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	<title>Comments on: Should You Cancel Your Unused Credit Cards or Not?</title>
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		<title>By: Ram</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/01/should-you-cancel-your-unused-credit-cards-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-400303</link>
		<dc:creator>Ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly I have received a letter from the Citibank saying they are going to close my account around the end of this month if I don&#039;t use that card. I hae not used it since April 2006 and the one prior that was sometime in early 2005  and prior to that was in 2004 (and it was around $5 or $10 once a year). I received this card about 8 years ago - a 2nd card I received afer I moved to the States. 

I still have the oldest card and I use it on groceries (approx $300 a month). I have another primary card and 2 other cards not used for a long time now. 

However, I haven&#039;t heard that the credit card companies could close the account (with prior notice) if it was not used for long enough. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly I have received a letter from the Citibank saying they are going to close my account around the end of this month if I don&#8217;t use that card. I hae not used it since April 2006 and the one prior that was sometime in early 2005  and prior to that was in 2004 (and it was around $5 or $10 once a year). I received this card about 8 years ago &#8211; a 2nd card I received afer I moved to the States. </p>
<p>I still have the oldest card and I use it on groceries (approx $300 a month). I have another primary card and 2 other cards not used for a long time now. </p>
<p>However, I haven&#8217;t heard that the credit card companies could close the account (with prior notice) if it was not used for long enough. </p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/01/should-you-cancel-your-unused-credit-cards-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-181395</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, 
I have a credit card with a major back for more than ten years. They charge me $25.00 annual fee with 9.99 interest. I didn&#039;t use that card for last five or six years, though I paid its annual fee every year. Now I thought to use that card and asked for new card. The bank say I have apply as for a new card all the info and the credit history. I don&#039;t mind giving this info but I was pissed off and I demanded to pay me back all the annual fees you have collected for last five six years when it was not used. They are not ready to pay all five years but only the past payment. I demanded to send me written reason for the is not ready to do that either. Whom I could complain about this. Its like a theft from me. I paid that $25.00 annual fee thinking that I could use that card when I needed. 

To whom I could make a complain about this. Is there any other remedies I have for this. Any ombudsman to make a complaint? Please who ever have this info let me know.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I have a credit card with a major back for more than ten years. They charge me $25.00 annual fee with 9.99 interest. I didn&#8217;t use that card for last five or six years, though I paid its annual fee every year. Now I thought to use that card and asked for new card. The bank say I have apply as for a new card all the info and the credit history. I don&#8217;t mind giving this info but I was pissed off and I demanded to pay me back all the annual fees you have collected for last five six years when it was not used. They are not ready to pay all five years but only the past payment. I demanded to send me written reason for the is not ready to do that either. Whom I could complain about this. Its like a theft from me. I paid that $25.00 annual fee thinking that I could use that card when I needed. </p>
<p>To whom I could make a complain about this. Is there any other remedies I have for this. Any ombudsman to make a complaint? Please who ever have this info let me know.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/01/should-you-cancel-your-unused-credit-cards-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-173719</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, cool site. My husband sent a link to me and I&#039;ve been browsing. I have two points to add to this discussion.

Identity theft. Put a &#039;hold&#039; on your credit. Each credit reporting agency has a different process to do this. But what this means is that no one (not even YOU) can get any credit in your name until the hold is removed. So if you have open lines of credit, if hold is put on getting any credit in your name, no company will allow credit to be issued to someone with a hold on their account.

My husband and I have been paying off our cards. We are leaving our credit lines open to better our debt to credit ratio as well. Are we worried about using them again?

