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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/05/11/sunday-conversation-4/#comment-646833</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 06:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had both parents at home while I was growing up in the 80s - 
my mother worked from home, running a backpackers hostel and my dad was already retired - and I felt fortunate that my mum was always available for school trips and camps, and generally helping out - and when I or my sisters were sick it wasn&#039;t the big deal it was for some of my friends&#039; parents.
@Jillian: I agree about other people&#039;s opinions about motives. I&#039;m vegetarian, simply because that was how I was brought up and I see no reason to change. However, people often assume I&#039;m an animal-rights freak, tree-hugging hippy, healthnut or eco terrorist of some kind. How wrong they are! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had both parents at home while I was growing up in the 80s &#8211;<br />
my mother worked from home, running a backpackers hostel and my dad was already retired &#8211; and I felt fortunate that my mum was always available for school trips and camps, and generally helping out &#8211; and when I or my sisters were sick it wasn&#8217;t the big deal it was for some of my friends&#8217; parents.<br />
@Jillian: I agree about other people&#8217;s opinions about motives. I&#8217;m vegetarian, simply because that was how I was brought up and I see no reason to change. However, people often assume I&#8217;m an animal-rights freak, tree-hugging hippy, healthnut or eco terrorist of some kind. How wrong they are! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tried to be a SAHM as much as possible when our 5 children were growing up.  There were times when I would have to work but my heart was always at home.  In looking back on it, I started having regrets as to what I couldn&#039;t give the kids that other kids had.  I mentioned that to several of my adult children recently and they were surprised that I would even think they didn&#039;t have all that they needed as children growing up.  That made all the &quot;sacrifices&quot; worth it all. They knew they were loved and we all worked together to make our house a home.  They are now  well adjusted adults with goals and careers and know the value of money, unlike so many other young adults these days.  If I could do it all over again, I would have found even more ways to stay home even more of the time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to be a SAHM as much as possible when our 5 children were growing up.  There were times when I would have to work but my heart was always at home.  In looking back on it, I started having regrets as to what I couldn&#8217;t give the kids that other kids had.  I mentioned that to several of my adult children recently and they were surprised that I would even think they didn&#8217;t have all that they needed as children growing up.  That made all the &#8220;sacrifices&#8221; worth it all. They knew they were loved and we all worked together to make our house a home.  They are now  well adjusted adults with goals and careers and know the value of money, unlike so many other young adults these days.  If I could do it all over again, I would have found even more ways to stay home even more of the time!</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie's Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/05/11/sunday-conversation-4/#comment-290181</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie's Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 20:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is amazing.  I now work for a techno company and I am just discovering blogs.  I am biased toward SAHMs.  (who would have thought we would have an our own initials).  Together my husband and I were a stay at home parent. (Does that change the initials to SAHD  or SAHP stay at home parent?) It was a blessing to me and I hope to our children.  Bless your little hearts for all marvels that you do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is amazing.  I now work for a techno company and I am just discovering blogs.  I am biased toward SAHMs.  (who would have thought we would have an our own initials).  Together my husband and I were a stay at home parent. (Does that change the initials to SAHD  or SAHP stay at home parent?) It was a blessing to me and I hope to our children.  Bless your little hearts for all marvels that you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda (Aussie-Girl)</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/05/11/sunday-conversation-4/#comment-289834</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda (Aussie-Girl)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both are kids are in school now but boy do they still need you when they come home...........
Our daughter who is now 10 always asks me before she leaves for school,
&quot;Will you or Dad be home when school finishes?&quot; whilst our son who is 7 couldn&#039;t care less whether we were home or not, just whether the &#039;home-made&#039; cookie jar was full!
Furthermore, it is my great honour &amp; pleasure to help (along with my SAHM sister) take care of my parents who both have Alzheimer&#039;s but whom desperately still want to live in their own home.
Ah, Home it truly is where the heart is!
I could never do any of this if I had to work full-time?  Praise God for all His Blessings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both are kids are in school now but boy do they still need you when they come home&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Our daughter who is now 10 always asks me before she leaves for school,<br />
&#8220;Will you or Dad be home when school finishes?&#8221; whilst our son who is 7 couldn&#8217;t care less whether we were home or not, just whether the &#8216;home-made&#8217; cookie jar was full!<br />
Furthermore, it is my great honour &amp; pleasure to help (along with my SAHM sister) take care of my parents who both have Alzheimer&#8217;s but whom desperately still want to live in their own home.<br />
Ah, Home it truly is where the heart is!<br />
I could never do any of this if I had to work full-time?  Praise God for all His Blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/05/11/sunday-conversation-4/#comment-275555</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My ultimate point is that though SS disability is not as generous as private disability insurance, the &quot;premium&quot; is only a modest amount of earned income.

