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	<title>Comments on: The Stock Market Is Way Down This Year&#8230; Here&#8217;s Another Way To Think About It</title>
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		<title>By: Daft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear (#27) I just wanted to thank you for that response.  It&#039;s nice to see someone else preaching the pragmatic reality.  

We are in spurious territory right now.  Think of how different 1900-2000 has been, compared with 1500-1900.  There is no reason - besides nostalgia - to believe that the reality of the next five, ten, twenty years will be based entirely upon our experiences over the last 100.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear (#27) I just wanted to thank you for that response.  It&#8217;s nice to see someone else preaching the pragmatic reality.  </p>
<p>We are in spurious territory right now.  Think of how different 1900-2000 has been, compared with 1500-1900.  There is no reason &#8211; besides nostalgia &#8211; to believe that the reality of the next five, ten, twenty years will be based entirely upon our experiences over the last 100.</p>
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		<title>By: wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no expert, but it would make more sense to buy when the market is improving rather than declining. You may miss gaining from the bottom, but you are avoiding having your money erased or waiting 30 years to recoup your losses. The economic problems with this country are serious. A terrorist attack (if we&#039;re lucky) or an invasion (if McCain is) and things could get bad. People who bought at the beginning of the Depression didn&#039;t do too well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert, but it would make more sense to buy when the market is improving rather than declining. You may miss gaining from the bottom, but you are avoiding having your money erased or waiting 30 years to recoup your losses. The economic problems with this country are serious. A terrorist attack (if we&#8217;re lucky) or an invasion (if McCain is) and things could get bad. People who bought at the beginning of the Depression didn&#8217;t do too well.</p>
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		<title>By: lorax</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@NED  Good advice, but that wasn&#039;t Bogle&#039;s point.  He said to move an EXTRA percentage of money into bonds (10% IIRC), for those tapping funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NED  Good advice, but that wasn&#8217;t Bogle&#8217;s point.  He said to move an EXTRA percentage of money into bonds (10% IIRC), for those tapping funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, there are a lot of negative comments here.  I would say this is good advice.  Remain diversified and ride it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, there are a lot of negative comments here.  I would say this is good advice.  Remain diversified and ride it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, your comparison is lacking when you compare it to a grocery store.  We don&#039;t buy investments (or at least we shouldn&#039;t) at the grocery store.  We buy things we &quot;need&quot;.  Thus getting a sale means a future expense will be lower (hopefully).  Getting a stock when it seems down may or may not be good, depending on its future direction.  The real question is what is the future direction of the market?  What impact will past FED bloating and the housing market implosion have?  That is the best question.

It looks to me like learning enough to buy single family rental homes (3 bedroom/2 bath) would be a whole lot better in the long run than jumping deeper into this market.  (One good location for less hype is http://www.johnschaub.com.)

The market doesn&#039;t look like a good place for the next few years, though I have no idea when the final results of all the FED printed money will ultimately hit.

Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, your comparison is lacking when you compare it to a grocery store.  We don&#8217;t buy investments (or at least we shouldn&#8217;t) at the grocery store.  We buy things we &#8220;need&#8221;.  Thus getting a sale means a future expense will be lower (hopefully).  Getting a stock when it seems down may or may not be good, depending on its future direction.  The real question is what is the future direction of the market?  What impact will past FED bloating and the housing market implosion have?  That is the best question.</p>
<p>It looks to me like learning enough to buy single family rental homes (3 bedroom/2 bath) would be a whole lot better in the long run than jumping deeper into this market.  (One good location for less hype is <a href="http://www.johnschaub.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnschaub.com</a>.)</p>
<p>The market doesn&#8217;t look like a good place for the next few years, though I have no idea when the final results of all the FED printed money will ultimately hit.</p>
<p>Brad</p>
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		<title>By: A Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question--
I have about $4000 in Vanguard&#039;s European Index fund  but I want greater diversification so I want to open a new account in Vanguard&#039;s Total International Stock Index (which is composed of Vanguard&#039;s European Index fund and some other funds). I need $3000 to open the new account so I was thinking of transferring that from the European Index fund, the price of which is down now and not likely to go up anytime soon. Would it be better to hold onto the European Index Fund or is it sound to get rid of most of it and open this new account? The price of the European Index is low but so it the price of the International Index.