Nope - we shredded the cards :)  Can&#039;t use what you don&#039;t have.  We didn&#039;t shred all of them - still have our oldest card. And that one, while kept in a save place at home for emergencies, isn&#039;t carried in our wallet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, cool site. My husband sent a link to me and I&#8217;ve been browsing. I have two points to add to this discussion.</p>
<p>Identity theft. Put a &#8216;hold&#8217; on your credit. Each credit reporting agency has a different process to do this. But what this means is that no one (not even YOU) can get any credit in your name until the hold is removed. So if you have open lines of credit, if hold is put on getting any credit in your name, no company will allow credit to be issued to someone with a hold on their account.</p>
<p>My husband and I have been paying off our cards. We are leaving our credit lines open to better our debt to credit ratio as well. Are we worried about using them again?</p>
<p>Nope &#8211; we shredded the cards :)  Can&#8217;t use what you don&#8217;t have.  We didn&#8217;t shred all of them &#8211; still have our oldest card. And that one, while kept in a save place at home for emergencies, isn&#8217;t carried in our wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: Natural Woman</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/01/should-you-cancel-your-unused-credit-cards-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-173251</link>
		<dc:creator>Natural Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, credit cards are good for nothing. Just a plastic crutch.  Save your cash and you&#039;ll have no need to borrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, credit cards are good for nothing. Just a plastic crutch.  Save your cash and you&#8217;ll have no need to borrow.</p>
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		<title>By: partgypsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>partgypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes the choice is not purely financial but out of principle.  I used to have 2 credit cards, but my oldest one (Capital One)which I never had a late fee, etc on almost doubled their rate in July 2007.  They did not even give me an option to speak a real representative about this change, only giving an automated number if I wanted to decline the change (and thus cancel my card).  So, I cancelled it.  It did take them 4-5 months to finally close my account and actually spoke to me on the phone to talk me out of it, saying how this would hurt my credit, but no deal.  I&#039;m down to 1 card (which I don&#039;t carry a balance on) and that&#039;s fine with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes the choice is not purely financial but out of principle.  I used to have 2 credit cards, but my oldest one (Capital One)which I never had a late fee, etc on almost doubled their rate in July 2007.  They did not even give me an option to speak a real representative about this change, only giving an automated number if I wanted to decline the change (and thus cancel my card).  So, I cancelled it.  It did take them 4-5 months to finally close my account and actually spoke to me on the phone to talk me out of it, saying how this would hurt my credit, but no deal.  I&#8217;m down to 1 card (which I don&#8217;t carry a balance on) and that&#8217;s fine with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Credit</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/01/should-you-cancel-your-unused-credit-cards-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-172146</link>
		<dc:creator>Credit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FICO score is a function of the probability you will default based on real data that were used to train the model. Much of the confusion arises because people assume that it’s a formula with points given and taken for each category or question like on the SAT. If you cancel credit cards, the model predicts that you are a higher risk because future data cannot be gathered for those tradelines. If you cancel credit cards, it is very likely that your score will go down, and it may be a long-term effect that you cannot recover from. My advice is distinct from Trent&#039;s because I would recommend that people who have fixed their spending problems and become responsible with money to apply for more credit -- specifically unsecured credit card tradelines with high credit limits. If used responsibly, this credit history will provide more data and reduce the model-predicted risk, hence increasing your FICO score. A robust, high FICO score is an extremely valuable asset that is often ignored. With the tight credit market we are entering this could be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in decreased cost of home ownership, insurance, and even stable employment. I have learned a great deal reading about personal finance and I enjoy The Simple Dollar tremendously, but I had to speak up because I have a great deal of specific knowledge in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FICO score is a function of the probability you will default based on real data that were used to train the model. Much of the confusion arises because people assume that it’s a formula with points given and taken for each category or question like on the SAT. If you cancel credit cards, the model predicts that you are a higher risk because future data cannot be gathered for those tradelines. If you cancel credit cards, it is very likely that your score will go down, and it may be a long-term effect that you cannot recover from. My advice is distinct from Trent&#8217;s because I would recommend that people who have fixed their spending problems and become responsible with money to apply for more credit &#8212; specifically unsecured credit card tradelines with high credit limits. If used responsibly, this credit history will provide more data and reduce the model-predicted risk, hence increasing your FICO score. A robust, high FICO score is an extremely valuable asset that is often ignored. With the tight credit market we are entering this could be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in decreased cost of home ownership, insurance, and even stable employment. I have learned a great deal reading about personal finance and I enjoy The Simple Dollar tremendously, but I had to speak up because I have a great deal of specific knowledge in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen-Picture of Wealth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen-Picture of Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was only said once above so I just wanted to stress... DO NOT CANCEL all your cards at once.  I did that...along with canceling my oldest card.... many, many years ago.  As for the debate going on between Credit and Trent.... I was very stupid with my money when I was younger and I did open just about every card I could get my hands on. I was also very stupid when I canceled them all at once.  I think this post was written for people who were like me but have gotten a hold on things.  They may still have those cards sitting around from their &quot;stupid&quot; days too.  So, we are not talking about irresponsible people,just people who made mistakes in the past. I think most people realize, I hope, that canceling credit cards is not going to fix their finances. I do believe you need to cancel unused cards for many reasons.  I also agree with Dave Ramsey though that you should get to a point where you don&#039;t care what your FICO is because you aren&#039;t using any credit. Funny thing is, when you get to that point it seems like your score is just fine anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was only said once above so I just wanted to stress&#8230; DO NOT CANCEL all your cards at once.  I did that&#8230;along with canceling my oldest card&#8230;. many, many years ago.  As for the debate going on between Credit and Trent&#8230;. I was very stupid with my money when I was younger and I did open just about every card I could get my hands on. I was also very stupid when I canceled them all at once.  I think this post was written for people who were like me but have gotten a hold on things.  They may still have those cards sitting around from their &#8220;stupid&#8221; days too.  So, we are not talking about irresponsible people,just people who made mistakes in the past. I think most people realize, I hope, that canceling credit cards is not going to fix their finances. I do believe you need to cancel unused cards for many reasons.  I also agree with Dave Ramsey though that you should get to a point where you don&#8217;t care what your FICO is because you aren&#8217;t using any credit. Funny thing is, when you get to that point it seems like your score is just fine anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurker Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frugal Bachelor - Deadbeats are folks that don&#039;t pay their bills.  Canceling some unused credit cards does not make anyone a deadbeat unless they were written off by the bank as uncollectable.  So I don&#039;t understand how you connected the dots.  Anyway, I&#039;ll attempt an explanation to clarify my situation.