From the SS website:
 
&quot;If you are disabled at age 31 or older, you generally need at least 20 credits in the 10 years immediately before you became disabled.&quot;

So only about $2,000 in annual earnings (2 credits/year over 10 years) keeps you covered.

Are stay at home parents really so busy that they can&#039;t generate $2,000 in earned income over the course of an entire year?

It&#039;s a last resort safety net in the case of total disability of that parent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ultimate point is that though SS disability is not as generous as private disability insurance, the &#8220;premium&#8221; is only a modest amount of earned income.</p>
<p>From the SS website:</p>
<p>&#8220;If you are disabled at age 31 or older, you generally need at least 20 credits in the 10 years immediately before you became disabled.&#8221;</p>
<p>So only about $2,000 in annual earnings (2 credits/year over 10 years) keeps you covered.</p>
<p>Are stay at home parents really so busy that they can&#8217;t generate $2,000 in earned income over the course of an entire year?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a last resort safety net in the case of total disability of that parent.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More power to the women who stay home with their children.  My mom did that raising me in the 60&#039;s, and if I had married and had children, I would have wanted to do that too.  

I don&#039;t think it is necessarily a contradiction in terms to be a feminist, and at the same time recognize the awesome value of full time motherhood, and honor it.  

I&#039;ve been in a traditionally male career for over 30 years.  I&#039;ve never understood why full time motherhood would be belittled.  Dollars are not the measure of your life.  It shows the greatest faith in God, and I think God will amply reward it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More power to the women who stay home with their children.  My mom did that raising me in the 60&#8242;s, and if I had married and had children, I would have wanted to do that too.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is necessarily a contradiction in terms to be a feminist, and at the same time recognize the awesome value of full time motherhood, and honor it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in a traditionally male career for over 30 years.  I&#8217;ve never understood why full time motherhood would be belittled.  Dollars are not the measure of your life.  It shows the greatest faith in God, and I think God will amply reward it.</p>
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		<title>By: aMotherSite</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/05/11/sunday-conversation-4/#comment-275168</link>
		<dc:creator>aMotherSite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am my kids mom. I couldn&#039;t make enough money to cover the cost child care and our increased tax bracket if I were to work. I also LOVE being home with my kids. I/ we decide what they need to learn and what morals they need to have without the constant influence of childcare centers. 

RE #15 - We have put that into our budget and we aren&#039;t relying on SS in anyway in our retirement planning/ life planning. We set aside $ for health care and once I go back to work we will purchase disability insurance. In the mean time I have life  insurance.

RE #18 - I&#039;m on board as well for living greener because. I&#039;m a baby wearing, cloth diapering, and ECing mamma who uses natural cleaning products and tries to make more healthy eating choices;                        We are going &quot;greener&quot; because we see a cost benefit in the long run with our health care and pocket book. We are also turning greener because statistics are bad for bad eaters. 

