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	<title>Comments on: Review: Green with Envy</title>
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		<title>By: deb</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/06/27/review-green-with-envy/comment-page-1/#comment-339065</link>
		<dc:creator>deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that the writer writes that congresspeople make next to nothing.  So, I immediately did a Google search &amp; found that they make $165,000 per year!  I&#039;m sorry, that is a lot more than what I would ever consider as nothing.  There is a lot you could do with that money and still look like you have money without spending like keeping up with the joneses.  I do thank you for this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that the writer writes that congresspeople make next to nothing.  So, I immediately did a Google search &amp; found that they make $165,000 per year!  I&#8217;m sorry, that is a lot more than what I would ever consider as nothing.  There is a lot you could do with that money and still look like you have money without spending like keeping up with the joneses.  I do thank you for this article.</p>
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		<title>By: karishma</title>
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		<dc:creator>karishma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post reminded me of a conversation I had with my husband a few months ago.

He asked if we were doing something wrong because it seemed like all our friends and colleagues had more money than us.  I pointed out that we were the only one in our circle with a kid and we&#039;re basically living on one income (I only work part-time so I can stay home with our son).

Fast forward to a month or so later when we got really serious about the house buying prospect and started crunching the numbers to see how much we had saved for a down payment.  After seeing the figures, he was like, &quot;well that explains why we have so much less spending money - all our money is in that savings account!.&quot;  

As it is, we closed on our (gorgeous, large enough, and great value) house today, and we still have way more than a year&#039;s worth of mortgage payments in the bank as a cushion should he lose his job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post reminded me of a conversation I had with my husband a few months ago.</p>
<p>He asked if we were doing something wrong because it seemed like all our friends and colleagues had more money than us.  I pointed out that we were the only one in our circle with a kid and we&#8217;re basically living on one income (I only work part-time so I can stay home with our son).</p>
<p>Fast forward to a month or so later when we got really serious about the house buying prospect and started crunching the numbers to see how much we had saved for a down payment.  After seeing the figures, he was like, &#8220;well that explains why we have so much less spending money &#8211; all our money is in that savings account!.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As it is, we closed on our (gorgeous, large enough, and great value) house today, and we still have way more than a year&#8217;s worth of mortgage payments in the bank as a cushion should he lose his job.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/06/27/review-green-with-envy/comment-page-1/#comment-317053</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to wonder how much of this is blatant jealousy and the more sinister subconscious feeling of comparing oneself to others and seeing yourself as coming up short. I remember a job I had once that paid nil yet all my coworkers were coming in in new clothes every week. Then one day it dawned on me that these dummies were charging away their futures just to look hot now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder how much of this is blatant jealousy and the more sinister subconscious feeling of comparing oneself to others and seeing yourself as coming up short. I remember a job I had once that paid nil yet all my coworkers were coming in in new clothes every week. Then one day it dawned on me that these dummies were charging away their futures just to look hot now.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family drove down the New Jersey Shore this weekend and we went past a lot of HUGE houses with Lexuses, BMWs, and Mercedes in the driveways.  When my brother commented that the people must be rich, I mentioned that they might just be in lots and lots of debt!  We certainly looked at all those houses a little differently after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family drove down the New Jersey Shore this weekend and we went past a lot of HUGE houses with Lexuses, BMWs, and Mercedes in the driveways.  When my brother commented that the people must be rich, I mentioned that they might just be in lots and lots of debt!  We certainly looked at all those houses a little differently after that.</p>
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		<title>By: Outsaving the Joneses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outsaving the Joneses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. This post has generated some, uh, interesting comments. I&#039;m with the others who disagree that we are all jealous and contend that smugness is no better than social striving...I&#039;d say it&#039;s worse, actually.

I&#039;m not jealous of my friends and/or family members who have plasma TVs and Lexus SUVs. Those are their choices, and those things flat out don&#039;t interest me. Some of those same people act like my husband and I are well off because we&#039;ve taken a couple of big trips abroad. We aren&#039;t rich in the least, but we don&#039;t have a big house payment, and we don&#039;t buy new cars every two years or the latest electronics. We like to spend our money traveling. Why would I be jealous when we&#039;re doing the things that matter most to us? 