Any comments welcome! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question&#8211;<br />
I have about $4000 in Vanguard&#8217;s European Index fund  but I want greater diversification so I want to open a new account in Vanguard&#8217;s Total International Stock Index (which is composed of Vanguard&#8217;s European Index fund and some other funds). I need $3000 to open the new account so I was thinking of transferring that from the European Index fund, the price of which is down now and not likely to go up anytime soon. Would it be better to hold onto the European Index Fund or is it sound to get rid of most of it and open this new account? The price of the European Index is low but so it the price of the International Index.</p>
<p>Any comments welcome! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: NED</title>
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		<dc:creator>NED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iorax (comment #35),

Typically, retirees should move more of their portfolio to risk-free investments as a rule of thumb. The reason can be summed up in 1 word: time.

Retirees are living the last years of their life, so any potential risk of loss should be reduced because they simply cannot recover the amount lost. To put it crudely, they are going to die in the &quot;sooner-than-average&quot; future, so they should be taking steps to make sure that what they have saved up should be distributed evenly over the years, not lost in playing with electronic numbers on a lightboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iorax (comment #35),</p>
<p>Typically, retirees should move more of their portfolio to risk-free investments as a rule of thumb. The reason can be summed up in 1 word: time.</p>
<p>Retirees are living the last years of their life, so any potential risk of loss should be reduced because they simply cannot recover the amount lost. To put it crudely, they are going to die in the &#8220;sooner-than-average&#8221; future, so they should be taking steps to make sure that what they have saved up should be distributed evenly over the years, not lost in playing with electronic numbers on a lightboard.</p>
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		<title>By: NED</title>
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		<dc:creator>NED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent,

Much as I agree with the &quot;buy when it&#039;s low&quot; axiom, I would like to caution against buying too much in this period. I think doing an indepth analysis of markets is a case of TMI (too much info), but the short story is that markets are taking a beating and will probably get more depressed before the expected upturn occurs. 

Translation: Prices are expected to drop further, but stocks and shares you own should increase in value before the year is out. Don&#039;t sell what you own, buy stuff that you think are a bargain and always, always, always know what you are getting yourself into before throwing your hard-earned money away. Warren Buffett analyzes each purchase before he makes it, you should too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent,</p>
<p>Much as I agree with the &#8220;buy when it&#8217;s low&#8221; axiom, I would like to caution against buying too much in this period. I think doing an indepth analysis of markets is a case of TMI (too much info), but the short story is that markets are taking a beating and will probably get more depressed before the expected upturn occurs. </p>
<p>Translation: Prices are expected to drop further, but stocks and shares you own should increase in value before the year is out. Don&#8217;t sell what you own, buy stuff that you think are a bargain and always, always, always know what you are getting yourself into before throwing your hard-earned money away. Warren Buffett analyzes each purchase before he makes it, you should too.</p>
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		<title>By: lorax</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I can predict the future, but it wasn&#039;t all that surprising that stocks went down.  Everyone from John Bogle to Robert Shiller thought that the market was somewhat overvalued, the question was how long it would be before it sunk.  

Bogle (founder of Vanguard) actually went so far as to say that retirees should move a portion of their money into risk-free bonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I can predict the future, but it wasn&#8217;t all that surprising that stocks went down.  Everyone from John Bogle to Robert Shiller thought that the market was somewhat overvalued, the question was how long it would be before it sunk.  </p>
<p>Bogle (founder of Vanguard) actually went so far as to say that retirees should move a portion of their money into risk-free bonds.</p>
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		<title>By: rstlne</title>
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		<dc:creator>rstlne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael That&#039;s why I specified to buy &quot;something else&quot;, i.e. not identical to what you&#039;re selling. The wash sale rule only applies if you sell and then buy back the same stock. In the case of ETFs, even two similar-sounding ETFs could have stock components that are different enough to not fall under the wash sale rule, so you might be able to capture the capital loss by selling one and buying the other. Check under the hood before doing so.

