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	<title>Comments on: Should You Help People Who Won&#8217;t Help Themselves?</title>
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		<title>By: MikeVx</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeVx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend who claims to be on the edge financially.  He was working three jobs at one point and is now down to one and he complains a lot about the situation.  He feels that he has done everything he can to deal with the situation and has no options, but as is often the case, it is that he does not like the options he has.

He cannot be convinced of this, but he is an angerholic.  He cannot stay in a calm state for any length of time.  He complains about his medical expenses, most of which are due to his constant stress at being angry all the time.  He refuses to pay for medical treatment for a problem that could well kill him because he refuses to go any further in debt. (For critical things, no debt, for fluff, more on this later.)

Among his other problems, he has priorities that I cannot figure out.  Two years ago, when he had three jobs going and was still not making as much s I am, he bought a new car that I could not have justified, and I have no dependents, he has a wife and two kids.  Now for all his complaints about finances, let the car, or his house or property develop an imperfection, and nothing will stand in the way of &quot;fixing&quot; it.

Like pretty much everyone else in this sort of situation, he wants some sort of magic fix that requires no sacrifice on his part.  He asks me how I do it, and I tell him, and he doesn&#039;t change a thing.  He doesn&#039;t want to hear that he needs to ditch the car with the payments and buy a $300 beater until he is out of trouble.  He complains about the electric bill, but suggest putting power strips on all the wall warts and he comes up with the wife and kids could not figure it out or would never turn them off once on.  CF lights? &quot;Too f-ing ugly.&quot;

I have an exposed CF over my head right now.  Back when I bought it there were no lights small enough for a ceiling fixture with the diffuser in place.  I&#039;ll replace it when it dies, however many years that takes.  Ugly, maybe, but my electric bill is anemic, and I like it that way.

There comes a point where you just clear the station of people and wait for the crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend who claims to be on the edge financially.  He was working three jobs at one point and is now down to one and he complains a lot about the situation.  He feels that he has done everything he can to deal with the situation and has no options, but as is often the case, it is that he does not like the options he has.</p>
<p>He cannot be convinced of this, but he is an angerholic.  He cannot stay in a calm state for any length of time.  He complains about his medical expenses, most of which are due to his constant stress at being angry all the time.  He refuses to pay for medical treatment for a problem that could well kill him because he refuses to go any further in debt. (For critical things, no debt, for fluff, more on this later.)</p>
<p>Among his other problems, he has priorities that I cannot figure out.  Two years ago, when he had three jobs going and was still not making as much s I am, he bought a new car that I could not have justified, and I have no dependents, he has a wife and two kids.  Now for all his complaints about finances, let the car, or his house or property develop an imperfection, and nothing will stand in the way of &#8220;fixing&#8221; it.</p>
<p>Like pretty much everyone else in this sort of situation, he wants some sort of magic fix that requires no sacrifice on his part.  He asks me how I do it, and I tell him, and he doesn&#8217;t change a thing.  He doesn&#8217;t want to hear that he needs to ditch the car with the payments and buy a $300 beater until he is out of trouble.  He complains about the electric bill, but suggest putting power strips on all the wall warts and he comes up with the wife and kids could not figure it out or would never turn them off once on.  CF lights? &#8220;Too f-ing ugly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have an exposed CF over my head right now.  Back when I bought it there were no lights small enough for a ceiling fixture with the diffuser in place.  I&#8217;ll replace it when it dies, however many years that takes.  Ugly, maybe, but my electric bill is anemic, and I like it that way.</p>
<p>There comes a point where you just clear the station of people and wait for the crash.</p>
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		<title>By: KM</title>
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		<dc:creator>KM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post - But what if that person is your parent, and their excessive spending and lack of savings mean that YOU will be covering for them in the future, when they can&#039;t work anymore, have no retirement savings and have borrowed all their home equity? This is my situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post &#8211; But what if that person is your parent, and their excessive spending and lack of savings mean that YOU will be covering for them in the future, when they can&#8217;t work anymore, have no retirement savings and have borrowed all their home equity? This is my situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing you can do is help out with the kids.  Take them to the park, buy them ice cream, take them to the cheap movies, tell them they are good kids (even kids who aren&#039;t well behaved need to know that they do have good attributes).

This will free up time for your friend.  Tell him you are doing this to give him the time he needs to try and figure things out, find a better job, get off the drugs.

