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		<title>By: deRuiter</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/11/the-courage-to-ask/comment-page-2/#comment-483733</link>
		<dc:creator>deRuiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is for other women who are buying a car at a dealership.  I love to haggle, and am great at it, EXCEPT in a car dealership which is still the &quot;good old boys&#039; network.&quot;  I can walk into a dealership, walk around the cars, making notes, and the salesMEN (and they are all men) do not see me, I am invisible.  If I buttonhole one and say I want to buy a car, he will cooperate and even make a show of haggling.  I get HIS ABSOLUTE  BEST POSSIBLE PRICE in writing.  I leave and return with a man.  The man  doesn&#039;t have to be young, he doesn&#039;t have to be handsome, not a captain of industry, or brilliant, he must only be MALE.  I let him take my paperwork to the SAME salesman who gave me his BEST PRICE and I stand by and admire my manicure.  Invariably the man negotiating for me  gets a better price by $500. to a thousand dollars.  This OUGHT to drive me wild, but it doesn&#039;t, it&#039;s just a fact of life.  For anyone who&#039;s interested, a White man gets the best discount, a White woman gets the next bext price, and a Black woman gets the worst price from the same salesman, in my experience. I never consulted with Black men about this so I don&#039;t have an opinion about where they would fit in the haggle / price / success heirarchy (sp?).  Used cars from a dealer work the same way.  Don&#039;t let pride get in the way of thrift ladies, negotiate that car deal AND THEN BRING ON THE BIG GUNS (that&#039;s how the car salesmen see it) and get an extra discount on your next vehicle.  It&#039;s found money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is for other women who are buying a car at a dealership.  I love to haggle, and am great at it, EXCEPT in a car dealership which is still the &#8220;good old boys&#8217; network.&#8221;  I can walk into a dealership, walk around the cars, making notes, and the salesMEN (and they are all men) do not see me, I am invisible.  If I buttonhole one and say I want to buy a car, he will cooperate and even make a show of haggling.  I get HIS ABSOLUTE  BEST POSSIBLE PRICE in writing.  I leave and return with a man.  The man  doesn&#8217;t have to be young, he doesn&#8217;t have to be handsome, not a captain of industry, or brilliant, he must only be MALE.  I let him take my paperwork to the SAME salesman who gave me his BEST PRICE and I stand by and admire my manicure.  Invariably the man negotiating for me  gets a better price by $500. to a thousand dollars.  This OUGHT to drive me wild, but it doesn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s just a fact of life.  For anyone who&#8217;s interested, a White man gets the best discount, a White woman gets the next bext price, and a Black woman gets the worst price from the same salesman, in my experience. I never consulted with Black men about this so I don&#8217;t have an opinion about where they would fit in the haggle / price / success heirarchy (sp?).  Used cars from a dealer work the same way.  Don&#8217;t let pride get in the way of thrift ladies, negotiate that car deal AND THEN BRING ON THE BIG GUNS (that&#8217;s how the car salesmen see it) and get an extra discount on your next vehicle.  It&#8217;s found money.</p>
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		<title>By: Prabu Rajasekaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prabu Rajasekaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, 
I&#039;ve always felt embarrassed to ask anyone anything. Even asking my friends was for me. Of late, I notice whenever I ask anything, I almost always get them. I&#039;m also letting go of my embarrassment. They are after all my friends and they&#039;d also feel like helping me just like how I feel. Your post will positively reinforce asking more. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent,<br />
I&#8217;ve always felt embarrassed to ask anyone anything. Even asking my friends was for me. Of late, I notice whenever I ask anything, I almost always get them. I&#8217;m also letting go of my embarrassment. They are after all my friends and they&#8217;d also feel like helping me just like how I feel. Your post will positively reinforce asking more. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/11/the-courage-to-ask/comment-page-2/#comment-374647</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you mentioned this as a problem specifically for women. Absolutely true. I was raised by a strong single-mother who didn&#039;t hesitate to request discounts, better pricing, etc. She never took advantage and judged others who did. 