My rentals were in Baltimore, a city with very low rental vacancy rates and very high drug/alcohol dependancy rates.  It is estimated about half the adult population are alcoholics and drug addicts.  In a social climate where most potential renters have chemical dependancies, not verifying information on applications is financial suicide.

Checking credit histories has nothing to do nitpicking over several canceled credit cards.  It has everything to do with deciding which applicants are most likely to pay the rent in a timely manner.  Financially responsible tenants are more likely to keep the property in good condition and not convert it into a meth lab or crack den.  Unfortunately for most landlords, the best renters soon become home owners - thus the search for good tenants begins anew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frugal Bachelor &#8211; Deadbeats are folks that don&#8217;t pay their bills.  Canceling some unused credit cards does not make anyone a deadbeat unless they were written off by the bank as uncollectable.  So I don&#8217;t understand how you connected the dots.  Anyway, I&#8217;ll attempt an explanation to clarify my situation.</p>
<p>My rentals were in Baltimore, a city with very low rental vacancy rates and very high drug/alcohol dependancy rates.  It is estimated about half the adult population are alcoholics and drug addicts.  In a social climate where most potential renters have chemical dependancies, not verifying information on applications is financial suicide.</p>
<p>Checking credit histories has nothing to do nitpicking over several canceled credit cards.  It has everything to do with deciding which applicants are most likely to pay the rent in a timely manner.  Financially responsible tenants are more likely to keep the property in good condition and not convert it into a meth lab or crack den.  Unfortunately for most landlords, the best renters soon become home owners &#8211; thus the search for good tenants begins anew.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cancelling a credit card with a poor payment history DOES NOT erase it from your credit report.  It will still show up as a closed account on your credit report.  You still have to wait the 7 years before it drops off.  I don&#039;t know if having it closed versus open helps your score, but the negative information will still be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cancelling a credit card with a poor payment history DOES NOT erase it from your credit report.  It will still show up as a closed account on your credit report.  You still have to wait the 7 years before it drops off.  I don&#8217;t know if having it closed versus open helps your score, but the negative information will still be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit said, &quot;The risk model rewards having a strong data set that demonstrates responsibility (more than 1-2 cards, long history, etc)... ...I believe this is extremely poor, misguided, and potentially expensive advice.&quot;