I think you have to be a bit cold to feel smug or to feel any kind of joy from someone else&#039;s financial distress. But then, being vengeful isn&#039;t really my thing. You might feel pretty bad for rejoicing in someone else&#039;s misfortune if you knew the whole story, and we never know what happens in someone else&#039;s house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. This post has generated some, uh, interesting comments. I&#8217;m with the others who disagree that we are all jealous and contend that smugness is no better than social striving&#8230;I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s worse, actually.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not jealous of my friends and/or family members who have plasma TVs and Lexus SUVs. Those are their choices, and those things flat out don&#8217;t interest me. Some of those same people act like my husband and I are well off because we&#8217;ve taken a couple of big trips abroad. We aren&#8217;t rich in the least, but we don&#8217;t have a big house payment, and we don&#8217;t buy new cars every two years or the latest electronics. We like to spend our money traveling. Why would I be jealous when we&#8217;re doing the things that matter most to us? </p>
<p>I think you have to be a bit cold to feel smug or to feel any kind of joy from someone else&#8217;s financial distress. But then, being vengeful isn&#8217;t really my thing. You might feel pretty bad for rejoicing in someone else&#8217;s misfortune if you knew the whole story, and we never know what happens in someone else&#8217;s house.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Sarah at post #12. Replacing social striving with smugness doesn&#039;t change the fact that you&#039;re still focusing on what OTHER people have or don&#039;t have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Sarah at post #12. Replacing social striving with smugness doesn&#8217;t change the fact that you&#8217;re still focusing on what OTHER people have or don&#8217;t have.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in an &quot;ending&quot; neighborhood as opposed to a &quot;starting,&quot; where mostly retired people moved to downsize from their &quot;4-bedroom with kids still at home&quot; house.

It&#039;s cheap and easy - none of the retirees care about what they drive or wear - they&#039;ve already had a successful life.

I grew up in a house almost 4x the size of what I now live in with my family of 4.

I almost wanted to cry when reviewing my late mother&#039;s records on what &quot;the big house&quot; cost her in terms of her income and savings - it would have been nice to have those funds when she got sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in an &#8220;ending&#8221; neighborhood as opposed to a &#8220;starting,&#8221; where mostly retired people moved to downsize from their &#8220;4-bedroom with kids still at home&#8221; house.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s cheap and easy &#8211; none of the retirees care about what they drive or wear &#8211; they&#8217;ve already had a successful life.</p>
<p>I grew up in a house almost 4x the size of what I now live in with my family of 4.</p>
<p>I almost wanted to cry when reviewing my late mother&#8217;s records on what &#8220;the big house&#8221; cost her in terms of her income and savings &#8211; it would have been nice to have those funds when she got sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of something I read in one of David Bach&#039;s books which was &quot;Big hats, no cattle.&quot;   For some reason that phrase really clicked with me.   I&#039;ve known two men that were wealthy.  Not Bill Gates type of wealthy but very very wealthy by anyone&#039;s standards and both earned it on their own by working and saving.   If you met both you&#039;d just think average middle class men.  Both fit the Millionaire Next Door to a tee.   One drove an older model station wagon, both wore nice off the rack suits to work and lived in average sized upper middle class home for someone with kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of something I read in one of David Bach&#8217;s books which was &#8220;Big hats, no cattle.&#8221;   For some reason that phrase really clicked with me.   I&#8217;ve known two men that were wealthy.  Not Bill Gates type of wealthy but very very wealthy by anyone&#8217;s standards and both earned it on their own by working and saving.   If you met both you&#8217;d just think average middle class men.  Both fit the Millionaire Next Door to a tee.   One drove an older model station wagon, both wore nice off the rack suits to work and lived in average sized upper middle class home for someone with kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the general public often has vastly incorrect perceptions as to the earnings of particular job titles&quot;

I can attest to this one because my husband is a lawyer, which &quot;everyone knows&quot; = rich.  Trouble is, there are articles every year like &quot;Top NY Firms Now Starting New Associates at $120K&quot; or whatever.  The top percentage (5%, maybe) of law school grads get the big-firm-6-figure jobs (and usually check their life at the door). The rest vary tremendously, depending on location, public or private practice, size of firm, and quality of life.  My husband&#039;s first job out of what is considered a very good law school paid 35K (1996).

