres with a stream, am less than 20 minutes from work, do meaningful volunteer work and love my life.  As a recruiter for the past 20 years I&#8217;d tell you that you are in a fabulous spot to make the move to the lifestyle you want now.  As IT folks generally speaking you can work anywhere as a contractor.  If you want to try out a new city, get a contract job there for say 6 months &amp; try it out.  You will make good money and have the freedom to try on the community.  The person who mentioned COBRA is correct, whether you resign or are fired, COBRA is available to you for, in most cases, a minimum of 12 months.  Since both of you are young, you are quite insurable if you want to get individual insurance as well.  The last thing I&#8217;d leave you with is there are NO guarantees in life, you don&#8217;t know how long you are here for &amp; you should not live one moment longer unhappy.  I am 57 and wish I&#8217;d learned that much earlier in life!  I wish &#8220;Kathy&#8221; and companion the best life has to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: guinness416</title>
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		<dc:creator>guinness416</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some really good, thought-provoking comments here.  Always amazes me what a wordly and experienced bunch this is; what keeps bringing me back to this blog is that I always learn something from the commenters here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some really good, thought-provoking comments here.  Always amazes me what a wordly and experienced bunch this is; what keeps bringing me back to this blog is that I always learn something from the commenters here.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kathy, My husband and I (54 and 49)have lived in 3 different states, always far enough from any family that we didn&#039;t see any of them more than once every couple years.  We have one daughter in her 5th &amp; last year of school, just married to a wonderful guy from that state, and that state is quite far away.  We&#039;ve just built our dream house in an area much like you describe. We want to live here for the rest of our lives. So to make our dream complete we hope our daughter moves somewhere near by the time she starts a family and some of our favorite family members move closer by the time we retire.  So we would recommend considering living within a few hours of family members especially if you sometime hope to have children.  I&#039;m not revealing where we live because it&#039;s extremely beautiful and doesn&#039;t need any more advertising! My commute is 45 minutes but it is five-star!  One point takes my breath away every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kathy, My husband and I (54 and 49)have lived in 3 different states, always far enough from any family that we didn&#8217;t see any of them more than once every couple years.  We have one daughter in her 5th &amp; last year of school, just married to a wonderful guy from that state, and that state is quite far away.  We&#8217;ve just built our dream house in an area much like you describe. We want to live here for the rest of our lives. So to make our dream complete we hope our daughter moves somewhere near by the time she starts a family and some of our favorite family members move closer by the time we retire.  So we would recommend considering living within a few hours of family members especially if you sometime hope to have children.  I&#8217;m not revealing where we live because it&#8217;s extremely beautiful and doesn&#8217;t need any more advertising! My commute is 45 minutes but it is five-star!  One point takes my breath away every day.</p>
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		<title>By: dalidan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dalidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admire you guys for being so wise at your age! Why I say that? I just came from CO looking for a great job in the DC are.....how wrong! I thought money will be great and the capital after all has great social life to offer! After being here for a short time I see the same things you talk about and now I am waiting for my one year of experience to go by and return co colorado spring....try that! it&#039;s what you really want, trust me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admire you guys for being so wise at your age! Why I say that? I just came from CO looking for a great job in the DC are&#8230;..how wrong! I thought money will be great and the capital after all has great social life to offer! After being here for a short time I see the same things you talk about and now I am waiting for my one year of experience to go by and return co colorado spring&#8230;.try that! it&#8217;s what you really want, trust me!</p>
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		<title>By: Mariette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew makes a good point.  In the past 15 years I&#039;ve lived in L.A., Bali, London, Amsterdam, Santa Cruz, New York and now San Francisco.  One thing I&#039;ve learned is you can&#039;t escape yourself necessarily by moving - you&#039;re baggage goes with you.  Unhappiness is usually generated from within, sometimes this is helped by a change in environment, but not always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew makes a good point.  In the past 15 years I&#8217;ve lived in L.A., Bali, London, Amsterdam, Santa Cruz, New York and now San Francisco.  One thing I&#8217;ve learned is you can&#8217;t escape yourself necessarily by moving &#8211; you&#8217;re baggage goes with you.  Unhappiness is usually generated from within, sometimes this is helped by a change in environment, but not always.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to mention Danville, Kentucky. A great little town, approximately 35 minutes from Lexington and home to Center College. The atmosphere as well as the community is welcoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to mention Danville, Kentucky. A great little town, approximately 35 minutes from Lexington and home to Center College. The atmosphere as well as the community is welcoming.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the past nine years, I have lived in the greater DC metropolitan area during the week, and I own a farmhouse and 11 acres about 2 hours west, where I live on the weekends.  So I&#039;ve had a reasonable amount of time to think this topic over.  