If the children are in danger, then there should be a family intervention or social services involved.  Why isn&#039;t the family helping him as a whole?  Start talking to them and tell them you are worried and there has to be something they can all do.

If he asks you for money, by all means say no, but don&#039;t say NO.  Ask him if there&#039;s a bill you can help him pay or food you can buy for the family.  Don&#039;t hand him cash, take him shopping for food or ask him for a copy of the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing you can do is help out with the kids.  Take them to the park, buy them ice cream, take them to the cheap movies, tell them they are good kids (even kids who aren&#8217;t well behaved need to know that they do have good attributes).</p>
<p>This will free up time for your friend.  Tell him you are doing this to give him the time he needs to try and figure things out, find a better job, get off the drugs.</p>
<p>If the children are in danger, then there should be a family intervention or social services involved.  Why isn&#8217;t the family helping him as a whole?  Start talking to them and tell them you are worried and there has to be something they can all do.</p>
<p>If he asks you for money, by all means say no, but don&#8217;t say NO.  Ask him if there&#8217;s a bill you can help him pay or food you can buy for the family.  Don&#8217;t hand him cash, take him shopping for food or ask him for a copy of the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bob

If your brother qualifies for the military, it may be just what he needs.  &quot;Stubborn&quot; or not, he&#039;ll learn to listen.  That&#039;s for sure.</description>
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<p>If your brother qualifies for the military, it may be just what he needs.  &#8220;Stubborn&#8221; or not, he&#8217;ll learn to listen.  That&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: al</title>
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		<dc:creator>al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your issue with wanting to/how to help him.

The best thing I came across was in this book on parenting:
http://www.amazon.com/How-Great-Dad-Ian-Bruce/dp/0572031343

One section of the book covers being a parent to an adult - and the issues with offering advice and being able to let go.  I found it extremely relevant to dealing with family members who have problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your issue with wanting to/how to help him.</p>
<p>The best thing I came across was in this book on parenting:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/How-Great-Dad-Ian-Bruce/dp/0572031343" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/How-Great-Dad-Ian-Bruce/dp/0572031343</a></p>
<p>One section of the book covers being a parent to an adult &#8211; and the issues with offering advice and being able to let go.  I found it extremely relevant to dealing with family members who have problems.</p>
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		<title>By: mh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a cousin that had a drug problem and left his family.  He floated around for years.  My aunt would give him money; finally she had to stop.  He called her when he decided it was time to be free from the drugs.  He went into a rehab and this man is not even close to the same as he was before.  My aunt prayed for her son daily and so did other members of her family.  He did finally give his life to Jesus and he is not the same.  It was an amazing transformation.  Jesus is the only thing that can change your cousin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a cousin that had a drug problem and left his family.  He floated around for years.  My aunt would give him money; finally she had to stop.  He called her when he decided it was time to be free from the drugs.  He went into a rehab and this man is not even close to the same as he was before.  My aunt prayed for her son daily and so did other members of her family.  He did finally give his life to Jesus and he is not the same.  It was an amazing transformation.  Jesus is the only thing that can change your cousin.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really in the same boat. I have a brother who barely graduated high school, has all sorts of problems and now wants to join the military. He is so stubborn that you can&#039;t tell him anything, because he just won&#039;t listen. I&#039;m really in the same boat as you, I&#039;ve tried all I can, but I&#039;m realizing that I can&#039;t MAKE him do anything. Its sad, and I really do sympathize with you. Just wait and be there when if is ready for help. Until then, you [sadly] can&#039;t do anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really in the same boat. I have a brother who barely graduated high school, has all sorts of problems and now wants to join the military. He is so stubborn that you can&#8217;t tell him anything, because he just won&#8217;t listen. I&#8217;m really in the same boat as you, I&#8217;ve tried all I can, but I&#8217;m realizing that I can&#8217;t MAKE him do anything. Its sad, and I really do sympathize with you. Just wait and be there when if is ready for help. Until then, you [sadly] can&#8217;t do anything.</p>
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		<title>By: regina</title>
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		<dc:creator>regina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much agree with Christine&#039;s suggestion of becoming a special person in his kids&#039; lives. It sounds like they could use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much agree with Christine&#8217;s suggestion of becoming a special person in his kids&#8217; lives. It sounds like they could use it.</p>
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		<title>By: sulingsi</title>
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		<dc:creator>sulingsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to note something that has been hinted at but not specifically stated in the other comments. 

