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	<title>Comments on: Review: Debt is Slavery</title>
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	<description>Simple, applicable personal finance advice for the modern world</description>
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		<title>By: Jeramiah</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/29/review-debt-is-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-752043</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeramiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Troy (#46)
Your comment that slavery is not a choice while debt is a choice is wrong.  Many people in history has chosen to be a slave.  Even the Bible talks about if a freeman chooses to be a lifetime slave he can.  Slavery can often be a choice.

Not all slave masters have the same rights and bondage has it&#039;s benefits.  Slavery is anytime where one has obligations therefore slavery is a necessary part of life.  As the Apostle Paul said, he was a slave to God.

I am eager to read the book since I have had it suggested to me more than once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Troy (#46)<br />
Your comment that slavery is not a choice while debt is a choice is wrong.  Many people in history has chosen to be a slave.  Even the Bible talks about if a freeman chooses to be a lifetime slave he can.  Slavery can often be a choice.</p>
<p>Not all slave masters have the same rights and bondage has it&#8217;s benefits.  Slavery is anytime where one has obligations therefore slavery is a necessary part of life.  As the Apostle Paul said, he was a slave to God.</p>
<p>I am eager to read the book since I have had it suggested to me more than once.</p>
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		<title>By: snapicus</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/29/review-debt-is-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-751680</link>
		<dc:creator>snapicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I went through Dave Ramsey&#039;s Financial Peace University shortly after getting married.  We&#039;ve been paying down our debt at an incredible rate after we decided we were going to put our shoulders into it, cut down to nothing and go nuts.  I&#039;m very interested to read this book and see if he has anything to say that Ramsey hasn&#039;t.

We&#039;ve paid off $56,000 of $63k on a household income of $55k annually in 24 months and will be debt free very shortly. It IS possible to save 50 % of your income, you just have to decide that you&#039;re going to, then find the way to do it.

Let the &quot;sophisticated&quot; broke people have their theories about good debt and playing the money game.  I&#039;ll settle for being a rich, debt-free simpleton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I went through Dave Ramsey&#8217;s Financial Peace University shortly after getting married.  We&#8217;ve been paying down our debt at an incredible rate after we decided we were going to put our shoulders into it, cut down to nothing and go nuts.  I&#8217;m very interested to read this book and see if he has anything to say that Ramsey hasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve paid off $56,000 of $63k on a household income of $55k annually in 24 months and will be debt free very shortly. It IS possible to save 50 % of your income, you just have to decide that you&#8217;re going to, then find the way to do it.</p>
<p>Let the &#8220;sophisticated&#8221; broke people have their theories about good debt and playing the money game.  I&#8217;ll settle for being a rich, debt-free simpleton.</p>
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		<title>By: tomas real</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomas real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberty is the freedom from debt. Being in debt is to be owned by your obligation to pay. We had debtor’s prisons in the United States until 1833. How can anyone believe that being owned in this way by another is to have liberty? Doesn’t the word liberty come from being liberated? Liberated from what? Liberty is to be liberated from debt. Even the lords prayer says forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. 

Obviously when the government puts you in eternal debt as they do with property tax they have prevented your ability to acquire liberty. 

Being forced into debt with property tax means we can never be free. Because of property tax you can never own your home and you can never be free from debt. If you cant own your home what can you own?  Althought this book has hit the nail on the head the fact is our government has made liberty impossible by stealing the ownership of our homes. 

