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	<title>Comments on: Twelve Ways to Make Your Car a Better Investment</title>
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		<title>By: Nickelodeon Auditions</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/06/17/twelve-ways-to-make-your-car-a-better-investment/comment-page-2/#comment-427249</link>
		<dc:creator>Nickelodeon Auditions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, you may disagree with me but cars will always be a loss of investment once they are driven off the lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, you may disagree with me but cars will always be a loss of investment once they are driven off the lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Macinac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macinac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pattern is to buy an unpopular orphan and drive it until it wears out. If I can afford it, I buy new, but look for bargain situations. In 1999, for example, I bought a new Nissan Maxima for 20% off because they were overstocked with a dead end model about to be obsoleted. I still have it. In 2007 I bought a new Mercury Montego for 40% off because it had hail damage dings all over it. The glass had been replaced but it was ugly due to the pock marks. This car was otherwise in new condition. I have not repaired the dings because I credit them with saving me 12 grand. They&#039;re valuable!

In 2004 I finally sold for $5 my 86 Saab that was rusty and run down and had over 400,000 miles. But it still worked, so I think the buyer got fair value. I had to do it: my wife was getting embarassed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pattern is to buy an unpopular orphan and drive it until it wears out. If I can afford it, I buy new, but look for bargain situations. In 1999, for example, I bought a new Nissan Maxima for 20% off because they were overstocked with a dead end model about to be obsoleted. I still have it. In 2007 I bought a new Mercury Montego for 40% off because it had hail damage dings all over it. The glass had been replaced but it was ugly due to the pock marks. This car was otherwise in new condition. I have not repaired the dings because I credit them with saving me 12 grand. They&#8217;re valuable!</p>
<p>In 2004 I finally sold for $5 my 86 Saab that was rusty and run down and had over 400,000 miles. But it still worked, so I think the buyer got fair value. I had to do it: my wife was getting embarassed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d second the notion of proper upkeep making the most of your investment in your car.  Certainly, you want to be diligent about the mechanical maintenance, but you&#039;d also be surprised how effective washing &amp; waxing (by hand) can be at mitigating weather&#039;s nasty effects on your car&#039;s finish.  And really, gone are the old Turtle Wax paste days when waxing your car was a monumentally laborious feat.  The liquid waxes available now are easy and essentially foolproof to apply and make your car look like a million bucks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d second the notion of proper upkeep making the most of your investment in your car.  Certainly, you want to be diligent about the mechanical maintenance, but you&#8217;d also be surprised how effective washing &amp; waxing (by hand) can be at mitigating weather&#8217;s nasty effects on your car&#8217;s finish.  And really, gone are the old Turtle Wax paste days when waxing your car was a monumentally laborious feat.  The liquid waxes available now are easy and essentially foolproof to apply and make your car look like a million bucks!</p>
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		<title>By: Emy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Faculties #15

Wow, learn some manners. It&#039;s one thing to ask if someone is receiving payments for advertising within their content. It&#039;s another to more or less accuse them of it with no evidence whatsoever, being sure to cast aspersions on the person&#039;s ethics at the same time. 
Trent is providing free advice to you and as I recall him saying elsewhere, it is your responsibility to check out other sources, especially if you feel something is suspect. Also, all sources are biased in hidden ways, many times unintentional. That (I assumed until now) is a no-brainer. 
Heck, here is another source for you: I&#039;ve used INGDirect for 6-7 years and love it--he would indeed be remiss in not mentioning it. Its rates are not always the highest of all the high-interest internet banks, but it has consistently been far above what I get at my B&amp;M bank, and the interface (except the log-in) and reliability are great. I&#039;ve used Sharebuilder for 4-5 and have similarly had a great experience (SB was just purchased by ING and it is even better now; before it was a bit lower budget and didn&#039;t have all the extras like Quicken compatiblity.)

