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		<title>By: Gain web traffic</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-609044</link>
		<dc:creator>Gain web traffic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, I don&#039;t agree with it all but nice none-the-less</description>
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		<title>By: SteveJ</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-315993</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, 

You definitely have it right.  Great work explaining it all out.  I have an amoritization spreadsheet I obsess over (a little :) and right now in the first year of a 100% loan, it&#039;s insane not to prepay.  I get a 500% return on any payment I make.  I&#039;d have to get a 7-8% guaranteed return EVERY YEAR to beat that over 30 years.

The only point I&#039;ve seen that&#039;s given me something to think about is Trent&#039;s point that once that&#039;s paid forward I can&#039;t use it for anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, </p>
<p>You definitely have it right.  Great work explaining it all out.  I have an amoritization spreadsheet I obsess over (a little :) and right now in the first year of a 100% loan, it&#8217;s insane not to prepay.  I get a 500% return on any payment I make.  I&#8217;d have to get a 7-8% guaranteed return EVERY YEAR to beat that over 30 years.</p>
<p>The only point I&#8217;ve seen that&#8217;s given me something to think about is Trent&#8217;s point that once that&#8217;s paid forward I can&#8217;t use it for anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Econ</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-173362</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Econ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baba Ghanoush,

If you like to take more risk, that&#039;s fine.  It is a personal decision.  The problem with the CR piece is they don&#039;t adequately disclose the risks involved, so the comparison is not as straightforward as they make it seem.

The same is true as to having the funds available.  The liquidity you would like to have is also a personal decision.

I have no idea if people who are prepaying mortgages are not taking full advantage of other investments, so I won&#039;t comment on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baba Ghanoush,</p>
<p>If you like to take more risk, that&#8217;s fine.  It is a personal decision.  The problem with the CR piece is they don&#8217;t adequately disclose the risks involved, so the comparison is not as straightforward as they make it seem.</p>
<p>The same is true as to having the funds available.  The liquidity you would like to have is also a personal decision.</p>
<p>I have no idea if people who are prepaying mortgages are not taking full advantage of other investments, so I won&#8217;t comment on that.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-173299</link>
		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  I wasn&#039;t sure if the interest ever adjusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  I wasn&#8217;t sure if the interest ever adjusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-173290</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is the problem.  You are pre-paying the loan, but IPMT is calculating the interest portion of each payment as if you were not.  In Month 2, IPMT thinks you paid $599.55 in Month 1, not the $1,599.55 you actually paid.  Notice IPMT doesn&#039;t ask if you are prepaying the loan -- it can&#039;t know and that&#039;s why it gives the wrong numbers in a prepayment scenario.

I have duplicated your Month 1 results using this formula:

Month 1: (100,000+(IPMT(6%/12,1,360,-100000)))-599.55-1000 
   (should equal 98,900.45)
Month 2: (98,900.45+(IPMT(6%/12,2,360,-100000)))-599.55-1000 
   (should equal $97,800.40)

You need to calculate the interest portion manually, so that the remaining principal includes the extra $1,000.  I suggest this:

Month 1: (100,000*(100%+6%/12))-599.55-1000 
   (should equal 98,900.45)
Month 2: (98,900.45*(100%+6%/12))-599.55-1000 
   (should equal 98,795.40)

If you put these side by side, make the obvious adjustments and fill across 90+ rows or columns, you should see how paying too much interest affected your results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is the problem.  You are pre-paying the loan, but IPMT is calculating the interest portion of each payment as if you were not.  In Month 2, IPMT thinks you paid $599.55 in Month 1, not the $1,599.55 you actually paid.  Notice IPMT doesn&#8217;t ask if you are prepaying the loan &#8212; it can&#8217;t know and that&#8217;s why it gives the wrong numbers in a prepayment scenario.</p>
<p>I have duplicated your Month 1 results using this formula:</p>
<p>Month 1: (100,000+(IPMT(6%/12,1,360,-100000)))-599.55-1000<br />
   (should equal 98,900.45)<br />
Month 2: (98,900.45+(IPMT(6%/12,2,360,-100000)))-599.55-1000<br />
   (should equal $97,800.40)</p>
<p>You need to calculate the interest portion manually, so that the remaining principal includes the extra $1,000.  I suggest this:</p>
<p>Month 1: (100,000*(100%+6%/12))-599.55-1000<br />
   (should equal 98,900.45)<br />
Month 2: (98,900.45*(100%+6%/12))-599.55-1000<br />
   (should equal 98,795.40)</p>
<p>If you put these side by side, make the obvious adjustments and fill across 90+ rows or columns, you should see how paying too much interest affected your results.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The monthly payment is: 
=PMT(0.06/12,360,-100000)=599.55

