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		<title>By: conny</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/24/im-frugal-but-my-spouse-is-not/comment-page-1/#comment-341790</link>
		<dc:creator>conny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johan, terminate or start ruining your self. If she uses the rich, have money, card already. And spend money she don&#039;t have and don&#039;t intend to get, then YOU are the one that will pay the bill, over and over and...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johan, terminate or start ruining your self. If she uses the rich, have money, card already. And spend money she don&#8217;t have and don&#8217;t intend to get, then YOU are the one that will pay the bill, over and over and&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve realized that frugality doesn&#039;t necessarily depend on how much money one has, rather it is the lessons one learns.

I&#039;m 23 yrs old and in medical school. Born in a doctors&#039; family I&#039;m lucky enough that I&#039;ve never had to worry about student debt and loans, and my medical school will also be paid for by my parents. However, I&#039;m quite frugal and have lived without a car and cable TV out of choice. I also almost never eat out since I love to cook my own food. Those three things alone save me a several thousand dollars a year.

I started dating this girl a year ago who has very different ideals than I do. She grew up in a middle class Midwest family with a house and four cars that they make payments on. I expected her to be more cautious with her money than I was, but it was the opposite. She loves to shop and going to Starbucks. She has a large credit card balance, but she&#039;s working on eliminating it.

The problems started this past december when we went on a 10 day vacation together. She didn&#039;t have any money saved up so I lent her my credit card so she could get a little shopping done while we were in Puerto Rico. Well a few weeks later I looked and found that she had spent $2,000 on shoes, clothes and apparel without telling me. I knew that she had bought some items but I didn&#039;t think it polite to see how much they cost.

So we got into a little argument. She didn&#039;t know what the big deal was since I had rich parents and could pay the balance without a hassle. That didn&#039;t go over too well with me. I really love her but I didn&#039;t appreciate her spending my money without regard. I&#039;m hoping that this was out of characater and that we can talk through it using some of the tips listed on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve realized that frugality doesn&#8217;t necessarily depend on how much money one has, rather it is the lessons one learns.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 23 yrs old and in medical school. Born in a doctors&#8217; family I&#8217;m lucky enough that I&#8217;ve never had to worry about student debt and loans, and my medical school will also be paid for by my parents. However, I&#8217;m quite frugal and have lived without a car and cable TV out of choice. I also almost never eat out since I love to cook my own food. Those three things alone save me a several thousand dollars a year.</p>
<p>I started dating this girl a year ago who has very different ideals than I do. She grew up in a middle class Midwest family with a house and four cars that they make payments on. I expected her to be more cautious with her money than I was, but it was the opposite. She loves to shop and going to Starbucks. She has a large credit card balance, but she&#8217;s working on eliminating it.</p>
<p>The problems started this past december when we went on a 10 day vacation together. She didn&#8217;t have any money saved up so I lent her my credit card so she could get a little shopping done while we were in Puerto Rico. Well a few weeks later I looked and found that she had spent $2,000 on shoes, clothes and apparel without telling me. I knew that she had bought some items but I didn&#8217;t think it polite to see how much they cost.</p>
<p>So we got into a little argument. She didn&#8217;t know what the big deal was since I had rich parents and could pay the balance without a hassle. That didn&#8217;t go over too well with me. I really love her but I didn&#8217;t appreciate her spending my money without regard. I&#8217;m hoping that this was out of characater and that we can talk through it using some of the tips listed on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonnie:  As a woman married to a man who is a very poor money manager, may I suggest that you seriously think about calling it off?  You are already fighting about money!  That won&#039;t get better with an &quot;I do&quot;.  I am convinced that one of the most difficult things in a marriage is the struggle over completely different money styles.  Much as I love my husband and respect him in so many different areas, this one is a killer!  Trust me on this, you don&#039;t want to be mid-40s without a dime to show for all your hard work, and constantly paying for your spouses choices.  It takes an incredible amount of energy, love, and constant forgiveness to overlook this matter and treat your spouse with love and gentleness and respect when this is a continual issue.