Alternatively, if you really do wish to get back into the same stock, you could also wait 31 days before buying it back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael That&#8217;s why I specified to buy &#8220;something else&#8221;, i.e. not identical to what you&#8217;re selling. The wash sale rule only applies if you sell and then buy back the same stock. In the case of ETFs, even two similar-sounding ETFs could have stock components that are different enough to not fall under the wash sale rule, so you might be able to capture the capital loss by selling one and buying the other. Check under the hood before doing so.</p>
<p>Alternatively, if you really do wish to get back into the same stock, you could also wait 31 days before buying it back.</p>
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		<title>By: WeSeed Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>WeSeed Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole point of his post is to let people see that they shouldn&#039;t overreact to this dip, they should just stick to whatever strategy they had going in the first place. As for buying more than normal to buy &quot;on sale,&quot; that&#039;s up to you. Just don&#039;t sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole point of his post is to let people see that they shouldn&#8217;t overreact to this dip, they should just stick to whatever strategy they had going in the first place. As for buying more than normal to buy &#8220;on sale,&#8221; that&#8217;s up to you. Just don&#8217;t sell.</p>
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		<title>By: GBlogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>GBlogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear makes a good point that double-digit returns are not likely going forward -- but I think it&#039;s over-reading Buffett&#039;s letter not to buy index funds or not to be in the market (though I&#039;m not sure both are meant by the comment). And even taking the gloomier &quot;bearish&quot; outlook, I bet there are lots of readers of this blog who ARE thirty plus years away from retirement...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear makes a good point that double-digit returns are not likely going forward &#8212; but I think it&#8217;s over-reading Buffett&#8217;s letter not to buy index funds or not to be in the market (though I&#8217;m not sure both are meant by the comment). And even taking the gloomier &#8220;bearish&#8221; outlook, I bet there are lots of readers of this blog who ARE thirty plus years away from retirement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
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		<description>Susannah: It sounds like we agree, then, but that we read different things into Trent&#039;s post.  To me, it seemed to be implying either that you should spontaneously change your plan in response to market swings, or that holding back money so that you can try to time the market should be part of your plan to begin with.  And I don&#039;t think either of those approaches is wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susannah: It sounds like we agree, then, but that we read different things into Trent&#8217;s post.  To me, it seemed to be implying either that you should spontaneously change your plan in response to market swings, or that holding back money so that you can try to time the market should be part of your plan to begin with.  And I don&#8217;t think either of those approaches is wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Susannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Johanna--it all depends.  You mentioned you were younger so I assumed a fairly aggressive stock portfolio.  But I had no intention of guessing your actual stock/bond ratio, recent losses, or allocation.  I was using nice round numbers because I had no real info on your individual situation.