There isn&#039;t really any topping out, so if they&#039;re any good, most lawyers will get to a good living sooner or later, but the title does *not* mean instant money (as many find out after borrowing heavily for it - but that&#039;s another rant).  

Actual comment from co-worker (we were both assistants at one of the big firms) right after I got married: &quot;What are you doing still working?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the general public often has vastly incorrect perceptions as to the earnings of particular job titles&#8221;</p>
<p>I can attest to this one because my husband is a lawyer, which &#8220;everyone knows&#8221; = rich.  Trouble is, there are articles every year like &#8220;Top NY Firms Now Starting New Associates at $120K&#8221; or whatever.  The top percentage (5%, maybe) of law school grads get the big-firm-6-figure jobs (and usually check their life at the door). The rest vary tremendously, depending on location, public or private practice, size of firm, and quality of life.  My husband&#8217;s first job out of what is considered a very good law school paid 35K (1996).</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t really any topping out, so if they&#8217;re any good, most lawyers will get to a good living sooner or later, but the title does *not* mean instant money (as many find out after borrowing heavily for it &#8211; but that&#8217;s another rant).  </p>
<p>Actual comment from co-worker (we were both assistants at one of the big firms) right after I got married: &#8220;What are you doing still working?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret (Red Meg)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret (Red Meg)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole &quot;perception of rich&quot; thing can be pretty awkward.  Recently I had to replace the fence between my house and the one next door.  Standard practice (supported by state law) is for neighbors to split the cost of replacing a shared fence.  It was over 20 years old, rotten, and only standing up because it was leaning against my chimney.  Yet the neighbors balked and whined at the prospect of paying their half, because we were supposedly &quot;rich.&quot;  The wife said this directly to my face.  

