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	<title>Comments on: Am I Better Off Seeking Higher Pay or Learning How to Spend Less?</title>
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		<title>By: Maddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post! Spend less is the key because even in the worse times you&#039;ll be able to adapt and be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post! Spend less is the key because even in the worse times you&#8217;ll be able to adapt and be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Financial awareness is necessary. While I am pleased that I saved $1 on my 10lb bag of potatoes at the supermarket tonight (as compared to my usual brand), that $1 of savings, even repeated over 30 years, is not enough to fund my retirement. I will be looking to improve my income if at all possible--to always be improving my position, whether on the expense side (through frugality) or on the income side. both are parts of a sound personal fiscal policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Financial awareness is necessary. While I am pleased that I saved $1 on my 10lb bag of potatoes at the supermarket tonight (as compared to my usual brand), that $1 of savings, even repeated over 30 years, is not enough to fund my retirement. I will be looking to improve my income if at all possible&#8211;to always be improving my position, whether on the expense side (through frugality) or on the income side. both are parts of a sound personal fiscal policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tender spot hurting a lot? Other side too? bruises on your face and body throbbing? Is that blood running out your nose, skirt above your head in the wind, panties torn and soiled, titties swelling and turning blue by the minute, lost on the roadside, hoping not to die? Did you recognize the tail lights of the limo that threw you off? Was it the same limo that picked you up at election time, promising a good decent clean ride? Will you ever learn? Last time these guys did this to you, your babies were killed in Iraq and your retirement fund spent to do it, your taxes went up, you did not get destroyed by the weapons of mass destruction, they were never found. Poor little America. Our  heart-felt prayers from Canada go out to you!
(Don&#039;t muzzle me, let the truth out! cut me copy me paste me spread me like grease!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tender spot hurting a lot? Other side too? bruises on your face and body throbbing? Is that blood running out your nose, skirt above your head in the wind, panties torn and soiled, titties swelling and turning blue by the minute, lost on the roadside, hoping not to die? Did you recognize the tail lights of the limo that threw you off? Was it the same limo that picked you up at election time, promising a good decent clean ride? Will you ever learn? Last time these guys did this to you, your babies were killed in Iraq and your retirement fund spent to do it, your taxes went up, you did not get destroyed by the weapons of mass destruction, they were never found. Poor little America. Our  heart-felt prayers from Canada go out to you!<br />
(Don&#8217;t muzzle me, let the truth out! cut me copy me paste me spread me like grease!)</p>
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		<title>By: tejas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tejas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Stretch your legs only as much as your blanket is!&quot;. This is a proverb in my indian(asian) native language - marathi. In this context, it means you have to always look at your pocket, before you spend.
I agree with Trent. You should pursue career and better opportunities to create wealth, if you can balance that with piece of mind and other values in life. But practicing frugality is a virtue, which does not ask of you anything more than practicing frugality (watching what you spend and how much value you get by that expense).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stretch your legs only as much as your blanket is!&#8221;. This is a proverb in my indian(asian) native language &#8211; marathi. In this context, it means you have to always look at your pocket, before you spend.<br />
I agree with Trent. You should pursue career and better opportunities to create wealth, if you can balance that with piece of mind and other values in life. But practicing frugality is a virtue, which does not ask of you anything more than practicing frugality (watching what you spend and how much value you get by that expense).</p>
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		<title>By: Manhood Manual</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manhood Manual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To echo the statements of several others, the best path is to be frugal while working to increase your income. But increasing your income doesn&#039;t need to consume your life.

Instead of spending more time working at your job in the hopes of getting a raise, why not take advantage of the many opportunities to add to your income online? It&#039;s not easy, and it&#039;s not for everyone, but it&#039;s worth considering.