Perhaps the greatest lie ever told is the American Dream of home ownership as property tax clearly prohibits ownership making it impossible to ever become free from debt. Property tax is the evolution of serfdom where kings and lords have been replaced by rulers of the State. This medieval extortion, collected on unrealized capital gains, makes the peoples homes into investments of the State. Property tax forces the people into government servitude in order to keep their homes. Clearly as in the past, modern day serfdom is intended to prevent the people from ever acquiring liberty. With property tax the people must pay with government currency. Gone are the good old days when you could pay with chickens, some other farm product or manual labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberty is the freedom from debt. Being in debt is to be owned by your obligation to pay. We had debtor’s prisons in the United States until 1833. How can anyone believe that being owned in this way by another is to have liberty? Doesn’t the word liberty come from being liberated? Liberated from what? Liberty is to be liberated from debt. Even the lords prayer says forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. </p>
<p>Obviously when the government puts you in eternal debt as they do with property tax they have prevented your ability to acquire liberty. </p>
<p>Being forced into debt with property tax means we can never be free. Because of property tax you can never own your home and you can never be free from debt. If you cant own your home what can you own?  Althought this book has hit the nail on the head the fact is our government has made liberty impossible by stealing the ownership of our homes. </p>
<p>Perhaps the greatest lie ever told is the American Dream of home ownership as property tax clearly prohibits ownership making it impossible to ever become free from debt. Property tax is the evolution of serfdom where kings and lords have been replaced by rulers of the State. This medieval extortion, collected on unrealized capital gains, makes the peoples homes into investments of the State. Property tax forces the people into government servitude in order to keep their homes. Clearly as in the past, modern day serfdom is intended to prevent the people from ever acquiring liberty. With property tax the people must pay with government currency. Gone are the good old days when you could pay with chickens, some other farm product or manual labor.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/29/review-debt-is-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-711125</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last November I decided to employ most of the strategies you just summarized here.  Since then I&#039;ve paid off $16k in consumer debt and school loans.  I earn $43k a year after taxes, so that equates to over half my income that I can put in savings.  This idea is obvious once you&#039;ve really committed to being debt free and staying that way.  

To Troy: 

I couldn&#039;t disagree with your comment more. Debt makes other people richer.  That&#039;s all there is to it.  There are fundamentals in finance, and when you try to obscure them you&#039;re just setting yourself up for long term trouble.  Debt does restrict freedom, the clear intent of the author&#039;s use of the word slavery.  When you take on a mortgage, you give away a piece of it to some faceless bank.  Which is better, to wait and pay for property entirely in cash or get it now and tie yourself down while helping to enrich banksters?  Likewise, why get a car loan instead of using cash to purchase the car you can afford.

Maybe debt is a good tool for creating illusions, but then I don&#039;t believe that illusions have value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last November I decided to employ most of the strategies you just summarized here.  Since then I&#8217;ve paid off $16k in consumer debt and school loans.  I earn $43k a year after taxes, so that equates to over half my income that I can put in savings.  This idea is obvious once you&#8217;ve really committed to being debt free and staying that way.  </p>
<p>To Troy: </p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t disagree with your comment more. Debt makes other people richer.  That&#8217;s all there is to it.  There are fundamentals in finance, and when you try to obscure them you&#8217;re just setting yourself up for long term trouble.  Debt does restrict freedom, the clear intent of the author&#8217;s use of the word slavery.  When you take on a mortgage, you give away a piece of it to some faceless bank.  Which is better, to wait and pay for property entirely in cash or get it now and tie yourself down while helping to enrich banksters?  Likewise, why get a car loan instead of using cash to purchase the car you can afford.</p>
<p>Maybe debt is a good tool for creating illusions, but then I don&#8217;t believe that illusions have value.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the site

Debt is slavery?  Not so much.  Cute title intended to garner interest, and it works.  Debt is debt.  It is a tool, as all money is.  Most people do not know how it works, or how to use it, but debt is not inherently bad, just improper use of it.

Slavery is  &quot;The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.&quot;

That generally means being a slave is by force, not choice.  Debt is not by force, all by choice.

