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	<title>Comments on: The Constant Tug: Should I Invest Or Should I Pay Off Debt?</title>
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		<title>By: Meagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If debt is pay off then the extra money that you would be paying each month to pay off debt could be saved at a faster pace and then take a portion of that lump sum to invest in after a period of time like maybe for a year and then you wouldn&#039;t borrow money to invest.  I don’t know how that became an option anyway.... That way if unbeknownst to you some way down the road your’re dealing with another Magnoff you will at least have less worries. In other words never put all your eggs in one basket and I&#039;m not talking about several investment baskets... Nothing’s wrong with an old fashion savings account know return is higher than putting a sufficient amount of extra money in an account each pay period or month think about it….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If debt is pay off then the extra money that you would be paying each month to pay off debt could be saved at a faster pace and then take a portion of that lump sum to invest in after a period of time like maybe for a year and then you wouldn&#8217;t borrow money to invest.  I don’t know how that became an option anyway&#8230;. That way if unbeknownst to you some way down the road your’re dealing with another Magnoff you will at least have less worries. In other words never put all your eggs in one basket and I&#8217;m not talking about several investment baskets&#8230; Nothing’s wrong with an old fashion savings account know return is higher than putting a sufficient amount of extra money in an account each pay period or month think about it….</p>
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		<title>By: Make Friends, Earn Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make Friends, Earn Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually more cautious people tend to go for the pay off option and there is nothing wrong with this. I prefer the investment option as often your money will attract more money and it snowballs. The only thing I try and consider before I make an investment decision, is can i afford to lose this money. If not then pay of your debts, if you can afford to lose it then I would personally try the investment route with low or medium risk investments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually more cautious people tend to go for the pay off option and there is nothing wrong with this. I prefer the investment option as often your money will attract more money and it snowballs. The only thing I try and consider before I make an investment decision, is can i afford to lose this money. If not then pay of your debts, if you can afford to lose it then I would personally try the investment route with low or medium risk investments.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I re-checked my calculations and found no errors.  I am switching my strategy from paying off my debt early to putting as much as I can into investments.  Not paying off my debt early actually gives me MORE freedom and security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I re-checked my calculations and found no errors.  I am switching my strategy from paying off my debt early to putting as much as I can into investments.  Not paying off my debt early actually gives me MORE freedom and security.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your 50/50 approach is the right balance for you and your wife. For me an my wife we pay &quot;minimum payments&quot; on our savings

1) 401k up to the match
2) Minimum monthly contributions to
  - Two Roth IRAs
  - Two Coverdells and one 529 for our kids

Beyond that we boost our emergency fund to 6 months. Our retiremet fund is already on track. So if there&#039;s money left over after all that we use about 80% of it off against our high interest debt (a HELOC) and then the rest against one Roth or Coverdell fund.

In this way we maximize the guaranteed return but don&#039;t completely miss out on the possible opportunity in the market right now.

Probably if the market tanks we&#039;ll shift more to 50/50 to buy more equities esp. if our HELOC rate continues to drop.

-Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your 50/50 approach is the right balance for you and your wife. For me an my wife we pay &#8220;minimum payments&#8221; on our savings</p>
<p>1) 401k up to the match<br />
2) Minimum monthly contributions to<br />
  &#8211; Two Roth IRAs<br />
  &#8211; Two Coverdells and one 529 for our kids</p>
<p>Beyond that we boost our emergency fund to 6 months. Our retiremet fund is already on track. So if there&#8217;s money left over after all that we use about 80% of it off against our high interest debt (a HELOC) and then the rest against one Roth or Coverdell fund.</p>
<p>In this way we maximize the guaranteed return but don&#8217;t completely miss out on the possible opportunity in the market right now.</p>
<p>Probably if the market tanks we&#8217;ll shift more to 50/50 to buy more equities esp. if our HELOC rate continues to drop.</p>
<p>-Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the same camp as your wife. Pay off all the debt. Just get it out of the way and then you&#039;ll be able to throw the money you were putting on debt payments into investments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the same camp as your wife. Pay off all the debt. Just get it out of the way and then you&#8217;ll be able to throw the money you were putting on debt payments into investments.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Duane&#039;s reference above to the 2am test.  If it keeps you up at night it&#039;s not the right decision, your subconscious is trying to tell you something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Duane&#8217;s reference above to the 2am test.  If it keeps you up at night it&#8217;s not the right decision, your subconscious is trying to tell you something!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, another variable that you wouldn&#039;t know about.  I&#039;m in a unionized environment where the raises have been negotiated for the next three years.  I included the raise in my calculations as well (it&#039;s somewhere in between 2-3%).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, another variable that you wouldn&#8217;t know about.  I&#8217;m in a unionized environment where the raises have been negotiated for the next three years.  I included the raise in my calculations as well (it&#8217;s somewhere in between 2-3%).</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your reply lockheed.  I&#039;ll re-check things tonight.  Your figures are pretty close to my actuals that I left out.  The minimum payment on my loan is $226 per month and 25% of my gross salary is $890 a month.  I&#039;m paying a little under $120 in interest a month.