Oftentimes aid agencies face this kind of difficulty in trying to help clients who are facing these same kinds of problems. The best solution they have found is not giving money to the person, but using their money to pay for something that they hope will produce the desired positive outcome for that person.

In that vein, you could give him a Christmas present that could encourage him to get help. For example you could find some sort of personal finance or self-help class and pay for that for him. Because I agree with the above that he will not read a book, but if he has a free ticket to a class where he would have to listen to good ideas being presented... maybe... ? Well who knows but I would think more down that path...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to note something that has been hinted at but not specifically stated in the other comments. </p>
<p>Oftentimes aid agencies face this kind of difficulty in trying to help clients who are facing these same kinds of problems. The best solution they have found is not giving money to the person, but using their money to pay for something that they hope will produce the desired positive outcome for that person.</p>
<p>In that vein, you could give him a Christmas present that could encourage him to get help. For example you could find some sort of personal finance or self-help class and pay for that for him. Because I agree with the above that he will not read a book, but if he has a free ticket to a class where he would have to listen to good ideas being presented&#8230; maybe&#8230; ? Well who knows but I would think more down that path&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the responses have been wonderfully heartfelt, and right on the mark. I&#039;ve not seen any reference, however, to something I think could be the missing link. A $90 hair-sample analysis provides a fascinating blueprint of the person&#039;s body, what vitamins, minerals, food he&#039;s missing to balance his chemistry. It&#039;s a great thing to see yourself like this on paper, and by applying the suggestions provided by the company that does the analysis, the human system is invariably &quot;restored&quot; because it&#039;s balanced. Checking your urine and saliva to monitor the pH level; checking for food allergies that manifest themselves as depression or extremely low energy; eliminating sugar from the diet that brings on the &quot;sugar blues&quot;. It worked for my family so well that we will never go back to the mindless way we were living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the responses have been wonderfully heartfelt, and right on the mark. I&#8217;ve not seen any reference, however, to something I think could be the missing link. A $90 hair-sample analysis provides a fascinating blueprint of the person&#8217;s body, what vitamins, minerals, food he&#8217;s missing to balance his chemistry. It&#8217;s a great thing to see yourself like this on paper, and by applying the suggestions provided by the company that does the analysis, the human system is invariably &#8220;restored&#8221; because it&#8217;s balanced. Checking your urine and saliva to monitor the pH level; checking for food allergies that manifest themselves as depression or extremely low energy; eliminating sugar from the diet that brings on the &#8220;sugar blues&#8221;. It worked for my family so well that we will never go back to the mindless way we were living.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whew - lots of responses that I am not going to read right now, so perhaps someone has already said this: it would be a kindness to write down some of your thoughts about your past with him, and his attributes, and send him a letter. 

I don&#039;t think you should say anything about where he is now, or how he can fix his life - just give him a short, loving letter with some fond memories. If I got something like that it would be a treasured keepsake, and I think all of us can benefit by being given simple positive caring thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whew &#8211; lots of responses that I am not going to read right now, so perhaps someone has already said this: it would be a kindness to write down some of your thoughts about your past with him, and his attributes, and send him a letter. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you should say anything about where he is now, or how he can fix his life &#8211; just give him a short, loving letter with some fond memories. If I got something like that it would be a treasured keepsake, and I think all of us can benefit by being given simple positive caring thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nebula -- can his family go and physically move him out of your MIL&#039;s home?  Maybe once removed, she would be able to refuse to let him come back (maybe).  

