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	<title>Comments on: Reader Mailbag #6</title>
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	<description>Simple, applicable personal finance advice for the modern world</description>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-243668</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the mailbags, Trent! And I have a question for you:
I worked for a restaurant long enough to be fully vested in my stock options. When I quit, I filled out the paperwork and thought I would receive a check that I could invest. Instead, I received a stock certificate. Today, it&#039;s worth about $1000. But restaurants are a pretty volatile business and I don&#039;t want to keep the stock.
I don&#039;t have an interest in trading individual stocks - but I have no idea how to convert this into money (I&#039;d like to use it as part of the basis for investing in an index fund). I&#039;ve tried to read up on this, but I don&#039;t really understand what I&#039;m reading. Can you offer any advice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the mailbags, Trent! And I have a question for you:<br />
I worked for a restaurant long enough to be fully vested in my stock options. When I quit, I filled out the paperwork and thought I would receive a check that I could invest. Instead, I received a stock certificate. Today, it&#8217;s worth about $1000. But restaurants are a pretty volatile business and I don&#8217;t want to keep the stock.<br />
I don&#8217;t have an interest in trading individual stocks &#8211; but I have no idea how to convert this into money (I&#8217;d like to use it as part of the basis for investing in an index fund). I&#8217;ve tried to read up on this, but I don&#8217;t really understand what I&#8217;m reading. Can you offer any advice?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-242276</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For instance, no one criticizes the Chinese policy of having only one child per couple. &quot;
Lola @ 3:11 pm April 14th, 2008 (comment #73)

Actually you are wrong.  I know plenty of people that criticize the Chinese policy you are speaking of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For instance, no one criticizes the Chinese policy of having only one child per couple. &#8221;<br />
Lola @ 3:11 pm April 14th, 2008 (comment #73)</p>
<p>Actually you are wrong.  I know plenty of people that criticize the Chinese policy you are speaking of.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-242153</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what you are really saying is - “women, do not continue to COMMUNICATE in YOUR way, but adopt to THE MEN’s way, OUR way.”

No, you get educated and learn about how women communicate.
I highly believe it is unfair.&quot;

If you&#039;re in a relationship, you should make a concerted effort to communicate with your partner in a way he or she understands.  If you&#039;re not willing to do that - if you&#039;re requiring your partner to have to do research to communicate with you - you don&#039;t respect your partner much at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what you are really saying is &#8211; “women, do not continue to COMMUNICATE in YOUR way, but adopt to THE MEN’s way, OUR way.”</p>
<p>No, you get educated and learn about how women communicate.<br />
I highly believe it is unfair.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in a relationship, you should make a concerted effort to communicate with your partner in a way he or she understands.  If you&#8217;re not willing to do that &#8211; if you&#8217;re requiring your partner to have to do research to communicate with you &#8211; you don&#8217;t respect your partner much at all.</p>
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		<title>By: ontguy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-241904</link>
		<dc:creator>ontguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stock picking strategies, what are your thoughts on the dog of dows strategy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stock picking strategies, what are your thoughts on the dog of dows strategy?</p>
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		<title>By: May</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-241841</link>
		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say,

&quot;Gals, you should not drop hints but be direct with your guy&quot;

what you are really saying is - &quot;women, do not continue to COMMUNICATE in YOUR way, but adopt to THE MEN&#039;s way, OUR way.&quot; 

No, you get educated and learn about how women communicate.
I highly believe it is unfair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say,</p>
<p>&#8220;Gals, you should not drop hints but be direct with your guy&#8221;</p>
<p>what you are really saying is &#8211; &#8220;women, do not continue to COMMUNICATE in YOUR way, but adopt to THE MEN&#8217;s way, OUR way.&#8221; </p>
<p>No, you get educated and learn about how women communicate.<br />
I highly believe it is unfair.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-241664</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it might seem like a &quot;game,&quot; Michael, you might as well play it. Not too many people are bright enough, motivated enough or have enough initiative to look beyond the usual &quot;rules&quot; of a credit score and see the very loan-worthy you. 