The interest payments are:
month 1=IPMT(.06/12,1,360,-100000)=500.00
month 2=IPMT(.06/12,2,360,-100000)=499.50

The principal does not decrease in these interest payment calculations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The monthly payment is:<br />
=PMT(0.06/12,360,-100000)=599.55</p>
<p>The interest payments are:<br />
month 1=IPMT(.06/12,1,360,-100000)=500.00<br />
month 2=IPMT(.06/12,2,360,-100000)=499.50</p>
<p>The principal does not decrease in these interest payment calculations</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-173167</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are my monthly amounts going to principal for year one:
$1,108.00
$1,113.54
$1,119.11
$1,124.70
$1,130.33
$1,135.98
$1,141.66
$1,147.37
$1,153.10
$1,158.87
$1,164.66
$1,170.49

In my second month principal paid increases by $5.54 and continues to accelerate.  In your second month the increase is fifty cents.  That can&#039;t be right.  If you pay off $1,100 of principal in the first month, that $1,100 can&#039;t earn interest in the second month.  Interest not earned by that $1,100 in one month is:

$1,100 * (.06/12) or $5.50.  Since you should have had that much less interest to pay you should have paid off that much more principal.

Are you subtracting $1599.55 every month?  Perhaps the number is falling.  Also, you might have a decimal off, or some other error, in your interest calculator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are my monthly amounts going to principal for year one:<br />
$1,108.00<br />
$1,113.54<br />
$1,119.11<br />
$1,124.70<br />
$1,130.33<br />
$1,135.98<br />
$1,141.66<br />
$1,147.37<br />
$1,153.10<br />
$1,158.87<br />
$1,164.66<br />
$1,170.49</p>
<p>In my second month principal paid increases by $5.54 and continues to accelerate.  In your second month the increase is fifty cents.  That can&#8217;t be right.  If you pay off $1,100 of principal in the first month, that $1,100 can&#8217;t earn interest in the second month.  Interest not earned by that $1,100 in one month is:</p>
<p>$1,100 * (.06/12) or $5.50.  Since you should have had that much less interest to pay you should have paid off that much more principal.</p>
<p>Are you subtracting $1599.55 every month?  Perhaps the number is falling.  Also, you might have a decimal off, or some other error, in your interest calculator.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-173087</link>
		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael
For the amortization with the prepayment, in the first month, your payment total is $1599.55.  Only $1099.55 goes toward the principal and $500 goes toward interest.  In the 2nd month, $1100.05 goes toward principal.  Therefore you wouldn&#039;t pay it off until month 89.  Are your calculations for principal and interest correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael<br />
For the amortization with the prepayment, in the first month, your payment total is $1599.55.  Only $1099.55 goes toward the principal and $500 goes toward interest.  In the 2nd month, $1100.05 goes toward principal.  Therefore you wouldn&#8217;t pay it off until month 89.  Are your calculations for principal and interest correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-173052</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LC -- I show that $1,000/month in a 0% account equals the remaining principal at 89 months, yes.  But if you apply that $1,000/month as a prepayment, you should finish in the 75th month.  I just double-checked my cells, and the monthly prepayment formula and regular (non-prepayment) formula are identical except that one uses $1,600 and one uses $600.  Since my formulas are consistent and we are getting different results, you might have set up two different ways of calculating mortgage payments.

@Doc Econ -- I like that thought.  I see prudent banks trading their own accounts some, but when trading gets to be too much of the earnings disaster&#039;s imminent.

