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	<title>Comments on: Born to Buy: Inside the Child Brain</title>
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		<title>By: mbhunter</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-254687</link>
		<dc:creator>mbhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was an enlightening book.  A bit scary, but enlightening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an enlightening book.  A bit scary, but enlightening.</p>
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		<title>By: InformationWorker</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-252834</link>
		<dc:creator>InformationWorker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It wasn&#039;t the central theme of your post, but the difference with information work is pretty big.  The hardest thing is that the work day never ends when the work is still going on in your head.  When you&#039;re not paid by the hour but expected to produce a lot of results there is a lot of pressure to work long hours and you don&#039;t get overtime pay.  Being part of a focus group at least has a time constraint on it, but I think it should be the parents reigning things in rather than more government laws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t the central theme of your post, but the difference with information work is pretty big.  The hardest thing is that the work day never ends when the work is still going on in your head.  When you&#8217;re not paid by the hour but expected to produce a lot of results there is a lot of pressure to work long hours and you don&#8217;t get overtime pay.  Being part of a focus group at least has a time constraint on it, but I think it should be the parents reigning things in rather than more government laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-251494</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether or not it is child labor, it is most certainly child exploitation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not it is child labor, it is most certainly child exploitation.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-251159</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being in a focus group is an exchange of time and energy for money, no different than any other job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in a focus group is an exchange of time and energy for money, no different than any other job.</p>
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		<title>By: imelda</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-251082</link>
		<dc:creator>imelda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I don&#039;t really see how you could call a focus group child labor. Those kids aren&#039;t working to support themselves or their families, presumably? They&#039;re not being locked in a warehouse for 8-10 hours at a time doing physical labor. Sitting in a room, playing with toys and giving your opinion for a couple of hours isn&#039;t really work.

The white collar vs blue collar question is more interesting. Certainly, blue collar workers are much more frequently taken advantage of. They&#039;re also, generally, paid crap wages. (hope I&#039;m not offending anyone; I know there are plenty of exceptions, but physical labor is the least compensated) So they certainly deserve protection under the law. And like someone above just said--Blackberrys vs. waiters? Apples and oranges, Trent. People with Blackberrys are generally not being exploited. 

OTOH, there are plenty of people who feel forced, by their office culture, to work excessive hours and do drudgery work that falls outside of their responsibility. Maybe that&#039;s not okay...maybe that&#039;s something we need to think about changing. You&#039;ve given me food for thought on this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t really see how you could call a focus group child labor. Those kids aren&#8217;t working to support themselves or their families, presumably? They&#8217;re not being locked in a warehouse for 8-10 hours at a time doing physical labor. Sitting in a room, playing with toys and giving your opinion for a couple of hours isn&#8217;t really work.</p>
<p>The white collar vs blue collar question is more interesting. Certainly, blue collar workers are much more frequently taken advantage of. They&#8217;re also, generally, paid crap wages. (hope I&#8217;m not offending anyone; I know there are plenty of exceptions, but physical labor is the least compensated) So they certainly deserve protection under the law. And like someone above just said&#8211;Blackberrys vs. waiters? Apples and oranges, Trent. People with Blackberrys are generally not being exploited. </p>
<p>OTOH, there are plenty of people who feel forced, by their office culture, to work excessive hours and do drudgery work that falls outside of their responsibility. Maybe that&#8217;s not okay&#8230;maybe that&#8217;s something we need to think about changing. You&#8217;ve given me food for thought on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-251060</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think sitting at a computer all day can be just as dangerous as being on your feet working with heavy equipment.  I for one am terrified of DVT and blood clots, plus I often find it takes me a while to adjust back into the real, 3D world when I leave my computer, which can be pretty dangerous if I get straight into a car.
Granted, it&#039;s nothing a few minutes of getting up and walking around every now and then wouldn&#039;t fix, but when you&#039;re stuck on a problem it&#039;s very easy to lose track of time...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think sitting at a computer all day can be just as dangerous as being on your feet working with heavy equipment.  I for one am terrified of DVT and blood clots, plus I often find it takes me a while to adjust back into the real, 3D world when I leave my computer, which can be pretty dangerous if I get straight into a car.<br />
Granted, it&#8217;s nothing a few minutes of getting up and walking around every now and then wouldn&#8217;t fix, but when you&#8217;re stuck on a problem it&#8217;s very easy to lose track of time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lizard</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-250996</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a white collar worker, I don&#039;t think I&#039;d want to see &quot;fair labor&quot; laws constrain my work. My employer understands work-life balance and encourages us not to work more than 40 hours a week. But sometimes I get &quot;in the zone&quot; and am super-productive for six hours one evening, and then cut my next work day short. If I were under strict labor laws, I wouldn&#039;t be able to keep working &quot;in the zone&quot;. 

Many child athletes are worked a lot harder than these focus group kids, and aren&#039;t getting paid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a white collar worker, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d want to see &#8220;fair labor&#8221; laws constrain my work. My employer understands work-life balance and encourages us not to work more than 40 hours a week. But sometimes I get &#8220;in the zone&#8221; and am super-productive for six hours one evening, and then cut my next work day short. If I were under strict labor laws, I wouldn&#8217;t be able to keep working &#8220;in the zone&#8221;. </p>
<p>Many child athletes are worked a lot harder than these focus group kids, and aren&#8217;t getting paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister E</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-250930</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jesse

I don&#039;t doubt that and I don&#039;t mean to say that you or I or any other white collar worker shouldn&#039;t benefit from some protection under labour laws.

The examples in the post refer to IT people and businessmen (or women, whatever) expected to be available via cell phone and Blackberry&#039;s and I maintain that that is apples to oranges as compared with a factory worker on a line somewhere.