Trent, this is my first time commenting but I&#039;ve read through a great deal of your blog...thank you for your efforts; I do hope you keep up the good work despite those who feel the need to be rude and hostile to people who give of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Faculties #15</p>
<p>Wow, learn some manners. It&#8217;s one thing to ask if someone is receiving payments for advertising within their content. It&#8217;s another to more or less accuse them of it with no evidence whatsoever, being sure to cast aspersions on the person&#8217;s ethics at the same time.<br />
Trent is providing free advice to you and as I recall him saying elsewhere, it is your responsibility to check out other sources, especially if you feel something is suspect. Also, all sources are biased in hidden ways, many times unintentional. That (I assumed until now) is a no-brainer.<br />
Heck, here is another source for you: I&#8217;ve used INGDirect for 6-7 years and love it&#8211;he would indeed be remiss in not mentioning it. Its rates are not always the highest of all the high-interest internet banks, but it has consistently been far above what I get at my B&amp;M bank, and the interface (except the log-in) and reliability are great. I&#8217;ve used Sharebuilder for 4-5 and have similarly had a great experience (SB was just purchased by ING and it is even better now; before it was a bit lower budget and didn&#8217;t have all the extras like Quicken compatiblity.)</p>
<p>Trent, this is my first time commenting but I&#8217;ve read through a great deal of your blog&#8230;thank you for your efforts; I do hope you keep up the good work despite those who feel the need to be rude and hostile to people who give of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A car is a tool, get&#039;s you from one place to another ... hopefully in one piece. Hard idea to get across, especailly to young folks. I&#039;ve always paid cash, and except for the rental cars mentioned below, have usually purchased something eight years or older. You can save a tremendous amount of money on insurance, and if your doors get dinged now and then at the grocery store, so what.

I save money changing my oil because I live in a rural area, and don&#039;t have any of the chain oil change stores nearby. Don&#039;t have the time to have the car locked up for half a day or so at a shop for an oil change. Autozone takes the used oil and recycles it for free.

If you are determinied to buy new, do a lot of research on what actual cost is. Then use fax or email to get the best offer before you ever set foot on a dealership floor - Edmunds.com did a good story on that a year or so back.

Koryo - I&#039;ve had good experiences with two rental car purchases, both from Hertz. I purchased a one-year old Toyota Corolla and got 175,000 miles out of it before I sold it to a co-worker. Probably would have lasted even longer if the woman&#039;s teenage daughter hadn&#039;t wrecked it six months later. The other rental purchase was a one-year old Nissan Altima - only kept it for two years due to a divorce but had no problems with it. In both cases I did oil changes about every 3500 miles. Hertz will let you look at all the maintencance records for a vehicle prior to purchase, they also keep records of fender-benders so you can see if a vehicle was crashed, what repairs were made, etc. I&#039;m not so sure about buying from the other car rental companies.
Usually police cars are pretty reliable, most were maintained to a pretty high degree, and the models sold as police sedans are &quot;overbuilt&quot; for long service - there&#039;s a reason you see a lot of taxi companies purchase used police cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A car is a tool, get&#8217;s you from one place to another &#8230; hopefully in one piece. Hard idea to get across, especailly to young folks. I&#8217;ve always paid cash, and except for the rental cars mentioned below, have usually purchased something eight years or older. You can save a tremendous amount of money on insurance, and if your doors get dinged now and then at the grocery store, so what.</p>
<p>I save money changing my oil because I live in a rural area, and don&#8217;t have any of the chain oil change stores nearby. Don&#8217;t have the time to have the car locked up for half a day or so at a shop for an oil change. Autozone takes the used oil and recycles it for free.</p>
<p>If you are determinied to buy new, do a lot of research on what actual cost is. Then use fax or email to get the best offer before you ever set foot on a dealership floor &#8211; Edmunds.com did a good story on that a year or so back.</p>
<p>Koryo &#8211; I&#8217;ve had good experiences with two rental car purchases, both from Hertz. I purchased a one-year old Toyota Corolla and got 175,000 miles out of it before I sold it to a co-worker. Probably would have lasted even longer if the woman&#8217;s teenage daughter hadn&#8217;t wrecked it six months later. The other rental purchase was a one-year old Nissan Altima &#8211; only kept it for two years due to a divorce but had no problems with it. In both cases I did oil changes about every 3500 miles. Hertz will let you look at all the maintencance records for a vehicle prior to purchase, they also keep records of fender-benders so you can see if a vehicle was crashed, what repairs were made, etc. I&#8217;m not so sure about buying from the other car rental companies.<br />
Usually police cars are pretty reliable, most were maintained to a pretty high degree, and the models sold as police sedans are &#8220;overbuilt&#8221; for long service &#8211; there&#8217;s a reason you see a lot of taxi companies purchase used police cars.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for doing some due diligence. 