Now, as a single-mom myself, I&#039;m very similar. I&#039;m not as good with saving my money as she was, but I&#039;ve gotten better depending on my needs at the time. But, when I hear what some others do, omg - what are these people thinking?! Some of my co-workers seem to think the world is just waiting to bend over for them. From frivolous lawsuits to manipulating everyone to returning used clothing to refusing payment at lunch, ugh. 

Anyway, everyone needs the confidence to haggle a bit. In the past few weeks, I bought an hdtv finally and only because I wanted one. I haggled with the salesmen and haggled with Directv for the HD DVR. Why pay full price for a dvr when you&#039;ve already got your eyes on Directv&#039;s upcoming new Tivo DVR expected next year? It&#039;s a reasonable request. 

Chipotle&#039;s great. I ask for extra rice every time I go. &quot;Extra rice, please&quot; or &quot;Double rice, please&quot; is typically my wording. If they charged for it, I&#039;d still ask. They do charge for extra chicken, so I pay that charge. Also, newbie Chipotle employees are skimpy spooners sometimes. I have had to ask for a little more salsa, corn, or sour cream before, but it&#039;s rare. In a place that makes custom dishes according to customer demands, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s unreasonable to make your demands known! I&#039;m surprised someone considers that rude, but I understand this lady may have gone overboard. I&#039;m sure if Chipotle considers themselves abused, they&#039;ll start charging for extra anything. I personally would gladly pay for extra rice, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you mentioned this as a problem specifically for women. Absolutely true. I was raised by a strong single-mother who didn&#8217;t hesitate to request discounts, better pricing, etc. She never took advantage and judged others who did. </p>
<p>Now, as a single-mom myself, I&#8217;m very similar. I&#8217;m not as good with saving my money as she was, but I&#8217;ve gotten better depending on my needs at the time. But, when I hear what some others do, omg &#8211; what are these people thinking?! Some of my co-workers seem to think the world is just waiting to bend over for them. From frivolous lawsuits to manipulating everyone to returning used clothing to refusing payment at lunch, ugh. </p>
<p>Anyway, everyone needs the confidence to haggle a bit. In the past few weeks, I bought an hdtv finally and only because I wanted one. I haggled with the salesmen and haggled with Directv for the HD DVR. Why pay full price for a dvr when you&#8217;ve already got your eyes on Directv&#8217;s upcoming new Tivo DVR expected next year? It&#8217;s a reasonable request. </p>
<p>Chipotle&#8217;s great. I ask for extra rice every time I go. &#8220;Extra rice, please&#8221; or &#8220;Double rice, please&#8221; is typically my wording. If they charged for it, I&#8217;d still ask. They do charge for extra chicken, so I pay that charge. Also, newbie Chipotle employees are skimpy spooners sometimes. I have had to ask for a little more salsa, corn, or sour cream before, but it&#8217;s rare. In a place that makes custom dishes according to customer demands, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unreasonable to make your demands known! I&#8217;m surprised someone considers that rude, but I understand this lady may have gone overboard. I&#8217;m sure if Chipotle considers themselves abused, they&#8217;ll start charging for extra anything. I personally would gladly pay for extra rice, too.</p>
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		<title>By: BW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought a year&#039;s supply of soft contacts from my eye doctor&#039;s office.  When I ordered over the phone, I asked if there were any discounts.  This was the first time I&#039;d ever asked for a bargain, and it worked out great!  They said there was a deal where if I bought a year&#039;s supply, I&#039;d get two boxes free, which saved me around $60.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a year&#8217;s supply of soft contacts from my eye doctor&#8217;s office.  When I ordered over the phone, I asked if there were any discounts.  This was the first time I&#8217;d ever asked for a bargain, and it worked out great!  They said there was a deal where if I bought a year&#8217;s supply, I&#8217;d get two boxes free, which saved me around $60.</p>
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		<title>By: Shopping Queen</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/11/the-courage-to-ask/comment-page-2/#comment-374136</link>
		<dc:creator>Shopping Queen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An important thing to remember when asking for a discount or something extra is to first ask for the decision maker. Sometimes the person you are speaking with is not the person that can make the decision.

Don&#039;t be afraid to push to speak to the decision maker directly.

