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	<title>Comments on: The Real Reason They Aren&#8217;t Homeowners: Different Goals</title>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/16/the-real-reason-they-arent-homeowners-different-goals/comment-page-2/#comment-379563</link>
		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic. Probably comments are far different than in 2005. At least for me, I rent years, recent 3 years as a condo owner. I could have bought cheaper if I decided to buy earlier, yet I was able to live in a great neighborhood/school district, save more in 401K and family vacations for great memories.

My condo is a security blanket for me. This is my default living quarter beyond working years. Mortgage will be paid off before retirement. I would rather have this done over extra $$$ in retirement fund value. During my new home ownership, This is my way of balancing my finance.
There are no right or wrong to all posts. Any approach that make sense to each, it is a choice.
I do share my value with those city dwellers and world travelers, and also with those who love &quot;nesting&quot; with pleasure of simple pleasures at home. We all should listen to your inner voice, rather than &quot;American dream&quot; slogans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic. Probably comments are far different than in 2005. At least for me, I rent years, recent 3 years as a condo owner. I could have bought cheaper if I decided to buy earlier, yet I was able to live in a great neighborhood/school district, save more in 401K and family vacations for great memories.</p>
<p>My condo is a security blanket for me. This is my default living quarter beyond working years. Mortgage will be paid off before retirement. I would rather have this done over extra $$$ in retirement fund value. During my new home ownership, This is my way of balancing my finance.<br />
There are no right or wrong to all posts. Any approach that make sense to each, it is a choice.<br />
I do share my value with those city dwellers and world travelers, and also with those who love &#8220;nesting&#8221; with pleasure of simple pleasures at home. We all should listen to your inner voice, rather than &#8220;American dream&#8221; slogans.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting, if those folks who chortle about the sale price of their home, would also subtract the interest payments that they had made along the way.  Then how many of them would claim to have even made a profit, much less a killing?

&quot;Owning a home&quot; is something of a misnomer, since most of us are in the process of &quot;buying a home,&quot; which is essentially renting from the bank or mortgage company.

So, when those of us who are paying mortgages look at our statements... we have to admit that the vast majority of the cost, the interest, is really the equivalent of making a rent payment to our landlord, the bank.  The small amount that goes to principal is the only equity we are building up.  And even that amount needs to be balanced against the cost of upkeep and maintenance paid by us, not the landlord.

To sum up: 
In my opinion, financially, there is not a lot of difference between renting and paying a mortgage. 
Psychologically, that is a different story.  And, as Trent points out with the 6 examples, there are lots of good reasons to decide either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting, if those folks who chortle about the sale price of their home, would also subtract the interest payments that they had made along the way.  Then how many of them would claim to have even made a profit, much less a killing?</p>
<p>&#8220;Owning a home&#8221; is something of a misnomer, since most of us are in the process of &#8220;buying a home,&#8221; which is essentially renting from the bank or mortgage company.</p>
<p>So, when those of us who are paying mortgages look at our statements&#8230; we have to admit that the vast majority of the cost, the interest, is really the equivalent of making a rent payment to our landlord, the bank.  The small amount that goes to principal is the only equity we are building up.  And even that amount needs to be balanced against the cost of upkeep and maintenance paid by us, not the landlord.</p>
<p>To sum up:<br />
In my opinion, financially, there is not a lot of difference between renting and paying a mortgage.<br />
Psychologically, that is a different story.  And, as Trent points out with the 6 examples, there are lots of good reasons to decide either way.</p>
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		<title>By: suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, everything is a trade-off.  For some people, in some situations, home ownership is a pain in the butt, and for others, it&#039;s a dream.  Saying &quot;everyone should&quot; is stupid.  

I&#039;m a 30 yo single woman and own my own home.  I love it.  I love being able to garden.  I love having room for my two dogs.  I love the whole painting/decorating/fixing/rehabbing part--even refinishing the floors is a kick.  I crave my own space, and I love and need privacy.  I live in a market where my monthly rent and monthly mortgage are similar.  It&#039;s a small town near my family with a climate I love.  Buying was worth every penny for me.

My best friend is a 30 yo single woman who rents.  She lives in a big city with prohibitive housing prices.  She dislikes the isolation of living by herself, and would rather have roommates.  She has absolutely no interest in home decoration or furnishing, and the idea of a DIY project is enough to kill her off.  I don&#039;t think she owns a table, or feels any lack of it.  Her preferred pet is a goldfish.  She loves living in the center of a vibrant music community, since much of her spare time is spent composing music and playing various instruments.