As for the new point to which I never made any reference to previously, does the school district you&#039;re in not have a school bus system? If so, does it not come anywhere near to where you live? Many children ride the bus from elementary onward, and there appear to be buses for preschool as well. So again, unless your circumstances are very unusual, that is another solution.

Also you could consider arranging a carpool with any parents in your neighborhood or similar whom you know and trust. If you don&#039;t know any people, then you could probably reasonably take action to change that. I&#039;m sure Trent has some articles here regarding building relationships with your local community, as he is very keen on that as a personal value. If he doesn&#039;t have any articles here I&#039;m sure that if you requested it, he would write one or more articles on the matter. And of course you can search for ways to build local/neighborly relationships.

Also, Google searching &quot;carpool&quot; leads to sites that are dedicated to helping people find car pool matches for their needs and locations. That too would aid you. Unless your circumstances are very unusual, you can probably find an arrangement that will benefit you and everyone else involved. 

Also, here&#039;s some food for thought -
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/15/map-shows-how-kids-a.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23935873/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for doing some due diligence. </p>
<p>As for the new point to which I never made any reference to previously, does the school district you&#8217;re in not have a school bus system? If so, does it not come anywhere near to where you live? Many children ride the bus from elementary onward, and there appear to be buses for preschool as well. So again, unless your circumstances are very unusual, that is another solution.</p>
<p>Also you could consider arranging a carpool with any parents in your neighborhood or similar whom you know and trust. If you don&#8217;t know any people, then you could probably reasonably take action to change that. I&#8217;m sure Trent has some articles here regarding building relationships with your local community, as he is very keen on that as a personal value. If he doesn&#8217;t have any articles here I&#8217;m sure that if you requested it, he would write one or more articles on the matter. And of course you can search for ways to build local/neighborly relationships.</p>
<p>Also, Google searching &#8220;carpool&#8221; leads to sites that are dedicated to helping people find car pool matches for their needs and locations. That too would aid you. Unless your circumstances are very unusual, you can probably find an arrangement that will benefit you and everyone else involved. </p>
<p>Also, here&#8217;s some food for thought -<br />
<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/15/map-shows-how-kids-a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/15/map-shows-how-kids-a.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23935873/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23935873/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon said:
&quot;You’ve clearly put little thought into a solution to the problem you present.&quot;

Ok, I&#039;ll play...

&quot;I am a multi-modal commuter. I live approximately 30 miles northeast of downtown Dallas. For the past three years, I have bicycle commuted the first 10 miles to the nearest DART rail station. I store my bike in a locker I rent from DART and ride the train the remaining 20 miles. And, the reverse in the evenings. I was even named the 2007 Clean Air Cyclist of the Year for the Dallas area for finding ways to make multi-modal commuting work. 
It&#039;s a hairy commute to say the least. I ride on a four-lane highway crowded with bumper to bumper traffic. The road has a shoulder for most of my ride so I have a safety buffer. Unfortunately the three miles through Sachse, TX do not. I squeak through next to the curb. I used to pass the traffic on the right, which was (1) dangerous, (2) irritating and (3) illegal. Used to: that is until I was pulled over by a motorcycle cop. So embarassing... Crossing the on/off ramps for the George Bush Freeway are the scariest parts of the ride as traffic is coming from all sorts of directions. But, I try to ride safely and clearly indicate what I&#039;m doing. 
I cool down on the DART train, shower at a health club and start my day energized. I use a backpack to carry my work clothes, my laptop, and clothes for riding home. Luckily, I see the same people most days so I seldom have issues with frustrated drivers. I wear a sign on my backpack which says &quot;100 miles per gallon of Monster.&quot; Which I think is pretty funny! 
Hope you enjoy my story. 
KSDisque, Wylie, TX&quot;
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-27892