The problem most people have with debt is they do not understand it.  Most people live paycheck to paycheck.  They use debt not as a tool, but as a crutch to live beyond their means.  Debt is not bad, spending more to live than you have or earn is.  But that is not as catchy a title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the site</p>
<p>Debt is slavery?  Not so much.  Cute title intended to garner interest, and it works.  Debt is debt.  It is a tool, as all money is.  Most people do not know how it works, or how to use it, but debt is not inherently bad, just improper use of it.</p>
<p>Slavery is  &#8220;The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.&#8221;</p>
<p>That generally means being a slave is by force, not choice.  Debt is not by force, all by choice.</p>
<p>The problem most people have with debt is they do not understand it.  Most people live paycheck to paycheck.  They use debt not as a tool, but as a crutch to live beyond their means.  Debt is not bad, spending more to live than you have or earn is.  But that is not as catchy a title.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real irony here is that if you follow the &quot;no debt&quot; mantra, your credit score will really drop. I guess if you&#039;re sure you&#039;ll never again need to finance a car loan, a mortgage, student loans, etc., then your credit score doesn&#039;t matter. but it&#039;s impossible to anticipate every future event, sidestep emergencies, etc. So then what do you do? We don&#039;t always have the luxury of timeto defer buying a new vehicle until we&#039;ve sasved the cash if the old one died and we need to get to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real irony here is that if you follow the &#8220;no debt&#8221; mantra, your credit score will really drop. I guess if you&#8217;re sure you&#8217;ll never again need to finance a car loan, a mortgage, student loans, etc., then your credit score doesn&#8217;t matter. but it&#8217;s impossible to anticipate every future event, sidestep emergencies, etc. So then what do you do? We don&#8217;t always have the luxury of timeto defer buying a new vehicle until we&#8217;ve sasved the cash if the old one died and we need to get to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Lise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to agree with all points but the last. I&#039;m beginning to move away from the &quot;owning is better&quot; philosophy, largely because I think such large, fixed possessions are slavery of their own. If you don&#039;t want to deal with maintenance, you should not have a house. And if you do have a house, there is no guarantee that that&#039;s a winning investment over renting, especially if you take into account your hourly wage for maintaining it. Same goes for leasing vs. buying a car. 

Think what you would do if you needed to move: what would be quicker: selling your house and car, or ending your leases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to agree with all points but the last. I&#8217;m beginning to move away from the &#8220;owning is better&#8221; philosophy, largely because I think such large, fixed possessions are slavery of their own. If you don&#8217;t want to deal with maintenance, you should not have a house. And if you do have a house, there is no guarantee that that&#8217;s a winning investment over renting, especially if you take into account your hourly wage for maintaining it. Same goes for leasing vs. buying a car. </p>
<p>Think what you would do if you needed to move: what would be quicker: selling your house and car, or ending your leases?</p>
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		<title>By: boardmadd</title>
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		<dc:creator>boardmadd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF you cannot do 50% out of the gate (I know I can&#039;t currently) start with what you *can* do (perhaps you can do 15% to start or even 5% if that&#039;s all you can really muster). Make a commitment every quarter to raise the amount of ssaving by 1%. This was a trick that I used to allow myself to make adjustments gradually and experiment on methods that would allow me to meet the goals instead of going into severe austerity mode. Austerity can be great for short term boosts, but it&#039;s really hard to live that way long term. By allowing yourself the opportunity to try things out at a 1% increment each quarter, you get the opportunity to really see if your changes are one&#039;s you can stick with. If you determine that 1% is too slow or conservative, up it to 2% or 3% per quarter :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF you cannot do 50% out of the gate (I know I can&#8217;t currently) start with what you *can* do (perhaps you can do 15% to start or even 5% if that&#8217;s all you can really muster). Make a commitment every quarter to raise the amount of ssaving by 1%. This was a trick that I used to allow myself to make adjustments gradually and experiment on methods that would allow me to meet the goals instead of going into severe austerity mode. Austerity can be great for short term boosts, but it&#8217;s really hard to live that way long term. By allowing yourself the opportunity to try things out at a 1% increment each quarter, you get the opportunity to really see if your changes are one&#8217;s you can stick with. If you determine that 1% is too slow or conservative, up it to 2% or 3% per quarter :).</p>
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		<title>By: Trees Full of Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trees Full of Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to check it out!  There truly was nothing more liberating than the feeling of paying off my last non-mortgage debt.  Can&#039;t wait to get the house paid off, but it&#039;s going to be a while!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to check it out!  There truly was nothing more liberating than the feeling of paying off my last non-mortgage debt.  Can&#8217;t wait to get the house paid off, but it&#8217;s going to be a while!!</p>
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		<title>By: Macinac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macinac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the principle, I think it&#039;s clear that not everyone can save half their income. For one thing, as you go to smaller and smaller incomes this becomes harder and harder. For another, people who have large obligations relative to their incomes will find this difficult (suppose you had nine kids and made minimum wage).