I have a list of other situations where you can ask for savings: http://www.theshoppingqueen.com/view_shopping_guide.php?shopping_guide_id=10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An important thing to remember when asking for a discount or something extra is to first ask for the decision maker. Sometimes the person you are speaking with is not the person that can make the decision.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be afraid to push to speak to the decision maker directly.</p>
<p>I have a list of other situations where you can ask for savings: <a href="http://www.theshoppingqueen.com/view_shopping_guide.php?shopping_guide_id=10" rel="nofollow">http://www.theshoppingqueen.com/view_shopping_guide.php?shopping_guide_id=10</a></p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard that if you don&#039;t agree with something your medical insurance company has done, you should contact them and you should do it more than once.  I&#039;ve heard that some of them have a policy of always saying no the first time.  I hope that&#039;s not true, but it is true that asking more than once for things that are very important can make a difference.

There&#039;s also the tactic of asking one person and then either calling back to ask a different person or asking the first person to let you talk to their boss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard that if you don&#8217;t agree with something your medical insurance company has done, you should contact them and you should do it more than once.  I&#8217;ve heard that some of them have a policy of always saying no the first time.  I hope that&#8217;s not true, but it is true that asking more than once for things that are very important can make a difference.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the tactic of asking one person and then either calling back to ask a different person or asking the first person to let you talk to their boss.</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ask people for their produce that they can&#039;t use. For example, this summer I canned over 20 pints of cherry jelly, syrup, and juice, and blackberry too, because I asked the fruit owners if I could pick their trees. People are almost always delighted to give you the produce because it is ready all at once, and they do not want it to go to waste. The last 2 weeks I have been canning tomatoes and homeade spaghetti sauce with almost 2 bushels of free tomatoes from a friend. She had planted a large garden, got exhausted from the summer, and had a garden full of produce that was going to rot, so I just asked her if I could can it. She was very pleased to give it to me, including many beautiful green and red peppers--all free for the picking!  I always give them some of their own food back as a thank you, such as a pint of jelly from their own tree. They love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ask people for their produce that they can&#8217;t use. For example, this summer I canned over 20 pints of cherry jelly, syrup, and juice, and blackberry too, because I asked the fruit owners if I could pick their trees. People are almost always delighted to give you the produce because it is ready all at once, and they do not want it to go to waste. The last 2 weeks I have been canning tomatoes and homeade spaghetti sauce with almost 2 bushels of free tomatoes from a friend. She had planted a large garden, got exhausted from the summer, and had a garden full of produce that was going to rot, so I just asked her if I could can it. She was very pleased to give it to me, including many beautiful green and red peppers&#8211;all free for the picking!  I always give them some of their own food back as a thank you, such as a pint of jelly from their own tree. They love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam H.</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/11/the-courage-to-ask/comment-page-2/#comment-373310</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, think it&#039;s wrong to ask for more ketchup or condiment packets if you&#039;re not going to use them on that specific meal.  There&#039;s thrifty, which I&#039;m all in favor of, and then there&#039;s CHEAP- and not in a good way.  Someone I know always asks for extra ketchup and then opens them up and empties them into her ketchup bottle at home.  I find that so repulsive.

Again, I&#039;m all for being thrifty, but some money-saving methods just go beyond the pale.  I like the rest of your tips, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, think it&#8217;s wrong to ask for more ketchup or condiment packets if you&#8217;re not going to use them on that specific meal.  There&#8217;s thrifty, which I&#8217;m all in favor of, and then there&#8217;s CHEAP- and not in a good way.  Someone I know always asks for extra ketchup and then opens them up and empties them into her ketchup bottle at home.  I find that so repulsive.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m all for being thrifty, but some money-saving methods just go beyond the pale.  I like the rest of your tips, though.</p>
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		<title>By: reulte</title>
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		<dc:creator>reulte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask politely -- remember to say thank you.  That&#039;s great advice.

Also, in some countries, there is a charge for extra packets of condiments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask politely &#8212; remember to say thank you.  That&#8217;s great advice.</p>
<p>Also, in some countries, there is a charge for extra packets of condiments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ram</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/11/the-courage-to-ask/comment-page-2/#comment-373228</link>
		<dc:creator>Ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Johanna (Comment#30)
I understand the situation now; i agree with you in that circumstance.