Also, I get paid bi-weekly so two months of the year I get three paycheques.  I took that into account for my calculations but don&#039;t know if you would have.  That could be where the difference comes from as I&#039;ll invest much more in those months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply lockheed.  I&#8217;ll re-check things tonight.  Your figures are pretty close to my actuals that I left out.  The minimum payment on my loan is $226 per month and 25% of my gross salary is $890 a month.  I&#8217;m paying a little under $120 in interest a month.</p>
<p>Also, I get paid bi-weekly so two months of the year I get three paycheques.  I took that into account for my calculations but don&#8217;t know if you would have.  That could be where the difference comes from as I&#8217;ll invest much more in those months.</p>
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		<title>By: icup</title>
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		<dc:creator>icup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HSBC just dropped its APY to 4.50% :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HSBC just dropped its APY to 4.50% :(</p>
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		<title>By: Supernegro.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supernegro.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;d rather pay off the debt. I hate, absolutely abhor, the idea of owing a company money. I have a couple of credit cards that I&#039;m wittling down and when the day comes when they&#039;re RIP, I shall rejoice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;d rather pay off the debt. I hate, absolutely abhor, the idea of owing a company money. I have a couple of credit cards that I&#8217;m wittling down and when the day comes when they&#8217;re RIP, I shall rejoice.</p>
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		<title>By: lockheed</title>
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		<dc:creator>lockheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like everything else in life, it depends on the situation.  But I would advise folks to not look at the interest rate, but rather the amount of money going towards interest.  It&#039;s one thing to say that I &quot;only&quot; have a 5.5% interest on my student loan debt.  It&#039;s quite another to say that I pay $250 each month into the vacuum of interest because my student loan *balance* is $50,000 at 5.5%.

In that case if you&#039;re not investing significantly more than $250 a month, I view that as a waste. 

I had been investing while slowly paying off my debt.  Then I looked at the numbers, it just didn&#039;t add up.  I was hemorrhaging money towards interest, way more than I was even putting into my 401K.  I decided to look at my financials as one entity, not compartmentalizing debt over here, and assets over there.  Once I did that, I saw how dismal my net worth was and how scary my budget was going to be for the next 15 years.  I cashed everything out, stopped investing, killed all the debt in a few months, and I&#039;m investing at a greater rate NOW than I would have been able to achieve in the next 15 YEARS if I was still paying off my (relatively low interest) debt.  

My net worth is already moving upward rather than &quot;3 steps forward, 2 steps back&quot;.  I&#039;m even able to save up for a down payment while continuing to invest and put money towards retirement. 

Again, situations determine the rules.  But in my case (single, no house), paying off the debt quickly was the best financial decision I could have possibly made.