If you are like me, you&#039;ve seen ads for those monster bride shows.  The one that sticks in my mind is where she whines &quot;We have the money you just don&#039;t want to spend it.&quot;  Every time I see that exchange as she tried to get him to pony up for some wildly elaborate wedding over and above their budget I think, &quot;run!&quot;  I have to assume that she will spend the rest of their lives whining to him that they could afford bigger houses, better cars, fancier vacations, and more expensive clothes.  They will wind up in bankruptcy, divorce court or he will work himself into the ground to satisfy her insatiable urge to spend more and more.

Please don&#039;t do that to yourself.  Find out where you are up front in this area.  If I had known then....this would have been a deal-breaker.  We were once in mid-vacation when I found out that he had skipped paying the mortgage to afford the vacation.  What he had done with the vacation money I still do not know.  He lives on the theory that he can always make it up next week (or next month or.....)  I could buy a Mercedes in what we have paid in late fees, overdraft charges, and over-limit fees.  For what?  How hard is it to put off a purchase or an entertainment for just a bit longer?  Financial stability provides you with peace and confidence.  Priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonnie:  As a woman married to a man who is a very poor money manager, may I suggest that you seriously think about calling it off?  You are already fighting about money!  That won&#8217;t get better with an &#8220;I do&#8221;.  I am convinced that one of the most difficult things in a marriage is the struggle over completely different money styles.  Much as I love my husband and respect him in so many different areas, this one is a killer!  Trust me on this, you don&#8217;t want to be mid-40s without a dime to show for all your hard work, and constantly paying for your spouses choices.  It takes an incredible amount of energy, love, and constant forgiveness to overlook this matter and treat your spouse with love and gentleness and respect when this is a continual issue.</p>
<p>If you are like me, you&#8217;ve seen ads for those monster bride shows.  The one that sticks in my mind is where she whines &#8220;We have the money you just don&#8217;t want to spend it.&#8221;  Every time I see that exchange as she tried to get him to pony up for some wildly elaborate wedding over and above their budget I think, &#8220;run!&#8221;  I have to assume that she will spend the rest of their lives whining to him that they could afford bigger houses, better cars, fancier vacations, and more expensive clothes.  They will wind up in bankruptcy, divorce court or he will work himself into the ground to satisfy her insatiable urge to spend more and more.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t do that to yourself.  Find out where you are up front in this area.  If I had known then&#8230;.this would have been a deal-breaker.  We were once in mid-vacation when I found out that he had skipped paying the mortgage to afford the vacation.  What he had done with the vacation money I still do not know.  He lives on the theory that he can always make it up next week (or next month or&#8230;..)  I could buy a Mercedes in what we have paid in late fees, overdraft charges, and over-limit fees.  For what?  How hard is it to put off a purchase or an entertainment for just a bit longer?  Financial stability provides you with peace and confidence.  Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: nebula</title>
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		<dc:creator>nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been married for 24 years now and have never had a single argument about money or even disagreed on a purchase.  We&#039;ve always pooled our money into one account (at the beginning we had so little it really seemed to make sense.)  The simple method we worked out spontaneously was basically this:  decide on an amount that each of you can spend without causing a financial problem.  When we first started out, before either of us made any single purchase over $20, we would consult with the other.  As the years passed and our salaries grew, this amount became larger.  Nowadays the cut-off amount would be more like $400 or $500.   If little purchases are adding up, then make it a monthly amount instead of a single purchase.  That way each person feels some freedom but each is also responsible to the other.  

My husband can&#039;t care less about finances, so I&#039;m the one who manages the money, but again, if I make a major decision such as to start an IRA or change our allocation, I always let him know.  I do our taxes, but I make him read it over and check my math--two heads are better than one! 
I respect his opinion and he trusts my judgement.  