I will never convince my friend to buy a house.  My brother is trying to persuade me to sell and come live in Boston in an apartment.  He&#039;s never going to convince me.  Essentially, we&#039;ve each paid our money and taken our choice, and each of us has chosen what is absolutely in the best interest of our happiness.  There&#039;s nothing wrong with either of our decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, everything is a trade-off.  For some people, in some situations, home ownership is a pain in the butt, and for others, it&#8217;s a dream.  Saying &#8220;everyone should&#8221; is stupid.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a 30 yo single woman and own my own home.  I love it.  I love being able to garden.  I love having room for my two dogs.  I love the whole painting/decorating/fixing/rehabbing part&#8211;even refinishing the floors is a kick.  I crave my own space, and I love and need privacy.  I live in a market where my monthly rent and monthly mortgage are similar.  It&#8217;s a small town near my family with a climate I love.  Buying was worth every penny for me.</p>
<p>My best friend is a 30 yo single woman who rents.  She lives in a big city with prohibitive housing prices.  She dislikes the isolation of living by herself, and would rather have roommates.  She has absolutely no interest in home decoration or furnishing, and the idea of a DIY project is enough to kill her off.  I don&#8217;t think she owns a table, or feels any lack of it.  Her preferred pet is a goldfish.  She loves living in the center of a vibrant music community, since much of her spare time is spent composing music and playing various instruments.</p>
<p>I will never convince my friend to buy a house.  My brother is trying to persuade me to sell and come live in Boston in an apartment.  He&#8217;s never going to convince me.  Essentially, we&#8217;ve each paid our money and taken our choice, and each of us has chosen what is absolutely in the best interest of our happiness.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong with either of our decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the &quot;mortgage you&#039;re paying as a renter,&quot; well, when the landlord took it out in 1988, or 1998, it&#039;s usually better to rent than pay for a 2008-level mortgage.

People who talk about the money they make selling a house never, NEVER, consider the maintenance (at least 1%/year), taxes (3%/year in many areas), or any upgrades (paint, floors, wallpaper, kitchen, etc.) in their calculations.

And no, you never recoup the cost of upgrades.

They&#039;ll only tell you purchase and resale price, even leaving out transaction costs like that hefty Realtor commission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the &#8220;mortgage you&#8217;re paying as a renter,&#8221; well, when the landlord took it out in 1988, or 1998, it&#8217;s usually better to rent than pay for a 2008-level mortgage.</p>
<p>People who talk about the money they make selling a house never, NEVER, consider the maintenance (at least 1%/year), taxes (3%/year in many areas), or any upgrades (paint, floors, wallpaper, kitchen, etc.) in their calculations.</p>
<p>And no, you never recoup the cost of upgrades.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll only tell you purchase and resale price, even leaving out transaction costs like that hefty Realtor commission.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jim

But if you have a $500k, paid for house, but little savings (because all your money went in to the house) or you have $500k in liquid assets and a $1500 rent. Which is the better position to be in when you retire?

I&#039;d rather have the liquid assets and a rent. 

Again, I&#039;m not against owning a home, I&#039;m just not going to do it at the expense of my retirement savings. And where I live, it would be. I&#039;d need about $100k down and pay $3k+ a month for mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim</p>
<p>But if you have a $500k, paid for house, but little savings (because all your money went in to the house) or you have $500k in liquid assets and a $1500 rent. Which is the better position to be in when you retire?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather have the liquid assets and a rent. </p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not against owning a home, I&#8217;m just not going to do it at the expense of my retirement savings. And where I live, it would be. I&#8217;d need about $100k down and pay $3k+ a month for mortgage.</p>
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		<title>By: conny</title>
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		<dc:creator>conny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and many owners don&#039;t calculate that a house will be worthless in the long run... (not many houses that are old in the realestate population is there, so a 1-4% price cut is actually the price to pay for your rent. And if mortgage is less then you don&#039;t pay your rent...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and many owners don&#8217;t calculate that a house will be worthless in the long run&#8230; (not many houses that are old in the realestate population is there, so a 1-4% price cut is actually the price to pay for your rent. And if mortgage is less then you don&#8217;t pay your rent&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob in  Madrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob in  Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accidental landlords, when someone can&#039;t sell the first house and is forced to rent it out well below maintenance costs. This has happened to several friends of mine. Huge drain on the budget. 