@k -- That is a good point.  When people pay taxes, they usually do it out of their paycheck or their checking account, not a savings account like this one.  That means compounding isn&#039;t affected -- if I earn $500 in interest and am taxed 10%, that $50 is not coming out of the $500, it&#039;s coming out of something else.  The full $500 earns interest the next year.

At a 25% rate, 3% savings account, using my above calculations and the tax payment assumptions, putting $1,000 extra into a savings account instead of prepaying costs about $2,200 in taxes.  I think you&#039;re right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LC &#8212; I show that $1,000/month in a 0% account equals the remaining principal at 89 months, yes.  But if you apply that $1,000/month as a prepayment, you should finish in the 75th month.  I just double-checked my cells, and the monthly prepayment formula and regular (non-prepayment) formula are identical except that one uses $1,600 and one uses $600.  Since my formulas are consistent and we are getting different results, you might have set up two different ways of calculating mortgage payments.</p>
<p>@Doc Econ &#8212; I like that thought.  I see prudent banks trading their own accounts some, but when trading gets to be too much of the earnings disaster&#8217;s imminent.</p>
<p>@k &#8212; That is a good point.  When people pay taxes, they usually do it out of their paycheck or their checking account, not a savings account like this one.  That means compounding isn&#8217;t affected &#8212; if I earn $500 in interest and am taxed 10%, that $50 is not coming out of the $500, it&#8217;s coming out of something else.  The full $500 earns interest the next year.</p>
<p>At a 25% rate, 3% savings account, using my above calculations and the tax payment assumptions, putting $1,000 extra into a savings account instead of prepaying costs about $2,200 in taxes.  I think you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: Baba Ghanoush</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-173028</link>
		<dc:creator>Baba Ghanoush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Doc Econ,

I would respond that I&#039;m willing to take on more risk (hold a mutual fund, which is not risk-free) for 1) the probability of higher returns (I need to earn about 6% to come out ahead after taxes) plus 2) the flexibility of having funds available until I am able to pay off the mortgage balance. This seems similar to being willing to hold small value stocks over market weight -- additional risk for the probability of additional return.

I would also argue that many people prepaying their mortgage have not maxed out their tax-advantaged accounts, and some may not be getting full company match on 401Ks. I personally would not pass up the ability to contribute to my 401K or Roth IRA to prepay my mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doc Econ,</p>
<p>I would respond that I&#8217;m willing to take on more risk (hold a mutual fund, which is not risk-free) for 1) the probability of higher returns (I need to earn about 6% to come out ahead after taxes) plus 2) the flexibility of having funds available until I am able to pay off the mortgage balance. This seems similar to being willing to hold small value stocks over market weight &#8212; additional risk for the probability of additional return.</p>
<p>I would also argue that many people prepaying their mortgage have not maxed out their tax-advantaged accounts, and some may not be getting full company match on 401Ks. I personally would not pass up the ability to contribute to my 401K or Roth IRA to prepay my mortgage.</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-170885</link>
		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quick ? on the mortgage:

while you &quot;save up&quot; and invest additional $ to eventually pay off the mortage with a lump sum,

-- aren&#039;t you paying TAXES on the interest you&#039;re earning through investments in the &quot;saving-up fund&quot;?

seems to me you&#039;d need to consistently beat the whatever percentage your fixed mortgage is at, in order to compensate.

any people handy with a spreadsheet out there to comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quick ? on the mortgage:</p>
<p>while you &#8220;save up&#8221; and invest additional $ to eventually pay off the mortage with a lump sum,</p>
<p>&#8211; aren&#8217;t you paying TAXES on the interest you&#8217;re earning through investments in the &#8220;saving-up fund&#8221;?</p>
<p>seems to me you&#8217;d need to consistently beat the whatever percentage your fixed mortgage is at, in order to compensate.</p>
<p>any people handy with a spreadsheet out there to comment?</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Econ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Econ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like CR for many things, but they are way off on the prepayment issue (I hold a Ph.D. in economics).