Re #19- I absolutely agree. I have 2 degrees and know I am giving my children more because of my educational experiences. After the kids grow up, I do plan on going back to work, but I am giving them a great foundation now in life. My children WILL go to college or trade school and I suspect that at least one of my girls will stay at home with their children. I will not think that her education is a wasted education or a waste of money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am my kids mom. I couldn&#8217;t make enough money to cover the cost child care and our increased tax bracket if I were to work. I also LOVE being home with my kids. I/ we decide what they need to learn and what morals they need to have without the constant influence of childcare centers. </p>
<p>RE #15 &#8211; We have put that into our budget and we aren&#8217;t relying on SS in anyway in our retirement planning/ life planning. We set aside $ for health care and once I go back to work we will purchase disability insurance. In the mean time I have life  insurance.</p>
<p>RE #18 &#8211; I&#8217;m on board as well for living greener because. I&#8217;m a baby wearing, cloth diapering, and ECing mamma who uses natural cleaning products and tries to make more healthy eating choices;                        We are going &#8220;greener&#8221; because we see a cost benefit in the long run with our health care and pocket book. We are also turning greener because statistics are bad for bad eaters. </p>
<p>Re #19- I absolutely agree. I have 2 degrees and know I am giving my children more because of my educational experiences. After the kids grow up, I do plan on going back to work, but I am giving them a great foundation now in life. My children WILL go to college or trade school and I suspect that at least one of my girls will stay at home with their children. I will not think that her education is a wasted education or a waste of money.</p>
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		<title>By: de</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/05/11/sunday-conversation-4/#comment-275086</link>
		<dc:creator>de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 00:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I left a pretty well paid job in the mid eighties to raise my kids because we were all happier when I was home, and because we did the math. After I switched to half time, even with my relatively high hourly pay, we broke even after expenses and the higher tax bracket I bumped us into. If more families looked at the actual income per hour, factoring in ALL of the expenses, of a second income, they might not be so sure they needed it. And after 13 precious years of homeschooling my children, I&#039;d rather be very poor, if necessary, and have that time with them, than have anything I can get with cash.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left a pretty well paid job in the mid eighties to raise my kids because we were all happier when I was home, and because we did the math. After I switched to half time, even with my relatively high hourly pay, we broke even after expenses and the higher tax bracket I bumped us into. If more families looked at the actual income per hour, factoring in ALL of the expenses, of a second income, they might not be so sure they needed it. And after 13 precious years of homeschooling my children, I&#8217;d rather be very poor, if necessary, and have that time with them, than have anything I can get with cash.</p>
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		<title>By: margo</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/05/11/sunday-conversation-4/#comment-274654</link>
		<dc:creator>margo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;I am curious about this, just because I hear of lots of women going out and get phenomenal degrees that cost a lot of money and then they have kids and stay at home to raise their kids instead. Did you not like the field that you got your degree in?

1. Women who are in college earning degrees can&#039;t predict the path their lives will take. Even if a woman enters school knowing she wants to get married and be a stay-at-home wife and mother, she can&#039;t be sure that she will find a suitable husband, she can&#039;t be sure she and her husband will be in a situation to have (or adopt) children, she can&#039;t be sure her husband will make enough money to allow her to stay home (or that he will agree to be the sole breadwinner). 

2. Should something terrible happen, such as the death of her husband (or more commonly, divorce), she will be glad to have an advanced degree she can put to use. 

3. College is an experience that provides more than just a diploma.

4. Stay-at-home parenting isn&#039;t all wiping butts and cooking supper. An educated parent will likely have more tools at her disposal for helping her kids with homework and providing them opportunities to learn outside of school hours.

Women who have worked very hard to obtain educational credentialling and/or diplomas are providing themselves with more opportunities, not less. I think the sad truth is that its also an important &quot;insurance policy&quot; in this era of all-too-common divorce. I think a prudent woman buffers herself and her children against possible future storms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I am curious about this, just because I hear of lots of women going out and get phenomenal degrees that cost a lot of money and then they have kids and stay at home to raise their kids instead. Did you not like the field that you got your degree in?</p>
<p>1. Women who are in college earning degrees can&#8217;t predict the path their lives will take. Even if a woman enters school knowing she wants to get married and be a stay-at-home wife and mother, she can&#8217;t be sure that she will find a suitable husband, she can&#8217;t be sure she and her husband will be in a situation to have (or adopt) children, she can&#8217;t be sure her husband will make enough money to allow her to stay home (or that he will agree to be the sole breadwinner). </p>
<p>2. Should something terrible happen, such as the death of her husband (or more commonly, divorce), she will be glad to have an advanced degree she can put to use. </p>
<p>3. College is an experience that provides more than just a diploma.</p>
<p>4. Stay-at-home parenting isn&#8217;t all wiping butts and cooking supper. An educated parent will likely have more tools at her disposal for helping her kids with homework and providing them opportunities to learn outside of school hours.</p>
<p>Women who have worked very hard to obtain educational credentialling and/or diplomas are providing themselves with more opportunities, not less. I think the sad truth is that its also an important &#8220;insurance policy&#8221; in this era of all-too-common divorce. I think a prudent woman buffers herself and her children against possible future storms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/05/11/sunday-conversation-4/#comment-274393</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved the comment about being &quot;green because I&#039;m selfish&quot;.  I&#039;ve recently started buying free range/organic/local food because I believe it&#039;s healthier and more nutritious.