This simple method has worked for us--we&#039;ve never gotten in debt or over our heads though we could have saved more when we were younger.  It curbs impulse buys that are later regretted and allows you to develop trust in each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been married for 24 years now and have never had a single argument about money or even disagreed on a purchase.  We&#8217;ve always pooled our money into one account (at the beginning we had so little it really seemed to make sense.)  The simple method we worked out spontaneously was basically this:  decide on an amount that each of you can spend without causing a financial problem.  When we first started out, before either of us made any single purchase over $20, we would consult with the other.  As the years passed and our salaries grew, this amount became larger.  Nowadays the cut-off amount would be more like $400 or $500.   If little purchases are adding up, then make it a monthly amount instead of a single purchase.  That way each person feels some freedom but each is also responsible to the other.  </p>
<p>My husband can&#8217;t care less about finances, so I&#8217;m the one who manages the money, but again, if I make a major decision such as to start an IRA or change our allocation, I always let him know.  I do our taxes, but I make him read it over and check my math&#8211;two heads are better than one!<br />
I respect his opinion and he trusts my judgement.  </p>
<p>This simple method has worked for us&#8211;we&#8217;ve never gotten in debt or over our heads though we could have saved more when we were younger.  It curbs impulse buys that are later regretted and allows you to develop trust in each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!  I&#039;ve been reading your site a lot lately and have taken away a lot of good tips.  When my husband and I got married (just 8 months ago!), we talked through every aspect of our finances.  We basically have the same goals of living modestly and balancing savings with debt reduction (we&#039;re currently paying on both of our student loans and one car payment in addition to our mortgage).  *We found that giving ourselves a fixed &#039;allowance&#039; each week helped solve the spending dilema.  It also alleviates any sort of guilt associated with making a purchase.  We know that we&#039;ve set up all our savings automatically through ING, so we don&#039;t feel bad spending our weekly allowance on a book or saving it for a couple of weeks to buy a video game or a nice dinner out.  We&#039;ve found this to be a really healthly balance for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!  I&#8217;ve been reading your site a lot lately and have taken away a lot of good tips.  When my husband and I got married (just 8 months ago!), we talked through every aspect of our finances.  We basically have the same goals of living modestly and balancing savings with debt reduction (we&#8217;re currently paying on both of our student loans and one car payment in addition to our mortgage).  *We found that giving ourselves a fixed &#8216;allowance&#8217; each week helped solve the spending dilema.  It also alleviates any sort of guilt associated with making a purchase.  We know that we&#8217;ve set up all our savings automatically through ING, so we don&#8217;t feel bad spending our weekly allowance on a book or saving it for a couple of weeks to buy a video game or a nice dinner out.  We&#8217;ve found this to be a really healthly balance for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ !wanda: Thank you for your suggestions and good advice. We have been dating for a year and a half, so it&#039;s pretty serious. I would say that 90 percent of our disagreements/misunderstandings have had something to do with financial matters in one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ !wanda: Thank you for your suggestions and good advice. We have been dating for a year and a half, so it&#8217;s pretty serious. I would say that 90 percent of our disagreements/misunderstandings have had something to do with financial matters in one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, one thing we can learn from all of this is key:  anyone who is contemplating marriage or a permanent, long term arrangement with a partner MUST take serious time to thoroughly discuss finances, spending, personal money philosophies, etc. before taking the leap into marriage/cohabiting.  It&#039;s the single best way to find out what you&#039;ll be facing financially, for better or worse, as the years go by. 

My husband and I have been married almost 13 years, and have never had one single fight about money.  We have adopted a &quot;yours, mine, and ours&quot; system that works like this:  each year at tax time, we figure out the coming year&#039;s household budget based on the previous year&#039;s.  At that point, we determine how much money per month is needed to pay all the monthly expenses, and we add in money for household savings, a vacation, etc.  We figure up that annual total and divide it by 26, because we both get paid every two weeks at our jobs.  That&#039;s how much money will go into our joint checking account on each payday.  Next, we figure out our total income over the past year (this is why we do it at tax time), and determine who made what percentage of that total.  It usually ends up somewhere around my husband earning 75% of the total, and me earning about 25%.  Finally, we go back to the &quot;amount per payday&quot; that goes into the joint checking, and my husband deposits 75% of that total into the account each pay, and I deposit 25% of the total into the account each pay.

All money left over for either one of us goes into personal checking and/or savings accounts and is ours to do with as we please, no questions asked EVER.  My husband invests a big chunk of his with an online brokerage, buying individual stocks, and I invest a big chunk of mine in an online mutual fund account.  However, if I wanted to spend $1,000 on a pair of shoes or a purse (the most ridiculous thing EVER, and I never would, but I&#039;m just saying), I wouldn&#039;t owe him any explanation.  