I do understand that people survive at every level, so that in general one could reposition to a lower place and still get along. For some incomes, though, that lower level looks too unattractive. For example, some people will cut by going from steak to chicken. Others will go from chicken down to eggs. Yet others will cut out the eggs and eat only potatoes. Finally, those already having only potatoes will eat every other day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the principle, I think it&#8217;s clear that not everyone can save half their income. For one thing, as you go to smaller and smaller incomes this becomes harder and harder. For another, people who have large obligations relative to their incomes will find this difficult (suppose you had nine kids and made minimum wage).</p>
<p>I do understand that people survive at every level, so that in general one could reposition to a lower place and still get along. For some incomes, though, that lower level looks too unattractive. For example, some people will cut by going from steak to chicken. Others will go from chicken down to eggs. Yet others will cut out the eggs and eat only potatoes. Finally, those already having only potatoes will eat every other day.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbuddha</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbuddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm ... don&#039;t buy anything with debt.  OK, so if every individual followed this track, how could anyone possibly look to expand or even purchase a half decent business.  

Debt for investing purposes is a very valid strategy.

It&#039;s what makes the world go round economically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm &#8230; don&#8217;t buy anything with debt.  OK, so if every individual followed this track, how could anyone possibly look to expand or even purchase a half decent business.  </p>
<p>Debt for investing purposes is a very valid strategy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s what makes the world go round economically.</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/29/review-debt-is-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-195902</link>
		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the expenses Phil listed are on the low side. Our expenses for 2:  mortgage: 486, food 160
car ins: 116, home ins: 36
prop taxes: 150
health ins for 2 via gov&#039;t employer: 350
gas for my car for work: 301, 310 more for spouse
electric: 108, gas for heat: 120, water &amp; sewer:66
cell phones: 79, house phone: 39</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the expenses Phil listed are on the low side. Our expenses for 2:  mortgage: 486, food 160<br />
car ins: 116, home ins: 36<br />
prop taxes: 150<br />
health ins for 2 via gov&#8217;t employer: 350<br />
gas for my car for work: 301, 310 more for spouse<br />
electric: 108, gas for heat: 120, water &amp; sewer:66<br />
cell phones: 79, house phone: 39</p>
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		<title>By: overcoming overspending</title>
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		<dc:creator>overcoming overspending</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am always amazed also at what some folks say they are paying for gasoline. Where I live it is now $3.20 per gallon. Above someone else mentioned $100 a month on gas? I am paying close to that per week! I guess it all depends on what kind of car you drive (I do not and never will drive an SUV or a truck) and how far your commute is. I drive around 60 miles per day to and from work. Why don&#039;t you move closer to work?, you might ask....well, rents are about double in the town where I work. Life these days is expensive....no way around it. And now I hear that gas will be closer to 4.00 per gallon come summer time....YIKES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always amazed also at what some folks say they are paying for gasoline. Where I live it is now $3.20 per gallon. Above someone else mentioned $100 a month on gas? I am paying close to that per week! I guess it all depends on what kind of car you drive (I do not and never will drive an SUV or a truck) and how far your commute is. I drive around 60 miles per day to and from work. Why don&#8217;t you move closer to work?, you might ask&#8230;.well, rents are about double in the town where I work. Life these days is expensive&#8230;.no way around it. And now I hear that gas will be closer to 4.00 per gallon come summer time&#8230;.YIKES.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/29/review-debt-is-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-195291</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps instead of thinking about SAVING 50% of one&#039;s income, one could work on SPENDING LESS than 50% (after putting $ into retirement plans and scheduled savings accounts). I agree that this is a subtle difference but it is worth considering. It keeps one constanting looking for a way to minimize expenses, socking away small amounts at a time. Also, it moves one away from &quot;deprivation mode&quot;, which in my mind says, &quot;I saved, and therefore I do not have it to spend.(deprivation)&quot; Instead, one should have an &quot;abundance&quot; mindset towards spending that says, &quot;If I get this $14 shirt instead of this $17 shirt, I will still have a great shirt (abundance) and also save $3 (abundance again).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps instead of thinking about SAVING 50% of one&#8217;s income, one could work on SPENDING LESS than 50% (after putting $ into retirement plans and scheduled savings accounts). I agree that this is a subtle difference but it is worth considering. It keeps one constanting looking for a way to minimize expenses, socking away small amounts at a time. Also, it moves one away from &#8220;deprivation mode&#8221;, which in my mind says, &#8220;I saved, and therefore I do not have it to spend.(deprivation)&#8221; Instead, one should have an &#8220;abundance&#8221; mindset towards spending that says, &#8220;If I get this $14 shirt instead of this $17 shirt, I will still have a great shirt (abundance) and also save $3 (abundance again).</p>
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		<title>By: David Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I am on the side that debt for the sake of investment&#039;s isn&#039;t always a bad idea. 