Perhaps more pressingly, if you don&#039;t have a credit card, and you need to rent a car in an emergency, you are out of luck unless you can pay for the car in cash. If you need to fly to the bedside of an ill or dying parent or family member on short notice, it is way too late to apply for that credit card. 

If you are afraid that you will go on a charging spree, put the card in a glass of water in the freezer. Somehow, I don&#039;t think that will be an issue with you, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it might seem like a &#8220;game,&#8221; Michael, you might as well play it. Not too many people are bright enough, motivated enough or have enough initiative to look beyond the usual &#8220;rules&#8221; of a credit score and see the very loan-worthy you. </p>
<p>Perhaps more pressingly, if you don&#8217;t have a credit card, and you need to rent a car in an emergency, you are out of luck unless you can pay for the car in cash. If you need to fly to the bedside of an ill or dying parent or family member on short notice, it is way too late to apply for that credit card. </p>
<p>If you are afraid that you will go on a charging spree, put the card in a glass of water in the freezer. Somehow, I don&#8217;t think that will be an issue with you, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Juniper Wands</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Juniper Wands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think are the 10 best reasons to leave a job you like/love but there is something/someone about it that is stealing your joy?  Are there definite signs that &quot;enough is enough&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think are the 10 best reasons to leave a job you like/love but there is something/someone about it that is stealing your joy?  Are there definite signs that &#8220;enough is enough&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: gr8whyte</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-241435</link>
		<dc:creator>gr8whyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ gpglinka (comment #83) : It&#039;s good and potentially bad. Good because you&#039;re a better credit risk and bad because it can turn into a deeper financial hole if things should go wrong. My card issuer did the same thing to me several times and the limit&#039;s insane now. IMO, all credit card issuers should be required by law to offer consumers the choice of either a higher limit or lower interest rate when their credit rating improves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ gpglinka (comment #83) : It&#8217;s good and potentially bad. Good because you&#8217;re a better credit risk and bad because it can turn into a deeper financial hole if things should go wrong. My card issuer did the same thing to me several times and the limit&#8217;s insane now. IMO, all credit card issuers should be required by law to offer consumers the choice of either a higher limit or lower interest rate when their credit rating improves.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-241095</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pawel Mrozik

As a supplement to writing every day, another good way to improve your writing is to read more.  The more written language you are exposed to, the more you get a feel for what “good” writing is and how it is constructed.  Find authors with writing styles you really enjoy and immerse yourself.  You will be amazed at how much this will help you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pawel Mrozik</p>
<p>As a supplement to writing every day, another good way to improve your writing is to read more.  The more written language you are exposed to, the more you get a feel for what “good” writing is and how it is constructed.  Find authors with writing styles you really enjoy and immerse yourself.  You will be amazed at how much this will help you.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-240967</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in my early 50&#039;s.   We will be inheriting around 60,000.00.  What would you recommend for doing with the money to help it grow?  Are there any money markets or mutual funds out there that earn you good money anymore?

            Thanks, Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in my early 50&#8217;s.   We will be inheriting around 60,000.00.  What would you recommend for doing with the money to help it grow?  Are there any money markets or mutual funds out there that earn you good money anymore?</p>
<p>            Thanks, Julie</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tracy