I think you&#039;re both saying about the same thing.  I don&#039;t think Trent said 1 or 2 cards; in fact, he emphasized &quot;only have a few cards to begin with&quot;. 

I don&#039;t claim to be a pro at this game but I have done my best to maintain good credit and have followed a methodology pretty close to the one recommended here (beginning before I began lurking here). I&#039;m currently sporting a 770+ score; a recent home purchase bumped me up 20+ points.  I wouldn&#039;t say Trent is giving extremely poor and misguided advice.  You sell Trent short with such an offhand statement. Many folks would do well to heed what they read here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit said, &#8220;The risk model rewards having a strong data set that demonstrates responsibility (more than 1-2 cards, long history, etc)&#8230; &#8230;I believe this is extremely poor, misguided, and potentially expensive advice.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re both saying about the same thing.  I don&#8217;t think Trent said 1 or 2 cards; in fact, he emphasized &#8220;only have a few cards to begin with&#8221;. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t claim to be a pro at this game but I have done my best to maintain good credit and have followed a methodology pretty close to the one recommended here (beginning before I began lurking here). I&#8217;m currently sporting a 770+ score; a recent home purchase bumped me up 20+ points.  I wouldn&#8217;t say Trent is giving extremely poor and misguided advice.  You sell Trent short with such an offhand statement. Many folks would do well to heed what they read here.</p>
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		<title>By: !wanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>!wanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, does anyone know how credit card companies set their limits?  Across the two cards that are mine exclusively, my combined limit is very close to my annual income, which is ridiculous.  The vast majority of that limit comes from the cards giving me a high limit initially and then, without input from me, upping it every year.  I understand that a high limit is good for my credit score, but I&#039;d like to know what these companies are thinking.  

Credit card companies used to be much more conservative.  My father said that he was so proud when he was 30-something and Amex finally decided he was credit-worthy enough to sent him an application for a card.  I&#039;ve been getting them in droves since I was 16.  Has the market changed, or have credit card companies just figured out how to make more money off of people in debt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, does anyone know how credit card companies set their limits?  Across the two cards that are mine exclusively, my combined limit is very close to my annual income, which is ridiculous.  The vast majority of that limit comes from the cards giving me a high limit initially and then, without input from me, upping it every year.  I understand that a high limit is good for my credit score, but I&#8217;d like to know what these companies are thinking.  </p>
<p>Credit card companies used to be much more conservative.  My father said that he was so proud when he was 30-something and Amex finally decided he was credit-worthy enough to sent him an application for a card.  I&#8217;ve been getting them in droves since I was 16.  Has the market changed, or have credit card companies just figured out how to make more money off of people in debt?</p>
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		<title>By: !wanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>!wanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, if you want to borrow money, the lender ought to look at the FICO score- it&#039;s designed to measure creditworthiness.  I&#039;m not so convinced that the raw score is a good measure for the other sorts of people who want to know it nowadays, like landlords, employers, and insurance companies.  A very poor score ought to raise red flags, but if I were a landlord, I&#039;d prefer someone with no debt to someone with debt and a slightly higher FICO score.  