However on the side of those who think of debt as slavery let us translate the word mortgage from it&#039;s word roots:
Mort = Death
Gage = Grip
Mortgage = Deathgrip...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I am on the side that debt for the sake of investment&#8217;s isn&#8217;t always a bad idea. </p>
<p>However on the side of those who think of debt as slavery let us translate the word mortgage from it&#8217;s word roots:<br />
Mort = Death<br />
Gage = Grip<br />
Mortgage = Deathgrip&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/29/review-debt-is-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-195202</link>
		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get the sentiment, but the &#039;buy experiences not things&#039; meme that&#039;s running about the saving community (for want of a better word) isn&#039;t unchallengeable, in my view.

We all know we don&#039;t remember everything. Who over 40 remembers they&#039;re college years in great detail? I know I saw hundreds of bands, but I can&#039;t remember more than a dozen or so.

At least if you buy a bit of land you know you&#039;re going to be able to walk about it next year, rather than wondering where it went.

Don&#039;t buy anything with debt though, quite agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the sentiment, but the &#8216;buy experiences not things&#8217; meme that&#8217;s running about the saving community (for want of a better word) isn&#8217;t unchallengeable, in my view.</p>
<p>We all know we don&#8217;t remember everything. Who over 40 remembers they&#8217;re college years in great detail? I know I saw hundreds of bands, but I can&#8217;t remember more than a dozen or so.</p>
<p>At least if you buy a bit of land you know you&#8217;re going to be able to walk about it next year, rather than wondering where it went.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t buy anything with debt though, quite agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mr. Nickle  Another way for folks to look at it is that even if you started with saving 10% and added 1% per year, after 40 years (e.g. retirement) you&#039;d be used to living on half your earnings.  I have also, to a lesser extent, used this plan to help fund my kids college and increase my retirement over the years.  Once the kids are in college, that same level of savings can be switched over to my personal savings.

@ Ken  Who says you can&#039;t spend money for fun?  Part of you&#039;re budget, once you&#039;ve got an emergency fund, and the debt is paid off should be put towards vacations or other fun stuff.  The only point is you don&#039;t go nuts on it, you plan for it and save for it and not go back into debt for it.  It sounds like you&#039;re considering this a debt diet.  But no diet really works if you get to your goal weight, then stop exercising and start pigging out in celebration.  If you do it right, you can probably ease back on the intensity a bit and it should be easier to maintain your lifestyle while still meeting your goals.  Hopefully through the process you learned that you control what you choose to spend your money on, so lay out a plan forward to hopefully include some mind blowing trips and excursions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mr. Nickle  Another way for folks to look at it is that even if you started with saving 10% and added 1% per year, after 40 years (e.g. retirement) you&#8217;d be used to living on half your earnings.  I have also, to a lesser extent, used this plan to help fund my kids college and increase my retirement over the years.  Once the kids are in college, that same level of savings can be switched over to my personal savings.</p>
<p>@ Ken  Who says you can&#8217;t spend money for fun?  Part of you&#8217;re budget, once you&#8217;ve got an emergency fund, and the debt is paid off should be put towards vacations or other fun stuff.  The only point is you don&#8217;t go nuts on it, you plan for it and save for it and not go back into debt for it.  It sounds like you&#8217;re considering this a debt diet.  But no diet really works if you get to your goal weight, then stop exercising and start pigging out in celebration.  If you do it right, you can probably ease back on the intensity a bit and it should be easier to maintain your lifestyle while still meeting your goals.  Hopefully through the process you learned that you control what you choose to spend your money on, so lay out a plan forward to hopefully include some mind blowing trips and excursions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Nickle</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/02/29/review-debt-is-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-194901</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Nickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This year, I finally achieved saving 50% of my *pre-tax* income. It took years to get to this point, but I&#039;ll share how I did it.