I also went to a private school. I had the opportunity too because my father taught there.  I do think that Mary was giving out plenty of stereotypes about public schools.  There are two sides to the coin and everyone will have different experiences regardless of which school they went too.  
I don&#039;t have much experience with the rules of public school, however all private schools in my area had swift and harsh punishments for breaking the rules. There were no three strikes, it was usually one for major offenses (drugs, alcohol, sexual contact).  Each student actually had to sign a contract each year stating they would abide by the rules for the entire school year both at school and in their personal lives.  I think that this was a great deterrent against making poor decisions as a teenager. I do know that we had very few of the problems that other schools in our area had. I&#039;m not speaking out against public schools, just offering my experiences of attending a private school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tracy</p>
<p>I also went to a private school. I had the opportunity too because my father taught there.  I do think that Mary was giving out plenty of stereotypes about public schools.  There are two sides to the coin and everyone will have different experiences regardless of which school they went too.<br />
I don&#8217;t have much experience with the rules of public school, however all private schools in my area had swift and harsh punishments for breaking the rules. There were no three strikes, it was usually one for major offenses (drugs, alcohol, sexual contact).  Each student actually had to sign a contract each year stating they would abide by the rules for the entire school year both at school and in their personal lives.  I think that this was a great deterrent against making poor decisions as a teenager. I do know that we had very few of the problems that other schools in our area had. I&#8217;m not speaking out against public schools, just offering my experiences of attending a private school.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Tracy. From my HS experience, the private school kids were actually the ones with the start up capitol to supply drugs to the kids at the public schools. They were also the ones who had cars and could get abortions (based on anecdotal evidence) before anyone outside of their circle knew they were preggers. The kids at my 98% Hispanic catholic school were the ones who went through with their pregnancies based on religious principles. From my view, those young (public school) mothers are the ones who took the moral high ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Tracy. From my HS experience, the private school kids were actually the ones with the start up capitol to supply drugs to the kids at the public schools. They were also the ones who had cars and could get abortions (based on anecdotal evidence) before anyone outside of their circle knew they were preggers. The kids at my 98% Hispanic catholic school were the ones who went through with their pregnancies based on religious principles. From my view, those young (public school) mothers are the ones who took the moral high ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-240927</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mary - I was a happy public schooler, and I think I got a great education - I certainly wasn&#039;t surrounded by pregnant girls giving birth wielding knives. You speak of unfair stereotypes, but I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s exactly what you&#039;re doing just in the opposite direction.

I&#039;m also willing to bet money that those private school kids are still thinking about sex. They aren&#039;t magically shielded from being teenagers by the tuition fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mary &#8211; I was a happy public schooler, and I think I got a great education &#8211; I certainly wasn&#8217;t surrounded by pregnant girls giving birth wielding knives. You speak of unfair stereotypes, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s exactly what you&#8217;re doing just in the opposite direction.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also willing to bet money that those private school kids are still thinking about sex. They aren&#8217;t magically shielded from being teenagers by the tuition fee.</p>
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		<title>By: clevelis</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-240912</link>
		<dc:creator>clevelis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the debate idea for marital disagreements.  I&#039;ll have save that one for future times.  A while back, I heard a speaker give a few more tips: hold hands while discussing the issue, and my personal favorite, argue in the nude.  