I also agree strongly with your point about priorities. Spending more time with my family is my main goal. Making more money to give them a better life is important too, of course. But making money at the expense of spending time with them is counter-productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To echo the statements of several others, the best path is to be frugal while working to increase your income. But increasing your income doesn&#8217;t need to consume your life.</p>
<p>Instead of spending more time working at your job in the hopes of getting a raise, why not take advantage of the many opportunities to add to your income online? It&#8217;s not easy, and it&#8217;s not for everyone, but it&#8217;s worth considering.</p>
<p>I also agree strongly with your point about priorities. Spending more time with my family is my main goal. Making more money to give them a better life is important too, of course. But making money at the expense of spending time with them is counter-productive.</p>
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		<title>By: DivaJean</title>
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		<dc:creator>DivaJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for spending less. I could earn more in seeking a higher paying position in my company- but I would be sacrificing time with my family as it is expected I would work 20 more hours/week. 

I would much rather have us pinch pennies (we do until Lincoln is crying in pain!) to allow for more family time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for spending less. I could earn more in seeking a higher paying position in my company- but I would be sacrificing time with my family as it is expected I would work 20 more hours/week. </p>
<p>I would much rather have us pinch pennies (we do until Lincoln is crying in pain!) to allow for more family time.</p>
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		<title>By: Christa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Trent on this one. 
Spending less is more important than the sacrifice of your family.
Well Said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Trent on this one.<br />
Spending less is more important than the sacrifice of your family.<br />
Well Said!</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even minimum wage earners can waste money.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s important to practice both frugality and the pursuit of higher and/or additional income opportunities.

As to V&#039;s comments, frugality does not necessarily mean you have to have a lower standard of living.  Frugality doesn&#039;t require &quot;doing without&quot;... you just use the things you have more wisely, waste less, etc.  Don&#039;t mistake frugality for being &quot;cheap&quot;.  And doing both will not end up squishing you like a grape.  Look at Sam Walton... he did not live lavishly, and he could hardly be mistaken for road jelly... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even minimum wage earners can waste money.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s important to practice both frugality and the pursuit of higher and/or additional income opportunities.</p>
<p>As to V&#8217;s comments, frugality does not necessarily mean you have to have a lower standard of living.  Frugality doesn&#8217;t require &#8220;doing without&#8221;&#8230; you just use the things you have more wisely, waste less, etc.  Don&#8217;t mistake frugality for being &#8220;cheap&#8221;.  And doing both will not end up squishing you like a grape.  Look at Sam Walton&#8230; he did not live lavishly, and he could hardly be mistaken for road jelly&#8230; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: jayfoss</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayfoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s one point I don&#039;t see in this post -- which is that one doesn&#039;t always control one&#039;s career but you do control your spending. As you work hard on your career, you&#039;re going to be hit by changes in management, industries, etc. As ou get older you&#039;ll also find fewer opportunities, in many industries. 

Working hard for advancement AND keeping spending under control means a hiccup in your career development is not going to be a disaster.

Thanks for a great article! Go simpledollar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one point I don&#8217;t see in this post &#8212; which is that one doesn&#8217;t always control one&#8217;s career but you do control your spending. As you work hard on your career, you&#8217;re going to be hit by changes in management, industries, etc. As ou get older you&#8217;ll also find fewer opportunities, in many industries. </p>
<p>Working hard for advancement AND keeping spending under control means a hiccup in your career development is not going to be a disaster.</p>
<p>Thanks for a great article! Go simpledollar!</p>
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		<title>By: guinness416</title>
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		<dc:creator>guinness416</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, &quot;employment matching&quot; should of course be &quot;retirement matching&quot; above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, &#8220;employment matching&#8221; should of course be &#8220;retirement matching&#8221; above.</p>
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		<title>By: guinness416</title>
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		<dc:creator>guinness416</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a very nice paycheque, but the benefits - employment matching, health/dental, generous expenses, paid education, opportunities to train people, office ski trips, etc - I get could never be achieved by &quot;being frugal&quot;.  It&#039;s been my experience that the higher my income the better the benefits, which may not be the case for everyone, but must be considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a very nice paycheque, but the benefits &#8211; employment matching, health/dental, generous expenses, paid education, opportunities to train people, office ski trips, etc &#8211; I get could never be achieved by &#8220;being frugal&#8221;.  It&#8217;s been my experience that the higher my income the better the benefits, which may not be the case for everyone, but must be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is generally more effective to save $100 than to earn $100. This is because of income tax. In Canada, in the lowest tax bracket, you need to earn around $140 in order to keep $100 in your pocket. Employment deductions and taxes take the rest. If you save $100 you keep all of that $100. So saving $100 is that same as earning $140! Saving rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is generally more effective to save $100 than to earn $100. This is because of income tax. In Canada, in the lowest tax bracket, you need to earn around $140 in order to keep $100 in your pocket. Employment deductions and taxes take the rest. If you save $100 you keep all of that $100. So saving $100 is that same as earning $140! Saving rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: MossySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>MossySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who followed the entrepreneur path, I will say frugality is more important. You don&#039;t start a business and immediately lease a Mercedes SL500 as your company car. You watch and pinch every penny. You cobble computer equipment together from spare parts. You mop the floors yourself. And you&#039;d better tighten your belt on the personal side also because during months customer demand is down or are late paying because their accounting department sucks, you still have to pay rent/mortgage and put food in your mouth.