I started with saving 10% of my gross pay from every paycheck (in a retirement plan) and putting another 10% (sometimes more) towards paying down debt (mortgage and some student loans - my car was already paid off 8 years ago).

Every year, as I got a raise, I applied the full amount of my raise to my savings. So every year, my savings rate went up at least 3%-5% (and one year as much as 10%). I applied the full amount of bonuses to paying down debt. 

By maintaining the same standard of living (and eating the impact of inflation, which I didn&#039;t really notice in most cases), after 8 years I have reached a savings rate of 50% (and I am now almost completely free of debt).
 
My 50% savings gets allocated as follows:
15% 401k (plus what my employer kicks in)
10% Index funds in my taxable account
10% Employee Stock Purchase Plan
 5% Roth IRA
 5% High-yield savings account
 5% Purchase of I-Bonds via Treasury Direct

All of this is done via direct deposit or other withholding, so I am never tempted to spend the money. 

I am 36 now and I expect to be able to retire with my current standard of living in 10-15 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This year, I finally achieved saving 50% of my *pre-tax* income. It took years to get to this point, but I&#8217;ll share how I did it.</p>
<p>I started with saving 10% of my gross pay from every paycheck (in a retirement plan) and putting another 10% (sometimes more) towards paying down debt (mortgage and some student loans &#8211; my car was already paid off 8 years ago).</p>
<p>Every year, as I got a raise, I applied the full amount of my raise to my savings. So every year, my savings rate went up at least 3%-5% (and one year as much as 10%). I applied the full amount of bonuses to paying down debt. </p>
<p>By maintaining the same standard of living (and eating the impact of inflation, which I didn&#8217;t really notice in most cases), after 8 years I have reached a savings rate of 50% (and I am now almost completely free of debt).</p>
<p>My 50% savings gets allocated as follows:<br />
15% 401k (plus what my employer kicks in)<br />
10% Index funds in my taxable account<br />
10% Employee Stock Purchase Plan<br />
 5% Roth IRA<br />
 5% High-yield savings account<br />
 5% Purchase of I-Bonds via Treasury Direct</p>
<p>All of this is done via direct deposit or other withholding, so I am never tempted to spend the money. </p>
<p>I am 36 now and I expect to be able to retire with my current standard of living in 10-15 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Montville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Montville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my question. Say, you&#039;re working hard to pay off all your debt, you&#039;re living frugally below your income to have more money, you only work the time you want to work at a job you love and then you have all this.....time.

Now, if I want to do something other than read, do crosswords or walk the dog, where to I get the money?  

Trent makes a good point about going to Disney World with his six year old vs the flat screen (although I bet a few hours with the six year old and a Wii and the flat screen might be fun) but that&#039;s about &lt;i&gt;priorities&lt;/i&gt; not about time.

Frugality is good, debt is bad (I&#039;m personally on the Dave Ramsey diet)but at what point do you say, &lt;i&gt;&quot;I wanna have some fun!&quot;&lt;/i&gt; and spend money to do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my question. Say, you&#8217;re working hard to pay off all your debt, you&#8217;re living frugally below your income to have more money, you only work the time you want to work at a job you love and then you have all this&#8230;..time.</p>
<p>Now, if I want to do something other than read, do crosswords or walk the dog, where to I get the money?  </p>
<p>Trent makes a good point about going to Disney World with his six year old vs the flat screen (although I bet a few hours with the six year old and a Wii and the flat screen might be fun) but that&#8217;s about <i>priorities</i> not about time.</p>
<p>Frugality is good, debt is bad (I&#8217;m personally on the Dave Ramsey diet)but at what point do you say, <i>&#8220;I wanna have some fun!&#8221;</i> and spend money to do it!</p>
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		<title>By: CreoleIvy08</title>
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		<dc:creator>CreoleIvy08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kari,

Now that&#039;s marketing at its finest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kari,</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s marketing at its finest!</p>
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