Best time to buy a house when rents and mortgages are about level. 

Currently in Madrid rent for a 2 bedroom apartment 950€ or less, mortgage for same (if you can get one) 2000€ +

People who say &quot;I sold and made X thousands of dollars&quot; forget that a house is a liability not an asset. It costs you money to maintain every month. An asset earns you money.

Lastly I know tons of people who are, after a big run up in house prices, asset rich, cash flow poor. 

Best way to own a house is when it&#039;s paid for and you have loads of cash flow free, unfortunatly not many people do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accidental landlords, when someone can&#8217;t sell the first house and is forced to rent it out well below maintenance costs. This has happened to several friends of mine. Huge drain on the budget. </p>
<p>Best time to buy a house when rents and mortgages are about level. </p>
<p>Currently in Madrid rent for a 2 bedroom apartment 950€ or less, mortgage for same (if you can get one) 2000€ +</p>
<p>People who say &#8220;I sold and made X thousands of dollars&#8221; forget that a house is a liability not an asset. It costs you money to maintain every month. An asset earns you money.</p>
<p>Lastly I know tons of people who are, after a big run up in house prices, asset rich, cash flow poor. </p>
<p>Best way to own a house is when it&#8217;s paid for and you have loads of cash flow free, unfortunatly not many people do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rent half of a two-family house to get my kids into a top-tier public school district in NY. I crunched the numbers, and it was by far cheaper to rent and send my kids to our fantastic ivy-league feeder public school, than to buy (or even rent) in a less expensive area, and send our kids to private school. 

My husband is a professor, and I am a teacher. We pay 1900 hundred rent in a neighborhood where the houses average 750K. (We make les than 100K combined) The towns around us have houses averaging 2 mill. I am sure we pay the least of anyone on our block to get our kids this fine education.

Does every child need this kind of caviar education? Maybe not. But I am blessed with the awseome responsibility of nurturing two highly gifted kids who IQ test at about 178. Where we last lived, excelling in school made you a social pariah. Here, in the land of wealthy professionals, the same drive gets you noticed and respected at school. Big difference. Can we afford Ivy League? No. But my kids will have a better chance of scholarships, and I have taught them that the bill must be in balance with the expected after-college income. They will likely be able to go free to a tier 2 college, and probably will.

Why don&#039;t we leave NY and buy a house? (I&#039;d really like to.) Well, there is a biological dad in the picture who lives here. Otherwise we&#039;d buy a house in one of the 3 states that on the grounds of regional diversity practically guaranteees an ivy league scholarship to achievers: Montana, Mississipi or Alaska.

So, we rent to get the priveleges of the rich, living just a hair below our means, and stand vigilant against any tendency to keep up with the Joneses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rent half of a two-family house to get my kids into a top-tier public school district in NY. I crunched the numbers, and it was by far cheaper to rent and send my kids to our fantastic ivy-league feeder public school, than to buy (or even rent) in a less expensive area, and send our kids to private school. </p>
<p>My husband is a professor, and I am a teacher. We pay 1900 hundred rent in a neighborhood where the houses average 750K. (We make les than 100K combined) The towns around us have houses averaging 2 mill. I am sure we pay the least of anyone on our block to get our kids this fine education.</p>
<p>Does every child need this kind of caviar education? Maybe not. But I am blessed with the awseome responsibility of nurturing two highly gifted kids who IQ test at about 178. Where we last lived, excelling in school made you a social pariah. Here, in the land of wealthy professionals, the same drive gets you noticed and respected at school. Big difference. Can we afford Ivy League? No. But my kids will have a better chance of scholarships, and I have taught them that the bill must be in balance with the expected after-college income. They will likely be able to go free to a tier 2 college, and probably will.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t we leave NY and buy a house? (I&#8217;d really like to.) Well, there is a biological dad in the picture who lives here. Otherwise we&#8217;d buy a house in one of the 3 states that on the grounds of regional diversity practically guaranteees an ivy league scholarship to achievers: Montana, Mississipi or Alaska.</p>
<p>So, we rent to get the priveleges of the rich, living just a hair below our means, and stand vigilant against any tendency to keep up with the Joneses.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do homeowners usually view their home as their source of funds for retirement? I net around $22K/year and could probably afford the mortgage on a say $100K home (which is not fancy but not a dump in my area) but I could not contribute much to my Roth IRA and I&#039;ve been working on maxing it out. Does home equity replace retirement savings?