We are very fortunate that we spent long hours discussing money and finances before we married, and we&#039;re both focused on the same long-term financial goals.  So focused, in fact, that we are set to retire early from full-time work this year - he&#039;ll be 50, and I&#039;ll be 46 -- with a net worth well over $2 million.  It can be done, we&#039;re proof of that, but as other posters have said, if the two of you aren&#039;t on the same page philosophically, it&#039;s going to be very difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, one thing we can learn from all of this is key:  anyone who is contemplating marriage or a permanent, long term arrangement with a partner MUST take serious time to thoroughly discuss finances, spending, personal money philosophies, etc. before taking the leap into marriage/cohabiting.  It&#8217;s the single best way to find out what you&#8217;ll be facing financially, for better or worse, as the years go by. </p>
<p>My husband and I have been married almost 13 years, and have never had one single fight about money.  We have adopted a &#8220;yours, mine, and ours&#8221; system that works like this:  each year at tax time, we figure out the coming year&#8217;s household budget based on the previous year&#8217;s.  At that point, we determine how much money per month is needed to pay all the monthly expenses, and we add in money for household savings, a vacation, etc.  We figure up that annual total and divide it by 26, because we both get paid every two weeks at our jobs.  That&#8217;s how much money will go into our joint checking account on each payday.  Next, we figure out our total income over the past year (this is why we do it at tax time), and determine who made what percentage of that total.  It usually ends up somewhere around my husband earning 75% of the total, and me earning about 25%.  Finally, we go back to the &#8220;amount per payday&#8221; that goes into the joint checking, and my husband deposits 75% of that total into the account each pay, and I deposit 25% of the total into the account each pay.</p>
<p>All money left over for either one of us goes into personal checking and/or savings accounts and is ours to do with as we please, no questions asked EVER.  My husband invests a big chunk of his with an online brokerage, buying individual stocks, and I invest a big chunk of mine in an online mutual fund account.  However, if I wanted to spend $1,000 on a pair of shoes or a purse (the most ridiculous thing EVER, and I never would, but I&#8217;m just saying), I wouldn&#8217;t owe him any explanation.  </p>
<p>We are very fortunate that we spent long hours discussing money and finances before we married, and we&#8217;re both focused on the same long-term financial goals.  So focused, in fact, that we are set to retire early from full-time work this year &#8211; he&#8217;ll be 50, and I&#8217;ll be 46 &#8212; with a net worth well over $2 million.  It can be done, we&#8217;re proof of that, but as other posters have said, if the two of you aren&#8217;t on the same page philosophically, it&#8217;s going to be very difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I both work together when it comes to the finances, but he gets sidetracked more easily than I do.  I felt like I was preaching to him all the time about saving money and we were both getting resentful of that.  To fix the problem, we started a very detailed budget.  It was such a relief to have a piece of paper be the &quot;bad guy&quot; instead of me.  Instead of asking me if we could afford something, my husband went straight to the budget to see if we could afford it.  There were also several times where his family members would ask favors of him that would cost us money (ex. delivering something 1 hour away).  He was able to decline and blame it on the budget.  It may seem like a cop out, but it worked for us.  As part of the budget, we each got some &quot;blow&quot; money, which helped my husband know that once his money was gone...it was gone unless he found some money or decreased a different category.  The budget also gave us something to work towards...together.  It&#039;s been great for us.  We are just finishing the first month, and I hope this trend continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I both work together when it comes to the finances, but he gets sidetracked more easily than I do.  I felt like I was preaching to him all the time about saving money and we were both getting resentful of that.  To fix the problem, we started a very detailed budget.  It was such a relief to have a piece of paper be the &#8220;bad guy&#8221; instead of me.  Instead of asking me if we could afford something, my husband went straight to the budget to see if we could afford it.  There were also several times where his family members would ask favors of him that would cost us money (ex. delivering something 1 hour away).  He was able to decline and blame it on the budget.  It may seem like a cop out, but it worked for us.  As part of the budget, we each got some &#8220;blow&#8221; money, which helped my husband know that once his money was gone&#8230;it was gone unless he found some money or decreased a different category.  The budget also gave us something to work towards&#8230;together.  It&#8217;s been great for us.  We are just finishing the first month, and I hope this trend continues.</p>
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		<title>By: AnKa</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnKa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, what an insightful article today! Money is on the top 5 list for reasons for divorce. It might even be #2 or so. And that is because we all bring so much financial luggage in the form of debt, spending habits and philosophies, etc.

