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	<title>Comments on: Seven Lessons Learned From The First Issue of Money Magazine</title>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunh, this is pretty interesting stuff.  Hard to believe there was a time when credit, and particularly credit cards, were rare.  And that card cutting thing is pretty interesting; as already mentioned, it was probably the best plan AmEx had available to deal with people who wanted to cancel their cards.  

‘I would much rather pay a higher rate for a magazine with minimal ads.’  Are you sure about that?  The inflation adjusted price for a year’s worth of Money would be $55.85 today.  And even that price assumes that the magazine’s expenses have risen only as fast as inflation (if it costs, say, twice as much to produce Money today as it did in 1972 (after adjusting for inflation), it’s been advertisers who’ve been picking up the slack).  

Given these kinds of figures for a magazine subscription,  I have no problem with dealing with some extra ads to keep my out of pocket prices lower, but I suppose that’s a personal choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunh, this is pretty interesting stuff.  Hard to believe there was a time when credit, and particularly credit cards, were rare.  And that card cutting thing is pretty interesting; as already mentioned, it was probably the best plan AmEx had available to deal with people who wanted to cancel their cards.  </p>
<p>‘I would much rather pay a higher rate for a magazine with minimal ads.’  Are you sure about that?  The inflation adjusted price for a year’s worth of Money would be $55.85 today.  And even that price assumes that the magazine’s expenses have risen only as fast as inflation (if it costs, say, twice as much to produce Money today as it did in 1972 (after adjusting for inflation), it’s been advertisers who’ve been picking up the slack).  </p>
<p>Given these kinds of figures for a magazine subscription,  I have no problem with dealing with some extra ads to keep my out of pocket prices lower, but I suppose that’s a personal choice.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottMGS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottMGS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fair use&quot; should allow you to show snippets of the magazine for review purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fair use&#8221; should allow you to show snippets of the magazine for review purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debbie M.  The &#039;70s also featured double-digit inflation.  The real interest rates weren&#039;t nearly as high as you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debbie M.  The &#8217;70s also featured double-digit inflation.  The real interest rates weren&#8217;t nearly as high as you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been remiss in keeping up with TSD, but read about a month&#039;s worth of Trent&#039;s posts this morning.  I just had to comment on this one -- it really shows how much the world has changed since 1972.  I hadn&#039;t realized, and I lived through it!  I WELL remember what a red-letter day it was in the 70&#039;s when my salary as an experienced teacher went above $10,000 for the first time.  We had had to threaten strike to get that concession.  I can also remember standing in a store, as a married grad student with 2 small children in the late 60&#039;s, agonizing over whether to buy a $.25 halloween decoration item.  Times change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been remiss in keeping up with TSD, but read about a month&#8217;s worth of Trent&#8217;s posts this morning.  I just had to comment on this one &#8212; it really shows how much the world has changed since 1972.  I hadn&#8217;t realized, and I lived through it!  I WELL remember what a red-letter day it was in the 70&#8217;s when my salary as an experienced teacher went above $10,000 for the first time.  We had had to threaten strike to get that concession.  I can also remember standing in a store, as a married grad student with 2 small children in the late 60&#8217;s, agonizing over whether to buy a $.25 halloween decoration item.  Times change!</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great idea trent! what a great way to look a trends, and how the american economy is moving.  great idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great idea trent! what a great way to look a trends, and how the american economy is moving.  great idea!</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that was better in the seventies was interests rates.  A regular savings account at a bank, with no minimum, paid 5% interest.

Also, even private colleges were more affordable because financial aid was so much better.  I was in school from 1980 to 1984 when the change happened (hello, Reagan).  The first year I was expected to take out a $1000 student loan and the last year I was expected to take out $3500 in loans.

All forms of communication (except advertising) are much better now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that was better in the seventies was interests rates.  A regular savings account at a bank, with no minimum, paid 5% interest.</p>
<p>Also, even private colleges were more affordable because financial aid was so much better.  I was in school from 1980 to 1984 when the change happened (hello, Reagan).  The first year I was expected to take out a $1000 student loan and the last year I was expected to take out $3500 in loans.</p>
<p>All forms of communication (except advertising) are much better now.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow, I must say that paying a higher rate for less ads seems a bit nuts to me, especially for a frugal person.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not to me. It falls under the &quot;pay more for higher quality&quot; blanket: more convenience, less distraction. And as you state later, potentially more content.