I have around $20K in my emergency fund which has taken my whole life to build. Being single with no family nearby, I would not feel comfortable dumping it all into a down payment for a home. And by the time I save that much money again, houses worth $100K really will be dumps. How do people manage to save up for the down payment? 

I rent and for the time being I am comfortable with that. But if I wanted to buy a home, would it even be feasible? Tambo claims to have been able to afford homes with income under $25K and while I won&#039;t dispute that, I have to wonder how he/she is able to accomplish so much on so little, while I am scraping by with not even a family to support. I am not a spender, I live bare bones in an area with a pretty reasonable cost of living (to me at least) but obviously I&#039;m doing something wrong, right? Maybe home ownership is not for single people? I have noticed that most homeowners with success stories are married.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do homeowners usually view their home as their source of funds for retirement? I net around $22K/year and could probably afford the mortgage on a say $100K home (which is not fancy but not a dump in my area) but I could not contribute much to my Roth IRA and I&#8217;ve been working on maxing it out. Does home equity replace retirement savings?</p>
<p>I have around $20K in my emergency fund which has taken my whole life to build. Being single with no family nearby, I would not feel comfortable dumping it all into a down payment for a home. And by the time I save that much money again, houses worth $100K really will be dumps. How do people manage to save up for the down payment? </p>
<p>I rent and for the time being I am comfortable with that. But if I wanted to buy a home, would it even be feasible? Tambo claims to have been able to afford homes with income under $25K and while I won&#8217;t dispute that, I have to wonder how he/she is able to accomplish so much on so little, while I am scraping by with not even a family to support. I am not a spender, I live bare bones in an area with a pretty reasonable cost of living (to me at least) but obviously I&#8217;m doing something wrong, right? Maybe home ownership is not for single people? I have noticed that most homeowners with success stories are married.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew La Barbera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew La Barbera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOVERNMENT acted and told the lending Institutions that they must loan(lend) money to people who couldn&#039;t afford to pay it back. Guess who now is going to pay it!!
The GOVERNMENT should get out and let the people run business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOVERNMENT acted and told the lending Institutions that they must loan(lend) money to people who couldn&#8217;t afford to pay it back. Guess who now is going to pay it!!<br />
The GOVERNMENT should get out and let the people run business.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #7 (J.D)

Thanks for linking to the follow up.  Interesting to see how things turn out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #7 (J.D)</p>
<p>Thanks for linking to the follow up.  Interesting to see how things turn out.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #4 (tambo)

&quot;Fwiw, I find the we‚Äôre too poor to buy a house on $55k a year thing a bit insulting&quot;

If that&#039;s true I believe it&#039;s do to a misunderstanding related to cost of living.

According to bankrate&#039;s cost of living calculator, a $25K salary in Des Moines, IA is equivalent to a $45K salary in San Francisco with an average house costing more than 800K.  A $55K salary would be approximately equivalent to 100K in San Francisco.

We don&#039;t know where this couple lived, but if they lived in a major city 55K doesn&#039;t stretch very far at all.

A used condo for two people around 1000 sq. feet starts around 450K in San Francisco, which means a 20% down payment will put you out $90K.  Doable, sure, but it will take you a few years to save up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #4 (tambo)</p>
<p>&#8220;Fwiw, I find the we‚Äôre too poor to buy a house on $55k a year thing a bit insulting&#8221;</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s true I believe it&#8217;s do to a misunderstanding related to cost of living.</p>
<p>According to bankrate&#8217;s cost of living calculator, a $25K salary in Des Moines, IA is equivalent to a $45K salary in San Francisco with an average house costing more than 800K.  A $55K salary would be approximately equivalent to 100K in San Francisco.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know where this couple lived, but if they lived in a major city 55K doesn&#8217;t stretch very far at all.</p>
<p>A used condo for two people around 1000 sq. feet starts around 450K in San Francisco, which means a 20% down payment will put you out $90K.  Doable, sure, but it will take you a few years to save up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To each their own.   Everyone has different priorities and thats just fine.  Buying a home is a personal choice.   Financially I think buying a home is the best long term choice.  But if your priorities are different then thats your choice.   Our personal preferences and priorities often outweigh what is the best financial option.  

I however would be concerned about what happens when someone retires and still has to pay rent out of a potentially limited retirement income.  If you choose to rent instead of own then this is something you really need to make sure you&#039;re looking ahead towards retirement age.