My vegetarian friends suddenly think I&#039;m interested in saving all the animals, and get all excited telling me stories about sow crates and battery hens.  My family all look down their nose at me as though I&#039;m on a one person crusade to save the world and eliminate global warming (which I&#039;m not even sure I believe in!)  

It&#039;s funny how people can look at your actions and attribute motivations that aren&#039;t even there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the comment about being &#8220;green because I&#8217;m selfish&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve recently started buying free range/organic/local food because I believe it&#8217;s healthier and more nutritious.</p>
<p>My vegetarian friends suddenly think I&#8217;m interested in saving all the animals, and get all excited telling me stories about sow crates and battery hens.  My family all look down their nose at me as though I&#8217;m on a one person crusade to save the world and eliminate global warming (which I&#8217;m not even sure I believe in!)  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how people can look at your actions and attribute motivations that aren&#8217;t even there.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 03:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Disability insurance is quite cheap.  I was a government employee before leaving the workforce and never contributed a dime to Social Security, so I wouldn&#039;t qualify for it if I became disabled.  I had to have a seperate policy - very cheap - especially for a woman.  That being said I do have life insurance, too, eventhough no one is dependant on me.  But its very cheap for women and its nice to know its there for my husband should he need it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disability insurance is quite cheap.  I was a government employee before leaving the workforce and never contributed a dime to Social Security, so I wouldn&#8217;t qualify for it if I became disabled.  I had to have a seperate policy &#8211; very cheap &#8211; especially for a woman.  That being said I do have life insurance, too, eventhough no one is dependant on me.  But its very cheap for women and its nice to know its there for my husband should he need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ dogatemyfinances - I think some stay-at-home-mom&#039;s (SAHM&#039;s) express what others perceive as shame, because we are growing up in a culture that implies that earning money is more important than relational or spiritual values. Or to put it to a finer point for mothers - that we should work because of all the efforts that women have gone through in the past to clear the way for us.  That really gets into a whole can of worms regarding the feminist movement.    So, we sometimes feel the need to justify our reasons to people who ask, disbelievingly, &#039;why would you give up so much, just to stay home with your kids.&#039;  Unfortunately, the same movement that has enabled the women in my family to go to school, and to be treated as equals amongst their career co-workers, has at the same time led society to devalue the work done in the home by stay-at-home-parents.

@ Wonko Beeblebrox - regarding why women would get am expensive degree, and then stay at home with kids - I would suggest that most of us didn&#039;t specifically have in mind getting a degree, and then not earning any money with the training. We got the degree, then it turned out we had kids - low and behold, we like our kids more than we like our jobs!  I never thought I&#039;d be a SAHM, seriously - I never thought I wanted kids - but when it came down to choosing, as much as I love my field, there are things that are more important to me.  Essentially, every individual grows and changes over time, and we should never expect someone to always stick with what they thought they wanted to do when they were 22 years old.   
 
Regarding why we didn&#039;t go for 2 part-time parents instead of 1 full-time - my husbands&#039; job situation makes this difficult, and because I didn&#039;t have a burning desire to be working outside the home on a regular basis, we didn&#039;t pursue it.

I would consider increasing my work to provide a greater income than the minimal contract work that I do, if my children are enrolled in a public school.  However, any work outside the home brings with it certain trade-offs, regardless of how many hours are worked in a week.  Also, part-time work tends to be at a less-skilled level, and to some degree, less willing to be flexible with family situations - I mean, hey, it&#039;s part-time - they can find someone else who wants those hours.  In general, though, I think it&#039;s totally worth considering working part time once children are school-age.  You just have to evaluate your own situation and values.

@KC - about the Stress - Totally!  I hear from some of my friends who work while having young children at home, and I thank my husband that very day for providing enough that we don&#039;t have to stress in that way.

@Tana - I very much agree with your analysis of &quot;disadvatanges.&quot;  Which ever path chosen - full-time, part-time, or SAHM - there are sacrifices, disadvantages and advantages.  I realized that I can&#039;t have it all (not at the same time) so I&#039;m choosing to not try to attain something that is unrealistic, and more importantly, stressful (on me and my family, I won&#039;t speak for others).