And about the relationships thing, when the woman is DONE and the guy is trying to hang on.  I so wish more men got this point that a women&#039;s reproduction time is limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the debate idea for marital disagreements.  I&#8217;ll have save that one for future times.  A while back, I heard a speaker give a few more tips: hold hands while discussing the issue, and my personal favorite, argue in the nude.  </p>
<p>And about the relationships thing, when the woman is DONE and the guy is trying to hang on.  I so wish more men got this point that a women&#8217;s reproduction time is limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to comment on the public/private school issue. The idea that there is little diversity or that only rich kids attend private school is totally wrong. I have had my fair share of private school and I can attest to the fact that there are parents who are not wealthy who struggle to give their kids good, quality education. There certainly are a lot of kids who were born with a silver spoon or whatever but this is the general sterioypical idea that people have when they don&#039;t really understand the realm of something. From my experience and the experience of others, there are less issues to deal with. Less bullying (although not obsolete). Less danger: While public schools were erecting metal detectors, mandating clear back packs, guns/knives of plenty...). Almost non-existent drug problems. Children were not thinking about sex and while my pub-school friends either got pregnant/had kids while attending grade/highschool, it was unheard of in the schools I attended and our sister schools. All these issues were pretty much nonexistent. I wouldn&#039;t scoff at private school until you&#039;ve actually been introduced to the experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to comment on the public/private school issue. The idea that there is little diversity or that only rich kids attend private school is totally wrong. I have had my fair share of private school and I can attest to the fact that there are parents who are not wealthy who struggle to give their kids good, quality education. There certainly are a lot of kids who were born with a silver spoon or whatever but this is the general sterioypical idea that people have when they don&#8217;t really understand the realm of something. From my experience and the experience of others, there are less issues to deal with. Less bullying (although not obsolete). Less danger: While public schools were erecting metal detectors, mandating clear back packs, guns/knives of plenty&#8230;). Almost non-existent drug problems. Children were not thinking about sex and while my pub-school friends either got pregnant/had kids while attending grade/highschool, it was unheard of in the schools I attended and our sister schools. All these issues were pretty much nonexistent. I wouldn&#8217;t scoff at private school until you&#8217;ve actually been introduced to the experience.</p>
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		<title>By: gpglinka</title>
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		<dc:creator>gpglinka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My credit card (Citi) keeps raising my credit limit without my requesting it. I have called before and told them not to at that time. Is it a good thing for my limit to go up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My credit card (Citi) keeps raising my credit limit without my requesting it. I have called before and told them not to at that time. Is it a good thing for my limit to go up?</p>
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		<title>By: LisaC</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/14/reader-mailbag-6/comment-page-2/#comment-240379</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, you wrote:
&quot;Children are beautiful. They’re not locked into seeing the world as adults do. Most of the perspectives that adults have are the results of many, many years of reinforcement, both good and bad. Children don’t have that - they think differently about everything and they make you think differently about everything, too.&quot;
Trent, I agree.  I have worked with children since I was a child (about 12), and love working with them more than working with adults!
  I have my own(now grown)children, along with students, former foster children, and a grandchild.  These children are definitely the best part of my life.  Each child is different, and brings something into my life that the others did not. I learn more from them than from any other experience. It is hard to explain to someone who is not a parent.  
I am amazed at how strongly opinionated strangers are about being parents to many children.  When I had foster children, and we went out in public, people were rude to me.  I was young looking and had five, including my own.  Its too bad that what brings us happiness and what could be bringing wonderful people who contribute to society into the world, is judged so harshly.  
The world needs more fathers like you who take joy in your children. I smiled at your answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, you wrote:<br />
&#8220;Children are beautiful. They’re not locked into seeing the world as adults do. Most of the perspectives that adults have are the results of many, many years of reinforcement, both good and bad. Children don’t have that &#8211; they think differently about everything and they make you think differently about everything, too.&#8221;<br />
Trent, I agree.  I have worked with children since I was a child (about 12), and love working with them more than working with adults!<br />
  I have my own(now grown)children, along with students, former foster children, and a grandchild.  These children are definitely the best part of my life.  Each child is different, and brings something into my life that the others did not. I learn more from them than from any other experience. It is hard to explain to someone who is not a parent.<br />
I am amazed at how strongly opinionated strangers are about being parents to many children.  When I had foster children, and we went out in public, people were rude to me.  I was young looking and had five, including my own.  Its too bad that what brings us happiness and what could be bringing wonderful people who contribute to society into the world, is judged so harshly.<br />
The world needs more fathers like you who take joy in your children. I smiled at your answer.</p>
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		<title>By: JLiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent - Here&#039;s a question for your mailbag.  I can&#039;t figure out the best approach to paying down consumer debt versus funding a retirement account.

I&#039;m 35 and my husband is a few years younger.  We have a mountain of credit card debt ($35k @ 7.75-10%), student loans ($100k @ 4.25-5% fixed). I have about $60k in a retirement plan at work (I am contributing up to the match, which is a whopping $40 a month from my employer); my husband has no retirement plan at the moment.

Thanks to the advice on your wonderful blog and others, we&#039;ve managed to create a snowball of about $300/mo. above our minimum payments on our credit cards.  Our projections are that we will pay off our cc debt in 2011, all else being equal.  I will be pushing 40 (*gasp*) at that time.  If we take the snowball that exists when the last card is paid off and put it toward our student loans, I&#039;ll be something like 45 at that point when those are gone.