My favorite magazine, &lt;em&gt;The New Yorker&lt;/em&gt;, spoils me in this regard. Fewer ads, strong delineation between ads and content, and no stupid &quot;continued on page...&quot; jumps. (Every article&#039;s pages are printed consecutively to completion.) For these reasons – as well as the stellar content, of course – &lt;em&gt;TNY&lt;/em&gt; is the only magazine I subscribe to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wow, I must say that paying a higher rate for less ads seems a bit nuts to me, especially for a frugal person.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not to me. It falls under the &#8220;pay more for higher quality&#8221; blanket: more convenience, less distraction. And as you state later, potentially more content.</p>
<p>My favorite magazine, <em>The New Yorker</em>, spoils me in this regard. Fewer ads, strong delineation between ads and content, and no stupid &#8220;continued on page&#8230;&#8221; jumps. (Every article&#8217;s pages are printed consecutively to completion.) For these reasons – as well as the stellar content, of course – <em>TNY</em> is the only magazine I subscribe to.</p>
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		<title>By: silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the $45 a week in today&#039;s dollars? I&#039;m guessing that after taxes, child care, transportation, work clothes, etc, women today don&#039;t do much better, especially since it really just pushes your household into a higher tax bracket. I&#039;m guessing that many women bring in such a small amount of money after all of the cost of work factors are taken into account that they wind up paying all their income in extra taxes.

*But*, I think a big part of why women today don&#039;t make much is because of the fields they choose to work in. Colleges are just now starting to get a more even balance of men/women in their engineering programs. I&#039;ve seen that if you account for profession and experience (an engineer with 20 years experience will make more than one fresh out of college, and the engineers with 20 years experience tend to be male), women and men make equal pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the $45 a week in today&#8217;s dollars? I&#8217;m guessing that after taxes, child care, transportation, work clothes, etc, women today don&#8217;t do much better, especially since it really just pushes your household into a higher tax bracket. I&#8217;m guessing that many women bring in such a small amount of money after all of the cost of work factors are taken into account that they wind up paying all their income in extra taxes.</p>
<p>*But*, I think a big part of why women today don&#8217;t make much is because of the fields they choose to work in. Colleges are just now starting to get a more even balance of men/women in their engineering programs. I&#8217;ve seen that if you account for profession and experience (an engineer with 20 years experience will make more than one fresh out of college, and the engineers with 20 years experience tend to be male), women and men make equal pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nice thing about Ma Bell was that if you had a problem you dealt with actual operators--without extra charge.  They would adjust your bill for inaccuracies on the spot and without argument.  Just try that now.  

The actual minimum wage at the time, if I recall correctly was 1.65.  My take home was around $50.  It made so little difference to our standard of living that it was not really noticeable when I didn&#039;t work.  Work was not that easy to come by at the time either.  

By the way, discrimination against women in the workforce was blatant in ways that seem quite unbelievable now.  I was asked questions such as 1)Is that your natural hair color?  2)What kind of birth control are you on?  3)When do you plan to start having children?  I also recall an interview where I was locked in with the interviewer which I realized when someone pounded on the door demanding entrance.

One thing that always cracks me up now is when young people tell me that if I had taken advantage of investing 10,000 or so in a retirement plan I would have millions now and been able to retire early.  The fact is that our entire income in those years was around 8 to 10,000 and there was no such thing as IRAs and 401Ks