@bill - you have a good point about the SS benefits - that is one of the disadvantages to being a SAHM.  It&#039;s worth considering when thinking about being a SAHM, but I wouldn&#039;t treat it as the make or break factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ dogatemyfinances &#8211; I think some stay-at-home-mom&#8217;s (SAHM&#8217;s) express what others perceive as shame, because we are growing up in a culture that implies that earning money is more important than relational or spiritual values. Or to put it to a finer point for mothers &#8211; that we should work because of all the efforts that women have gone through in the past to clear the way for us.  That really gets into a whole can of worms regarding the feminist movement.    So, we sometimes feel the need to justify our reasons to people who ask, disbelievingly, &#8216;why would you give up so much, just to stay home with your kids.&#8217;  Unfortunately, the same movement that has enabled the women in my family to go to school, and to be treated as equals amongst their career co-workers, has at the same time led society to devalue the work done in the home by stay-at-home-parents.</p>
<p>@ Wonko Beeblebrox &#8211; regarding why women would get am expensive degree, and then stay at home with kids &#8211; I would suggest that most of us didn&#8217;t specifically have in mind getting a degree, and then not earning any money with the training. We got the degree, then it turned out we had kids &#8211; low and behold, we like our kids more than we like our jobs!  I never thought I&#8217;d be a SAHM, seriously &#8211; I never thought I wanted kids &#8211; but when it came down to choosing, as much as I love my field, there are things that are more important to me.  Essentially, every individual grows and changes over time, and we should never expect someone to always stick with what they thought they wanted to do when they were 22 years old.   </p>
<p>Regarding why we didn&#8217;t go for 2 part-time parents instead of 1 full-time &#8211; my husbands&#8217; job situation makes this difficult, and because I didn&#8217;t have a burning desire to be working outside the home on a regular basis, we didn&#8217;t pursue it.</p>
<p>I would consider increasing my work to provide a greater income than the minimal contract work that I do, if my children are enrolled in a public school.  However, any work outside the home brings with it certain trade-offs, regardless of how many hours are worked in a week.  Also, part-time work tends to be at a less-skilled level, and to some degree, less willing to be flexible with family situations &#8211; I mean, hey, it&#8217;s part-time &#8211; they can find someone else who wants those hours.  In general, though, I think it&#8217;s totally worth considering working part time once children are school-age.  You just have to evaluate your own situation and values.</p>
<p>@KC &#8211; about the Stress &#8211; Totally!  I hear from some of my friends who work while having young children at home, and I thank my husband that very day for providing enough that we don&#8217;t have to stress in that way.</p>
<p>@Tana &#8211; I very much agree with your analysis of &#8220;disadvatanges.&#8221;  Which ever path chosen &#8211; full-time, part-time, or SAHM &#8211; there are sacrifices, disadvantages and advantages.  I realized that I can&#8217;t have it all (not at the same time) so I&#8217;m choosing to not try to attain something that is unrealistic, and more importantly, stressful (on me and my family, I won&#8217;t speak for others).</p>
<p>@bill &#8211; you have a good point about the SS benefits &#8211; that is one of the disadvantages to being a SAHM.  It&#8217;s worth considering when thinking about being a SAHM, but I wouldn&#8217;t treat it as the make or break factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 00:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those in the U.S., given my personal experience, I would strongly encourage any stay at home parent to work part-time enough to max their Social Security work credits each year, so they remain eligible for SS disability.

In 2008, you receive one credit for each $1,050 of earnings, up to the maximum of four credits per year.

The biggest advantage to SS disability, IMHO, is that one becomes Medicare-eligible 24 months after qualifying for SS disability.

My mom became ill in her mid 40s, and since she never worked for wages after her children were born, was not SS eligible.

She lived over a decade with her illness - qualifying for SS disability (especially Medicare) would have made things much easier on everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those in the U.S., given my personal experience, I would strongly encourage any stay at home parent to work part-time enough to max their Social Security work credits each year, so they remain eligible for SS disability.</p>
<p>In 2008, you receive one credit for each $1,050 of earnings, up to the maximum of four credits per year.</p>
<p>The biggest advantage to SS disability, IMHO, is that one becomes Medicare-eligible 24 months after qualifying for SS disability.</p>
<p>My mom became ill in her mid 40s, and since she never worked for wages after her children were born, was not SS eligible.</p>
<p>She lived over a decade with her illness &#8211; qualifying for SS disability (especially Medicare) would have made things much easier on everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 00:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stay at home moms should get special recognition. 

They are giving up careers to help provide the anchor in the family.  

These sacrifices help our children understand the importance of parental responsibility.