You wanted to know where people get money to buy in down markets, and that is essentially the answer.  They rebalance.  Doesn&#039;t mean you can or should or ought to--you said yourself that you have a plan and you&#039;re dollar-cost averaging.  If you remain essentially balanced in your asset allocation, it&#039;s a mistake to change it in response to market conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Johanna&#8211;it all depends.  You mentioned you were younger so I assumed a fairly aggressive stock portfolio.  But I had no intention of guessing your actual stock/bond ratio, recent losses, or allocation.  I was using nice round numbers because I had no real info on your individual situation.</p>
<p>You wanted to know where people get money to buy in down markets, and that is essentially the answer.  They rebalance.  Doesn&#8217;t mean you can or should or ought to&#8211;you said yourself that you have a plan and you&#8217;re dollar-cost averaging.  If you remain essentially balanced in your asset allocation, it&#8217;s a mistake to change it in response to market conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: partgypsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>partgypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am no stock expert, but of course been dutifully been putting my 10% (plus 5% matching) in my 401.  It&#039;s a lifetime fund which has a pretty good exposure to Intl funds (20%?).  Here&#039;s my view.  I don&#039;t like what greed and our fiscal policies have done to the stock market, but at the same time I can&#039;t afford to stay out of the market if I ever want to retire.  Warren Buffet&#039;s predictions of 5% are if people are rational investors, which they are not.  My view is the market will be depressed for next 2-3 years due to subprime mess, but there are far too many people with lots of money who want to make more money for the stock market to not be a player.  After 2 or 3 years there will be some wild rides but I believe over time it still will beat bonds and money markets.  
In 20 years, once we do hit shortages, and are dealing with consequences from global warming, etc the bottom will fall out, and that&#039;s when you do like Martha Stewart and retire to your nice self sufficient farm you built with your millions (Only half-kidding).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am no stock expert, but of course been dutifully been putting my 10% (plus 5% matching) in my 401.  It&#8217;s a lifetime fund which has a pretty good exposure to Intl funds (20%?).  Here&#8217;s my view.  I don&#8217;t like what greed and our fiscal policies have done to the stock market, but at the same time I can&#8217;t afford to stay out of the market if I ever want to retire.  Warren Buffet&#8217;s predictions of 5% are if people are rational investors, which they are not.  My view is the market will be depressed for next 2-3 years due to subprime mess, but there are far too many people with lots of money who want to make more money for the stock market to not be a player.  After 2 or 3 years there will be some wild rides but I believe over time it still will beat bonds and money markets.<br />
In 20 years, once we do hit shortages, and are dealing with consequences from global warming, etc the bottom will fall out, and that&#8217;s when you do like Martha Stewart and retire to your nice self sufficient farm you built with your millions (Only half-kidding).</p>
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		<title>By: luvleftovers</title>
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		<dc:creator>luvleftovers</dc:creator>
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		<description>I figure the only way I&#039;d really lose (my 401K) is if I SELL now.  I&#039;m slowing edging my contributions up once a month. I&#039;m waiting for a few funds to drop further and then I&#039;ll increase my contributions to scoop &#039;em up.  I know in 10 years I&#039;ll be happy that I did.  My biggest concern is figuring out when they are near bottom enough to start scooping.  I guess I just watch to see when they appear to be leveling.  

Let&#039;s face it folks, real estate bounces back, even if it takes a while.  Fortunately, I still have about 20 years to wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figure the only way I&#8217;d really lose (my 401K) is if I SELL now.  I&#8217;m slowing edging my contributions up once a month. I&#8217;m waiting for a few funds to drop further and then I&#8217;ll increase my contributions to scoop &#8216;em up.  I know in 10 years I&#8217;ll be happy that I did.  My biggest concern is figuring out when they are near bottom enough to start scooping.  I guess I just watch to see when they appear to be leveling.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it folks, real estate bounces back, even if it takes a while.  Fortunately, I still have about 20 years to wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It always makes me a little sad when great personal finance sites like this one give investing advice. It&#039;s just so often wrong. The era of buy and hold is coming to an end. Do you really think we are going to see exponential growth forever? Do you really think we are going to average 5.3% growth for the next hundred years, like we did from 1900-2000?

Not even Warren Buffett thinks so, nowadays. He pointed out in his last meeting with shareholders that if we grew at that rate the Dow would be somewhere around 2 million. By investing in an index fund, that is what you are betting on.

The fact is, the tremendous growth we have experienced over the last 30 years was built on the back of cheap credit, cheap energy (oil and coal), and cheap overseas labor. All of those things are coming to a halt.

We are standing on the brink of change, and what we are seeing now with the markets tanking is just the tip of the iceberg. I sure wish you could point out some of those &quot;doom and gloom&quot; stories in the media, because all I see are people towing the party line: &quot;Buy while it&#039;s cheap!&quot;

Here&#039;s a hint: things are going to get worse.

Subprime resets are set to peak in July 08, so 6 months after that we may see a peak in foreclosures. All option ARM resets peak in 2011, so MAYBE housing prices will the hit bottom then. For the first time in the history of the US, banks have gone into the red on reserves, and are being forced to borrow money from the FED and overseas at loan shark rates in order to stay solvent. The dollar is tanking and the FED just keeps slashing rates to keep the ship floating.