I am by no means a big spender but compared to my husband, I do spend more money. Luckily, we have learned to see each other&#039;s ways and are now living like a &#039;Best Of&#039; philosophy. We choose whose philosophy works better for a given situation. Example: We need a tool. Here we will go with my tendency to buy the BEST tool (not what is often called the &#039;best value&#039;). Every time we use the tool, it will feel smooth in our hands and we will love having it. This also applies to our camera equipment, etc. 
The opposite example: We go out for lunch on a weekend. Here consider my husbands way - either we skip the lunch out altogether or we figure out ways to cut the cost way down, such as sharing an entree that is almost always enough for the 3 of us (the 3rd person being only 20 months old).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, what an insightful article today! Money is on the top 5 list for reasons for divorce. It might even be #2 or so. And that is because we all bring so much financial luggage in the form of debt, spending habits and philosophies, etc.</p>
<p>I am by no means a big spender but compared to my husband, I do spend more money. Luckily, we have learned to see each other&#8217;s ways and are now living like a &#8216;Best Of&#8217; philosophy. We choose whose philosophy works better for a given situation. Example: We need a tool. Here we will go with my tendency to buy the BEST tool (not what is often called the &#8216;best value&#8217;). Every time we use the tool, it will feel smooth in our hands and we will love having it. This also applies to our camera equipment, etc.<br />
The opposite example: We go out for lunch on a weekend. Here consider my husbands way &#8211; either we skip the lunch out altogether or we figure out ways to cut the cost way down, such as sharing an entree that is almost always enough for the 3 of us (the 3rd person being only 20 months old).</p>
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		<title>By: !wanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>!wanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bonnie: How long have you been dating?  If you think it could be a long-term relationship, I think it&#039;s time that you start dropping asides about financial goals here and there.  &quot;Oh, I saw this cute dress at Saks, but I decided against getting it because I really, really want to get out of debt.&quot;  Also, try suggesting more frugal choices, like renting DVDs instead of buying them, and see his reaction.  You&#039;re more likely to get honest answers if you don&#039;t make a big production of it, don&#039;t indicate up front that frugality is a reason you might dump him, and don&#039;t mix the conversation up with &quot;will we be together forever?&quot;

If he reacts strongly negatively to your attempts to be frugal or indicates that he doesn&#039;t believe in fiscal responsibility, you should strongly consider dumping him.  Money drives a lot of couples apart, and it&#039;s better to figure his attitudes out earlier than later.

Who knows; he might be relieved that you brought it up, because he secretly wants to be frugal but thinks you like to spend.  Or, he could actually be rich, so it might surprise him that buying these things is financially difficult for you.  