If you have a mortgage at x%, then prepaying is indeed a risk-free way to earn x% (if you want to factor in the tax deduction, go ahead, it doesn&#039;t make much difference as long as you compare it to an  after-tax rate on other investments, but beware the phase out of deductions at higher incomes!).

Sure, you might earn more x% over the course of the mortgage in an alternative investment such as a mutual fund, but that usually comes with taking some risk.  

The correct comparison is whether you can earn more than x% on a comparable risk basis.  So, can you get a Treasury security or insured CD that yields more than x%?  If yes, invest. If not, prepay.

If CR was right, then you must ask yourself why banks lend for mortgages.  They can &quot;borrow&quot; from depositors at a rate lower than mortgage rates.  For example, they borrow at 3% and lend at 6%.  But why don&#039;t they borrow at 3% and invest, as CR suggests, in a mutual fund?  Because they need to have the security of low risk (in the form of collateral -- the house), in case the depositors come and want their money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like CR for many things, but they are way off on the prepayment issue (I hold a Ph.D. in economics).</p>
<p>If you have a mortgage at x%, then prepaying is indeed a risk-free way to earn x% (if you want to factor in the tax deduction, go ahead, it doesn&#8217;t make much difference as long as you compare it to an  after-tax rate on other investments, but beware the phase out of deductions at higher incomes!).</p>
<p>Sure, you might earn more x% over the course of the mortgage in an alternative investment such as a mutual fund, but that usually comes with taking some risk.  </p>
<p>The correct comparison is whether you can earn more than x% on a comparable risk basis.  So, can you get a Treasury security or insured CD that yields more than x%?  If yes, invest. If not, prepay.</p>
<p>If CR was right, then you must ask yourself why banks lend for mortgages.  They can &#8220;borrow&#8221; from depositors at a rate lower than mortgage rates.  For example, they borrow at 3% and lend at 6%.  But why don&#8217;t they borrow at 3% and invest, as CR suggests, in a mutual fund?  Because they need to have the security of low risk (in the form of collateral &#8212; the house), in case the depositors come and want their money back.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-170271</link>
		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
Here is how I calculated it and it takes away any irregularities of whether you add the interest before or after the payment.  I also neglected the effect of any tax deductions.

PREPAYING:
By paying $1000/mo extra to the principal of our mortgage example, you would pay it off in 89 months, and the total amount paid on the $100k loan would be ~$142,235.

SAVING OUTSIDE THE MORTGAGE:
Say you took that $1000 cash each month and stashed it under your mattress and didn&#039;t put any extra toward your mortgage. In month 89, your loan balance would be $88,875.  During those 89 months, you would have saved up $89,000 (assuming no interest).  Send a check to the lender for the remaining balance.  The total amount you pay on the loan is ~$88875+(89*600)=142,235

Add the effect of interest and you will come out ahead.  Until very recently, I was a big proponent of prepaying.  From these calculations it doesn&#039;t seem like you make a 6% return by paying into a 6% mortgage, which doesn&#039;t make sense.  Is there something wrong with my calculations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
Here is how I calculated it and it takes away any irregularities of whether you add the interest before or after the payment.  I also neglected the effect of any tax deductions.</p>
<p>PREPAYING:<br />
By paying $1000/mo extra to the principal of our mortgage example, you would pay it off in 89 months, and the total amount paid on the $100k loan would be ~$142,235.</p>
<p>SAVING OUTSIDE THE MORTGAGE:<br />
Say you took that $1000 cash each month and stashed it under your mattress and didn&#8217;t put any extra toward your mortgage. In month 89, your loan balance would be $88,875.  During those 89 months, you would have saved up $89,000 (assuming no interest).  Send a check to the lender for the remaining balance.  The total amount you pay on the loan is ~$88875+(89*600)=142,235</p>
<p>Add the effect of interest and you will come out ahead.  Until very recently, I was a big proponent of prepaying.  From these calculations it doesn&#8217;t seem like you make a 6% return by paying into a 6% mortgage, which doesn&#8217;t make sense.  Is there something wrong with my calculations?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-170254</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarifications:

Paragraph 4: &quot;I%&quot; is a variable, not a 1.  It could be 1%, 2%, 3%.  I ran it up to 100% for fun.