Even if you as a programmer are expected to physically stay late (and not just be available over the phone as in the post) it is still different in my opinion.  Sitting at a computer (as I myself spend most of my day doing) is not comparable as &quot;work&quot; to someone who spends their day on their feet quite possibly around dangerous materials or equipment.  Putting in a long day in a chair and getting tired is not the same as putting in a long day on your feet labouring and physically working your body on a construction site.

I believe that is the case with the children in the focus group as well.  Although I think there are better things that an 11 year old could be doing at 8:30 on a school night than taking part in a focus group, it is not the same at all as working in a real job flipping burgers.  The focus group is likely a one time thing that they signed up for knowing the hours that would be required in advance.  They likely spend that time in relative comfort answering questions and being treated quite well for the privilege of picking their little brains.  If one of them wanted to up and leave in the middle of the session that would quite likely be allowed with little or no argument and when it is over they all go off on their merry 11yo ways with a few dollars in their pockets and a good feeling about being in on something that their friends are not, albeit a little later at night than they ought to be.  Flipping burgers involves heat generating appliances or even open flames, possibly sharp tools and grease and very likely not being allowed to leave until all the work is done regardless of the hour, and of course being there on a regular schedule not just one time.

Again, I don&#039;t mean to imply that you shouldn&#039;t be protected against abusive employers regardless of your field.  But I maintain apples and oranges as far as the examples given.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jesse</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that and I don&#8217;t mean to say that you or I or any other white collar worker shouldn&#8217;t benefit from some protection under labour laws.</p>
<p>The examples in the post refer to IT people and businessmen (or women, whatever) expected to be available via cell phone and Blackberry&#8217;s and I maintain that that is apples to oranges as compared with a factory worker on a line somewhere.</p>
<p>Even if you as a programmer are expected to physically stay late (and not just be available over the phone as in the post) it is still different in my opinion.  Sitting at a computer (as I myself spend most of my day doing) is not comparable as &#8220;work&#8221; to someone who spends their day on their feet quite possibly around dangerous materials or equipment.  Putting in a long day in a chair and getting tired is not the same as putting in a long day on your feet labouring and physically working your body on a construction site.</p>
<p>I believe that is the case with the children in the focus group as well.  Although I think there are better things that an 11 year old could be doing at 8:30 on a school night than taking part in a focus group, it is not the same at all as working in a real job flipping burgers.  The focus group is likely a one time thing that they signed up for knowing the hours that would be required in advance.  They likely spend that time in relative comfort answering questions and being treated quite well for the privilege of picking their little brains.  If one of them wanted to up and leave in the middle of the session that would quite likely be allowed with little or no argument and when it is over they all go off on their merry 11yo ways with a few dollars in their pockets and a good feeling about being in on something that their friends are not, albeit a little later at night than they ought to be.  Flipping burgers involves heat generating appliances or even open flames, possibly sharp tools and grease and very likely not being allowed to leave until all the work is done regardless of the hour, and of course being there on a regular schedule not just one time.</p>
<p>Again, I don&#8217;t mean to imply that you shouldn&#8217;t be protected against abusive employers regardless of your field.  But I maintain apples and oranges as far as the examples given.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-250897</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with most of the comments that there are significant differences between the circumstances.  But still, I think Trent&#039;s point stands that at least from the perspective of kids working in focus groups, there is a bit of a change in standards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the comments that there are significant differences between the circumstances.  But still, I think Trent&#8217;s point stands that at least from the perspective of kids working in focus groups, there is a bit of a change in standards.</p>
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		<title>By: tightwadfan</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-250885</link>
		<dc:creator>tightwadfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think another reason focus groups are not considered child labor is because they are usually one-time events, whereas working at a fast food place  or retail store would require several hours a week on a continuing basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another reason focus groups are not considered child labor is because they are usually one-time events, whereas working at a fast food place  or retail store would require several hours a week on a continuing basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-250884</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I spend quite a few hours physically on site working  past the point of exhaustion producing applications as a programmer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spend quite a few hours physically on site working  past the point of exhaustion producing applications as a programmer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister E</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/04/22/born-to-buy-inside-the-child-brain/#comment-250875</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blue collar workers still do all the actual productive work.  And forcing someone to be available to late hours via Blackberry is incomparible to making someone physically stay on site working past the point of exhaustion in a mine or a factory.

I work in a white collar job myself and I&#039;m not saying we don&#039;t deserve certain protections but come on, apples and oranges.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue collar workers still do all the actual productive work.  And forcing someone to be available to late hours via Blackberry is incomparible to making someone physically stay on site working past the point of exhaustion in a mine or a factory.</p>
<p>I work in a white collar job myself and I&#8217;m not saying we don&#8217;t deserve certain protections but come on, apples and oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that money made from focus groups is not considered wages, it is considered a gift (similar to if they had given you a hat or a shirt for filling out a form). Since it is not wages, I don&#039;t believe child labor laws would apply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that money made from focus groups is not considered wages, it is considered a gift (similar to if they had given you a hat or a shirt for filling out a form). Since it is not wages, I don&#8217;t believe child labor laws would apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Businessmen are chained to their Blackberries, but waitresses go off duty and forget about the restaurant.&quot;

Careful with the sexist writing, however unintentional it may have been.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Businessmen are chained to their Blackberries, but waitresses go off duty and forget about the restaurant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Careful with the sexist writing, however unintentional it may have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[White collar workers still aren&#039;t doing the actual productive work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White collar workers still aren&#8217;t doing the actual productive work.</p>
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