If this relationship isn&#039;t very serious, just cut back the expensive stuff, suggest cheaper alternatives, and dump the guy if he objects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bonnie: How long have you been dating?  If you think it could be a long-term relationship, I think it&#8217;s time that you start dropping asides about financial goals here and there.  &#8220;Oh, I saw this cute dress at Saks, but I decided against getting it because I really, really want to get out of debt.&#8221;  Also, try suggesting more frugal choices, like renting DVDs instead of buying them, and see his reaction.  You&#8217;re more likely to get honest answers if you don&#8217;t make a big production of it, don&#8217;t indicate up front that frugality is a reason you might dump him, and don&#8217;t mix the conversation up with &#8220;will we be together forever?&#8221;</p>
<p>If he reacts strongly negatively to your attempts to be frugal or indicates that he doesn&#8217;t believe in fiscal responsibility, you should strongly consider dumping him.  Money drives a lot of couples apart, and it&#8217;s better to figure his attitudes out earlier than later.</p>
<p>Who knows; he might be relieved that you brought it up, because he secretly wants to be frugal but thinks you like to spend.  Or, he could actually be rich, so it might surprise him that buying these things is financially difficult for you.  </p>
<p>If this relationship isn&#8217;t very serious, just cut back the expensive stuff, suggest cheaper alternatives, and dump the guy if he objects.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/24/im-frugal-but-my-spouse-is-not/comment-page-1/#comment-163402</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>skywind - In a partnership both partners have different roles and duties. Perhaps one spouse stays home with the children while the other earns a salary. They are both responsible for raising their children and should come to an agreement on their parenting philosophy but during working hours at least, one spouse has responsibility for actually doing the hands on parenting work. That&#039;s what I had in mind for finance. I said &quot;take charge&quot; in the sense that the onus will be you to get the ball rolling, to start discussing, to make proposals, and then probably to do the nitty-gritty of recording spending, researching investments, etc. I did not say anything about insisting on your own way or treating your spouse like a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skywind &#8211; In a partnership both partners have different roles and duties. Perhaps one spouse stays home with the children while the other earns a salary. They are both responsible for raising their children and should come to an agreement on their parenting philosophy but during working hours at least, one spouse has responsibility for actually doing the hands on parenting work. That&#8217;s what I had in mind for finance. I said &#8220;take charge&#8221; in the sense that the onus will be you to get the ball rolling, to start discussing, to make proposals, and then probably to do the nitty-gritty of recording spending, researching investments, etc. I did not say anything about insisting on your own way or treating your spouse like a child.</p>
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		<title>By: skywind</title>
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		<dc:creator>skywind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you’re the frugal spouse with an unfrugal spouse, you just have to accept that you are the one in charge of the finances. 

And how are you going to do that?  By becoming the &quot;parent&quot; and treating your spouse like a &quot;child,&quot; because he or she won&#039;t do things your, and your way is so much better than their way?  That doesn&#039;t sound like much of a partnership to me.  I agree that it&#039;s difficult for a frugal and not-frugal couple to agree, but you can&#039;t &quot;take charge&quot; just because you think you&#039;re right and they&#039;re wrong.  There are much bigger marital issues at stake here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you’re the frugal spouse with an unfrugal spouse, you just have to accept that you are the one in charge of the finances. </p>
<p>And how are you going to do that?  By becoming the &#8220;parent&#8221; and treating your spouse like a &#8220;child,&#8221; because he or she won&#8217;t do things your, and your way is so much better than their way?  That doesn&#8217;t sound like much of a partnership to me.  I agree that it&#8217;s difficult for a frugal and not-frugal couple to agree, but you can&#8217;t &#8220;take charge&#8221; just because you think you&#8217;re right and they&#8217;re wrong.  There are much bigger marital issues at stake here.</p>
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		<title>By: luvleftovers</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/24/im-frugal-but-my-spouse-is-not/comment-page-1/#comment-163335</link>
		<dc:creator>luvleftovers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ex-husband spent money like it fell out of the sky, then couldn&#039;t understand why there was no food in the house.  (he would then borrow money from a friend and go out to eat, leaving me and the dog to fend for ourselves)

That&#039;s one of the main reasons why he&#039;s my ex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex-husband spent money like it fell out of the sky, then couldn&#8217;t understand why there was no food in the house.  (he would then borrow money from a friend and go out to eat, leaving me and the dog to fend for ourselves)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one of the main reasons why he&#8217;s my ex.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/24/im-frugal-but-my-spouse-is-not/comment-page-1/#comment-163330</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>!wanda said: &quot;The “allowance” idea doesn’t work for certain things. How can one spouse save for a house and the other not? Are you not going to let your partner live in it? Then, unfrugal partner doesn’t have to sacrifice anything and still gets a nice house.&quot;