I&#039;m not sure where that came from.  We DO have a bigger house-- six bedrooms-- because we have a substially larger family-- eight children, hopefully with more to come.  My car is a seven-year-old passenger van with over 100K miles on it.  My husband&#039;s car is newer, but only because his 70K mile car was totalled by a drunk one night while parked at the curb.  We replaced it with another used car.  We take one vacation a year, which consists of buying plane tickets (the big expense) and then relying on family hospitality for a place to sleep.  The kids go to public school.  Meanwhile the neighbors have one work-horse car parked in their driveway, and one nice-looking luxury car.  No idea what they do about vacations.  Yet the neighbors decided we were &quot;rich&quot; so they shouldn&#039;t have to pay for the fence we shared...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole &#8220;perception of rich&#8221; thing can be pretty awkward.  Recently I had to replace the fence between my house and the one next door.  Standard practice (supported by state law) is for neighbors to split the cost of replacing a shared fence.  It was over 20 years old, rotten, and only standing up because it was leaning against my chimney.  Yet the neighbors balked and whined at the prospect of paying their half, because we were supposedly &#8220;rich.&#8221;  The wife said this directly to my face.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where that came from.  We DO have a bigger house&#8211; six bedrooms&#8211; because we have a substially larger family&#8211; eight children, hopefully with more to come.  My car is a seven-year-old passenger van with over 100K miles on it.  My husband&#8217;s car is newer, but only because his 70K mile car was totalled by a drunk one night while parked at the curb.  We replaced it with another used car.  We take one vacation a year, which consists of buying plane tickets (the big expense) and then relying on family hospitality for a place to sleep.  The kids go to public school.  Meanwhile the neighbors have one work-horse car parked in their driveway, and one nice-looking luxury car.  No idea what they do about vacations.  Yet the neighbors decided we were &#8220;rich&#8221; so they shouldn&#8217;t have to pay for the fence we shared&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of things askew in the world view of comparison...  
* Our society = the rich and famous are valued more than those that really contribute art, education, and valuable knowledge;
* the great advertising machine (more, more, more)has ever more input into children&#039;s lives and continues to hold sway over people&#039;s judgment; 
* Apparently shallow individual values = I lie to myself and others when I try to put forth an image of something I&#039;m not - ie, rich;  
* self-esteem based upon your appearance, not your contribution to the greater good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of things askew in the world view of comparison&#8230;<br />
* Our society = the rich and famous are valued more than those that really contribute art, education, and valuable knowledge;<br />
* the great advertising machine (more, more, more)has ever more input into children&#8217;s lives and continues to hold sway over people&#8217;s judgment;<br />
* Apparently shallow individual values = I lie to myself and others when I try to put forth an image of something I&#8217;m not &#8211; ie, rich;<br />
* self-esteem based upon your appearance, not your contribution to the greater good.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry--Sarah&#039;s comment is #12.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8211;Sarah&#8217;s comment is #12.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh.  This post and a lot of the comments make me feel like taking my name off this blog right now.  I&#039;ve got some news for those of you who are &quot;secretly very pleased&quot; that some of your fellow humans are stuggling, and I see I&#039;m not the only person who feels this way--Sarah in comment #23 proves it.  This statement from the introduction is NOT true of me:
&quot;We’re all jealous of the stuff that other people have...&quot;
Speak for yourself, Trent.  I&#039;m with you, Sarah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh.  This post and a lot of the comments make me feel like taking my name off this blog right now.  I&#8217;ve got some news for those of you who are &#8220;secretly very pleased&#8221; that some of your fellow humans are stuggling, and I see I&#8217;m not the only person who feels this way&#8211;Sarah in comment #23 proves it.  This statement from the introduction is NOT true of me:<br />
&#8220;We’re all jealous of the stuff that other people have&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Speak for yourself, Trent.  I&#8217;m with you, Sarah.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son is coming home from New Jersey and moving in to catch up on some credit card bills. He told us that he was $17,000 in debt. Found out 2 days ago, he is on his way now, that is over $50,000. Have been getting concerned calls that he has been looing at new Jeeps. First time in my life I have truly been angry with him. He has a cousin that he has always ridulculed for being an idiot in everything in life including debt and having his dad bale him out. I want to call him MiJak when he walks in the door. Wonder if that would be appropriate? Then read this first thing before he will be checking in. Have talked with his dad, we agree this is the best rates he could get anywhere, how his &quot;rent&quot; will be budgeting research as you Trent, he is 24. Now have decided for every dollar we spend on his debt to help him out he will need to explain every one of them and where our money is being wasted with no pleasure for us except he is smart enough to finally say, &quot;I need help!&quot; Looking forward to helping him as he has done so many self sacrificing great things in his life for a young man. But he has destroyed enough with debt and it is time to STOP and beware of what &quot;Green With Envy&quot; is all about. Great timing. He has always been to busy to read the tips from the Simple Dollar. Now I don&#039;t think he can afford not to with not only money but relationships. We are all worried as a family including his aunt that follows what he has done over and over. Today gave us a tactful way to say &quot;let&#039;s talk&quot;. Was so mad could have ruined a relationship. His stupidity of &quot;have it all&quot; could have just as well. Time to regroup as a family and help him to not be Green With Envy and really enjoy the good things in life again. Such as not being embarrassed to say I blew it and need help with this money addiction. Makes us feel good that is willing to let us help in this major life improvement. He is truly a wonderful son and worth all the time and money involved but we all need to make this work not only financially but emotionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son is coming home from New Jersey and moving in to catch up on some credit card bills. He told us that he was $17,000 in debt. Found out 2 days ago, he is on his way now, that is over $50,000. Have been getting concerned calls that he has been looing at new Jeeps. First time in my life I have truly been angry with him. He has a cousin that he has always ridulculed for being an idiot in everything in life including debt and having his dad bale him out. I want to call him MiJak when he walks in the door. Wonder if that would be appropriate? Then read this first thing before he will be checking in. Have talked with his dad, we agree this is the best rates he could get anywhere, how his &#8220;rent&#8221; will be budgeting research as you Trent, he is 24. Now have decided for every dollar we spend on his debt to help him out he will need to explain every one of them and where our money is being wasted with no pleasure for us except he is smart enough to finally say, &#8220;I need help!&#8221; Looking forward to helping him as he has done so many self sacrificing great things in his life for a young man. But he has destroyed enough with debt and it is time to STOP and beware of what &#8220;Green With Envy&#8221; is all about. Great timing. He has always been to busy to read the tips from the Simple Dollar. Now I don&#8217;t think he can afford not to with not only money but relationships. We are all worried as a family including his aunt that follows what he has done over and over. Today gave us a tactful way to say &#8220;let&#8217;s talk&#8221;. Was so mad could have ruined a relationship. His stupidity of &#8220;have it all&#8221; could have just as well. Time to regroup as a family and help him to not be Green With Envy and really enjoy the good things in life again. Such as not being embarrassed to say I blew it and need help with this money addiction. Makes us feel good that is willing to let us help in this major life improvement. He is truly a wonderful son and worth all the time and money involved but we all need to make this work not only financially but emotionally.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit to being as pleased as punch when I found out one particular couple in my street were having financial problems. I had made a bid for a house which was accepted. I had already done building and pest inspections when my lawyer rang to let me know that I had been gazumped!!! Another couple had offered $5000 more and the owner had signed with them without even letting me know there was another offer or giving me the chance to match it. Not only that, the couple who gazumped me did it knowing I had already put in a bid for the house and been accepted (we were slightly accquainted). In the end I ended up buying a better house in the same street (larger, brick instead of weatherboard, with off street parking). The other couple spent a lot of money doing up the house and had two brand new cars, along with every electronic toy you could think of. Two years later they had to sell the house due to bankruptcy. 