AS for college expenses, tuition in those days was (personal experience) $220 a semester on the low end ($440/ year) to $400 per quarter on the high end ($1200/ year).  We could and did pay for college out of our current earnings.  Nobody we knew had any help in either the form of scholarships or loans.  Except for the guys who had survived Vietnam and were going on the GI bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nice thing about Ma Bell was that if you had a problem you dealt with actual operators&#8211;without extra charge.  They would adjust your bill for inaccuracies on the spot and without argument.  Just try that now.  </p>
<p>The actual minimum wage at the time, if I recall correctly was 1.65.  My take home was around $50.  It made so little difference to our standard of living that it was not really noticeable when I didn&#8217;t work.  Work was not that easy to come by at the time either.  </p>
<p>By the way, discrimination against women in the workforce was blatant in ways that seem quite unbelievable now.  I was asked questions such as 1)Is that your natural hair color?  2)What kind of birth control are you on?  3)When do you plan to start having children?  I also recall an interview where I was locked in with the interviewer which I realized when someone pounded on the door demanding entrance.</p>
<p>One thing that always cracks me up now is when young people tell me that if I had taken advantage of investing 10,000 or so in a retirement plan I would have millions now and been able to retire early.  The fact is that our entire income in those years was around 8 to 10,000 and there was no such thing as IRAs and 401Ks</p>
<p>AS for college expenses, tuition in those days was (personal experience) $220 a semester on the low end ($440/ year) to $400 per quarter on the high end ($1200/ year).  We could and did pay for college out of our current earnings.  Nobody we knew had any help in either the form of scholarships or loans.  Except for the guys who had survived Vietnam and were going on the GI bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Marsha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful!  I guess you had to cut a credit card in half and mail it in because it was too expensive to call AmEx to cancel!  LOL

I was in college when &quot;Money&quot; 1st came out.  Yeah, no one had debt to speak of - maybe a car loan or a few items on layaway at a department store.  Not nearly as many gadget-y things to covet and fritter money on, either.  People were generally happy with less material stuff back in those days.  This is a generalization, of course - there was still plenty of poverty then, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful!  I guess you had to cut a credit card in half and mail it in because it was too expensive to call AmEx to cancel!  LOL</p>
<p>I was in college when &#8220;Money&#8221; 1st came out.  Yeah, no one had debt to speak of &#8211; maybe a car loan or a few items on layaway at a department store.  Not nearly as many gadget-y things to covet and fritter money on, either.  People were generally happy with less material stuff back in those days.  This is a generalization, of course &#8211; there was still plenty of poverty then, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully, she was giving the 1970 income in constant (2005 or whatever) dollars and you simply misunderstood.  Otherwise, it&#039;s an unbelievably egregious mistake on her part.  Of course, Anya is rather blinded by her ideology and confirmation bias.  For example, she decries the fact that college is so expensive due to declining subsidies, but is forced to concede that the debt does end up being worth it (due to higher incomes realized by the degree).  So how seriously can we take her argument that the people who are going to be making those higher incomes should be subsidized by everybody else?  The fact that this was the case in the 1960&#039;s (and she&#039;s right about that) seems more an indictment of that system than an indictment of today&#039;s.  We&#039;re no longer giving as much money to the rich of the future while they&#039;re young.  Boo-hoo.