Even after your company matures and you start earning a nice income, you still have to save a ton to prepare for inevitable growth pains and marketplace changes. I can tell you from experience that when new opportunities come knocking, it costs money to open the door. That big new client requires your infrastructure be in place right from the start -- not 6 months into the contract after they&#039;ve finally paid you enough money to upgrade your staff/hardware/software/inventory/etc.

So anyone who thinks they can be an entrepeneur and avoid frugality is sorely mistaken or is extremely lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who followed the entrepreneur path, I will say frugality is more important. You don&#8217;t start a business and immediately lease a Mercedes SL500 as your company car. You watch and pinch every penny. You cobble computer equipment together from spare parts. You mop the floors yourself. And you&#8217;d better tighten your belt on the personal side also because during months customer demand is down or are late paying because their accounting department sucks, you still have to pay rent/mortgage and put food in your mouth.</p>
<p>Even after your company matures and you start earning a nice income, you still have to save a ton to prepare for inevitable growth pains and marketplace changes. I can tell you from experience that when new opportunities come knocking, it costs money to open the door. That big new client requires your infrastructure be in place right from the start &#8212; not 6 months into the contract after they&#8217;ve finally paid you enough money to upgrade your staff/hardware/software/inventory/etc.</p>
<p>So anyone who thinks they can be an entrepeneur and avoid frugality is sorely mistaken or is extremely lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Reagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In &quot;Millionaire Next Door,&quot; the authors call higher income &quot;good offense&quot; and lower spending &quot;good defense.&quot;  

Championships (e.g., early retirement) require both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In &#8220;Millionaire Next Door,&#8221; the authors call higher income &#8220;good offense&#8221; and lower spending &#8220;good defense.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Championships (e.g., early retirement) require both.</p>
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		<title>By: robtwister</title>
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		<dc:creator>robtwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can think of them (frugality and higher income) as complementary to each other.

By living frugally and making every penny count, you train yourself to be more focused and to simplify your life. And this increased focus and simplification leads to you becoming more productive which leads to a higher income.

I don&#039;t necessarily think in terms of &#039;higher pay&#039;, but rather, in terms continuous self development. Then the increased wealth will follow naturally, whether through salaried income or from improving your business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can think of them (frugality and higher income) as complementary to each other.</p>
<p>By living frugally and making every penny count, you train yourself to be more focused and to simplify your life. And this increased focus and simplification leads to you becoming more productive which leads to a higher income.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily think in terms of &#8216;higher pay&#8217;, but rather, in terms continuous self development. Then the increased wealth will follow naturally, whether through salaried income or from improving your business.</p>
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		<title>By: infix</title>
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		<dc:creator>infix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frugality is more of a sure thing.  You can bust your a$$ at work and still not end up with much of a raise beyond a COLA.  Wages have been flat in real terms for the last 10 years at least.

Besides, when you get paid more, you get taxed more.

I&#039;m not saying one shouldn&#039;t look into ways to makre more money, just that more often than not they  don&#039;t pan out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frugality is more of a sure thing.  You can bust your a$$ at work and still not end up with much of a raise beyond a COLA.  Wages have been flat in real terms for the last 10 years at least.</p>
<p>Besides, when you get paid more, you get taxed more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying one shouldn&#8217;t look into ways to makre more money, just that more often than not they  don&#8217;t pan out.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent:

I enjoy your blog and obviously you love your washing machine, but I think your analysis of the washing machine purchase is seriously flawed and you should quite using it as an example.