Indeed, my boyfriend and I been applying for apartments lately in a very competitive market (San Francisco), and landlords always ask for our credit reports.  Our FICO scores are not as high as they could be, since we always pay off credit cards and we&#039;ve never had any other type of debt, but it turns out that&#039;s OK because nearly all of them are happy with the free credit reports that you can get over the internet, which don&#039;t have scores.  I guess landlords are happy with that, since we&#039;ve been offered two apartments so far, which is pretty good when you consider that maybe 10 people apply for each one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, if you want to borrow money, the lender ought to look at the FICO score- it&#8217;s designed to measure creditworthiness.  I&#8217;m not so convinced that the raw score is a good measure for the other sorts of people who want to know it nowadays, like landlords, employers, and insurance companies.  A very poor score ought to raise red flags, but if I were a landlord, I&#8217;d prefer someone with no debt to someone with debt and a slightly higher FICO score.  </p>
<p>Indeed, my boyfriend and I been applying for apartments lately in a very competitive market (San Francisco), and landlords always ask for our credit reports.  Our FICO scores are not as high as they could be, since we always pay off credit cards and we&#8217;ve never had any other type of debt, but it turns out that&#8217;s OK because nearly all of them are happy with the free credit reports that you can get over the internet, which don&#8217;t have scores.  I guess landlords are happy with that, since we&#8217;ve been offered two apartments so far, which is pretty good when you consider that maybe 10 people apply for each one.</p>
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		<title>By: Credit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Credit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I read the post. If someone is so irresponsible that they can not handle having a credit card, then they have a deeper issue to be addressed. Canceling the credit card does not solve the underlying problem. That was my point and it&#039;s distinct from your post. I would never recommend that someone pare down their credit cards to 1 or 2 right before they apply for a mortgage. The risk model rewards having a strong data set that demonstrates responsibility (more than 1-2 cards, long history, etc). I believe this is extremely poor, misguided, and potentially expensive advice. The rest of your advice is great and I think you do a great job of explaining complex issues clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I read the post. If someone is so irresponsible that they can not handle having a credit card, then they have a deeper issue to be addressed. Canceling the credit card does not solve the underlying problem. That was my point and it&#8217;s distinct from your post. I would never recommend that someone pare down their credit cards to 1 or 2 right before they apply for a mortgage. The risk model rewards having a strong data set that demonstrates responsibility (more than 1-2 cards, long history, etc). I believe this is extremely poor, misguided, and potentially expensive advice. The rest of your advice is great and I think you do a great job of explaining complex issues clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: one of nine</title>
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		<dc:creator>one of nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Trey, how bad is it if you have a couple credit cards with larger balances that are taking a while to pay off? I have two cards with a total of $12,000 that we just haven&#039;t been able to pay down (my husband and I have both started businesses, his family is in Brazil, we&#039;ve made a couple of &quot;emergency trips&quot; there when his grandma was in poor health). I have three other cards which I put small expenses on and pay them off in full every month. But these large sums we are struggling with. I am sure it is bad to have so much debt on two cards (stagnating for almost two years-- we&#039;re paying little more than the interest on each one every month.