Paragraph 7: By &quot;$9,600 in extra payments&quot;, I mean six months of $600 regular loan payments and six months of $1,000 additional payment to the savings account.

Also, I switched my method since the &quot;Michael @ 12:57 pm January 31st, 2008&quot; post, but it makes no difference because so long as either method is consistently applied to both the loan and the savings account.  I just tried it to be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarifications:</p>
<p>Paragraph 4: &#8220;I%&#8221; is a variable, not a 1.  It could be 1%, 2%, 3%.  I ran it up to 100% for fun.</p>
<p>Paragraph 7: By &#8220;$9,600 in extra payments&#8221;, I mean six months of $600 regular loan payments and six months of $1,000 additional payment to the savings account.</p>
<p>Also, I switched my method since the &#8220;Michael @ 12:57 pm January 31st, 2008&#8243; post, but it makes no difference because so long as either method is consistently applied to both the loan and the savings account.  I just tried it to be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LC

That&#039;s not what I get.  Here is my method.  Please tell me how yours differs.

$100,000 loan at 6% compounded monthly, $600 loan payments.  Each month the spreadsheet subtracts $600 from the previous month&#039;s balance, then multiplies that by 106%/12.

$100,000 loan at 6% compounded monthly, $1600 loan payments.  Same method as above, except more is subtracted before each month&#039;s interest is applied.

Several savings accounts paying 0%, 1%, 2%, etc., all compounding monthly.  In each one, $1,000 is added to the previous month&#039;s total, and then the sum is multiplied by (100%+I%)/12.

Using this method, if you pay $1,600/month into the mortgage, you pay off the loan in March of the 7th year with $524.97 to spare.

If you pay $600/month and put $1,000/month into a 6% savings account, the savings account wipes out the remaining principle in March of the 7th year, with $524.97 to spare.  It makes no difference.  This would be a good option if 6% savings accounts existed.

With 3% interest, it happens in September of the 7th year -- six months later than if the loan were prepaid, or $9,600 in extra payments.  By my method, that $9,600 is the cost of Kathryn&#039;s security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LC</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not what I get.  Here is my method.  Please tell me how yours differs.</p>
<p>$100,000 loan at 6% compounded monthly, $600 loan payments.  Each month the spreadsheet subtracts $600 from the previous month&#8217;s balance, then multiplies that by 106%/12.</p>
<p>$100,000 loan at 6% compounded monthly, $1600 loan payments.  Same method as above, except more is subtracted before each month&#8217;s interest is applied.</p>
<p>Several savings accounts paying 0%, 1%, 2%, etc., all compounding monthly.  In each one, $1,000 is added to the previous month&#8217;s total, and then the sum is multiplied by (100%+I%)/12.</p>
<p>Using this method, if you pay $1,600/month into the mortgage, you pay off the loan in March of the 7th year with $524.97 to spare.</p>
<p>If you pay $600/month and put $1,000/month into a 6% savings account, the savings account wipes out the remaining principle in March of the 7th year, with $524.97 to spare.  It makes no difference.  This would be a good option if 6% savings accounts existed.</p>
<p>With 3% interest, it happens in September of the 7th year &#8212; six months later than if the loan were prepaid, or $9,600 in extra payments.  By my method, that $9,600 is the cost of Kathryn&#8217;s security.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of the box things to think about regarding mortgage prepayment:

1. The money you pay toward your mortgage is guaranteed during the time frame you do so. For example, I got my 6 percent mortgage in 2000 and paid it off in 2005. The S&amp;P 500 during that time had a slightly negative return which made a guaranteed 6 percent rate of return pretty darn nice!

2. Not having to make a mortgage payment is imputed income. What&#039;s imputed income? It&#039;s money you don&#039;t have to earn and pay taxes on. Not having to pay $1,000 a month on a mortgage is the same as making $1,333 (before taxes in the 25 percent tax bracket). Did you ever wonder how many retirees can make ends meet on just Social Security? They own their houses free and clear. 