Good article recognizing our heroes of today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stay at home moms should get special recognition. </p>
<p>They are giving up careers to help provide the anchor in the family.  </p>
<p>These sacrifices help our children understand the importance of parental responsibility.</p>
<p>Good article recognizing our heroes of today.</p>
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		<title>By: tambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Either my husband or I have been the &#039;stay at home parent&#039; throughout our daughter&#039;s entire life because we believed that raising a happy, healthy kid that we had time to spend with was more important than any paycheck or gizmo. She&#039;s about to graduate high school and head off to college now and we&#039;re very, very proud of her and all that she&#039;s accomplished. We&#039;ve been financially broke many, many times, sometimes for years at a stretch, but it was always worth it. All of her friends hang out at our house and we know them very well. There&#039;s never been a question if our daughter can participate in any given activity because one of us was always able to transport her - and often her friends. Yes, money was often very tight, but TIME was ample, available, and very flexible. 

I look at parents who rush through their children&#039;s lives, dropping them off here or there and running around to get other things done just so they can hurry through a drive through to eat supper in the car on the way to the next activity. I see their stress, their aggravation, their health declining, and their marriages being strained or broken. People I went to high school with now look much older and oh so tired.

We host the sleepovers, the pizza parties, and the bonfires. We&#039;ve never missed a single parent teacher conference, ball game, concert, bake sale, or science fair. We&#039;ve taken in kids whose families were strained to the breaking point, and we&#039;ve given dozens of teenagers a place to &#039;hang out&#039; that&#039;s safe and welcoming. We know where our daughter is and what she&#039;s doing because she&#039;s in the back yard or living room giggling and goofing off with her friends.

Yes, we own junky cars and live in a plain house with only one television, and yes, we could have had more and cooler stuff if we both had worked all of these years. But we raised a great kid. For us, the time with her was worth far more than that extra paycheck.

I think Carrie is definitely on the right track.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either my husband or I have been the &#8216;stay at home parent&#8217; throughout our daughter&#8217;s entire life because we believed that raising a happy, healthy kid that we had time to spend with was more important than any paycheck or gizmo. She&#8217;s about to graduate high school and head off to college now and we&#8217;re very, very proud of her and all that she&#8217;s accomplished. We&#8217;ve been financially broke many, many times, sometimes for years at a stretch, but it was always worth it. All of her friends hang out at our house and we know them very well. There&#8217;s never been a question if our daughter can participate in any given activity because one of us was always able to transport her &#8211; and often her friends. Yes, money was often very tight, but TIME was ample, available, and very flexible. </p>
<p>I look at parents who rush through their children&#8217;s lives, dropping them off here or there and running around to get other things done just so they can hurry through a drive through to eat supper in the car on the way to the next activity. I see their stress, their aggravation, their health declining, and their marriages being strained or broken. People I went to high school with now look much older and oh so tired.</p>
<p>We host the sleepovers, the pizza parties, and the bonfires. We&#8217;ve never missed a single parent teacher conference, ball game, concert, bake sale, or science fair. We&#8217;ve taken in kids whose families were strained to the breaking point, and we&#8217;ve given dozens of teenagers a place to &#8216;hang out&#8217; that&#8217;s safe and welcoming. We know where our daughter is and what she&#8217;s doing because she&#8217;s in the back yard or living room giggling and goofing off with her friends.</p>
<p>Yes, we own junky cars and live in a plain house with only one television, and yes, we could have had more and cooler stuff if we both had worked all of these years. But we raised a great kid. For us, the time with her was worth far more than that extra paycheck.</p>
<p>I think Carrie is definitely on the right track.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s so awesome Carrie that you can be home with them...  I really think that being able to do that is priceless...  all the best to you and your family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so awesome Carrie that you can be home with them&#8230;  I really think that being able to do that is priceless&#8230;  all the best to you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: Tana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I especially like her answer to whether her staying at home is causing an economic disadvantage. And I cringed when I read the question (and the one that follows it about recouping the loss). It really is a difference of values. 

I mean, why don&#039;t you go ask a nurse how she deals with the &quot;economic disadvantage&quot; of being a nurse rather than a doctor? Or a law secretary in regards to being a lawyer? You can pick a career that makes big money, or a career that you enjoy (such as being a writer). Money doesn&#039;t translate directly to quality of life. 

