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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/11/11/review-fooled-by-randomness/#comment-753356</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just finished Fooled by Randomness (2nd Edition) and can&#039;t disagree more with the comments that Taleb is arrogant, smug, has a huge ego etc (no, I&#039;m not the author and I don&#039;t know him personally). The book is excellent and truly makes you think on a lot of levels. And I actually appreciated the poking of fun at the so-called &quot;experts&quot; &amp; MBAs (Taleb has one too and pokes fun at himself on occasion). Note also that on the second edition&#039;s cover the quote from Gladwell now refers to 95 theses - the original error may have been Gladwell&#039;s and not necessarily attributable to slack editing. NB also that Taleb states in his acknowledgements for the first edition, &quot;He (David Wilson) also saved my idiosyncratic style from the dulling of the editing process&quot;, so the way the book reads was a deliberate choice made by the author and the publishers. Again, I found it one of the best reads ever, fresh, infomative, thought provoking and slightly provoactive. Taleb clearly doesn&#039;t suffer fools gladly:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just finished Fooled by Randomness (2nd Edition) and can&#8217;t disagree more with the comments that Taleb is arrogant, smug, has a huge ego etc (no, I&#8217;m not the author and I don&#8217;t know him personally). The book is excellent and truly makes you think on a lot of levels. And I actually appreciated the poking of fun at the so-called &#8220;experts&#8221; &amp; MBAs (Taleb has one too and pokes fun at himself on occasion). Note also that on the second edition&#8217;s cover the quote from Gladwell now refers to 95 theses &#8211; the original error may have been Gladwell&#8217;s and not necessarily attributable to slack editing. NB also that Taleb states in his acknowledgements for the first edition, &#8220;He (David Wilson) also saved my idiosyncratic style from the dulling of the editing process&#8221;, so the way the book reads was a deliberate choice made by the author and the publishers. Again, I found it one of the best reads ever, fresh, infomative, thought provoking and slightly provoactive. Taleb clearly doesn&#8217;t suffer fools gladly:)</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I trade and I loved both of his books. 
My experience has been that the best laid plans of a trader can, and do unwind, sometimes in a matter of seconds.
If the role that luck, or randomness play in the markets is not at least in the back of your mind, you WILL go broke, however, you may go broke anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trade and I loved both of his books.<br />
My experience has been that the best laid plans of a trader can, and do unwind, sometimes in a matter of seconds.<br />
If the role that luck, or randomness play in the markets is not at least in the back of your mind, you WILL go broke, however, you may go broke anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Chirayu Krishnappa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chirayu Krishnappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so glad to read a review for Fooled by Randomness on your site. I&#039;ve read this book as well as the Black Swan. It was really great for me to find someone who expounded on the role of  randomness so I didn&#039;t feel like I was the only one having such thoughts and ideas. The authors ego, however, got in the way of both books. I really wish he&#039;d have just stuck to the material as he wasn&#039;t offering anything attractive to the reader during those pieces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad to read a review for Fooled by Randomness on your site. I&#8217;ve read this book as well as the Black Swan. It was really great for me to find someone who expounded on the role of  randomness so I didn&#8217;t feel like I was the only one having such thoughts and ideas. The authors ego, however, got in the way of both books. I really wish he&#8217;d have just stuck to the material as he wasn&#8217;t offering anything attractive to the reader during those pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: lorax</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my humble opinion, two of these criticisms are off the mark.

1) The Millionaire Next Door may actually have a disclaimer somewhere in the text, but it must have been really mild compared to the (many!) implicit claims that it held the secrets to becoming rich.  I don&#039;t recall that disclaimer, at least in relation to the discussions of their surveys, how to buy cars by the pound, etc... (I do applaud the authors for treating frugalness as if it is cool - but I wish they presented their work more rigorously.)

2) In my experience, the author of a book rarely has input to the title, never mind quotes on the paperback version.

I&#039;ve never read Taleb, but I have heard him in a couple podcasts and saw him on the Daily show.  Off the cuff, he comes off as an intense, but decent, guy.

We all need to be more mindful of randomness, if readers can get that without reading the book, more power to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my humble opinion, two of these criticisms are off the mark.</p>
<p>1) The Millionaire Next Door may actually have a disclaimer somewhere in the text, but it must have been really mild compared to the (many!) implicit claims that it held the secrets to becoming rich.  I don&#8217;t recall that disclaimer, at least in relation to the discussions of their surveys, how to buy cars by the pound, etc&#8230; (I do applaud the authors for treating frugalness as if it is cool &#8211; but I wish they presented their work more rigorously.)</p>
<p>2) In my experience, the author of a book rarely has input to the title, never mind quotes on the paperback version.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never read Taleb, but I have heard him in a couple podcasts and saw him on the Daily show.  Off the cuff, he comes off as an intense, but decent, guy.</p>
<p>We all need to be more mindful of randomness, if readers can get that without reading the book, more power to them.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[also, frugality is not the type of thinking that creates wealth; it just helps avoid poverty. Sometimes it takes lavish spending (inventions, starting a business) to create a foundation for passive income. This spending is with a goal, not random.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, frugality is not the type of thinking that creates wealth; it just helps avoid poverty. Sometimes it takes lavish spending (inventions, starting a business) to create a foundation for passive income. This spending is with a goal, not random.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this book review (and any that are truly critical) is more helpful than comments on all the great things in a book because anybody can comment on positives because it is based on opinions that are personal in origin. It&#039;s the problems that take true evaluation and critique.