@icup  The median gross wage for working women in 1973 was only $53 per week, so I&#039;m not sure what that $45 per week is net of.  If it&#039;s net of child care, transportation, taxes, the whole shebang, then I agree with you that it&#039;s not that terrible a deal.  (My wife wouldn&#039;t work for that little net a week, but we can afford it.  For many people, an extra $200 a week net would be well worth it.  That is, after all, $10,000 a year in spendable or investable cash.)  If it&#039;s only net of taxes, I&#039;m not so sure.  I couldn&#039;t find any figures on child care costs in 1972, but it would hardly surprise me if that money got eaten up rather quickly by child care and other losses that a household suffers by not having a parent at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, she was giving the 1970 income in constant (2005 or whatever) dollars and you simply misunderstood.  Otherwise, it&#8217;s an unbelievably egregious mistake on her part.  Of course, Anya is rather blinded by her ideology and confirmation bias.  For example, she decries the fact that college is so expensive due to declining subsidies, but is forced to concede that the debt does end up being worth it (due to higher incomes realized by the degree).  So how seriously can we take her argument that the people who are going to be making those higher incomes should be subsidized by everybody else?  The fact that this was the case in the 1960&#8217;s (and she&#8217;s right about that) seems more an indictment of that system than an indictment of today&#8217;s.  We&#8217;re no longer giving as much money to the rich of the future while they&#8217;re young.  Boo-hoo.</p>
<p>@icup  The median gross wage for working women in 1973 was only $53 per week, so I&#8217;m not sure what that $45 per week is net of.  If it&#8217;s net of child care, transportation, taxes, the whole shebang, then I agree with you that it&#8217;s not that terrible a deal.  (My wife wouldn&#8217;t work for that little net a week, but we can afford it.  For many people, an extra $200 a week net would be well worth it.  That is, after all, $10,000 a year in spendable or investable cash.)  If it&#8217;s only net of taxes, I&#8217;m not so sure.  I couldn&#8217;t find any figures on child care costs in 1972, but it would hardly surprise me if that money got eaten up rather quickly by child care and other losses that a household suffers by not having a parent at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I reviewed Generation Debt, I used Anya&#039;s numbers, not my own.</description>
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		<title>By: icup</title>
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		<dc:creator>icup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew Stevens, I agree its close to min wage, but he said it was &#039;far far less than min wage&#039;, and then questions why they even bothered to work. I still think at that number it would have made sense for women to go to work. A net of $210 a week for 40 hours work would be $5.25 an hour. Just a rough guess, but wouldn&#039;t that put the gross at something like $7-something, depending on how much her husband made. Not great, to be sure, but certainly well within the realm of &#039;its-kinda-worth-it-to-go-to-my-job-for-some-extra-cash&#039; and not you-can-do-better-than-that-just-by-being-frugal as trent asserts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew Stevens, I agree its close to min wage, but he said it was &#8216;far far less than min wage&#8217;, and then questions why they even bothered to work. I still think at that number it would have made sense for women to go to work. A net of $210 a week for 40 hours work would be $5.25 an hour. Just a rough guess, but wouldn&#8217;t that put the gross at something like $7-something, depending on how much her husband made. Not great, to be sure, but certainly well within the realm of &#8216;its-kinda-worth-it-to-go-to-my-job-for-some-extra-cash&#8217; and not you-can-do-better-than-that-just-by-being-frugal as trent asserts.</p>
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		<title>By: call center rep</title>
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		<dc:creator>call center rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at a call center for Visa, last year, and part of the legal disclosure we tell you when you cancel an authorized user&#039;s card over the phone does say, &quot;cut up the authorized user&#039;s card and return it to VISA&quot; 

but it&#039;s expected (by those of us on the phone, anyways) that nobody will return the card. If you&#039;re just cancelling your own, primary user card, we tell you to cut up your card. (no returns!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at a call center for Visa, last year, and part of the legal disclosure we tell you when you cancel an authorized user&#8217;s card over the phone does say, &#8220;cut up the authorized user&#8217;s card and return it to VISA&#8221; </p>
<p>but it&#8217;s expected (by those of us on the phone, anyways) that nobody will return the card. If you&#8217;re just cancelling your own, primary user card, we tell you to cut up your card. (no returns!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe women worked because it wasn&#039;t just about making money for them. It could have been the job was interesting, or just the fact that they were able to work a paid job outside the home. Equality/equity had to start at some point...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe women worked because it wasn&#8217;t just about making money for them. It could have been the job was interesting, or just the fact that they were able to work a paid job outside the home. Equality/equity had to start at some point&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see you doing this research, Trent.  I remember in your review of Generation Debt, you claimed that &quot;there were manufacturing jobs available to people with work ethic, jobs on the floors of factories that paid $15-$20 an hour in wages in 1970 dollars.&quot;  Had you run this through an inflation calculator, you would never have made such a claim.  That would mean that people on the floors of factories were making the 2007 equivalent of $160,000-$200,000 a year.  Believe me, the good ol&#039; days were never that good.  In fact, the average (not the starting) manufacturing wage was never more than $14 per hour in today&#039;s dollars, nevertheless 1970 dollars.

This sort of misunderstanding comes from talking to old men with long memories who are convinced that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and things were so much better back in the day.  It is shocking to me how little historical perspective even people who lived through the history seem to have.