My wife with our 3yr old and I happened to stop by subway this evening, after a long time. It has been several months since we went out to fast food restaurants, and I remembered this post as we were at the line to get a vege-delite sub sandwich :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Johanna (Comment#30)<br />
I understand the situation now; i agree with you in that circumstance.</p>
<p>My wife with our 3yr old and I happened to stop by subway this evening, after a long time. It has been several months since we went out to fast food restaurants, and I remembered this post as we were at the line to get a vege-delite sub sandwich :)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend Steve is a professional mechanic and does side jobs after hours to prepare for a child on the way.  A truly honest mechanic.  Anyways he takes a side job and has the price agreed upon before the work begins.  When the job is done the guy asks for a discount even though he knows he&#039;s getting a great deal.  I&#039;m glad Steve didn&#039;t back down and threaten a mechanics lien and got the agreed upon price.  Sometimes you should have the decency not to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend Steve is a professional mechanic and does side jobs after hours to prepare for a child on the way.  A truly honest mechanic.  Anyways he takes a side job and has the price agreed upon before the work begins.  When the job is done the guy asks for a discount even though he knows he&#8217;s getting a great deal.  I&#8217;m glad Steve didn&#8217;t back down and threaten a mechanics lien and got the agreed upon price.  Sometimes you should have the decency not to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/11/the-courage-to-ask/comment-page-2/#comment-373158</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the term that needs to be discussed is &quot;consideration&quot; in the contractual sense.  Basically I don&#039;t have a problem asking for a discount if I&#039;m giving something in return such as bulk purchasing (buying more in return for a discount), but taking extra condiments or using threats such as holding up the line and making the job harder is not giving something back it is being a jerk and crossing the line from frugal to cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the term that needs to be discussed is &#8220;consideration&#8221; in the contractual sense.  Basically I don&#8217;t have a problem asking for a discount if I&#8217;m giving something in return such as bulk purchasing (buying more in return for a discount), but taking extra condiments or using threats such as holding up the line and making the job harder is not giving something back it is being a jerk and crossing the line from frugal to cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaylan</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/11/the-courage-to-ask/comment-page-2/#comment-373155</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ask for extra ketchup or hot sauce packets at the fast food restaurant.&quot;

Ugh. My mother. Does that. And napkins! The woman probably hasn&#039;t bought napkins since the mid-80s since she always takes an inch-thick stack home from fast food restaurants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ask for extra ketchup or hot sauce packets at the fast food restaurant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ugh. My mother. Does that. And napkins! The woman probably hasn&#8217;t bought napkins since the mid-80s since she always takes an inch-thick stack home from fast food restaurants.</p>
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		<title>By: JReed</title>
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		<dc:creator>JReed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you sincerely want something, fine, ask...a few extra veggies, whatever. If I&#039;m already getting a deal a a yard sale, I don&#039;t ask for more discount. I&#039;m happy to support my local potter at his full rate; I don&#039;t want to take money from him and I don&#039;t want discounts at famers markets. Part of my giving to society is not shaming people into lowering their well earned rate just for the thrill of a bit extra off. I hope I never get to the point that I have to beg for ketchup just to &quot;feel confident&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you sincerely want something, fine, ask&#8230;a few extra veggies, whatever. If I&#8217;m already getting a deal a a yard sale, I don&#8217;t ask for more discount. I&#8217;m happy to support my local potter at his full rate; I don&#8217;t want to take money from him and I don&#8217;t want discounts at famers markets. Part of my giving to society is not shaming people into lowering their well earned rate just for the thrill of a bit extra off. I hope I never get to the point that I have to beg for ketchup just to &#8220;feel confident&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, however I feel like I need to chime in about asking discounts from craftspeople.  I make my living as an artist and I do the outdoor show circuit for a living.  In general, artists (potters, painters, etc.) are lucky if we are making minimum wage when you take into account the materials and labor that go into our pieces (not to mention the very high prices that we pay to get into the shows to begin with).  These are not mass produced items that we sell.  When you ask an crafts person to give you a discount, they may give you one, not because their markup is so high, but because they are perhaps worried about making rent for the month.

I&#039;d ask people to put the shoe on the other foot for a moment and ask yourself how you would feel if you had worked a hard 8 hour day and the boss says &quot;Hey, I gave you a lot of hours of employment today, surely you won&#039;t mind shaving a few bucks off your paycheck for a volume discount?&quot;.