Why is your analysis flawed?  

Flaw 1 - You used a 5 year life for the cheap top loader washing machine at $400 and a 12 year life for the front loader at $1200 a pop.  The average top loader actually lasts 14 years* while your front loader on average will last 11* years (very similar to your 12).  PS - My POS washer has lasted 8 years already.

Flaw 2 - You then assumed savings of only $400 over 20 years.  The savings per year for an energy star model could actually be as $100 over a 1994 model washer.

Flaw 3 - You assumed you had to spend $1200 to get the energy star model front loader.  I don&#039;t know what consumer reports says about ge but the energy star front loader with a 3.5 capacity at home depot is $550.  You can pick up a top loader cheapo for $299 (not energy star).

Flaw 4 - You ignored the time value of money.  This is a huge flaw.  

New assumptions based on the flaws above- 
a.$1200 Trent washer lasts 12 years
b.$299 Cheapo washer only lasts 6 years (less than the 14 year average life of a top loader
c.Funds saved on the cheapo are used to pay mortgage at 6% (discount rate)
d.Cheapo costs $100 more per year to operate
e.Energy star models are the norm in 6 years and FIL buys a cheapo one negating the difference in energy usage.

Under these assumptions you father in law is $200 ahead of you in present value $&#039;s  

Alternatively, he could just buy the $550 energy star model at home depot when his POS breaks and have an extra $650 in his pocket (that&#039;s what I would do).

Under either case, he is ahead of your $1200 washer.  Like I said, please quit telling us how far ahead you are by blowing $1200 on washing machine.  With the exception of that, I enjoy your blog.

Todd

*http://www.demesne.info/Home-Maintenance/Appliance-Life-Expectancy.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent:</p>
<p>I enjoy your blog and obviously you love your washing machine, but I think your analysis of the washing machine purchase is seriously flawed and you should quite using it as an example.</p>
<p>Why is your analysis flawed?  </p>
<p>Flaw 1 &#8211; You used a 5 year life for the cheap top loader washing machine at $400 and a 12 year life for the front loader at $1200 a pop.  The average top loader actually lasts 14 years* while your front loader on average will last 11* years (very similar to your 12).  PS &#8211; My POS washer has lasted 8 years already.</p>
<p>Flaw 2 &#8211; You then assumed savings of only $400 over 20 years.  The savings per year for an energy star model could actually be as $100 over a 1994 model washer.</p>
<p>Flaw 3 &#8211; You assumed you had to spend $1200 to get the energy star model front loader.  I don&#8217;t know what consumer reports says about ge but the energy star front loader with a 3.5 capacity at home depot is $550.  You can pick up a top loader cheapo for $299 (not energy star).</p>
<p>Flaw 4 &#8211; You ignored the time value of money.  This is a huge flaw.  </p>
<p>New assumptions based on the flaws above-<br />
a.$1200 Trent washer lasts 12 years<br />
b.$299 Cheapo washer only lasts 6 years (less than the 14 year average life of a top loader<br />
c.Funds saved on the cheapo are used to pay mortgage at 6% (discount rate)<br />
d.Cheapo costs $100 more per year to operate<br />
e.Energy star models are the norm in 6 years and FIL buys a cheapo one negating the difference in energy usage.</p>
<p>Under these assumptions you father in law is $200 ahead of you in present value $&#8217;s  </p>
<p>Alternatively, he could just buy the $550 energy star model at home depot when his POS breaks and have an extra $650 in his pocket (that&#8217;s what I would do).</p>
<p>Under either case, he is ahead of your $1200 washer.  Like I said, please quit telling us how far ahead you are by blowing $1200 on washing machine.  With the exception of that, I enjoy your blog.</p>
<p>Todd</p>
<p>*http://www.demesne.info/Home-Maintenance/Appliance-Life-Expectancy.htm</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that nobody&#039;s mentioned yet is how a progressive income tax confuzzles the situation.  Here in the US of A, the proportion of one&#039;s income paid in taxes increases with one&#039;s income.  I thought I&#039;d be psyched to hit six figures, until I saw what it did to my take-home pay.  