I think you have to come to an agreement about big things like this. Maybe unfrugal spouse would be okay about saving if it wasn&#039;t too depriving, maybe he wants to live in a nicer apartment while saving, maybe only save for a condo or a more modest house, maybe also agree to save for some desire of his (even if it seems frivolous, like a boat or a motorcycle), maybe do it by taking complete charge of all cooking so that you can trim the fat off the food budget and right into savings. But I could never do this without my husband on board. Save on my own, then buy a house in my name only? No thanks, that&#039;s not what I want out of my marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>!wanda said: &#8220;The “allowance” idea doesn’t work for certain things. How can one spouse save for a house and the other not? Are you not going to let your partner live in it? Then, unfrugal partner doesn’t have to sacrifice anything and still gets a nice house.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you have to come to an agreement about big things like this. Maybe unfrugal spouse would be okay about saving if it wasn&#8217;t too depriving, maybe he wants to live in a nicer apartment while saving, maybe only save for a condo or a more modest house, maybe also agree to save for some desire of his (even if it seems frivolous, like a boat or a motorcycle), maybe do it by taking complete charge of all cooking so that you can trim the fat off the food budget and right into savings. But I could never do this without my husband on board. Save on my own, then buy a house in my name only? No thanks, that&#8217;s not what I want out of my marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/24/im-frugal-but-my-spouse-is-not/comment-page-1/#comment-163324</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How successful is a couple when one is consistantly undermining the efforts of the other?  It seems such a relationship would have one or the other unhappy most of the time.  Unless the couple is living only for the moment, I am missing the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How successful is a couple when one is consistantly undermining the efforts of the other?  It seems such a relationship would have one or the other unhappy most of the time.  Unless the couple is living only for the moment, I am missing the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiesa</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/24/im-frugal-but-my-spouse-is-not/comment-page-1/#comment-163308</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiesa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While my husband is not a spendthrift and would never go into credit card debt, he doesn&#039;t have the obsession with saving that I do.  Having separate allowances for personal items helps minimize disagreements.  However, my husband&#039;s attitude toward money can help put mine in perspective when I&#039;m going overboard with saving.  For instance, food really is a necessary expense :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While my husband is not a spendthrift and would never go into credit card debt, he doesn&#8217;t have the obsession with saving that I do.  Having separate allowances for personal items helps minimize disagreements.  However, my husband&#8217;s attitude toward money can help put mine in perspective when I&#8217;m going overboard with saving.  For instance, food really is a necessary expense :)</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/24/im-frugal-but-my-spouse-is-not/comment-page-1/#comment-163297</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How can one spouse save for a house and the other not? Are you not going to let your partner live in it? Then, unfrugal partner doesn’t have to sacrifice anything and still gets a nice house.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Buy the house in your name only, and charge the partner rent to live there. Or, accept that if you want the partner you want, and the house you want, you&#039;re going to have to make some one-sided sacrifices.

Both these options seem vastly preferable to me than constantly fighting about money, which 1) degrades the quality of the relationship and 2) only changes behavior at the margins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How can one spouse save for a house and the other not? Are you not going to let your partner live in it? Then, unfrugal partner doesn’t have to sacrifice anything and still gets a nice house.</p></blockquote>
<p>Buy the house in your name only, and charge the partner rent to live there. Or, accept that if you want the partner you want, and the house you want, you&#8217;re going to have to make some one-sided sacrifices.</p>
<p>Both these options seem vastly preferable to me than constantly fighting about money, which 1) degrades the quality of the relationship and 2) only changes behavior at the margins.</p>
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		<title>By: !wanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>!wanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;allowance&quot; idea doesn&#039;t work for certain things.  How can one spouse save for a house and the other not?  Are you not going to let your partner live in it?  Then, unfrugal partner doesn&#039;t have to sacrifice anything and &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; gets a nice house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;allowance&#8221; idea doesn&#8217;t work for certain things.  How can one spouse save for a house and the other not?  Are you not going to let your partner live in it?  Then, unfrugal partner doesn&#8217;t have to sacrifice anything and <i>still</i> gets a nice house.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/24/im-frugal-but-my-spouse-is-not/comment-page-1/#comment-163269</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I agree with the &quot;artificial scarcity&quot; mentioned by Peter. When you&#039;re the frugal spouse with an unfrugal spouse, you just have to accept that you are the one in charge of the finances. Not that you will do things without your partner&#039;s agreement, just that you will be the one making sure things are under control, you will be the one monitoring the financial situation, you will be the one researching, proposing new ideas, coming up with plans. You will discuss with your spouse and make sure it&#039;s okay, but the initiative will have to be yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I agree with the &#8220;artificial scarcity&#8221; mentioned by Peter. When you&#8217;re the frugal spouse with an unfrugal spouse, you just have to accept that you are the one in charge of the finances. Not that you will do things without your partner&#8217;s agreement, just that you will be the one making sure things are under control, you will be the one monitoring the financial situation, you will be the one researching, proposing new ideas, coming up with plans. You will discuss with your spouse and make sure it&#8217;s okay, but the initiative will have to be yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/24/im-frugal-but-my-spouse-is-not/comment-page-1/#comment-163265</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is tough, isn&#039;t it? I don&#039;t think separate finances is necessarily the answer (especially when you&#039;re a one-income family) but I do absolutely advocate separate spending allowances. That way if one person is going to fritter away his/her allowance, the other person can save for something larger, and neither will resent the other. It can be larger than you would necessarily be comfortable with (as long as you can afford it), just as long as there is a definite limit. 