So, you go on and buy your index funds with your hold and pray mentality. If you think it&#039;s a sure thing, just remember if you invested in 1929, it took until 1954 to earn your money back (not counting inflation). I hope you don&#039;t plan on retiring anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always makes me a little sad when great personal finance sites like this one give investing advice. It&#8217;s just so often wrong. The era of buy and hold is coming to an end. Do you really think we are going to see exponential growth forever? Do you really think we are going to average 5.3% growth for the next hundred years, like we did from 1900-2000?</p>
<p>Not even Warren Buffett thinks so, nowadays. He pointed out in his last meeting with shareholders that if we grew at that rate the Dow would be somewhere around 2 million. By investing in an index fund, that is what you are betting on.</p>
<p>The fact is, the tremendous growth we have experienced over the last 30 years was built on the back of cheap credit, cheap energy (oil and coal), and cheap overseas labor. All of those things are coming to a halt.</p>
<p>We are standing on the brink of change, and what we are seeing now with the markets tanking is just the tip of the iceberg. I sure wish you could point out some of those &#8220;doom and gloom&#8221; stories in the media, because all I see are people towing the party line: &#8220;Buy while it&#8217;s cheap!&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a hint: things are going to get worse.</p>
<p>Subprime resets are set to peak in July 08, so 6 months after that we may see a peak in foreclosures. All option ARM resets peak in 2011, so MAYBE housing prices will the hit bottom then. For the first time in the history of the US, banks have gone into the red on reserves, and are being forced to borrow money from the FED and overseas at loan shark rates in order to stay solvent. The dollar is tanking and the FED just keeps slashing rates to keep the ship floating.</p>
<p>So, you go on and buy your index funds with your hold and pray mentality. If you think it&#8217;s a sure thing, just remember if you invested in 1929, it took until 1954 to earn your money back (not counting inflation). I hope you don&#8217;t plan on retiring anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s kind of annoying. back in october my stocks were up and i was ready to sell to move the money into savings to buy a house this year. of course i wanted to wait a few days and it just went downhill. I hit break even a few times since but i always decide to wait one more day and that next day is always a huge drop so i wait longer. Oh well, I&#039;ll find the right time to sell, luckily house prices aren&#039;t going up at the moment so in some ways i&#039;m breaking even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s kind of annoying. back in october my stocks were up and i was ready to sell to move the money into savings to buy a house this year. of course i wanted to wait a few days and it just went downhill. I hit break even a few times since but i always decide to wait one more day and that next day is always a huge drop so i wait longer. Oh well, I&#8217;ll find the right time to sell, luckily house prices aren&#8217;t going up at the moment so in some ways i&#8217;m breaking even.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree almost entirely, there are clearly some areas of the market that are way overheated such as energy and commodities and some are way undervalued such as Financials.

So to make a blanket statement to &quot;just keep&quot; buying is a little bit deceiving and incorrect.

You should be BUYING things that are on discount and SELLING things that are peaking.

To use the grocery store example, you stock up on items that are CHEAP and skip the things that are expensive.

Buying into an index fund is simply going to the grocery store and buying one of everything because everything averages out:  low items average out with high items.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree almost entirely, there are clearly some areas of the market that are way overheated such as energy and commodities and some are way undervalued such as Financials.</p>
<p>So to make a blanket statement to &#8220;just keep&#8221; buying is a little bit deceiving and incorrect.</p>
<p>You should be BUYING things that are on discount and SELLING things that are peaking.</p>
<p>To use the grocery store example, you stock up on items that are CHEAP and skip the things that are expensive.</p>
<p>Buying into an index fund is simply going to the grocery store and buying one of everything because everything averages out:  low items average out with high items.</p>
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		<title>By: 7million7years</title>
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		<dc:creator>7million7years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard (nay, impossible) to pick the bottom of the market.

Trent is right: when stuff is on sale you buy.

You have choices, too: you can buy stocks, real-estate, money - they are all cheap right now.

In all cases, if you have a 20 - 30 year outlook, history virtually guarantees you a great outcome ... it&#039;s up to you to decide if this is the right market to take the same chance with (only) a 5 - 10 year outlook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard (nay, impossible) to pick the bottom of the market.</p>
<p>Trent is right: when stuff is on sale you buy.</p>
<p>You have choices, too: you can buy stocks, real-estate, money &#8211; they are all cheap right now.</p>
<p>In all cases, if you have a 20 &#8211; 30 year outlook, history virtually guarantees you a great outcome &#8230; it&#8217;s up to you to decide if this is the right market to take the same chance with (only) a 5 &#8211; 10 year outlook.</p>
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