My husband and I have agreed that getting out of debt is our number one priority.  But now that we&#039;ve done the math on paying it off and we&#039;re looking at such a long time line, and given the discussions here and elsewhere about the value of time when it comes to compounding interest, I&#039;m wondering if we wouldn&#039;t be better off putting the snowball into 401ks and/or opening up Roths, and just paying the minimums on the cards (and freezing the payments at those amounts).  Waiting until we&#039;re nearly 40 (at the earliest) to start saving for retirement in earnest seems like a squandering of valuable time that we just can&#039;t get back.  The answer seems trickier to me than a simple comparison of interest earned on an increasing balance in a retirement account vs. interest accruing on a declining balance on the cards, because there&#039;s the element of time thrown in. 

So here&#039;s my question: is it ALWAYS the best idea to pay down consumer debt at the expense of funding a retirement account?  What good does it do to free up a couple hundred dollars a month (or even $1000 a month) if you have nothing in the bank for a retirement that&#039;s 15-25 years away and you&#039;ve lost a lot of the opportunity to take advantage of that compounding interest?

Thank you so much for opening the floor to our questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent &#8211; Here&#8217;s a question for your mailbag.  I can&#8217;t figure out the best approach to paying down consumer debt versus funding a retirement account.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 35 and my husband is a few years younger.  We have a mountain of credit card debt ($35k @ 7.75-10%), student loans ($100k @ 4.25-5% fixed). I have about $60k in a retirement plan at work (I am contributing up to the match, which is a whopping $40 a month from my employer); my husband has no retirement plan at the moment.</p>
<p>Thanks to the advice on your wonderful blog and others, we&#8217;ve managed to create a snowball of about $300/mo. above our minimum payments on our credit cards.  Our projections are that we will pay off our cc debt in 2011, all else being equal.  I will be pushing 40 (*gasp*) at that time.  If we take the snowball that exists when the last card is paid off and put it toward our student loans, I&#8217;ll be something like 45 at that point when those are gone.</p>
<p>My husband and I have agreed that getting out of debt is our number one priority.  But now that we&#8217;ve done the math on paying it off and we&#8217;re looking at such a long time line, and given the discussions here and elsewhere about the value of time when it comes to compounding interest, I&#8217;m wondering if we wouldn&#8217;t be better off putting the snowball into 401ks and/or opening up Roths, and just paying the minimums on the cards (and freezing the payments at those amounts).  Waiting until we&#8217;re nearly 40 (at the earliest) to start saving for retirement in earnest seems like a squandering of valuable time that we just can&#8217;t get back.  The answer seems trickier to me than a simple comparison of interest earned on an increasing balance in a retirement account vs. interest accruing on a declining balance on the cards, because there&#8217;s the element of time thrown in. </p>
<p>So here&#8217;s my question: is it ALWAYS the best idea to pay down consumer debt at the expense of funding a retirement account?  What good does it do to free up a couple hundred dollars a month (or even $1000 a month) if you have nothing in the bank for a retirement that&#8217;s 15-25 years away and you&#8217;ve lost a lot of the opportunity to take advantage of that compounding interest?</p>
<p>Thank you so much for opening the floor to our questions!</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The default strategy for any loan is always to pay off as much as you can as fast as you can (unless the interest rate is absurdly low, say, below 3%).&quot;

This advice is good, but leaves out a few important points. First, unless the money goes in a tax-advantaged retirement account, investment income is *always* taxed, while student loan interest is not always deductible. If you have a high income and put the money in a high-yield savings account while paying the minimums on your student loan, you&#039;re hit with a double-whammy: your student loan interest is not deductible (because you make too much), but the interest on your savings account is taxed at a higher marginal rate.

As an example, if your savings account has a 4% APR (pretty good these days) and your marginal tax rate is 28%, your effective after-tax savings rate is only 2.88%. You&#039;d be better off paying the 3% student loan.