If the guy is truly dillusional, it is better to not read the book, and i appreciate the warning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this book review (and any that are truly critical) is more helpful than comments on all the great things in a book because anybody can comment on positives because it is based on opinions that are personal in origin. It&#8217;s the problems that take true evaluation and critique.</p>
<p>If the guy is truly dillusional, it is better to not read the book, and i appreciate the warning.</p>
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		<title>By: Fecundity</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/11/11/review-fooled-by-randomness/#comment-108094</link>
		<dc:creator>Fecundity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too find that I put much stock on what a book has to say based on my opinion of the author&#039;s personality, be it fiction or non-fiction.  I&#039;ve stopped reading a series I absolutely loved because the author was beginning to drown in his own pomposity to the detriment of the plot and characters.

I&#039;d also like to get into a rant on this author&#039;s apparent use of evolution being &#039;fooled&#039; as an example, but this is definitely not the place for it, and I couldn&#039;t possibly be fair since I haven&#039;t read the book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too find that I put much stock on what a book has to say based on my opinion of the author&#8217;s personality, be it fiction or non-fiction.  I&#8217;ve stopped reading a series I absolutely loved because the author was beginning to drown in his own pomposity to the detriment of the plot and characters.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to get into a rant on this author&#8217;s apparent use of evolution being &#8216;fooled&#8217; as an example, but this is definitely not the place for it, and I couldn&#8217;t possibly be fair since I haven&#8217;t read the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Little Miss Moneybags</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Miss Moneybags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I SO agree with you, Trent. I had a very hard time finishing this book because the author was so conceited and it didn&#039;t seem to have been edited or fact-checked at all. 

I&#039;ll still read The Black Swan...if I can just see around Taleb&#039;s ego, maybe I&#039;ll get what I&#039;ve been hearing about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I SO agree with you, Trent. I had a very hard time finishing this book because the author was so conceited and it didn&#8217;t seem to have been edited or fact-checked at all. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll still read The Black Swan&#8230;if I can just see around Taleb&#8217;s ego, maybe I&#8217;ll get what I&#8217;ve been hearing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: plonkee</title>
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		<dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also liked this book. I think you have to try really hard to compensate for survivorship bias in your thinking. That doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that frugality is wrong, just that it doesn&#039;t matter what you do, you have to be a little lucky to be rich (or alternatively avoid some bad luck).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also liked this book. I think you have to try really hard to compensate for survivorship bias in your thinking. That doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that frugality is wrong, just that it doesn&#8217;t matter what you do, you have to be a little lucky to be rich (or alternatively avoid some bad luck).</p>
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		<title>By: robtwister</title>
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		<dc:creator>robtwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting review, I was planning to pick up Fooled by Randomness after reading The Black Swan, also from the same author. As The Black Swan is one of my top two favorite books I read this year.

I saw an interview with Taleb on CSPAN BookTV, and the guy was fun, though I think quite frustrating for the interviewer. While I would agree that he does come off as an arrogant and too confident of his own beliefs, he did seem like someone I would get along with in real life (and I usually don&#039;t like arrogant people). Though I can understand how he would be Trent&#039;s polar opposite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting review, I was planning to pick up Fooled by Randomness after reading The Black Swan, also from the same author. As The Black Swan is one of my top two favorite books I read this year.</p>
<p>I saw an interview with Taleb on CSPAN BookTV, and the guy was fun, though I think quite frustrating for the interviewer. While I would agree that he does come off as an arrogant and too confident of his own beliefs, he did seem like someone I would get along with in real life (and I usually don&#8217;t like arrogant people). Though I can understand how he would be Trent&#8217;s polar opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like it when people refuse to acknowledge randomness and think everything happens for a reason.  Just a random thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like it when people refuse to acknowledge randomness and think everything happens for a reason.  Just a random thought.</p>
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		<title>By: shadox</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A comment on your #8 point - 

Just because the Millionaire Next Door book acknowledges that they are susceptible to survivor bias, doesn&#039;t make that bias any less real. 

The book may be acknowledging the bias, but how many readers (including most of us PF bloggers) ignore that bias and are simply infatuated with the idea of becoming rich through frugality?

Maybe what the Taleb is saying is that, yes, you can become rich through frugality, but the odds are against you. Maybe there is a better strategy that you could follow, instead of focusing on frugality, if only your heart wasn&#039;t already captured by the Millionaire Next Door philosophy?