I&#039;m not normally a vindictive person but I was secretly very pleased that they had run into financial difficulty. I had to pay more for the other house than I had originally budgeted and spent weekends doing most of the work on it myself because I didn&#039;t have enough to do anything more than basic repairs.

Now I&#039;ve got that off my chest, I too have done cleaning for people who looked like they had it all from the outside but were spending sleepless nights dodging creditors. One of the best things about frugality is being able to sleep at night. All I have to do now is make sure I don&#039;t become too smug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit to being as pleased as punch when I found out one particular couple in my street were having financial problems. I had made a bid for a house which was accepted. I had already done building and pest inspections when my lawyer rang to let me know that I had been gazumped!!! Another couple had offered $5000 more and the owner had signed with them without even letting me know there was another offer or giving me the chance to match it. Not only that, the couple who gazumped me did it knowing I had already put in a bid for the house and been accepted (we were slightly accquainted). In the end I ended up buying a better house in the same street (larger, brick instead of weatherboard, with off street parking). The other couple spent a lot of money doing up the house and had two brand new cars, along with every electronic toy you could think of. Two years later they had to sell the house due to bankruptcy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not normally a vindictive person but I was secretly very pleased that they had run into financial difficulty. I had to pay more for the other house than I had originally budgeted and spent weekends doing most of the work on it myself because I didn&#8217;t have enough to do anything more than basic repairs.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ve got that off my chest, I too have done cleaning for people who looked like they had it all from the outside but were spending sleepless nights dodging creditors. One of the best things about frugality is being able to sleep at night. All I have to do now is make sure I don&#8217;t become too smug.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when I was working in a &quot;better&quot; job and making far more money, I found it very easy to spend practically everything I earned. Part of it was associating with others who were doing as well as I did, so we in effect set the standard for our lifestyles based upon a lot of spending that now seems very fivolous. But while I can say that this influenced me, ultimately it was my own decisions on spending that left me with relatively little going into savings and debts gradually building up.

Today I earn about half of what I did previously, but I am saving far, far more money. On top of that, I find it much easier to resist spending on luxuries. I am sure the fact that the area I am living in is much more modest. And I&#039;m sure the fact that many of the people I spend time with aren&#039;t spending money hand over fist helps, but again the most fundamental change is in me, and my views on what is a &quot;want&quot; and what is a &quot;need&quot;.