I have to say, I wouldn&#039;t send any more money.  I know my husband has sent money a few times (3 or 4) to his parents to help pay bills, even though they usually have at least one adult child living with them at any given time (and are, in fact, raising two of their grandchildren).  There is no way we would constantly send money, though, even though most of the burden falls on MIL.  If it comes down to it, MIL can come and live here with us, but we will not support the siblings who have messed up their own lives.  Personally, I think it is very likely that MIL and FIL will end up in some sort of nursing home (they both have health issues), and at that point, I would be willing to help support them.  That is something you should consider -- an option is to stop providing support now (and maybe MIL will be forced to deal with you BIL sooner rather than later), but be prepared to help her out later after BIL has moved on or she is living in extended care because raising her grandchildren has worn her out and she&#039;s lost her home due to bad finances.  Easy for me to say, I know, but if the money your husband sends is just going to BIL anyway, then how is that different from giving the money to BIL directly?  Of course, if I were cutting off financial support, I would tell MIL why and I would constantly offer to help her out again once the situation with BIL is resolved.  You say there is no choice, but actually, there is.  It just isn&#039;t a pleasant one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nebula &#8212; can his family go and physically move him out of your MIL&#8217;s home?  Maybe once removed, she would be able to refuse to let him come back (maybe).  </p>
<p>I have to say, I wouldn&#8217;t send any more money.  I know my husband has sent money a few times (3 or 4) to his parents to help pay bills, even though they usually have at least one adult child living with them at any given time (and are, in fact, raising two of their grandchildren).  There is no way we would constantly send money, though, even though most of the burden falls on MIL.  If it comes down to it, MIL can come and live here with us, but we will not support the siblings who have messed up their own lives.  Personally, I think it is very likely that MIL and FIL will end up in some sort of nursing home (they both have health issues), and at that point, I would be willing to help support them.  That is something you should consider &#8212; an option is to stop providing support now (and maybe MIL will be forced to deal with you BIL sooner rather than later), but be prepared to help her out later after BIL has moved on or she is living in extended care because raising her grandchildren has worn her out and she&#8217;s lost her home due to bad finances.  Easy for me to say, I know, but if the money your husband sends is just going to BIL anyway, then how is that different from giving the money to BIL directly?  Of course, if I were cutting off financial support, I would tell MIL why and I would constantly offer to help her out again once the situation with BIL is resolved.  You say there is no choice, but actually, there is.  It just isn&#8217;t a pleasant one.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nebula @ 4:49 pm November 23rd, 2007
If he wants to protect his mother he needs to contact the Dept on Aging in what ever state she lives in.  In IL that is considered elder abuse, taking advantage of an older person, this includes verbal, financial, emotional.  They will send a person to check and see what is going on.  You can&#039;t help him, you can help his mom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nebula @ 4:49 pm November 23rd, 2007<br />
If he wants to protect his mother he needs to contact the Dept on Aging in what ever state she lives in.  In IL that is considered elder abuse, taking advantage of an older person, this includes verbal, financial, emotional.  They will send a person to check and see what is going on.  You can&#8217;t help him, you can help his mom.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, MW, therapists are often free or cheap.  Poke around looking for a public mental health clinic and you pay on a sliding scale...
Sharon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, MW, therapists are often free or cheap.  Poke around looking for a public mental health clinic and you pay on a sliding scale&#8230;<br />
Sharon</p>
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		<title>By: Minimum Wage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minimum Wage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 04:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terapists aren&#039;t free, and rarely cheap.  If he doesn&#039;t have money, who would pay for a therapist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terapists aren&#8217;t free, and rarely cheap.  If he doesn&#8217;t have money, who would pay for a therapist?</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/11/22/should-you-help-people-who-wont-help-themselves/comment-page-2/#comment-119459</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 04:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a retired clinical psychologist and have spent some 40 years as a psychotherapist;not tooting my own horn but want you to know where I&#039;m coming from. If he won&#039;t see a therapist (doesn&#039;t have to be a psychologist, but a medic is more likely to prescribe meds) the you can be very helpful by:
1) Avoid giving any advice, but instead:
2) Listen to him and do your best to convince him that you truly understand exactly how it is from his perspective.
3)Ask questions to clarify your &amp; his descriptions of what is going on in his life.  Don&#039;t be manipulative, trying to get him to say what YOU think, but provoke his own exploring  about anything he might do, and gracefully (from your writings it is clear that you can be very graceful) let him become aware that he is &quot;Playing &#039;yes,but&#039;&quot; as we All love to do (it&#039;s not a crime). At best you can lead him to discover it himself without your even mentioning it; at worst he simply continues it.  You might explore with him the FEELINGS of helplessness.  Non-professionals have been proven to be highly effective, so don&#039;t feel you&#039;re getting in too deep.  It is really not different from simply being loving.    Dean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a retired clinical psychologist and have spent some 40 years as a psychotherapist;not tooting my own horn but want you to know where I&#8217;m coming from. If he won&#8217;t see a therapist (doesn&#8217;t have to be a psychologist, but a medic is more likely to prescribe meds) the you can be very helpful by:<br />