Now how do I get my young children to school?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon said:<br />
&#8220;You’ve clearly put little thought into a solution to the problem you present.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, I&#8217;ll play&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I am a multi-modal commuter. I live approximately 30 miles northeast of downtown Dallas. For the past three years, I have bicycle commuted the first 10 miles to the nearest DART rail station. I store my bike in a locker I rent from DART and ride the train the remaining 20 miles. And, the reverse in the evenings. I was even named the 2007 Clean Air Cyclist of the Year for the Dallas area for finding ways to make multi-modal commuting work.<br />
It&#8217;s a hairy commute to say the least. I ride on a four-lane highway crowded with bumper to bumper traffic. The road has a shoulder for most of my ride so I have a safety buffer. Unfortunately the three miles through Sachse, TX do not. I squeak through next to the curb. I used to pass the traffic on the right, which was (1) dangerous, (2) irritating and (3) illegal. Used to: that is until I was pulled over by a motorcycle cop. So embarassing&#8230; Crossing the on/off ramps for the George Bush Freeway are the scariest parts of the ride as traffic is coming from all sorts of directions. But, I try to ride safely and clearly indicate what I&#8217;m doing.<br />
I cool down on the DART train, shower at a health club and start my day energized. I use a backpack to carry my work clothes, my laptop, and clothes for riding home. Luckily, I see the same people most days so I seldom have issues with frustrated drivers. I wear a sign on my backpack which says &#8220;100 miles per gallon of Monster.&#8221; Which I think is pretty funny!<br />
Hope you enjoy my story.<br />
KSDisque, Wylie, TX&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-27892" rel="nofollow">http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-27892</a></p>
<p>Now how do I get my young children to school?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...public transportation is simply not an option for most people in America. Johanna says 20% of Americans have access to public transportation. Well, sure, I have access to it, but the bus simply does not go between my house and my job. Riding my bike is still an option, though.&quot;

I agree with Rick (comment #29).  If the statistics Johanna listed are correct, only 1 in 5 Americans have access to public transportation.  That alone makes access not an option for most Americans.  Access is not defined, therefore it is difficult to ascertain who is considered to have access.

Interestingly, ridership is up substantially in many metropolitan areas, which is causing a space issue on trains and buses.  I attempted to take the train about a year ago and there was literally no room for anyone to get on the train at my particular stop.  We had to wait 10 minutes for the next train.  I can&#039;t even imagine how bad it must be now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;public transportation is simply not an option for most people in America. Johanna says 20% of Americans have access to public transportation. Well, sure, I have access to it, but the bus simply does not go between my house and my job. Riding my bike is still an option, though.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with Rick (comment #29).  If the statistics Johanna listed are correct, only 1 in 5 Americans have access to public transportation.  That alone makes access not an option for most Americans.  Access is not defined, therefore it is difficult to ascertain who is considered to have access.</p>
<p>Interestingly, ridership is up substantially in many metropolitan areas, which is causing a space issue on trains and buses.  I attempted to take the train about a year ago and there was literally no room for anyone to get on the train at my particular stop.  We had to wait 10 minutes for the next train.  I can&#8217;t even imagine how bad it must be now.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Riding a bike to the park and ride facility is not an option since showing up all sweaty in a suit does not really inspire confidence with my clients...&quot;

