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	<title>Comments on: Review: Never Wrestle With A Pig</title>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/27/review-never-wrestle-with-a-pig/comment-page-1/#comment-166475</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with his point on leaving on time. I will stay late if I have a deadline, which is rare these days. I worked in two offices were you were expected not only to stay late, but to work weekends on a moments notice. Needless to say I didn&#039;t stay long. One place was just to small to do the work based on how the boss wanted it done(the long ineffcent way) and the other place had too many green thumbs running around doing work they were qualified for. And neither place wanted to pay a penny more for the expected overtime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with his point on leaving on time. I will stay late if I have a deadline, which is rare these days. I worked in two offices were you were expected not only to stay late, but to work weekends on a moments notice. Needless to say I didn&#8217;t stay long. One place was just to small to do the work based on how the boss wanted it done(the long ineffcent way) and the other place had too many green thumbs running around doing work they were qualified for. And neither place wanted to pay a penny more for the expected overtime.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Work-Life balance is a hot topic. Staying late *might* get you noticed, but at what personal cost?    

This may be a case where we think in extremes: staying late vs. leaving early.  What about getting in on time and leaving on time?  Productivity is more important, I think.  If we learn to manage our time then we can get lots of work done in the 8 hours we&#039;re hired for.  Maybe less chatter with the &#039;friends&#039; at work, hmm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Work-Life balance is a hot topic. Staying late *might* get you noticed, but at what personal cost?    </p>
<p>This may be a case where we think in extremes: staying late vs. leaving early.  What about getting in on time and leaving on time?  Productivity is more important, I think.  If we learn to manage our time then we can get lots of work done in the 8 hours we&#8217;re hired for.  Maybe less chatter with the &#8216;friends&#8217; at work, hmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurker Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be cheerful and friendly with everyone but not best buddies.  Just as you shouldn&#039;t lend money to friends, you shouldn&#039;t get tangled up in the personal lives of your co-workers.  Ugly situations develop as promotions and office politics progress.

Staying late?  Insist on overtime pay or compensatory time off, gainful employment is not a volunteer position.  A good supervisor will reward subordinates who work late to resolve emergencies, but working late as a rule means the office is understaffed or unqualified to perform the workload.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be cheerful and friendly with everyone but not best buddies.  Just as you shouldn&#8217;t lend money to friends, you shouldn&#8217;t get tangled up in the personal lives of your co-workers.  Ugly situations develop as promotions and office politics progress.</p>
<p>Staying late?  Insist on overtime pay or compensatory time off, gainful employment is not a volunteer position.  A good supervisor will reward subordinates who work late to resolve emergencies, but working late as a rule means the office is understaffed or unqualified to perform the workload.</p>
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		<title>By: Writer's Coin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writer's Coin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole culture of staying late to prove you are working is slowly but surely dying (I hope). Have you heard of the system Best Buy (and other companies) have in place in terms of hours and time off? They call it Results Oriented Environment and it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/aug2005/bs20050824_0557_bs052.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sounds&lt;/a&gt; like heaven. Kind of gives the corporate setting an entrepreneurial slant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole culture of staying late to prove you are working is slowly but surely dying (I hope). Have you heard of the system Best Buy (and other companies) have in place in terms of hours and time off? They call it Results Oriented Environment and it <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/aug2005/bs20050824_0557_bs052.htm" rel="nofollow">sounds</a> like heaven. Kind of gives the corporate setting an entrepreneurial slant.</p>
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		<title>By: jblee</title>
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		<dc:creator>jblee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it really depends upon the goal of the friendship. There are some relationships that provide morale support, give advices or just plainly for enjoyment. There are also others that are not just there for morale support, but for having the same vision or goal in your life. Just like a husband and wife will have conflicts if they have different values and goals, so do friends. 

As for the staying late at work, it depends upon the culture of the workplace. If you&#039;re still not getting a raise or promotion, why not ask for it? If they still don&#039;t give you that, then I think the wise decision is to ship out and find a better job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it really depends upon the goal of the friendship. There are some relationships that provide morale support, give advices or just plainly for enjoyment. There are also others that are not just there for morale support, but for having the same vision or goal in your life. Just like a husband and wife will have conflicts if they have different values and goals, so do friends. </p>
<p>As for the staying late at work, it depends upon the culture of the workplace. If you&#8217;re still not getting a raise or promotion, why not ask for it? If they still don&#8217;t give you that, then I think the wise decision is to ship out and find a better job.</p>
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		<title>By: vh</title>
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		<dc:creator>vh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dead on about not staying late.

After darn near dying of overwork and concomitant stress -- with years passing and not even a COLA increase, to say nothing of a real raise in pay -- I came to the conclusion that you should put in only as many hours as you are paid for. Then stop. So, eventually, did several of my colleagues. 

We now provide as much work as the Great Desert University pays us for, and no more than that. You are not paid to work yourself to death!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead on about not staying late.</p>
<p>After darn near dying of overwork and concomitant stress &#8212; with years passing and not even a COLA increase, to say nothing of a real raise in pay &#8212; I came to the conclusion that you should put in only as many hours as you are paid for. Then stop. So, eventually, did several of my colleagues. </p>
<p>We now provide as much work as the Great Desert University pays us for, and no more than that. You are not paid to work yourself to death!</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, the person who always stays late is the person who gets work piled on them and is denied promotion because they&#039;re too &quot;valuable&quot; in their current role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, the person who always stays late is the person who gets work piled on them and is denied promotion because they&#8217;re too &#8220;valuable&#8221; in their current role.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree that being FRIENDLY in the work place is a good thing, but of course going too far as in be their friend, might be too much.