Besides, Trent, with all due respect, you recently wrote a couple of posts indicating a pattern of pulling out of the market when it goes down and waiting until it starts going back up to get back in.  With that in mind, I really don&#039;t think you&#039;ll be hitting that 13% annual benchmark.  You&#039;d be best to get the guaranteed return on paying off your debts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like everything else in life, it depends on the situation.  But I would advise folks to not look at the interest rate, but rather the amount of money going towards interest.  It&#8217;s one thing to say that I &#8220;only&#8221; have a 5.5% interest on my student loan debt.  It&#8217;s quite another to say that I pay $250 each month into the vacuum of interest because my student loan *balance* is $50,000 at 5.5%.</p>
<p>In that case if you&#8217;re not investing significantly more than $250 a month, I view that as a waste. </p>
<p>I had been investing while slowly paying off my debt.  Then I looked at the numbers, it just didn&#8217;t add up.  I was hemorrhaging money towards interest, way more than I was even putting into my 401K.  I decided to look at my financials as one entity, not compartmentalizing debt over here, and assets over there.  Once I did that, I saw how dismal my net worth was and how scary my budget was going to be for the next 15 years.  I cashed everything out, stopped investing, killed all the debt in a few months, and I&#8217;m investing at a greater rate NOW than I would have been able to achieve in the next 15 YEARS if I was still paying off my (relatively low interest) debt.  </p>
<p>My net worth is already moving upward rather than &#8220;3 steps forward, 2 steps back&#8221;.  I&#8217;m even able to save up for a down payment while continuing to invest and put money towards retirement. </p>
<p>Again, situations determine the rules.  But in my case (single, no house), paying off the debt quickly was the best financial decision I could have possibly made.</p>
<p>Besides, Trent, with all due respect, you recently wrote a couple of posts indicating a pattern of pulling out of the market when it goes down and waiting until it starts going back up to get back in.  With that in mind, I really don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll be hitting that 13% annual benchmark.  You&#8217;d be best to get the guaranteed return on paying off your debts.</p>
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		<title>By: lockheed</title>
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		<dc:creator>lockheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, your math is off.

It looks like you have about $1000 to put towards debt and/or savings each month, and $6000 in your savings account. Give or take. In any case, let&#039;s use that amount for this exercise. 

In scenario 1, say you put a minimum payment of $215/mo on the debt while depositing the remaining $785 into your savings account gaining interest at 5% (remember, the $6K is already in there).  In 10 years, you&#039;ll have ($130,491.11 saved - $25,841.86 spent on the loan) = $104,649.25.  Not bad.... but.....

In scenario 2, you put a payment of $775/mo on the debt for two years, and save the remaining $225, upping that to the entire $1000 after the debt is paid off.  In 10 years, you&#039;ll have ($134,216.03 saved - $18,639.37 spent on the loan) = $115,576.66. 

You&#039;re way better off paying off the debt as fast as you can.  Even if you take the total paid to the loan out of the equation, you&#039;re still ahead.

Plus, you jettisoned the risk of the loan after the two years; you&#039;ll be breathing easy for eight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, your math is off.</p>
<p>It looks like you have about $1000 to put towards debt and/or savings each month, and $6000 in your savings account. Give or take. In any case, let&#8217;s use that amount for this exercise. </p>
<p>In scenario 1, say you put a minimum payment of $215/mo on the debt while depositing the remaining $785 into your savings account gaining interest at 5% (remember, the $6K is already in there).  In 10 years, you&#8217;ll have ($130,491.11 saved &#8211; $25,841.86 spent on the loan) = $104,649.25.  Not bad&#8230;. but&#8230;..</p>
<p>In scenario 2, you put a payment of $775/mo on the debt for two years, and save the remaining $225, upping that to the entire $1000 after the debt is paid off.  In 10 years, you&#8217;ll have ($134,216.03 saved &#8211; $18,639.37 spent on the loan) = $115,576.66. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re way better off paying off the debt as fast as you can.  Even if you take the total paid to the loan out of the equation, you&#8217;re still ahead.</p>
<p>Plus, you jettisoned the risk of the loan after the two years; you&#8217;ll be breathing easy for eight.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lorax: Fortunately for me, it&#039;s a tightly-regulated profession which is very protectionist.  It&#039;s literally illegal to outsource the work I do (and also it requires sufficient adeptness in U.S. culture that it wouldn&#039;t necessarily export well).