You&#039;ve clearly put little thought into a solution to the problem you present. A cursory google search for &quot;biking to work&quot; or similar will return results from people who have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Riding a bike to the park and ride facility is not an option since showing up all sweaty in a suit does not really inspire confidence with my clients&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve clearly put little thought into a solution to the problem you present. A cursory google search for &#8220;biking to work&#8221; or similar will return results from people who have.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last car was a 1985 Pontiac 4 door boat, I drove it for 16 years, changing the oil every 3 months or 3,000 miles, I continue to do this with my new car because it keeps everything greased and has saved me trouble when the guy changing the oil says looks like your water pump is leaking, or something else needs attention.  This means I change my oil about 4-5 times a year at a cost of $25 to $30.  These people have never sold me anything but an oil change and wiper blades, I had to go to my regular mechanic for the water pump.  My “new” car is a 2000 Lincoln Continental that was an executive car, new it was $45,000, when I went to the dealership they had just come back from an auction and had 25 cars, different makes/models, that was in November 2001.  I sat in it, drove it, liked it, I went home with a copy of the sticker and called the Credit Union and told them what I found and that it has 25,000 miles on it.  My loan officer called back and said the price was in line and I had no problem getting the loan, let them know.  One week later I drove back to the dealership, it was still there, drove it again and sat down to negotiate, by that I mean I told the sales person I had a price in my head, what do you want for the car, nope not close, try again, I would not go one penny over the price I had decided on and I didn’t tell him the price I had in my head.  I said you have 3 chances and I walk, I don’t have all day and cars are a dime a dozen, just look at your lot and I don’t need a car yet.  I walked away spending shy of $24,000, license, tax, title, additional 5 year 75,000 mile warranty, a 6 changer CD player installed, a years’ worth of oil changes (4 total) and written into the contract was if there was ever any work needed to be done on my car that would last more than one hour they would supply me with a car to drive.  It is top of the line, heated leather seats, the works. It now has 67,000 miles on it and is 8 years old, I plan on driving it at least another 8, it looks brand new and because cars don’t change much from model year to model year, most people are surprised it is that old.  It’s a V8 and according to the computer I get 20.5 miles to the gallon, by the way the loan officer wanted me to negotiate for his next car. I just put on my first set of new tires and a battery, last time I got my oil checked they guy said I had plenty of tread left on the tires, I stretched it a little far but I don’t “Jack Rabbit off the line”, I coast if I see the light is changing or traffic is backed up and rotate them every 6 months. I will never buy a small car, my life is more valuable than $4 a gallon, my friend just traded off her 4-wheel drive truck for a Camry and was hit in the side, needless to say she would have fared much better in her truck, plus the truck was almost paid off, she got nothing for it because it was a big gas hog, dealer quote. Oh what did I do with my old car, I drove it till it dropped and sold it for $65 to the scrap yard, keeping my new car in the garage all winter. Quote from my Dad, don&#039;t drive the wheels off, for every mile you drive, you have one less left in the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last car was a 1985 Pontiac 4 door boat, I drove it for 16 years, changing the oil every 3 months or 3,000 miles, I continue to do this with my new car because it keeps everything greased and has saved me trouble when the guy changing the oil says looks like your water pump is leaking, or something else needs attention.  This means I change my oil about 4-5 times a year at a cost of $25 to $30.  These people have never sold me anything but an oil change and wiper blades, I had to go to my regular mechanic for the water pump.  My “new” car is a 2000 Lincoln Continental that was an executive car, new it was $45,000, when I went to the dealership they had just come back from an auction and had 25 cars, different makes/models, that was in November 2001.  I sat in it, drove it, liked it, I went home with a copy of the sticker and called the Credit Union and told them what I found and that it has 25,000 miles on it.  My loan officer called back and said the price was in line and I had no problem getting the loan, let them know.  One week later I drove back to the dealership, it was still there, drove it again and sat down to negotiate, by that I mean I told the sales person I had a price in my head, what do you want for the car, nope not close, try again, I would not go one penny over the price I had decided on and I didn’t tell him the price I had in my head.  I said you have 3 chances and I walk, I don’t have all day and cars are a dime a dozen, just look at your lot and I don’t need a car yet.  I walked away spending shy of $24,000, license, tax, title, additional 5 year 75,000 mile warranty, a 6 changer CD player installed, a years’ worth of oil changes (4 total) and written into the contract was if there was ever any work needed to be done on my car that would last more than one hour they would supply me with a car to drive.  It is top of the line, heated leather seats, the works. It now has 67,000 miles on it and is 8 years old, I plan on driving it at least another 8, it looks brand new and because cars don’t change much from model year to model year, most people are surprised it is that old.  It’s a V8 and according to the computer I get 20.5 miles to the gallon, by the way the loan officer wanted me to negotiate for his next car. I just put on my first set of new tires and a battery, last time I got my oil checked they guy said I had plenty of tread left on the tires, I stretched it a little far but I don’t “Jack Rabbit off the line”, I coast if I see the light is changing or traffic is backed up and rotate them every 6 months. I will never buy a small car, my life is more valuable than $4 a gallon, my friend just traded off her 4-wheel drive truck for a Camry and was hit in the side, needless to say she would have fared much better in her truck, plus the truck was almost paid off, she got nothing for it because it was a big gas hog, dealer quote. Oh what did I do with my old car, I drove it till it dropped and sold it for $65 to the scrap yard, keeping my new car in the garage all winter. Quote from my Dad, don&#8217;t drive the wheels off, for every mile you drive, you have one less left in the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; That is not an entirely fair assessment of that persons situation. Easy to say just pick up and move or change jobs to access public transporation, but the reality of selling a home (without taking a huge loss) or getting a “better” job may not be so easy and quick to find in some areas.