Just a thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment on your #8 point &#8211; </p>
<p>Just because the Millionaire Next Door book acknowledges that they are susceptible to survivor bias, doesn&#8217;t make that bias any less real. </p>
<p>The book may be acknowledging the bias, but how many readers (including most of us PF bloggers) ignore that bias and are simply infatuated with the idea of becoming rich through frugality?</p>
<p>Maybe what the Taleb is saying is that, yes, you can become rich through frugality, but the odds are against you. Maybe there is a better strategy that you could follow, instead of focusing on frugality, if only your heart wasn&#8217;t already captured by the Millionaire Next Door philosophy?</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent,

I can certainly understand your thoughts regarding the author&#039;s presentation of himself.  I concur that the author has a very high opinion of himself, yet I always felt that it was more of a cultural thing rather than overt, conscious smugness.  His  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;webpage&lt;/a&gt; links to a lot of other interesting material he&#039;s written and has some additional background.

In spite of that, I think this book and The Black Swan are probably the two that have most influenced my thinking over the past 10 years.  I work in an environment where statistics are frequently beaten, bent, and forced into positions that they have no business being in, and it&#039;s wonderful to have someone knowledgeable calling out the charlatans on what they are doing.  

As NNT says himself, &quot;My major hobby is teasing people who take themselves &amp; the quality of their knowledge too seriously &amp; those who don’t have the guts to sometimes say: I don’t know....&quot;  I think that&#039;s a cause we can all get behind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent,</p>
<p>I can certainly understand your thoughts regarding the author&#8217;s presentation of himself.  I concur that the author has a very high opinion of himself, yet I always felt that it was more of a cultural thing rather than overt, conscious smugness.  His  <a href="http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/" rel="nofollow">webpage</a> links to a lot of other interesting material he&#8217;s written and has some additional background.</p>
<p>In spite of that, I think this book and The Black Swan are probably the two that have most influenced my thinking over the past 10 years.  I work in an environment where statistics are frequently beaten, bent, and forced into positions that they have no business being in, and it&#8217;s wonderful to have someone knowledgeable calling out the charlatans on what they are doing.  </p>
<p>As NNT says himself, &#8220;My major hobby is teasing people who take themselves &amp; the quality of their knowledge too seriously &amp; those who don’t have the guts to sometimes say: I don’t know&#8230;.&#8221;  I think that&#8217;s a cause we can all get behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Sarcastic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Sarcastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Black Swan was also hamstrung by the author&#039;s throbbingly huge ego.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Swan was also hamstrung by the author&#8217;s throbbingly huge ego.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent,

Don&#039;t be so quick to judge - The Black Swan is an incredible book, although it&#039;s hard to follow at time, and is filled with powerful ideas.

Part of his point throughout the entire book goes hand in hand with Warren Buffett and his saying that it is better to be approximately right than precisely wrong.

I haven&#039;t read Fooled By Randomness, but The Black Swan is something that a LOT of people need to read, especially all of Wall Street, which is chock full of people who, after enough years have passed, are proved to be precisely wrong instead of approximately right.

Yes, his thoughts do come through a bit strongly in The Black Swan, but rightfully so to someone who is fed up with the nonsense of &#039;experts&#039; who create such dangerous financial situations by believing that things can be carefully measured and predicted based on normal probabilities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be so quick to judge &#8211; The Black Swan is an incredible book, although it&#8217;s hard to follow at time, and is filled with powerful ideas.</p>
<p>Part of his point throughout the entire book goes hand in hand with Warren Buffett and his saying that it is better to be approximately right than precisely wrong.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read Fooled By Randomness, but The Black Swan is something that a LOT of people need to read, especially all of Wall Street, which is chock full of people who, after enough years have passed, are proved to be precisely wrong instead of approximately right.</p>
<p>Yes, his thoughts do come through a bit strongly in The Black Swan, but rightfully so to someone who is fed up with the nonsense of &#8216;experts&#8217; who create such dangerous financial situations by believing that things can be carefully measured and predicted based on normal probabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeguard1999</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifeguard1999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the review.  Personally, I liked the book and would probably read it again.  I will agree that the author&#039;s attitude needs a bit of readjusting.  A nice pin-prick to his balloon-sized head would be nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the review.  Personally, I liked the book and would probably read it again.  I will agree that the author&#8217;s attitude needs a bit of readjusting.  A nice pin-prick to his balloon-sized head would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I had to guess a Taleb book by its cover, I&#039;d guess that it would be thought provoking and interesting, but full of hubris and individual factual mistakes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to guess a Taleb book by its cover, I&#8217;d guess that it would be thought provoking and interesting, but full of hubris and individual factual mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t be too quick to blame the 95 Theses error on fact checking.  It could as easily be a typo that was missed during the final editing stages.  We&#039;d like to THINK that editors actually edit, but sometimes, things fall through the cracks.  

I haven&#039;t read this specific book, but I had planned to read THE BLACK SWAN by the same author.  Now I&#039;m not sure I will.  Thanks for the review!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be too quick to blame the 95 Theses error on fact checking.  It could as easily be a typo that was missed during the final editing stages.  We&#8217;d like to THINK that editors actually edit, but sometimes, things fall through the cracks.  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read this specific book, but I had planned to read THE BLACK SWAN by the same author.  Now I&#8217;m not sure I will.  Thanks for the review!</p>
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