As a mother who stays at home myself, I don&#039;t have to deal with disadvantages that many working mothers face. I don&#039;t have to figure out how to take off work when my children are sick. In fact, my children rarely get sick. I don&#039;t have to deal with the disadvantage of taking them to the playground when everyone else is there on the evenings and weekends - we can go during the day and essentially have the place to ourselves. I don&#039;t have to go in and wake my kids up every morning and make them get moving so we can get out the door on time; they get to sleep until they&#039;re cheerful and ready to get up. And I don&#039;t have to figure out how to spend time with my children while trying to take care of household duties and running errands in the little bit of time I have when I&#039;m not at work every day; when my husband comes from work in the evening, all of that stuff is done and we get to enjoy spending time together as a family. 

If you&#039;re a working mother, you simply accept having the disadvantages of the time constraints put on you by spending 40+ hours a week away from your family. Nobody ever talks about those realities as disadvantages; they&#039;re just accepted as facts of life, like only having 24 hours in a day. Those of us who choose to stay at home see our &quot;disadvantages&quot; in a similar light. How much money we have in the bank is how much money we have in the bank. We don&#039;t live our lives with a &quot;disadvantaged&quot; mentality.

Time spent doing one thing is time not spent doing something else. Life is a series of choices. Like Carrie said, it&#039;s a question of values.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I especially like her answer to whether her staying at home is causing an economic disadvantage. And I cringed when I read the question (and the one that follows it about recouping the loss). It really is a difference of values. </p>
<p>I mean, why don&#8217;t you go ask a nurse how she deals with the &#8220;economic disadvantage&#8221; of being a nurse rather than a doctor? Or a law secretary in regards to being a lawyer? You can pick a career that makes big money, or a career that you enjoy (such as being a writer). Money doesn&#8217;t translate directly to quality of life. </p>
<p>As a mother who stays at home myself, I don&#8217;t have to deal with disadvantages that many working mothers face. I don&#8217;t have to figure out how to take off work when my children are sick. In fact, my children rarely get sick. I don&#8217;t have to deal with the disadvantage of taking them to the playground when everyone else is there on the evenings and weekends &#8211; we can go during the day and essentially have the place to ourselves. I don&#8217;t have to go in and wake my kids up every morning and make them get moving so we can get out the door on time; they get to sleep until they&#8217;re cheerful and ready to get up. And I don&#8217;t have to figure out how to spend time with my children while trying to take care of household duties and running errands in the little bit of time I have when I&#8217;m not at work every day; when my husband comes from work in the evening, all of that stuff is done and we get to enjoy spending time together as a family. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a working mother, you simply accept having the disadvantages of the time constraints put on you by spending 40+ hours a week away from your family. Nobody ever talks about those realities as disadvantages; they&#8217;re just accepted as facts of life, like only having 24 hours in a day. Those of us who choose to stay at home see our &#8220;disadvantages&#8221; in a similar light. How much money we have in the bank is how much money we have in the bank. We don&#8217;t live our lives with a &#8220;disadvantaged&#8221; mentality.</p>
<p>Time spent doing one thing is time not spent doing something else. Life is a series of choices. Like Carrie said, it&#8217;s a question of values.</p>
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		<title>By: MommyGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>MommyGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been a stay at home mom for nearly 14 years (since I was 6 months pregnant with our first child) and now that our youngest will start kindergarten this fall, I look forward to returning to college and work. I have thoroughly enjoyed this time watching our &quot;babies&quot; grow up. Our situation has been similar to the one Carrie has-my husband&#039;s work schedule had him coming home at varying times due to the seasonal nature of his job-anywhere from 45 to 60+ hours per week! And I have NOT had the luxury of having a &quot;built in&quot; babysitter in the form of a mom/mother-in-law. We have been on our own(with God&#039;s divine help). Our children have not been spoiled with anything other than love and undivided attention. They are not very materialistic and according to many friends, neighbors and teachers demonstrate model behavior. Yes, they &quot;let their hair down&quot; from time to time, but at least they have done it at home. We have made many frugal choices over the years-not to mention endured the &quot;helpful&quot; advice of MANY who believe we could be doing better if we just &quot;put them in daycare/preschool.&quot; I am proud to be a stay at home parent and encourage all parents who are able to find a way to make it happen for their families as well. You will be so glad you did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a stay at home mom for nearly 14 years (since I was 6 months pregnant with our first child) and now that our youngest will start kindergarten this fall, I look forward to returning to college and work. I have thoroughly enjoyed this time watching our &#8220;babies&#8221; grow up. Our situation has been similar to the one Carrie has-my husband&#8217;s work schedule had him coming home at varying times due to the seasonal nature of his job-anywhere from 45 to 60+ hours per week! And I have NOT had the luxury of having a &#8220;built in&#8221; babysitter in the form of a mom/mother-in-law. We have been on our own(with God&#8217;s divine help). Our children have not been spoiled with anything other than love and undivided attention. They are not very materialistic and according to many friends, neighbors and teachers demonstrate model behavior. Yes, they &#8220;let their hair down&#8221; from time to time, but at least they have done it at home. We have made many frugal choices over the years-not to mention endured the &#8220;helpful&#8221; advice of MANY who believe we could be doing better if we just &#8220;put them in daycare/preschool.&#8221; I am proud to be a stay at home parent and encourage all parents who are able to find a way to make it happen for their families as well. You will be so glad you did.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@dogatemyfinances--I didn&#039;t detect an ounce of shame (and righfully so) in Carrie&#039;s statement that she&#039;s a stay-at-home parent. Many stay-at-home parents DO feel the need to qualify that label, but I think what Carrie was saying is that she hasn&#039;t completely dropped out of the workforce as she does take on contract jobs from time to time.