I&#039;m sure this book is very good at pointing out how the people around us can influence our habits to some degree, but we have to remember that ultimately we are still the ones responsible for our decisions on when to buy and when to put off a purchase, or how much to put towards savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when I was working in a &#8220;better&#8221; job and making far more money, I found it very easy to spend practically everything I earned. Part of it was associating with others who were doing as well as I did, so we in effect set the standard for our lifestyles based upon a lot of spending that now seems very fivolous. But while I can say that this influenced me, ultimately it was my own decisions on spending that left me with relatively little going into savings and debts gradually building up.</p>
<p>Today I earn about half of what I did previously, but I am saving far, far more money. On top of that, I find it much easier to resist spending on luxuries. I am sure the fact that the area I am living in is much more modest. And I&#8217;m sure the fact that many of the people I spend time with aren&#8217;t spending money hand over fist helps, but again the most fundamental change is in me, and my views on what is a &#8220;want&#8221; and what is a &#8220;need&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure this book is very good at pointing out how the people around us can influence our habits to some degree, but we have to remember that ultimately we are still the ones responsible for our decisions on when to buy and when to put off a purchase, or how much to put towards savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many years ago, I cleaned homes for a living. This was in the 1980&quot;s when buying the lastest gadget was just taking hold. I could see then that although my clients had nice homes, cars, clothes and even a housekeeper, they were eating pea soup at night to make ends meet. I had several people who would ask me to &quot;hold&quot; their check for a week. Or I would take it to the bank and it would bounce when I cashed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago, I cleaned homes for a living. This was in the 1980&#8243;s when buying the lastest gadget was just taking hold. I could see then that although my clients had nice homes, cars, clothes and even a housekeeper, they were eating pea soup at night to make ends meet. I had several people who would ask me to &#8220;hold&#8221; their check for a week. Or I would take it to the bank and it would bounce when I cashed it.</p>
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		<title>By: getagrip</title>
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		<dc:creator>getagrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we can carry this idea that neighbors who buy things we want but feel we can&#039;t afford are digging themselves into some pit of debt a bit too far.  It smacks of snobbishness of the other kind (The Gleason&#039;s got a new Mercedes!  Well, they can&#039;t possibly afford that.  They simply *must* be drowning in debt!). 

Not everyone who owns a BMW or a Lexus is leasing it or even has a car payment.  Not everyone who buys a great house is one paycheck away from losing it all.  Conversely not every plumber or electrician driving a beat up truck is a closet millionaire (I would think most probably can&#039;t afford a new truck).  

I think there are plenty of folks who do okay even though they don&#039;t live particularly frugally and get along just fine while being Average Accumulators of Wealth.  Will they get rich or reach financial independence over the long haul?  Probably not, though they&#039;ll manage.  Will they likely always be carrying some amount of debt?  Yeah, but never really enough for it to become an overriding burden in their lives.   Could they face serious finacial consequenses if something happens (job loss, hospitalization, etc.)?  Sure, but then couldn&#039;t many of us, despite our plans?  

I place the bulk of my neighbors in that category, average wealth accumulators most of their lives carrying some credit card debt, possibly a car loan or two, and their mortgages, who will either get the frugal bug in their 50&#039;s or with the kids out of the house really be able to stash the cash for the next decade or so as they feel retirement looming.  They may need to work until they&#039;re in their late 60&#039;s or early 70&#039;s, but more than likely the final sprint in the end will give them enough that they&#039;ll be able to muddle through at some happy medium of retirement.