I think it was Andrew Tobias who pointed out that a penny saved is actually TWO pennies earned, because you&#039;d have to earn two pennies to keep one!  In it&#039;s simplest form, saving a dollar puts an extra dollar in your pocket, whereas earning another dollar only gets you 80 cents.  And under a progressive income tax, earning a 2 dollars doesn&#039;t get you 1.60, it gets you 1.40, while saving 2 dollars let&#039;s you keep (that&#039;s right) 2 dollars.

Does that mean you should let the gub&#039;mint quash your ambition by taxing your earnings?  Not necessarily.  If you can fit entrepreneurship into your career plans and get taxed favorably as business, then it&#039;s not as much of an issue.  But for the vast majority of workaday Americans (and others with similar tax laws) taxes are a huge factor in the &quot;earn vs. save&quot; issue.

Personally, Yoda and Miyagi aside, I do both.  I maximize my heavily taxed earnings while living frugally and investing in starting my own business to take advantage of favorable taxation. I&#039;ll bet I was the highest paid guy on the bus today packing leftovers for lunch and reading a library book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that nobody&#8217;s mentioned yet is how a progressive income tax confuzzles the situation.  Here in the US of A, the proportion of one&#8217;s income paid in taxes increases with one&#8217;s income.  I thought I&#8217;d be psyched to hit six figures, until I saw what it did to my take-home pay.  </p>
<p>I think it was Andrew Tobias who pointed out that a penny saved is actually TWO pennies earned, because you&#8217;d have to earn two pennies to keep one!  In it&#8217;s simplest form, saving a dollar puts an extra dollar in your pocket, whereas earning another dollar only gets you 80 cents.  And under a progressive income tax, earning a 2 dollars doesn&#8217;t get you 1.60, it gets you 1.40, while saving 2 dollars let&#8217;s you keep (that&#8217;s right) 2 dollars.</p>
<p>Does that mean you should let the gub&#8217;mint quash your ambition by taxing your earnings?  Not necessarily.  If you can fit entrepreneurship into your career plans and get taxed favorably as business, then it&#8217;s not as much of an issue.  But for the vast majority of workaday Americans (and others with similar tax laws) taxes are a huge factor in the &#8220;earn vs. save&#8221; issue.</p>
<p>Personally, Yoda and Miyagi aside, I do both.  I maximize my heavily taxed earnings while living frugally and investing in starting my own business to take advantage of favorable taxation. I&#8217;ll bet I was the highest paid guy on the bus today packing leftovers for lunch and reading a library book.</p>
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		<title>By: MS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awwwwwww! Debbie M stole my answer! Seriously, it&#039;s a question of where the opportunities lie.  If you&#039;re making minimum wage, there is a lot more room to grow the income and precious little room for additional savings.  If you&#039;re spending all of your six-figure income, then there is a lot more room to cut expenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awwwwwww! Debbie M stole my answer! Seriously, it&#8217;s a question of where the opportunities lie.  If you&#8217;re making minimum wage, there is a lot more room to grow the income and precious little room for additional savings.  If you&#8217;re spending all of your six-figure income, then there is a lot more room to cut expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: UltraRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>UltraRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except for CEO&#039;s and movie starts making many millions a year, you can always spend more than what you make.  It seems some of those making millions still can do it.

It&#039;s a balance.  I&#039;m thinking of quiting my current job and taking one that pays somewhat less.  My current job expects 50 hour weeks and they think 60 isn&#039;t unreasonable.  The manager at the other company doesn&#039;t want people working over 40 hours because she thinks they need a life.  I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except for CEO&#8217;s and movie starts making many millions a year, you can always spend more than what you make.  It seems some of those making millions still can do it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a balance.  I&#8217;m thinking of quiting my current job and taking one that pays somewhat less.  My current job expects 50 hour weeks and they think 60 isn&#8217;t unreasonable.  The manager at the other company doesn&#8217;t want people working over 40 hours because she thinks they need a life.  I agree.</p>
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