Well, usually you only need to change one of them. And for the house, there again it&#039;s a choice to own rather than to rent.
Of course there are cases where it&#039;s just not possible, but the statement was &quot;for most people&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; That is not an entirely fair assessment of that persons situation. Easy to say just pick up and move or change jobs to access public transporation, but the reality of selling a home (without taking a huge loss) or getting a “better” job may not be so easy and quick to find in some areas.</p>
<p>Well, usually you only need to change one of them. And for the house, there again it&#8217;s a choice to own rather than to rent.<br />
Of course there are cases where it&#8217;s just not possible, but the statement was &#8220;for most people&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shevy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shevy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Johanna

While I can&#039;t tell you about a major metropolitan area with no transit-accessible programming jobs, I did once work in a large industrial park near an international airport that had no transit anywhere near it.  You had to have a car to get to work and companies in the area even included that fact in job ads.

And, no, I couldn&#039;t have obtained another job back then.  I was pregnant and this was at a time when you could be fired for being pregnant.  I needed to get a minimum of 26 weeks in so I could qualify for maternity benefits.

Sometimes people have personsal circumstances that tie them to certain places or jobs for a period of time.  What about a person with fantastic health benefits and a critically ill family member?  He or she wouldn&#039;t quit that job just to be able to use public transit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Johanna</p>
<p>While I can&#8217;t tell you about a major metropolitan area with no transit-accessible programming jobs, I did once work in a large industrial park near an international airport that had no transit anywhere near it.  You had to have a car to get to work and companies in the area even included that fact in job ads.</p>
<p>And, no, I couldn&#8217;t have obtained another job back then.  I was pregnant and this was at a time when you could be fired for being pregnant.  I needed to get a minimum of 26 weeks in so I could qualify for maternity benefits.</p>
<p>Sometimes people have personsal circumstances that tie them to certain places or jobs for a period of time.  What about a person with fantastic health benefits and a critically ill family member?  He or she wouldn&#8217;t quit that job just to be able to use public transit!</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We sold our 18-year-old truck (original owners) last year so we could buy a more fuel efficient car.  We did some research, including carfax, and bought a  &quot;salvaged&quot; 2006 Honda CRV from a salvage repair company. The car only had 2000 miles on it (it was apparently bought in late November and in a wreck on New year&#039;s Eve). The car was certified by the California Highway Patrol after repairs. We have been driving it since then with no problems whatsover! It has been a very cost efficient purchase for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We sold our 18-year-old truck (original owners) last year so we could buy a more fuel efficient car.  We did some research, including carfax, and bought a  &#8220;salvaged&#8221; 2006 Honda CRV from a salvage repair company. The car only had 2000 miles on it (it was apparently bought in late November and in a wreck on New year&#8217;s Eve). The car was certified by the California Highway Patrol after repairs. We have been driving it since then with no problems whatsover! It has been a very cost efficient purchase for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johanna said:
&quot;But I was responding to Trent’s statement that without cars, “almost every car owner would see a vast decrease in earnings potential.” Which is false, because anyone with access to public transportation can commute, if not necessarily to their present job, at least to *a* job.&quot;

It is not entirely false.  He qualified it with &quot;almost&quot; meaning it does not apply to everyone.  Saying &quot;anyone with access to public transportation can commute&quot; is over-inclusive.  Without a clear definition of what &quot;access&quot; means, it is difficult to quantify who this even affects.  Technically, I have access if I drive 10 miles to a park and ride facility.  This increases my commute time from 40 minutes to over an hour.

Changing jobs would not make a bit of difference as the train stops outside my office.  Changing houses might be a viable option if I didn&#039;t have to take a hit due to a soft market and I was willing to spend $100,000 more to get into an equivalent house closer to the rail line.  I would still need a car to get to the park and ride facility and my car would have to sit outside and be exposed to the elements.

Riding a bike to the park and ride facility is not an option since showing up all sweaty in a suit does not really inspire confidence with my clients.  That alone may produce a vast decrease in my earnings potential.