I&#039;m sure this is affecting my credit score-- but I don&#039;t know how to resolve it (other than being ad frugal as possible and praying for business to pick up). Any comments would be welcome!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Trey, how bad is it if you have a couple credit cards with larger balances that are taking a while to pay off? I have two cards with a total of $12,000 that we just haven&#8217;t been able to pay down (my husband and I have both started businesses, his family is in Brazil, we&#8217;ve made a couple of &#8220;emergency trips&#8221; there when his grandma was in poor health). I have three other cards which I put small expenses on and pay them off in full every month. But these large sums we are struggling with. I am sure it is bad to have so much debt on two cards (stagnating for almost two years&#8211; we&#8217;re paying little more than the interest on each one every month.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure this is affecting my credit score&#8211; but I don&#8217;t know how to resolve it (other than being ad frugal as possible and praying for business to pick up). Any comments would be welcome!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solely because of the concern of taking a FICO hit, I have two credit cards that I haven&#039;t used in years (and I really do mean years) that I haven&#039;t canceled. No fees on them, no balances on them, no nothing.  Kind of silly. Maybe after I finally get the house and mortgage I really want, they&#039;ll go away.
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Ryan
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solely because of the concern of taking a FICO hit, I have two credit cards that I haven&#8217;t used in years (and I really do mean years) that I haven&#8217;t canceled. No fees on them, no balances on them, no nothing.  Kind of silly. Maybe after I finally get the house and mortgage I really want, they&#8217;ll go away.<br />
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Ryan<br />
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a card that was never activted be a victim of fraud.  My husband was sent a card to replace one he used years ago and that we no longer use.  We put it in a safe place and never activated it.  Then we got a call about 3 months later that someone had made several large internet purchases.  It had to be internal fraud cause we had not used that card in 5 years and we hadn&#039;t even activated the current card.

Instances like that make me want to cancel all my unused credit cards.  Fortunately my oldest is one I still use frequently - so it won&#039;t be cancelled.  But the others I am going to cancel one by one every 2 months or so.  It shouldn&#039;t reduce my score too terribly.  Besides, I just refinanced and I have no other loans outstanding (and won&#039;t be taking on any).  So at this point my FICO score is irrelevant to me and should be for a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a card that was never activted be a victim of fraud.  My husband was sent a card to replace one he used years ago and that we no longer use.  We put it in a safe place and never activated it.  Then we got a call about 3 months later that someone had made several large internet purchases.  It had to be internal fraud cause we had not used that card in 5 years and we hadn&#8217;t even activated the current card.</p>
<p>Instances like that make me want to cancel all my unused credit cards.  Fortunately my oldest is one I still use frequently &#8211; so it won&#8217;t be cancelled.  But the others I am going to cancel one by one every 2 months or so.  It shouldn&#8217;t reduce my score too terribly.  Besides, I just refinanced and I have no other loans outstanding (and won&#8217;t be taking on any).  So at this point my FICO score is irrelevant to me and should be for a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Bachelor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Bachelor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lurker Carl - &quot;This is nothing new, I used credit histories 25 years ago for qualifing renters. It’s a very effective tool to weed out deadbeats.&quot;

I don&#039;t disagree, but how does canceling a credit card make me a &quot;deadbeat&quot;? I have perfect credit with 10+ year credit history, not a single late payment (nor judgment, payoff, bankruptcy, etc.), almost no debt (less than 1% of available credit), and many open accounts of different types. If canceling a credit card caused a prospective landlord to even raise an eyebrow because it dropped my score by a few points, I will look elsewhere (my city has very high vacancy rate so I can be very picky) because I would take that as a major warning sign: unwillingness to dig into a credit report and just blindly look at the score, probably indicates a landlord who will just put some paint over the ceiling to make a leak go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lurker Carl &#8211; &#8220;This is nothing new, I used credit histories 25 years ago for qualifing renters. It’s a very effective tool to weed out deadbeats.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree, but how does canceling a credit card make me a &#8220;deadbeat&#8221;? I have perfect credit with 10+ year credit history, not a single late payment (nor judgment, payoff, bankruptcy, etc.), almost no debt (less than 1% of available credit), and many open accounts of different types. If canceling a credit card caused a prospective landlord to even raise an eyebrow because it dropped my score by a few points, I will look elsewhere (my city has very high vacancy rate so I can be very picky) because I would take that as a major warning sign: unwillingness to dig into a credit report and just blindly look at the score, probably indicates a landlord who will just put some paint over the ceiling to make a leak go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Dividends4Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividends4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to see an article with tips on how to cancel your credit cards.

It seems as that it is as difficult to cancel them as it was easy to get them.