I&#039;m not yet ready to cut the ties to the metropolitan area just yet, for these reasons:  Health care.  Libraries.  Universities.  Job opportunities.  Ethnic markets.  Cultural diversity at work and in the neighborhood.

The rural county in which I live on the weekends has perhaps 35,000 people.  After nine years, I am still not reconciled to its insularity, racism (not just subtle stuff, but Ku Klux Klan recruiting flyers), conservative politics, and nostalgic yearnings for the way things used to be (or how they were *remembered* to be--read Kathleen Norris&#039; _Dakota_ for a Great Plains take on rural life).  Or small town petty corruption, like the issuing of county economic development bonds to build a Baptist fundamentalist school.  And next county over, the sheriff has been brought up on charges of taking bribes to ignore cockfighting matches. . . and so it goes.

While I participate in the rural community, mostly through volunteer work at my rural church, I can&#039;t ever be truly accepted into the community, because I didn&#039;t grow up or go to public school there.  This, despite being closely related to many family members there (and it&#039;s my grandmother&#039;s farmhouse that I bought).  I have met some wonderful people there, but it gets very, very old to keep hearing acquaintances refer to my life in the &quot;city,&quot; with a smarmy tone in their voice.  (I tend not to talk nor draw attention to my life during the week at all.)  

I participate in the rural community, volunteering for many activities through my church, and I do my rural libertarian thing, mostly by retrofitting my house to eventually take it off the grid--to return it to as it was when it was first built.  I support the local farmers&#039; markets, local businesses, and I&#039;m doing more these days to seek out kindred spirits through the local library and arts groups.

But I no longer take it for granted that I will retire there; there is only so much cultural isolation I  can take.  Before pulling up stakes and moving to a rural area, I recommend learning as much about the area as you can, and knowing your own needs and limits as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past nine years, I have lived in the greater DC metropolitan area during the week, and I own a farmhouse and 11 acres about 2 hours west, where I live on the weekends.  So I&#8217;ve had a reasonable amount of time to think this topic over.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not yet ready to cut the ties to the metropolitan area just yet, for these reasons:  Health care.  Libraries.  Universities.  Job opportunities.  Ethnic markets.  Cultural diversity at work and in the neighborhood.</p>
<p>The rural county in which I live on the weekends has perhaps 35,000 people.  After nine years, I am still not reconciled to its insularity, racism (not just subtle stuff, but Ku Klux Klan recruiting flyers), conservative politics, and nostalgic yearnings for the way things used to be (or how they were *remembered* to be&#8211;read Kathleen Norris&#8217; _Dakota_ for a Great Plains take on rural life).  Or small town petty corruption, like the issuing of county economic development bonds to build a Baptist fundamentalist school.  And next county over, the sheriff has been brought up on charges of taking bribes to ignore cockfighting matches. . . and so it goes.</p>
<p>While I participate in the rural community, mostly through volunteer work at my rural church, I can&#8217;t ever be truly accepted into the community, because I didn&#8217;t grow up or go to public school there.  This, despite being closely related to many family members there (and it&#8217;s my grandmother&#8217;s farmhouse that I bought).  I have met some wonderful people there, but it gets very, very old to keep hearing acquaintances refer to my life in the &#8220;city,&#8221; with a smarmy tone in their voice.  (I tend not to talk nor draw attention to my life during the week at all.)  </p>
<p>I participate in the rural community, volunteering for many activities through my church, and I do my rural libertarian thing, mostly by retrofitting my house to eventually take it off the grid&#8211;to return it to as it was when it was first built.  I support the local farmers&#8217; markets, local businesses, and I&#8217;m doing more these days to seek out kindred spirits through the local library and arts groups.</p>
<p>But I no longer take it for granted that I will retire there; there is only so much cultural isolation I  can take.  Before pulling up stakes and moving to a rural area, I recommend learning as much about the area as you can, and knowing your own needs and limits as well.</p>
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