Just some food for thought, I enjoyed the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, however I feel like I need to chime in about asking discounts from craftspeople.  I make my living as an artist and I do the outdoor show circuit for a living.  In general, artists (potters, painters, etc.) are lucky if we are making minimum wage when you take into account the materials and labor that go into our pieces (not to mention the very high prices that we pay to get into the shows to begin with).  These are not mass produced items that we sell.  When you ask an crafts person to give you a discount, they may give you one, not because their markup is so high, but because they are perhaps worried about making rent for the month.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d ask people to put the shoe on the other foot for a moment and ask yourself how you would feel if you had worked a hard 8 hour day and the boss says &#8220;Hey, I gave you a lot of hours of employment today, surely you won&#8217;t mind shaving a few bucks off your paycheck for a volume discount?&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just some food for thought, I enjoyed the article.</p>
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		<title>By: See My Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>See My Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When asking for something more substantial, such as a reduced price for medical bills or a new car, do your homework. Come prepared with reasons why you deserve a discount and have some information/reasons to back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When asking for something more substantial, such as a reduced price for medical bills or a new car, do your homework. Come prepared with reasons why you deserve a discount and have some information/reasons to back it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Trent.  As others have mentioned, I really appreciate the confidence building element.

Loved Kate&#039;s comment - don&#039;t mess with a pregnant lady!  That said, I took a seminar given by a recovering car salesman and he told us about a tool that car salespeople use.  Its called the Four Square because the document is split up into 4 squares with a number in each square (for instance, $3,000 in top left square and $15,000 in top right square, etc).  Each of these squares represents a dollar figure and therefore a point of negotiation.  Unfortunately, I can&#039;t find my notes from the class, but I found a reasonable description at http://www.eautoadvantage.com/purchasing/3-3-1-foursquare.shtml.  I recall the teacher saying the four square is only used in new car negotiation.  He also mentioned that shopping for cars mid-week, end of the day, end of the month, and on windy days is a good strategy.  So if you can combine that - shop on Wednesday before the end of the month, an hour before closing time on a windy day -- and you&#039;re willing to walk out -- you&#039;re virtually guaranteed a good deal, eh?

On garage sales - Its often effective to chit chat with the person giving the sale ABOUT the sale to get a sense of their satisfaction with the sale.  That helps me know if the primary motivation is to make money or to get rid of stuff, which guides my negotiation strategy.  In addition, as someone else mentioned, it creates an opportunity to practice talking to people you don&#039;t know (I have a hard time with that too).  I&#039;ve had several garage sales myself and I&#039;m typically trying to get rid of stuff.  I often end the sale with a $5/bag fire sale - put as much as you can in a bag and take it for $5.  It might be worthwhile to bring a your own bag and propose that to the sale-giver if it is near the end of the day - especially if you&#039;ve talked to them and know their primary motivation is to get rid of stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Trent.  As others have mentioned, I really appreciate the confidence building element.</p>
<p>Loved Kate&#8217;s comment &#8211; don&#8217;t mess with a pregnant lady!  That said, I took a seminar given by a recovering car salesman and he told us about a tool that car salespeople use.  Its called the Four Square because the document is split up into 4 squares with a number in each square (for instance, $3,000 in top left square and $15,000 in top right square, etc).  Each of these squares represents a dollar figure and therefore a point of negotiation.  Unfortunately, I can&#8217;t find my notes from the class, but I found a reasonable description at <a href="http://www.eautoadvantage.com/purchasing/3-3-1-foursquare.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.eautoadvantage.com/purchasing/3-3-1-foursquare.shtml</a>.  I recall the teacher saying the four square is only used in new car negotiation.  He also mentioned that shopping for cars mid-week, end of the day, end of the month, and on windy days is a good strategy.  So if you can combine that &#8211; shop on Wednesday before the end of the month, an hour before closing time on a windy day &#8212; and you&#8217;re willing to walk out &#8212; you&#8217;re virtually guaranteed a good deal, eh?</p>
<p>On garage sales &#8211; Its often effective to chit chat with the person giving the sale ABOUT the sale to get a sense of their satisfaction with the sale.  That helps me know if the primary motivation is to make money or to get rid of stuff, which guides my negotiation strategy.  In addition, as someone else mentioned, it creates an opportunity to practice talking to people you don&#8217;t know (I have a hard time with that too).  I&#8217;ve had several garage sales myself and I&#8217;m typically trying to get rid of stuff.  I often end the sale with a $5/bag fire sale &#8211; put as much as you can in a bag and take it for $5.  It might be worthwhile to bring a your own bag and propose that to the sale-giver if it is near the end of the day &#8211; especially if you&#8217;ve talked to them and know their primary motivation is to get rid of stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: BonzoGal</title>
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		<dc:creator>BonzoGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kate, #32:  Right on!!!  What a great story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kate, #32:  Right on!!!  What a great story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Lancaster Accurate Auto Advice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Lancaster Accurate Auto Advice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see that you&#039;ve suggested that people ask for freebies or bargains when they buy a car. However, when I worked in the industry I was often asked for things that I couldn&#039;t easily come up with. Dealerships are very compartmentalized, so if you start asking for free hats, extra keys, etc. (which come from the parts department) you&#039;re probably going to hear &quot;no.&quot; Here are some freebies you can ask for AFTER you&#039;ve negotiated the deal that you&#039;ll probably get:

1. A full tank of gas. This is little or no problem for your salesperson to take care of.

2. Touch-up of scratches and/or dents. You&#039;ll have to come back to the dealership at a later date, but they can get this stuff done cheap.

3. A new windshield. Same as above.

4. The option to buy any sort of part or accessory at a dealer cost - just make sure you work out exactly what dealer cost is before you leave.

5. A discount from a local accessory shop. Find out who they use and ask about a discount.

6. Financing just about anything into the deal. For example, if you&#039;re paying 1.9% on your car and you owe $5k on a credit card at 19.9%, ask to have it rolled into your auto loan. Just make sure you pay extra every month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that you&#8217;ve suggested that people ask for freebies or bargains when they buy a car. However, when I worked in the industry I was often asked for things that I couldn&#8217;t easily come up with. Dealerships are very compartmentalized, so if you start asking for free hats, extra keys, etc. (which come from the parts department) you&#8217;re probably going to hear &#8220;no.&#8221; Here are some freebies you can ask for AFTER you&#8217;ve negotiated the deal that you&#8217;ll probably get:</p>
<p>1. A full tank of gas. This is little or no problem for your salesperson to take care of.</p>
<p>2. Touch-up of scratches and/or dents. You&#8217;ll have to come back to the dealership at a later date, but they can get this stuff done cheap.</p>
<p>3. A new windshield. Same as above.</p>
<p>4. The option to buy any sort of part or accessory at a dealer cost &#8211; just make sure you work out exactly what dealer cost is before you leave.</p>
<p>5. A discount from a local accessory shop. Find out who they use and ask about a discount.</p>
<p>6. Financing just about anything into the deal. For example, if you&#8217;re paying 1.9% on your car and you owe $5k on a credit card at 19.9%, ask to have it rolled into your auto loan. Just make sure you pay extra every month.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding vehicles - and windshield replacement
We have four vehicles that need new windshields - when I called, I asked if there was a bulk discount since I had 4 vehicles that needed new windshields - I was told, let me see what I can do -  I ended up getting an average of $50 off per vehicle for about a $200 savings!  

So maybe look at going in with your neighbors and only giving them one payment (not one for each vehicle) for a volume discount!

My motto, is if you don&#039;t ask you will never know!  worst that can happen is you are told &#039;no&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding vehicles &#8211; and windshield replacement<br />
We have four vehicles that need new windshields &#8211; when I called, I asked if there was a bulk discount since I had 4 vehicles that needed new windshields &#8211; I was told, let me see what I can do &#8211;  I ended up getting an average of $50 off per vehicle for about a $200 savings!  </p>
<p>So maybe look at going in with your neighbors and only giving them one payment (not one for each vehicle) for a volume discount!</p>
<p>My motto, is if you don&#8217;t ask you will never know!  worst that can happen is you are told &#8216;no&#8217;.</p>
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