3. Building on #2, not having to pay a mortgage gives you a very precious non-monetary commodity...and that is freedom of choice. Want to take a lower paying but more satisfying job? Do you desire to cut back on your work to help take care of children or grandchildren? Fed up working for &quot;Da Man&quot; and want to start your own business? No mortgage=less monthly expenses=more choice in life.

4. And finally, life is never either/or. Everybody should have several months of liquid emergency money and everyone who works for a company which matches money in a 401(k) needs to do that before thinking about paying off the mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of the box things to think about regarding mortgage prepayment:</p>
<p>1. The money you pay toward your mortgage is guaranteed during the time frame you do so. For example, I got my 6 percent mortgage in 2000 and paid it off in 2005. The S&amp;P 500 during that time had a slightly negative return which made a guaranteed 6 percent rate of return pretty darn nice!</p>
<p>2. Not having to make a mortgage payment is imputed income. What&#8217;s imputed income? It&#8217;s money you don&#8217;t have to earn and pay taxes on. Not having to pay $1,000 a month on a mortgage is the same as making $1,333 (before taxes in the 25 percent tax bracket). Did you ever wonder how many retirees can make ends meet on just Social Security? They own their houses free and clear. </p>
<p>3. Building on #2, not having to pay a mortgage gives you a very precious non-monetary commodity&#8230;and that is freedom of choice. Want to take a lower paying but more satisfying job? Do you desire to cut back on your work to help take care of children or grandchildren? Fed up working for &#8220;Da Man&#8221; and want to start your own business? No mortgage=less monthly expenses=more choice in life.</p>
<p>4. And finally, life is never either/or. Everybody should have several months of liquid emergency money and everyone who works for a company which matches money in a 401(k) needs to do that before thinking about paying off the mortgage.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-170022</link>
		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael - my calculations come out ahead even if you don&#039;t earn ANY interest on the money you sock away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael &#8211; my calculations come out ahead even if you don&#8217;t earn ANY interest on the money you sock away.</p>
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		<title>By: vh</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/01/31/consumer-reports-march-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-169965</link>
		<dc:creator>vh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I had exactly the same experience with Lowe&#039;s paint--covering WHITE, for heaven&#039;s sake, with a medium shade of blue.

But that was a few years ago. Within the last six months I bought a pint of it just to get a test color and found it covered better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I had exactly the same experience with Lowe&#8217;s paint&#8211;covering WHITE, for heaven&#8217;s sake, with a medium shade of blue.</p>
<p>But that was a few years ago. Within the last six months I bought a pint of it just to get a test color and found it covered better.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Consumer Reports is WAY off regarding the paint.  All paint may be the same if you paint a bare, spankin&#039; new interior wall with a neutral color.  Most people don&#039;t have this luxury.  You need to invest in paint and by far the best is Sherwin Williams.  After FOUR coats of Lowe&#039;s paint Valspar on my cupboards, I can still see the previous color (which was a light grey) AND I used their primer.  Spend the money on the paint, save yourself a SIGNIFICANT amount of time and effort!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Consumer Reports is WAY off regarding the paint.  All paint may be the same if you paint a bare, spankin&#8217; new interior wall with a neutral color.  Most people don&#8217;t have this luxury.  You need to invest in paint and by far the best is Sherwin Williams.  After FOUR coats of Lowe&#8217;s paint Valspar on my cupboards, I can still see the previous color (which was a light grey) AND I used their primer.  Spend the money on the paint, save yourself a SIGNIFICANT amount of time and effort!</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the past 30 years I&#039;ve never used fabric softener or dryer sheets.  I just hang synthetics to dry so they don&#039;t cling and they dry very quickly. If something tends to need ironing, I just dry it for about 5 minutes and then quickly hang it, which saves lots of labor and electricity with the dryer and iron. Give it a try!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past 30 years I&#8217;ve never used fabric softener or dryer sheets.  I just hang synthetics to dry so they don&#8217;t cling and they dry very quickly. If something tends to need ironing, I just dry it for about 5 minutes and then quickly hang it, which saves lots of labor and electricity with the dryer and iron. Give it a try!</p>
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