@wonko--obviously, your values are different from Carrie&#039;s. Her family is able to live comfortably with the current income level so there is no dire need for her to squeeze a paid job, part-time or otherwise, into to her responsibilities as the primary care giver in her family. And I don&#039;t get the sense that she&#039;s itching to return to the paid workforce the first chance she gets.

We&#039;re contemplating moving out of the Bay Area in 1 -2 years so that, hopefully, as we being our family we can be in a similar situation. We can&#039;t even conceive of conceiving in the Bay Area on two incomes, but if we move out we could probably live comfortably on just one. 

And I&#039;ve noticed a huge shift in the status of our home (and our health) between the time when I was fresh out of school and umemployed as opposed to having a full-time job--the home was cleaner, small repairs were done more timely, I was able to bargain shop more effectively, I was able to exercise at any time of the day instead of trying to squeeze it in before or after work, and more and healthier meals were cooked in the home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dogatemyfinances&#8211;I didn&#8217;t detect an ounce of shame (and righfully so) in Carrie&#8217;s statement that she&#8217;s a stay-at-home parent. Many stay-at-home parents DO feel the need to qualify that label, but I think what Carrie was saying is that she hasn&#8217;t completely dropped out of the workforce as she does take on contract jobs from time to time.</p>
<p>@wonko&#8211;obviously, your values are different from Carrie&#8217;s. Her family is able to live comfortably with the current income level so there is no dire need for her to squeeze a paid job, part-time or otherwise, into to her responsibilities as the primary care giver in her family. And I don&#8217;t get the sense that she&#8217;s itching to return to the paid workforce the first chance she gets.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re contemplating moving out of the Bay Area in 1 -2 years so that, hopefully, as we being our family we can be in a similar situation. We can&#8217;t even conceive of conceiving in the Bay Area on two incomes, but if we move out we could probably live comfortably on just one. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve noticed a huge shift in the status of our home (and our health) between the time when I was fresh out of school and umemployed as opposed to having a full-time job&#8211;the home was cleaner, small repairs were done more timely, I was able to bargain shop more effectively, I was able to exercise at any time of the day instead of trying to squeeze it in before or after work, and more and healthier meals were cooked in the home.</p>
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		<title>By: Bella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope that me or my husband will be able to stay at home. It is a priority for me. I am recently out of school (less than three years), so it will be a challenge to stay at home. We recently bought a new car, for a good price and put a good cash on it, so it will be paid in full only a few months after the purchase. I am realising that the more I will own free and clear when I decide to have kids, easier it will be. So, we are now working toward this goal to be able to have one of us be at home.
No matter what we say, money is always a matter!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that me or my husband will be able to stay at home. It is a priority for me. I am recently out of school (less than three years), so it will be a challenge to stay at home. We recently bought a new car, for a good price and put a good cash on it, so it will be paid in full only a few months after the purchase. I am realising that the more I will own free and clear when I decide to have kids, easier it will be. So, we are now working toward this goal to be able to have one of us be at home.<br />
No matter what we say, money is always a matter!</p>
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