By the way, icup, using Trent&#039;s 1973-2006 conversion (which is underestimating inflation just a bit, since he actually wants 1972-2007 or 1973-2008), $45 per week equals about $210 per week.  The net is still lower than today&#039;s minimum wage, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see you doing this research, Trent.  I remember in your review of Generation Debt, you claimed that &#8220;there were manufacturing jobs available to people with work ethic, jobs on the floors of factories that paid $15-$20 an hour in wages in 1970 dollars.&#8221;  Had you run this through an inflation calculator, you would never have made such a claim.  That would mean that people on the floors of factories were making the 2007 equivalent of $160,000-$200,000 a year.  Believe me, the good ol&#8217; days were never that good.  In fact, the average (not the starting) manufacturing wage was never more than $14 per hour in today&#8217;s dollars, nevertheless 1970 dollars.</p>
<p>This sort of misunderstanding comes from talking to old men with long memories who are convinced that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and things were so much better back in the day.  It is shocking to me how little historical perspective even people who lived through the history seem to have.</p>
<p>By the way, icup, using Trent&#8217;s 1973-2006 conversion (which is underestimating inflation just a bit, since he actually wants 1972-2007 or 1973-2008), $45 per week equals about $210 per week.  The net is still lower than today&#8217;s minimum wage, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m almost embarrassed to say that I can remember living on less than $500 for a 2 weeks vacation in Southern France in 1973.(It might give away my age,ugh, but I also have still the photos to prove it). All I needed was a couple of friends from the German Law School I was attending at that time, a VW Beetle, some sunshine, and an open mind. 
   I had a hard-to-get Amex card. When you used it in spare locations, the salesperson had to look up the card number in a printed book for lack of computers, the book was always 2 weeks behind actual listings of bad dudes.
    And yes, it&#039;s true: ALL the investment institutions I dealt with at that time ARE DEFUNCT. I never trust those guys again and manage my own money. It works!
Wolf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m almost embarrassed to say that I can remember living on less than $500 for a 2 weeks vacation in Southern France in 1973.(It might give away my age,ugh, but I also have still the photos to prove it). All I needed was a couple of friends from the German Law School I was attending at that time, a VW Beetle, some sunshine, and an open mind.<br />
   I had a hard-to-get Amex card. When you used it in spare locations, the salesperson had to look up the card number in a printed book for lack of computers, the book was always 2 weeks behind actual listings of bad dudes.<br />
    And yes, it&#8217;s true: ALL the investment institutions I dealt with at that time ARE DEFUNCT. I never trust those guys again and manage my own money. It works!<br />
Wolf</p>
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		<title>By: icup</title>
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		<dc:creator>icup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t the women&#039;s end of week wages merit the same adjustment for inflation as the trip to France?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t the women&#8217;s end of week wages merit the same adjustment for inflation as the trip to France?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I must say that paying a higher rate for less ads seems a bit nuts to me, especially for a frugal person.  I can understand being willing to pay more for fewer ads on television, but you can just skip the ads in the magazine.  (Unless you&#039;re saying that you&#039;d prefer to pay more money for more content, i.e. that they&#039;d replace those ads with articles.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I must say that paying a higher rate for less ads seems a bit nuts to me, especially for a frugal person.  I can understand being willing to pay more for fewer ads on television, but you can just skip the ads in the magazine.  (Unless you&#8217;re saying that you&#8217;d prefer to pay more money for more content, i.e. that they&#8217;d replace those ads with articles.)</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe the cutting up the card requirement was because the credit card network wasn&#039;t as instantaneous a sit is now. If you canceled your card, they probably couldn&#039;t just press a button and make sure every retailer in the nation rejected your card. The only way to assure that you didn&#039;t ring up phony charges after calling to cancel and then later protesting those charges was to ensure that they had your card in their hands. Cutting it up was likely to ensure that no one stole it from the mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe the cutting up the card requirement was because the credit card network wasn&#8217;t as instantaneous a sit is now. If you canceled your card, they probably couldn&#8217;t just press a button and make sure every retailer in the nation rejected your card. The only way to assure that you didn&#8217;t ring up phony charges after calling to cancel and then later protesting those charges was to ensure that they had your card in their hands. Cutting it up was likely to ensure that no one stole it from the mail.</p>
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