Certainly, this is the exception and there are people who could easily make public transporation work, but claiming &quot;anyone&quot; can make that shift and implying that it is an easy decision is grossly over-simplified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna said:<br />
&#8220;But I was responding to Trent’s statement that without cars, “almost every car owner would see a vast decrease in earnings potential.” Which is false, because anyone with access to public transportation can commute, if not necessarily to their present job, at least to *a* job.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not entirely false.  He qualified it with &#8220;almost&#8221; meaning it does not apply to everyone.  Saying &#8220;anyone with access to public transportation can commute&#8221; is over-inclusive.  Without a clear definition of what &#8220;access&#8221; means, it is difficult to quantify who this even affects.  Technically, I have access if I drive 10 miles to a park and ride facility.  This increases my commute time from 40 minutes to over an hour.</p>
<p>Changing jobs would not make a bit of difference as the train stops outside my office.  Changing houses might be a viable option if I didn&#8217;t have to take a hit due to a soft market and I was willing to spend $100,000 more to get into an equivalent house closer to the rail line.  I would still need a car to get to the park and ride facility and my car would have to sit outside and be exposed to the elements.</p>
<p>Riding a bike to the park and ride facility is not an option since showing up all sweaty in a suit does not really inspire confidence with my clients.  That alone may produce a vast decrease in my earnings potential.</p>
<p>Certainly, this is the exception and there are people who could easily make public transporation work, but claiming &#8220;anyone&#8221; can make that shift and implying that it is an easy decision is grossly over-simplified.</p>
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		<title>By: ACaminante</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACaminante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How do you properly dispose of used oil and transmission fluid when you change it at home?&quot;

Most auto parts stores (and some mechanics, junk yards and haz mats) will let you drop off used oil for free. Buy an oil drain pan with a lid ($5), fill it up, and take it with you the next time you go by the auto parts store. 

RE: it’s cheaper/faster to pay someone to change your oil instead of doing it yourself

I find those 15-min oil change places usually completely overfill my oil, which can damage your car. After you learn how to change your own oil, it usually takes about a half hour. Most of the time spent changing your own oil is waiting for the oil to drain into the pan, so while you’re waiting you can clean the inside of your car, clean the air filter, and do other chores and maintenance. All you need is the oil, the oil filter, a drain pan, rags, a socket wrench, and an oil filter wrench (another $5). Depending how high your car is off the ground and where the oil drain plug is located, you might need to buy a jack and stands or drive-up ramps. 

If changing the oil really does only save you a measly $5 instead of the $20 or $30 Trent suggested, then you just saved $5 for about 15 extra minutes of your time. That’s $20 an hour. I doubt you can recoup that money while waiting in Jiffy Lube, reading back issues of Time magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How do you properly dispose of used oil and transmission fluid when you change it at home?&#8221;</p>
<p>Most auto parts stores (and some mechanics, junk yards and haz mats) will let you drop off used oil for free. Buy an oil drain pan with a lid ($5), fill it up, and take it with you the next time you go by the auto parts store. </p>
<p>RE: it’s cheaper/faster to pay someone to change your oil instead of doing it yourself</p>
<p>I find those 15-min oil change places usually completely overfill my oil, which can damage your car. After you learn how to change your own oil, it usually takes about a half hour. Most of the time spent changing your own oil is waiting for the oil to drain into the pan, so while you’re waiting you can clean the inside of your car, clean the air filter, and do other chores and maintenance. All you need is the oil, the oil filter, a drain pan, rags, a socket wrench, and an oil filter wrench (another $5). Depending how high your car is off the ground and where the oil drain plug is located, you might need to buy a jack and stands or drive-up ramps. </p>
<p>If changing the oil really does only save you a measly $5 instead of the $20 or $30 Trent suggested, then you just saved $5 for about 15 extra minutes of your time. That’s $20 an hour. I doubt you can recoup that money while waiting in Jiffy Lube, reading back issues of Time magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been burned with used cars I always buy a new &quot;stripped down&quot; model.  I have the kind of windows that you have to actually roll down and manual locks.  My figuring is that reaching over to lock and unlock doors is good exercise, and not overly time consuming in a Toyota Corolla.  There are times that I think it might be nice to have electronic everything but then I think about how much it costs to fix if it breaks and that a car really is only to get from point A to point B.
A friend of mine has a stripped down Toyota like mine and one of her daughter&#039;s friends didn&#039;t know how to &quot;roll&quot; a window down--she hadn&#039;t ever seen anything like that before. 
It is my experience that Consumer Reports does not view Volkswagons is a favorable light.  It is also my experience that Consumer Reports focuses more on the short term reliability rather than the long term.  I used to love Consumer Reports but not so much anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been burned with used cars I always buy a new &#8220;stripped down&#8221; model.  I have the kind of windows that you have to actually roll down and manual locks.  My figuring is that reaching over to lock and unlock doors is good exercise, and not overly time consuming in a Toyota Corolla.  There are times that I think it might be nice to have electronic everything but then I think about how much it costs to fix if it breaks and that a car really is only to get from point A to point B.<br />
A friend of mine has a stripped down Toyota like mine and one of her daughter&#8217;s friends didn&#8217;t know how to &#8220;roll&#8221; a window down&#8211;she hadn&#8217;t ever seen anything like that before.<br />
It is my experience that Consumer Reports does not view Volkswagons is a favorable light.  It is also my experience that Consumer Reports focuses more on the short term reliability rather than the long term.  I used to love Consumer Reports but not so much anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shevy,