Case in point, I am always friendly with the Janitors and Cleaners and they have always given me supplies right away when I ask. But on the other end I have gotten to be friends with a few coworkers and lets just say I wished i was not. What I mean is that they start to ask me to do all sorts of things just because they think I&#039;am their best friend. 

On another note, where you say that people should leave on time. I have gotten different opinions from other books and other people that I have talked to. All of these people have told me that you should arrive early and be the last one to leave, so-to-speak. I have seen the staying late philosophy receiving more attention in my own workplace. My boss has mention numerous times various coworkers who have stayed late to finish jobs and they mostly have own employees of the month. I think it is more perception than anything, those who stay late are seen as those who are dedicated and hard workers. It might be good for you to leave early, but in the eyes of others it might not be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that being FRIENDLY in the work place is a good thing, but of course going too far as in be their friend, might be too much.</p>
<p>Case in point, I am always friendly with the Janitors and Cleaners and they have always given me supplies right away when I ask. But on the other end I have gotten to be friends with a few coworkers and lets just say I wished i was not. What I mean is that they start to ask me to do all sorts of things just because they think I&#8217;am their best friend. </p>
<p>On another note, where you say that people should leave on time. I have gotten different opinions from other books and other people that I have talked to. All of these people have told me that you should arrive early and be the last one to leave, so-to-speak. I have seen the staying late philosophy receiving more attention in my own workplace. My boss has mention numerous times various coworkers who have stayed late to finish jobs and they mostly have own employees of the month. I think it is more perception than anything, those who stay late are seen as those who are dedicated and hard workers. It might be good for you to leave early, but in the eyes of others it might not be.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Madrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the &quot;Speed&quot; was very interesting. As you move up in the ranks the pressure to work long hours intensifies. Jeffrey Immelt of GE fame is a good example. He has worked consistently a 100 hours a week (that&#039;s 7am to 9pm seven days a week and your still short 2 hours)Think of the pressure that puts underlings under. My wife got a new boss and the feedback from the team was all the same. They can&#039;t work 200% all the time. Working long hours is for many a badge of honour and often what drives talented  mothers out of the executive suite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the &#8220;Speed&#8221; was very interesting. As you move up in the ranks the pressure to work long hours intensifies. Jeffrey Immelt of GE fame is a good example. He has worked consistently a 100 hours a week (that&#8217;s 7am to 9pm seven days a week and your still short 2 hours)Think of the pressure that puts underlings under. My wife got a new boss and the feedback from the team was all the same. They can&#8217;t work 200% all the time. Working long hours is for many a badge of honour and often what drives talented  mothers out of the executive suite.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve certainly found it happy and useful to be friendly with everyone at work. The key is not to get so friendly with some people that you get involved in their dislikes of someone else. It&#039;s hard to make that balance sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve certainly found it happy and useful to be friendly with everyone at work. The key is not to get so friendly with some people that you get involved in their dislikes of someone else. It&#8217;s hard to make that balance sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I have always believed that one should be FRIENDLY at work but have FRIENDS elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have always believed that one should be FRIENDLY at work but have FRIENDS elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: vh</title>
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		<dc:creator>vh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy&#039;s never worked in academia, apparently: &quot;McCormack offers another solution: focus on and cultivate friendships. The more friends you have in the workplace, the more likely that absurd backstabbing tactics will fall flat....&quot;

Noooo.....  

My best friend got hired by another of my good friends, who was director of an academic program in the department where I was teaching. She got the job partly on my recommendation. Said &quot;best friend&quot; systematically undermined the program so that she could engineer a salary three times what her new position would ordinarily earn. The long &amp; short of it: the program ended up without support staff and lost the office space its director had fought like a cat to acquire -- &quot;best friend&quot; engrossed the position and the office space to build her own little empire elsewhere in the College. 

Since she knew our mutual friend would relay tales of this Machiavellian project, the alleged &quot;best friend&quot; cut off all communication with me and forbade her husband to speak to me. She&#039;s making a ton of money in what is actually a support position -- as  much as the program&#039;s director, a tenured professor with twelve years&#039; teaching and administrative experience at the institution. Hope it was worth it.

Personally, I&#039;d advise the exact opposite: make friends outside the workplace and build a polite but healthy distance between yourself and coworkers. Never do business with friends!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy&#8217;s never worked in academia, apparently: &#8220;McCormack offers another solution: focus on and cultivate friendships. The more friends you have in the workplace, the more likely that absurd backstabbing tactics will fall flat&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Noooo&#8230;..  </p>
<p>My best friend got hired by another of my good friends, who was director of an academic program in the department where I was teaching. She got the job partly on my recommendation. Said &#8220;best friend&#8221; systematically undermined the program so that she could engineer a salary three times what her new position would ordinarily earn. The long &amp; short of it: the program ended up without support staff and lost the office space its director had fought like a cat to acquire &#8212; &#8220;best friend&#8221; engrossed the position and the office space to build her own little empire elsewhere in the College. </p>
<p>Since she knew our mutual friend would relay tales of this Machiavellian project, the alleged &#8220;best friend&#8221; cut off all communication with me and forbade her husband to speak to me. She&#8217;s making a ton of money in what is actually a support position &#8212; as  much as the program&#8217;s director, a tenured professor with twelve years&#8217; teaching and administrative experience at the institution. Hope it was worth it.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d advise the exact opposite: make friends outside the workplace and build a polite but healthy distance between yourself and coworkers. Never do business with friends!</p>
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