Obviously it&#039;s necessary to compromise, but still have some ground rules in place. For example, no buying things until you actually have the money. Don&#039;t let the unfrugal spouse just put a big screen TV on the credit card. Even if you disagree on the need for a big screen TV at all, depending on the circumstances you might agree to purchase it and then set up an automatic savings account and buy it when the full amount is saved. That way you are not depriving your partner but you are still being responsible, not going into debt, not paying interest, etc. 

If there&#039;s something important to your spouse that you haven&#039;t been able to afford, point out that increased frugality could not only meet financial goals for retirement or whatever, but could also pay for that big something. Maybe a once in a lifetime extended trip to Europe. Maybe a vacation home in cottage country. Whatever it is. Your partner may not be motivated by retirement or saving for the kids&#039; education or paying off the mortgage early, but there may be something else that could be motivating.

Also, you may be able to get your spouse to compromise on the frugality issue by showing willingness to compromise in other areas. Maybe you are really bothered by your partner&#039;s spending habits, but he/she is really bothered by your not helping with housework. Come up with some sort of agreement. You keep personal spending within $200 per month, and I&#039;ll clean the bathroom once a week and wash dishes on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Your spouse must have some sort of gripe about you that you could deal with in return for this gripe you have about him/her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is tough, isn&#8217;t it? I don&#8217;t think separate finances is necessarily the answer (especially when you&#8217;re a one-income family) but I do absolutely advocate separate spending allowances. That way if one person is going to fritter away his/her allowance, the other person can save for something larger, and neither will resent the other. It can be larger than you would necessarily be comfortable with (as long as you can afford it), just as long as there is a definite limit. </p>
<p>Obviously it&#8217;s necessary to compromise, but still have some ground rules in place. For example, no buying things until you actually have the money. Don&#8217;t let the unfrugal spouse just put a big screen TV on the credit card. Even if you disagree on the need for a big screen TV at all, depending on the circumstances you might agree to purchase it and then set up an automatic savings account and buy it when the full amount is saved. That way you are not depriving your partner but you are still being responsible, not going into debt, not paying interest, etc. </p>
<p>If there&#8217;s something important to your spouse that you haven&#8217;t been able to afford, point out that increased frugality could not only meet financial goals for retirement or whatever, but could also pay for that big something. Maybe a once in a lifetime extended trip to Europe. Maybe a vacation home in cottage country. Whatever it is. Your partner may not be motivated by retirement or saving for the kids&#8217; education or paying off the mortgage early, but there may be something else that could be motivating.</p>
<p>Also, you may be able to get your spouse to compromise on the frugality issue by showing willingness to compromise in other areas. Maybe you are really bothered by your partner&#8217;s spending habits, but he/she is really bothered by your not helping with housework. Come up with some sort of agreement. You keep personal spending within $200 per month, and I&#8217;ll clean the bathroom once a week and wash dishes on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Your spouse must have some sort of gripe about you that you could deal with in return for this gripe you have about him/her.</p>
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