IMO, you&#039;d also be better off for cash flow reasons. The fewer debts you have, the more able you are to quit that high-paying, soul-sucking job and follow your calling. :)  Other people will disagree and say liquidity is more important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The default strategy for any loan is always to pay off as much as you can as fast as you can (unless the interest rate is absurdly low, say, below 3%).&#8221;</p>
<p>This advice is good, but leaves out a few important points. First, unless the money goes in a tax-advantaged retirement account, investment income is *always* taxed, while student loan interest is not always deductible. If you have a high income and put the money in a high-yield savings account while paying the minimums on your student loan, you&#8217;re hit with a double-whammy: your student loan interest is not deductible (because you make too much), but the interest on your savings account is taxed at a higher marginal rate.</p>
<p>As an example, if your savings account has a 4% APR (pretty good these days) and your marginal tax rate is 28%, your effective after-tax savings rate is only 2.88%. You&#8217;d be better off paying the 3% student loan.</p>
<p>IMO, you&#8217;d also be better off for cash flow reasons. The fewer debts you have, the more able you are to quit that high-paying, soul-sucking job and follow your calling. :)  Other people will disagree and say liquidity is more important.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@L:

Thanks for the reassurance in regards to trying to stay away from credit.  The idea of taking out a loan, only to pay it back over time, as others have suggested, seems like I am playing a game that, frankly, I don&#039;t really want to play.  If I was going to do that, why not take out an unsecured loan, and immediately pay that back the next day, repeat a few times, raising my credit score each time?  It doesn&#039;t make sense to me why thats a good idea.  I just think too many people that make money from lending have told people for too long to build up their credit score just so they can borrow money.

I have paid my rent, utilities, etc. early or on time each month, never missing a payment.  I realize that this is good but I don&#039;t understand how it helps my credit score.  From what I understand, your credit score is only made up of a composition of debt (how long you have used debt, what type of debt, amount of debt you have, and how well you pay it back).  Granted, you can ding your credit score if you miss a payment that you have committed to, but if your score is only built up by taking out debt, how can anything else affect your score?  If I have never borrowed any money, how can I even have a credit score, let alone a good/bad one?  I&#039;ve tried pulling my credit report, and it basically says that it doesn&#039;t have enough data to accurately judge my credit score.

Finally, I figure that if I am able to have a 30% down payment, with good income and good payment history on utilities and no debt, most lenders would be crazy not to lend me money for a house.  That may just be someone looking into the thought process of lending, as opposed to accepting that a FICO score needs to be high because people tell me so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@L:</p>
<p>Thanks for the reassurance in regards to trying to stay away from credit.  The idea of taking out a loan, only to pay it back over time, as others have suggested, seems like I am playing a game that, frankly, I don&#8217;t really want to play.  If I was going to do that, why not take out an unsecured loan, and immediately pay that back the next day, repeat a few times, raising my credit score each time?  It doesn&#8217;t make sense to me why thats a good idea.  I just think too many people that make money from lending have told people for too long to build up their credit score just so they can borrow money.</p>
<p>I have paid my rent, utilities, etc. early or on time each month, never missing a payment.  I realize that this is good but I don&#8217;t understand how it helps my credit score.  From what I understand, your credit score is only made up of a composition of debt (how long you have used debt, what type of debt, amount of debt you have, and how well you pay it back).  Granted, you can ding your credit score if you miss a payment that you have committed to, but if your score is only built up by taking out debt, how can anything else affect your score?  If I have never borrowed any money, how can I even have a credit score, let alone a good/bad one?  I&#8217;ve tried pulling my credit report, and it basically says that it doesn&#8217;t have enough data to accurately judge my credit score.</p>
<p>Finally, I figure that if I am able to have a 30% down payment, with good income and good payment history on utilities and no debt, most lenders would be crazy not to lend me money for a house.  That may just be someone looking into the thought process of lending, as opposed to accepting that a FICO score needs to be high because people tell me so.</p>
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