Note that the article is 7 years old, so those numbers are a bit out of date.   They live in Portland Oregon so the home prices have appreciated substantially since then.  In 2001 median home price in Portland metro was around $150-175k range and now its up to $260-280k level.

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To each their own.   Everyone has different priorities and thats just fine.  Buying a home is a personal choice.   Financially I think buying a home is the best long term choice.  But if your priorities are different then thats your choice.   Our personal preferences and priorities often outweigh what is the best financial option.  </p>
<p>I however would be concerned about what happens when someone retires and still has to pay rent out of a potentially limited retirement income.  If you choose to rent instead of own then this is something you really need to make sure you&#8217;re looking ahead towards retirement age.</p>
<p>Note that the article is 7 years old, so those numbers are a bit out of date.   They live in Portland Oregon so the home prices have appreciated substantially since then.  In 2001 median home price in Portland metro was around $150-175k range and now its up to $260-280k level.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/16/the-real-reason-they-arent-homeowners-different-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-376480</link>
		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essay: &quot;Which brings up another point: we don‚Äôt have any spare time in our schedule for home repair, maintenance, or upgrade projects.&quot;

Trent: &quot;While I find that somewhat disheartening (often, someone unwilling to maintain their living quarters is often unwilling to maintain other parts of their life, too).&quot;

I don&#039;t see how subjecting one&#039;s self to extra work is a character flaw.  Why spend time maintaining your home if you don&#039;t have to?

The original essay is not talking about being tidy, changing lightbulbs, or vacuuming, but repair and maintenance, such as putting on a new roof, fixing plumbing, or yardwork.  These are a significant time sink and unless you gain satisfaction from it, your time most likely could be more productively spent in your personal or work life.

Your anecdote seems judgmental and the result of a protestant work ethic than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essay: &#8220;Which brings up another point: we don‚Äôt have any spare time in our schedule for home repair, maintenance, or upgrade projects.&#8221;</p>
<p>Trent: &#8220;While I find that somewhat disheartening (often, someone unwilling to maintain their living quarters is often unwilling to maintain other parts of their life, too).&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how subjecting one&#8217;s self to extra work is a character flaw.  Why spend time maintaining your home if you don&#8217;t have to?</p>
<p>The original essay is not talking about being tidy, changing lightbulbs, or vacuuming, but repair and maintenance, such as putting on a new roof, fixing plumbing, or yardwork.  These are a significant time sink and unless you gain satisfaction from it, your time most likely could be more productively spent in your personal or work life.</p>
<p>Your anecdote seems judgmental and the result of a protestant work ethic than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the comments here seem to suggest that when you rent all your money goes to the landlord, but when you own all the money goes to yourself. 

But what about other ownership costs? Like mortgage interest? Repairs? Higher insurance costs? Property taxes? And in many places and much higher own to rent ratio? 

If it costs me $1500/mo to rent and $3500/mo to buy... I don&#039;t see renting as throwing money away. 