I think, in the end, most people have it right: personal peace of mind has its own value.  If you&#039;re exposed to risk that makes you seriously uncomfortable, that&#039;s a cost in itself.  And--as long as you&#039;re aware of the other costs--that can and should be factored in.  Note that even though I have strongly disagreed with the idea that you should never borrow to invest, I also said I agreed with Trent&#039;s plan to at least partially accelerate his debt repayment (and I myself am doing the same).  I will feel so much better when I don&#039;t feel that I can only work in one very narrow (and demanding) segment of my profession.  The freedom to--when the time is right--take a job that pays less, but offers different personal satisfactions, is one of my biggest goals, and I&#039;m willing to give up a few percentage points towards that goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lorax: Fortunately for me, it&#8217;s a tightly-regulated profession which is very protectionist.  It&#8217;s literally illegal to outsource the work I do (and also it requires sufficient adeptness in U.S. culture that it wouldn&#8217;t necessarily export well).</p>
<p>I think, in the end, most people have it right: personal peace of mind has its own value.  If you&#8217;re exposed to risk that makes you seriously uncomfortable, that&#8217;s a cost in itself.  And&#8211;as long as you&#8217;re aware of the other costs&#8211;that can and should be factored in.  Note that even though I have strongly disagreed with the idea that you should never borrow to invest, I also said I agreed with Trent&#8217;s plan to at least partially accelerate his debt repayment (and I myself am doing the same).  I will feel so much better when I don&#8217;t feel that I can only work in one very narrow (and demanding) segment of my profession.  The freedom to&#8211;when the time is right&#8211;take a job that pays less, but offers different personal satisfactions, is one of my biggest goals, and I&#8217;m willing to give up a few percentage points towards that goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran the numbers on my situation last night and really, it doesn&#039;t make much sense to pay off my student loan debt fast.  For simplicities sake, I have $17k at 9% interest.  I currently have $6k in assets.

In scenario 1, I put 20% of my income to paying off my student loan and 5% to savings, it will be gone in 2 years.  However, my savings will only have grown to $11,500 (assuming 5% return).  I will have paid $1500 in interest.

In scenario 2, I only pay the minimum amount on my loan and invest the rest. In two years my loan debt will still be $14,500 but I will have $26,000 saved.

That means I could still pay off my debt anytime after this point if I so choose but I have the added security of having much more in the way of assets.  This means I am more secure than if I had paid off my debt fast.

However, this is just looking at two years from now.  I decided to see what would happen in the long run.  So after my debt is paid off, for scenario 1 I start saving 25% of my income while scenario 2 stays the same.

10 years from now when my debt will be paid off in scenario 2, I will have assets of $148,500 for scen. 1 and $145,000 for scen. 2.  I will have paid $6600 more in interest but only have a net worth that is $3500 lower.

Sure, $3500 is a lot to me now but over a period of 10 years this is almost pennies (less than 2.5% of my future theoretical net worth).

For my situation, it completely makes sense to only pay the minimum amount on my debt and invest the rest.  I think this is the key point.  If I don&#039;t have the self-control to invest the money then yes, it would be much better to pay off the debt.  But this won&#039;t be a problem.

Another couple of points: 5% is pretty conservative - I almost get that from my bank account - and I get tax credits on my interest from my student loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran the numbers on my situation last night and really, it doesn&#8217;t make much sense to pay off my student loan debt fast.  For simplicities sake, I have $17k at 9% interest.  I currently have $6k in assets.</p>
<p>In scenario 1, I put 20% of my income to paying off my student loan and 5% to savings, it will be gone in 2 years.  However, my savings will only have grown to $11,500 (assuming 5% return).  I will have paid $1500 in interest.</p>
<p>In scenario 2, I only pay the minimum amount on my loan and invest the rest. In two years my loan debt will still be $14,500 but I will have $26,000 saved.</p>
<p>That means I could still pay off my debt anytime after this point if I so choose but I have the added security of having much more in the way of assets.  This means I am more secure than if I had paid off my debt fast.</p>
<p>However, this is just looking at two years from now.  I decided to see what would happen in the long run.  So after my debt is paid off, for scenario 1 I start saving 25% of my income while scenario 2 stays the same.</p>
<p>10 years from now when my debt will be paid off in scenario 2, I will have assets of $148,500 for scen. 1 and $145,000 for scen. 2.  I will have paid $6600 more in interest but only have a net worth that is $3500 lower.</p>
<p>Sure, $3500 is a lot to me now but over a period of 10 years this is almost pennies (less than 2.5% of my future theoretical net worth).</p>
<p>For my situation, it completely makes sense to only pay the minimum amount on my debt and invest the rest.  I think this is the key point.  If I don&#8217;t have the self-control to invest the money then yes, it would be much better to pay off the debt.  But this won&#8217;t be a problem.</p>
<p>Another couple of points: 5% is pretty conservative &#8211; I almost get that from my bank account &#8211; and I get tax credits on my interest from my student loans.</p>
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		<title>By: The Happy Rock</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Happy Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pay it off!  That is my position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay it off!  That is my position.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Gran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Gran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really have to listen to what I call the 2am test.  If you can&#039;t sleep because you worry about your debt or your investments it doesn&#039;t ultimately matter which yields the superior return -- you need to calm your nerves first.