1) Avoid giving any advice, but instead:<br />
2) Listen to him and do your best to convince him that you truly understand exactly how it is from his perspective.<br />
3)Ask questions to clarify your &amp; his descriptions of what is going on in his life.  Don&#8217;t be manipulative, trying to get him to say what YOU think, but provoke his own exploring  about anything he might do, and gracefully (from your writings it is clear that you can be very graceful) let him become aware that he is &#8220;Playing &#8216;yes,but&#8217;&#8221; as we All love to do (it&#8217;s not a crime). At best you can lead him to discover it himself without your even mentioning it; at worst he simply continues it.  You might explore with him the FEELINGS of helplessness.  Non-professionals have been proven to be highly effective, so don&#8217;t feel you&#8217;re getting in too deep.  It is really not different from simply being loving.    Dean</p>
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		<title>By: Tall Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/11/22/should-you-help-people-who-wont-help-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-119440</link>
		<dc:creator>Tall Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like he&#039;s see some war and burned out in some manner. Most my friends who have served have returned stressed and or completely different than they were before serving. If not military duty, then some other stressful thing has happened. Stand by with an ear when needed - but you&#039;re right to keep the checkbook at home. Play Uncle as kt suggests, which will provide the support his kids needs &amp; show them (and him) the way in a manner as to break the cycle. God Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like he&#8217;s see some war and burned out in some manner. Most my friends who have served have returned stressed and or completely different than they were before serving. If not military duty, then some other stressful thing has happened. Stand by with an ear when needed &#8211; but you&#8217;re right to keep the checkbook at home. Play Uncle as kt suggests, which will provide the support his kids needs &amp; show them (and him) the way in a manner as to break the cycle. God Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Minimum Wage</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/11/22/should-you-help-people-who-wont-help-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-119404</link>
		<dc:creator>Minimum Wage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I missed something, but I didn&#039;t figure out what he does for a living.  Does he have a consistent job, does he do odd jobs to get by, or what?  I assume he must be earning a living somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I missed something, but I didn&#8217;t figure out what he does for a living.  Does he have a consistent job, does he do odd jobs to get by, or what?  I assume he must be earning a living somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/11/22/should-you-help-people-who-wont-help-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-119403</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As others have said, I agree with most of the comments posted.  Be there as you feel comfortable.  The one caution I would raise is that you&#039;ve mentioned a drug problem.  Please be very careful about what aid you offer.  I&#039;ve had friends I would have never thought would put me in harms way, put me there because they aren&#039;t thinking rationally, or in their need they have convinced themselves that there is no risk to something they&#039;ll ask you to help them with and before you know it you&#039;re being threatened or possibly assaulted or as bad, breaking the law.  Hopefully this is not your case, but still, be careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have said, I agree with most of the comments posted.  Be there as you feel comfortable.  The one caution I would raise is that you&#8217;ve mentioned a drug problem.  Please be very careful about what aid you offer.  I&#8217;ve had friends I would have never thought would put me in harms way, put me there because they aren&#8217;t thinking rationally, or in their need they have convinced themselves that there is no risk to something they&#8217;ll ask you to help them with and before you know it you&#8217;re being threatened or possibly assaulted or as bad, breaking the law.  Hopefully this is not your case, but still, be careful.</p>
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		<title>By: Nebula</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/11/22/should-you-help-people-who-wont-help-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-119332</link>
		<dc:creator>Nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one has commented on what happens if there is no choice:  my husband&#039;s relative has been going downhill for years now (no end in sight) has two babies he is not supporting and has moved all of this into my eldery mother-in-law&#039;s house.  My husband has to send money, because otherwise his mother will overdraw her account (already overdrawn by $1500) or run up her credit card even more (already up to $11,000) trying to &quot;help&quot; him.  So my husband sees this money go up in smoke (somewhat literal, since the relative smokes as well as doing other drugs) whether he likes it or not; he wants to protect his mother but she won&#039;t refuse to help the relative who mistreats her and lives with her.  She is raising his children for him as well as doing all his laundry, cooking, chauffering, cleaning, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has commented on what happens if there is no choice:  my husband&#8217;s relative has been going downhill for years now (no end in sight) has two babies he is not supporting and has moved all of this into my eldery mother-in-law&#8217;s house.  My husband has to send money, because otherwise his mother will overdraw her account (already overdrawn by $1500) or run up her credit card even more (already up to $11,000) trying to &#8220;help&#8221; him.  So my husband sees this money go up in smoke (somewhat literal, since the relative smokes as well as doing other drugs) whether he likes it or not; he wants to protect his mother but she won&#8217;t refuse to help the relative who mistreats her and lives with her.  She is raising his children for him as well as doing all his laundry, cooking, chauffering, cleaning, etc.</p>
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