I&#039;m not saying I&#039;ll never own, but right now, with the current market (in our area) and my current wages, it makes NO sense for me to own. I&#039;m not going to have 50% or more of my take home going to house payments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the comments here seem to suggest that when you rent all your money goes to the landlord, but when you own all the money goes to yourself. </p>
<p>But what about other ownership costs? Like mortgage interest? Repairs? Higher insurance costs? Property taxes? And in many places and much higher own to rent ratio? </p>
<p>If it costs me $1500/mo to rent and $3500/mo to buy&#8230; I don&#8217;t see renting as throwing money away. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;ll never own, but right now, with the current market (in our area) and my current wages, it makes NO sense for me to own. I&#8217;m not going to have 50% or more of my take home going to house payments.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I own a home, but in order to really afford this &quot;home of our dreams&quot; we were working way too many hours, at jobs we really didn&#039;t enjoy- just so we could have this beautiful house!  We loved our house but we hated our way of life, because we had no life.  Now we moved, are trying desperately to sell our house out of state, and are living in a tiny rental (which thankfully allows our pet)-- but even though we miss our house and we miss having more space- we LOVE actually eating dinner together every night, and spending our weekends together as a family, and we both love our new careers.  We are still planning to save up and buy another home in a few years, because we like loud things (dogs, kids, motorcycles, trumpets) and that&#039;s our choice, BUT we will be lots smarter about how much of our income goes to the mortgage next time, and what kind of life that means we will have.  Home maintenance is expensive, yard work is time consuming, but it&#039;s your choice.  Your dreams are your choice, it&#039;s important to think about all the good and bad details, like a career change, or becoming a parent.  Be smart and be as prepared as you can and then enjoy your life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I own a home, but in order to really afford this &#8220;home of our dreams&#8221; we were working way too many hours, at jobs we really didn&#8217;t enjoy- just so we could have this beautiful house!  We loved our house but we hated our way of life, because we had no life.  Now we moved, are trying desperately to sell our house out of state, and are living in a tiny rental (which thankfully allows our pet)&#8211; but even though we miss our house and we miss having more space- we LOVE actually eating dinner together every night, and spending our weekends together as a family, and we both love our new careers.  We are still planning to save up and buy another home in a few years, because we like loud things (dogs, kids, motorcycles, trumpets) and that&#8217;s our choice, BUT we will be lots smarter about how much of our income goes to the mortgage next time, and what kind of life that means we will have.  Home maintenance is expensive, yard work is time consuming, but it&#8217;s your choice.  Your dreams are your choice, it&#8217;s important to think about all the good and bad details, like a career change, or becoming a parent.  Be smart and be as prepared as you can and then enjoy your life!</p>
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		<title>By: Suzie</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/16/the-real-reason-they-arent-homeowners-different-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-376396</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owning a home is a really important goal for me, but I can understand that for others it may just not matter much. Still, I agree that the post did seem rather negative towards renting, despite attempting to portray it as a legitimate and viable alternative to buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owning a home is a really important goal for me, but I can understand that for others it may just not matter much. Still, I agree that the post did seem rather negative towards renting, despite attempting to portray it as a legitimate and viable alternative to buying.</p>
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		<title>By: paranoidasteroid</title>
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		<dc:creator>paranoidasteroid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to echo all the other comments thianking you for the link to the Unconventional Ideas website.  I&#039;ve just clicked on a few links, and it&#039;s really good.

My favorite is the article to teens, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unconventionalideas.com/graduate.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  The essay says a lot of things that make sense, although I think it does take a dim view on the world &amp; the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to echo all the other comments thianking you for the link to the Unconventional Ideas website.  I&#8217;ve just clicked on a few links, and it&#8217;s really good.</p>
<p>My favorite is the article to teens, <a href="http://www.unconventionalideas.com/graduate.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  The essay says a lot of things that make sense, although I think it does take a dim view on the world &amp; the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/16/the-real-reason-they-arent-homeowners-different-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-376342</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sush (at comment 37) raises a good point regarding family vacations. If your family lives outside of the US, seeing them can get expensive. Yet another reason not to judge people&#039;s spending practices from simply the numbers. It&#039;s interesting that people automatically assume that spending $5K or more on a vacation means going to a tourist trap. Don&#039;t people have friends who are from immigrant families? If they did, maybe they&#039;d be more understanding of these types of expenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sush (at comment 37) raises a good point regarding family vacations. If your family lives outside of the US, seeing them can get expensive. Yet another reason not to judge people&#8217;s spending practices from simply the numbers. It&#8217;s interesting that people automatically assume that spending $5K or more on a vacation means going to a tourist trap. Don&#8217;t people have friends who are from immigrant families? If they did, maybe they&#8217;d be more understanding of these types of expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Aggie</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/09/16/the-real-reason-they-arent-homeowners-different-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-376341</link>
		<dc:creator>Aggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father-in-law for most of his life rented.  He didn&#039;t mean to, but the years slipped by and the next thing he knew, 15 years had passed and he had spent years giving someone else money.

Personally, if I&#039;m going to pay rent or mortgage, I&#039;d rather pay mortgage.  At least the house is sort of mine, I can improve it and try to sell it for more than I pay into it.  Mortgage interest is deductable, whereas rent is not.  What I get back in the spring, I try to shove back into my mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father-in-law for most of his life rented.  He didn&#8217;t mean to, but the years slipped by and the next thing he knew, 15 years had passed and he had spent years giving someone else money.</p>
<p>Personally, if I&#8217;m going to pay rent or mortgage, I&#8217;d rather pay mortgage.  At least the house is sort of mine, I can improve it and try to sell it for more than I pay into it.  Mortgage interest is deductable, whereas rent is not.  What I get back in the spring, I try to shove back into my mortgage.</p>
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