Both routes have advantages, but many people retreat to paying down debt or acquiring fixed income investments during a down or turbulent market when historically speaking they are better off buying securities.  A sensible person balances investing and debt reduction until he is in a position to make debt profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really have to listen to what I call the 2am test.  If you can&#8217;t sleep because you worry about your debt or your investments it doesn&#8217;t ultimately matter which yields the superior return &#8212; you need to calm your nerves first.</p>
<p>Both routes have advantages, but many people retreat to paying down debt or acquiring fixed income investments during a down or turbulent market when historically speaking they are better off buying securities.  A sensible person balances investing and debt reduction until he is in a position to make debt profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you have to pay tax on the $100 pre-tax income you &quot;saved&quot;, just like on an investment. So you&#039;re not saving more than 7% by paying off the debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you have to pay tax on the $100 pre-tax income you &#8220;saved&#8221;, just like on an investment. So you&#8217;re not saving more than 7% by paying off the debt.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished paying off all my credit card debt and now I don&#039;t know whether to begin an emergency fund (it doesn&#039;t need to be more than $10,000 because I&#039;m 20 years old and still living at home) OR should I save up $3000 to begin my investment portfolio with Vanguard, with the ultimate goal of having 3 index funds with Vanguard ($9000).  Not sure where to begin...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished paying off all my credit card debt and now I don&#8217;t know whether to begin an emergency fund (it doesn&#8217;t need to be more than $10,000 because I&#8217;m 20 years old and still living at home) OR should I save up $3000 to begin my investment portfolio with Vanguard, with the ultimate goal of having 3 index funds with Vanguard ($9000).  Not sure where to begin&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a pretty interesting poll from the diehard&#039;s investment forum (I think Trent is a reader) which asks at what interest rate you would invest instead of loan repayment?

http://www.diehards.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4263&amp;highlight=poll

It looks like most would say around 6% is the magic number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a pretty interesting poll from the diehard&#8217;s investment forum (I think Trent is a reader) which asks at what interest rate you would invest instead of loan repayment?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.diehards.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4263&amp;highlight=poll" rel="nofollow">http://www.diehards.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4263&amp;highlight=poll</a></p>
<p>It looks like most would say around 6% is the magic number.</p>
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		<title>By: deRuiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>deRuiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you pay off a debt at 7% interest, you are really SAVING 10%.  In order to come up with 7% interest, say hypothetically the month&#039;s interest on a debt is $70.   You must EARN $100., pay your income taxes to state and Feds and ONLY THEN do  you have the $70.00 to pay that amount of interest.  If you spend all extra income on the debt, you are saving 10% pre tax income.  Also if your portfolio is earning 13% YOU HAVE TO PAY STATE AND FEDERAL INCOME TAXES ON IT WHICH MEANS YOU ARE NETTING PERHAPS 9% OR 10% depending upon your tax bracket.  I VOTE WITH YOUR WIFE, DESTROY THE DEBT AND THEN SAVE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you pay off a debt at 7% interest, you are really SAVING 10%.  In order to come up with 7% interest, say hypothetically the month&#8217;s interest on a debt is $70.   You must EARN $100., pay your income taxes to state and Feds and ONLY THEN do  you have the $70.00 to pay that amount of interest.  If you spend all extra income on the debt, you are saving 10% pre tax income.  Also if your portfolio is earning 13% YOU HAVE TO PAY STATE AND FEDERAL INCOME TAXES ON IT WHICH MEANS YOU ARE NETTING PERHAPS 9% OR 10% depending upon your tax bracket.  I VOTE WITH YOUR WIFE, DESTROY THE DEBT AND THEN SAVE.</p>
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