Best Wishes,
D4L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see an article with tips on how to cancel your credit cards.</p>
<p>It seems as that it is as difficult to cancel them as it was easy to get them.</p>
<p>Best Wishes,<br />
D4L</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit wrote &quot;The best approach is first to not to abuse credit.&quot;

That&#039;s, uh, exactly my conclusion.  I guess you didn&#039;t read the post.  My last bolded sentence was &quot;the best thing you can do is to only have a few cards to begin with and, most importantly, don’t put a lot of money on the cards.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit wrote &#8220;The best approach is first to not to abuse credit.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s, uh, exactly my conclusion.  I guess you didn&#8217;t read the post.  My last bolded sentence was &#8220;the best thing you can do is to only have a few cards to begin with and, most importantly, don’t put a lot of money on the cards.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Credit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Credit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As stated in a previous post, I feel this is poor advice. This is one of the best personal finance blogs around with a wealth of great information, but I do not believe this approach is best. The best approach is first to not to abuse credit. If you lack the self control to use credit cards responsibly, you will be better off with a ding on the credit score than an army of collectors following you. Since the FICO score is the result of a risk model with real data, logical inferences do not apply. The percent contribution breakdown you provide oversimplifies the model because there are interactions between variables and the use of scorecards means your score could change unpredictably if you switch. For instance, if you have good credit for someone with a bankruptcy, your score may drop when accounts included in the bankruptcy drop off of your report because your risk is then compared to a population without a record of bankruptcy. Other events including closing old accounts could change your scorecard. For secured loans, the standard is rising to 750 or even 760 to qualify for the best rates. Closing a card before applying for a mortgage is likely to induce a score drop below this threshold for many people -- in essence costing people thousands of dollars. Manual underwriting usually only occurs for those who have borderline poor credit or the internal computer models raise a red flag. Perhaps there was evidence of your past spending behavior in the data set used to evaluate your creditworthiness. These manual underwriters frequently provide advice that will cost you money on a future home, insurance, and may influence employment because they do not understand the risk model. Also, I think it is important to distinguish between credit card fraud and identity theft. Identity theft is typically when someone assumes your identity using your social security number or other personal information, whereas credit card fraud would occur if someone obtained your credit card number or one of those stupid balance transfer checks they send once a week for many cards. Your social security number may still be stored in a credit card company’s database even after you terminate a business relationship with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As stated in a previous post, I feel this is poor advice. This is one of the best personal finance blogs around with a wealth of great information, but I do not believe this approach is best. The best approach is first to not to abuse credit. If you lack the self control to use credit cards responsibly, you will be better off with a ding on the credit score than an army of collectors following you. Since the FICO score is the result of a risk model with real data, logical inferences do not apply. The percent contribution breakdown you provide oversimplifies the model because there are interactions between variables and the use of scorecards means your score could change unpredictably if you switch. For instance, if you have good credit for someone with a bankruptcy, your score may drop when accounts included in the bankruptcy drop off of your report because your risk is then compared to a population without a record of bankruptcy. Other events including closing old accounts could change your scorecard. For secured loans, the standard is rising to 750 or even 760 to qualify for the best rates. Closing a card before applying for a mortgage is likely to induce a score drop below this threshold for many people &#8212; in essence costing people thousands of dollars. Manual underwriting usually only occurs for those who have borderline poor credit or the internal computer models raise a red flag. Perhaps there was evidence of your past spending behavior in the data set used to evaluate your creditworthiness. These manual underwriters frequently provide advice that will cost you money on a future home, insurance, and may influence employment because they do not understand the risk model. Also, I think it is important to distinguish between credit card fraud and identity theft. Identity theft is typically when someone assumes your identity using your social security number or other personal information, whereas credit card fraud would occur if someone obtained your credit card number or one of those stupid balance transfer checks they send once a week for many cards. Your social security number may still be stored in a credit card company’s database even after you terminate a business relationship with them.</p>
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