I think the biggest issue is, and always has been, focusing on defining what you want and your overall path to get there.  If the neighbors grass is greener, you need to be honest with yourself if it&#039;s because you&#039;ve been spending most of your time checking them all out rather than tending to your own lawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can carry this idea that neighbors who buy things we want but feel we can&#8217;t afford are digging themselves into some pit of debt a bit too far.  It smacks of snobbishness of the other kind (The Gleason&#8217;s got a new Mercedes!  Well, they can&#8217;t possibly afford that.  They simply *must* be drowning in debt!). </p>
<p>Not everyone who owns a BMW or a Lexus is leasing it or even has a car payment.  Not everyone who buys a great house is one paycheck away from losing it all.  Conversely not every plumber or electrician driving a beat up truck is a closet millionaire (I would think most probably can&#8217;t afford a new truck).  </p>
<p>I think there are plenty of folks who do okay even though they don&#8217;t live particularly frugally and get along just fine while being Average Accumulators of Wealth.  Will they get rich or reach financial independence over the long haul?  Probably not, though they&#8217;ll manage.  Will they likely always be carrying some amount of debt?  Yeah, but never really enough for it to become an overriding burden in their lives.   Could they face serious finacial consequenses if something happens (job loss, hospitalization, etc.)?  Sure, but then couldn&#8217;t many of us, despite our plans?  </p>
<p>I place the bulk of my neighbors in that category, average wealth accumulators most of their lives carrying some credit card debt, possibly a car loan or two, and their mortgages, who will either get the frugal bug in their 50&#8217;s or with the kids out of the house really be able to stash the cash for the next decade or so as they feel retirement looming.  They may need to work until they&#8217;re in their late 60&#8217;s or early 70&#8217;s, but more than likely the final sprint in the end will give them enough that they&#8217;ll be able to muddle through at some happy medium of retirement.</p>
<p>I think the biggest issue is, and always has been, focusing on defining what you want and your overall path to get there.  If the neighbors grass is greener, you need to be honest with yourself if it&#8217;s because you&#8217;ve been spending most of your time checking them all out rather than tending to your own lawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not true that &quot;it’s far better to live in the best house on a low income street than the worst house on a high income street.&quot; It is only true if you have the psychology to keep up with the Joneses.

On the other hand, if you know that buying the worst house on an expensive block is much better for your equity, you&#039;ll be riding the added value all the way to the bank, if you are content with driving your 10 year-old beat up pick-up truck in the midst of your neighbors&#039; BMWs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not true that &#8220;it’s far better to live in the best house on a low income street than the worst house on a high income street.&#8221; It is only true if you have the psychology to keep up with the Joneses.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you know that buying the worst house on an expensive block is much better for your equity, you&#8217;ll be riding the added value all the way to the bank, if you are content with driving your 10 year-old beat up pick-up truck in the midst of your neighbors&#8217; BMWs.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This raised two thoughts for me, both reinforcing the point:

We lived in Santa Barbara, CA for several years, which means everyone instantly assumes you&#039;re rich.  What they don&#039;t see is that nearly everyone under 30 lives with 4-8 housemates (often in bunk beds) and all that most people lead very simple lives because they spend so much to be there.  It&#039;s a whole city of &quot;wealthy neighborhood&quot; assumptions by outsiders.

And this whole thing reminds me of a commercial that I keep hearing on the radio from a local car dealership.  It goes something like, &quot;Imagine pulling up to your favorite restaurant in a new Honda or Toyota.  ..NNNNow imagine what it would be like to pull up in a brand new Mercedes Benz.&quot;  I must not be their demographic, because the shallow assumptions about keeping up that they make tend to make me a little nauseous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This raised two thoughts for me, both reinforcing the point:</p>
<p>We lived in Santa Barbara, CA for several years, which means everyone instantly assumes you&#8217;re rich.  What they don&#8217;t see is that nearly everyone under 30 lives with 4-8 housemates (often in bunk beds) and all that most people lead very simple lives because they spend so much to be there.  It&#8217;s a whole city of &#8220;wealthy neighborhood&#8221; assumptions by outsiders.</p>
<p>And this whole thing reminds me of a commercial that I keep hearing on the radio from a local car dealership.  It goes something like, &#8220;Imagine pulling up to your favorite restaurant in a new Honda or Toyota.  ..NNNNow imagine what it would be like to pull up in a brand new Mercedes Benz.&#8221;  I must not be their demographic, because the shallow assumptions about keeping up that they make tend to make me a little nauseous.</p>
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