If there is a metropolitan area that lacks any transit-accessible programming jobs, I&#039;d like to know where it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shevy,</p>
<p>If there is a metropolitan area that lacks any transit-accessible programming jobs, I&#8217;d like to know where it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If one model gets 18 miles per gallon and another car gets 28 miles per gallon,&quot;

Are those really good numbers to aim for? The 14 year old bottom of the range Ford I just got rid of got 30-35 miles per (British) gallon. My parents two year old diesel Renault gets 50+ mpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If one model gets 18 miles per gallon and another car gets 28 miles per gallon,&#8221;</p>
<p>Are those really good numbers to aim for? The 14 year old bottom of the range Ford I just got rid of got 30-35 miles per (British) gallon. My parents two year old diesel Renault gets 50+ mpg</p>
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		<title>By: KoryO</title>
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		<dc:creator>KoryO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shevy, I&#039;m glad you were lucky with your cars.  

I still know three people who have had nothing but repair after repair with their old rental/police cars.  Maybe a highway patrol car, which is what you sound like you got, is different.  City police cars.....no way, Jose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shevy, I&#8217;m glad you were lucky with your cars.  </p>
<p>I still know three people who have had nothing but repair after repair with their old rental/police cars.  Maybe a highway patrol car, which is what you sound like you got, is different.  City police cars&#8230;..no way, Jose.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would never use the term &#039;investment&#039; and &#039;car&#039; together. Although I&#039;m sure for the uber-rich they often can be! Thus most people purchase a car, which is an expense, not investment.

I found your comment regarding brand reliability very interesting - Honda, Toyota &amp; VW. Japanese cars are certainly reknowned for their reliability. Yet I an amazed VW scored poorly! It makes me wonder where that leaves the mass market brands, including Ford that was mentioned shortly after? Or maybe something like a Ford scores well on reliability but not so well on other important factors such as safety and quality of build. Having had one Ford and three VW&#039;s so far, one is a much more enjoyable and high quality car brand to drive than the other! 

Ultimately one looks at a car satisfying a whole host of criteria. Safety is high up my list, especially now that I have children.

German &amp; Italian cars are reknowned for quality (unlike Japanese brands) and thus VW, Audi &amp; BMW are my brands of choice for cars. But not cheap admittedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would never use the term &#8216;investment&#8217; and &#8216;car&#8217; together. Although I&#8217;m sure for the uber-rich they often can be! Thus most people purchase a car, which is an expense, not investment.</p>
<p>I found your comment regarding brand reliability very interesting &#8211; Honda, Toyota &amp; VW. Japanese cars are certainly reknowned for their reliability. Yet I an amazed VW scored poorly! It makes me wonder where that leaves the mass market brands, including Ford that was mentioned shortly after? Or maybe something like a Ford scores well on reliability but not so well on other important factors such as safety and quality of build. Having had one Ford and three VW&#8217;s so far, one is a much more enjoyable and high quality car brand to drive than the other! </p>
<p>Ultimately one looks at a car satisfying a whole host of criteria. Safety is high up my list, especially now that I have children.</p>
<p>German &amp; Italian cars are reknowned for quality (unlike Japanese brands) and thus VW, Audi &amp; BMW are my brands of choice for cars. But not cheap admittedly.</p>
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