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		<title>By: AN</title>
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		<dc:creator>AN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Michael - you are so right.

Every person and situation needs to be considered on its own merits.

While my parents gave up a lot for my childhood and education, they gave me the bill when I started my first full-time job. This included commercial rates of rent for my room backdated to when I turned 18, including time I had studied abroad when they had rented it out to lodgers (but I had to pay &quot;storage&quot; for my desk and bed).

Whenever I stay with them now, I get an invoice for using their spare room (I have only stayed with them once in the past 7 years... it would be MUCH cheaper to get a hotel!).

I feel that they have their finances well enough in hand to look after themselves. I would not discuss their finances with them in case they decide I should shell out for something else I&#039;ve forgotten about from 20 years ago (with interest added). 

So far I have paid them money when they&#039;ve made their demands, but feel that they have lost a child-parent relationship and gained a customer-style acquaintance instead.

Therefore I don&#039;t see myself getting involved if disaster strikes - sounds cold, but I have a sibling who is VERY interested in an inheritance from them, and a strong sense of entitlement to it, and I feel that they deserved to be looked after by someone so commited to their own bottom line.

I can&#039;t see this attitude changing even as age takes its toll - you reap what you sow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael &#8211; you are so right.</p>
<p>Every person and situation needs to be considered on its own merits.</p>
<p>While my parents gave up a lot for my childhood and education, they gave me the bill when I started my first full-time job. This included commercial rates of rent for my room backdated to when I turned 18, including time I had studied abroad when they had rented it out to lodgers (but I had to pay &#8220;storage&#8221; for my desk and bed).</p>
<p>Whenever I stay with them now, I get an invoice for using their spare room (I have only stayed with them once in the past 7 years&#8230; it would be MUCH cheaper to get a hotel!).</p>
<p>I feel that they have their finances well enough in hand to look after themselves. I would not discuss their finances with them in case they decide I should shell out for something else I&#8217;ve forgotten about from 20 years ago (with interest added). </p>
<p>So far I have paid them money when they&#8217;ve made their demands, but feel that they have lost a child-parent relationship and gained a customer-style acquaintance instead.</p>
<p>Therefore I don&#8217;t see myself getting involved if disaster strikes &#8211; sounds cold, but I have a sibling who is VERY interested in an inheritance from them, and a strong sense of entitlement to it, and I feel that they deserved to be looked after by someone so commited to their own bottom line.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see this attitude changing even as age takes its toll &#8211; you reap what you sow.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Tawodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady Tawodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic has always been particularly emotional for me.  I had to start taking care of my father at age 21 when he was told he couldn&#039;t work anymore.  He&#039;s been on Disability ever since and has no retirement, no savings, absolutely nothing.  It&#039;s been hard, but I think my father knows I&#039;d do anything to make sure he always had a place to live.  I just bought us a house to stay in, and though he puts some money down towards the mortgage and helps with a few other builds, I take care of most of the financial blow.  Now we have a place of our own where we can appreciate each other&#039;s company and he never has to worry about where he&#039;ll end up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic has always been particularly emotional for me.  I had to start taking care of my father at age 21 when he was told he couldn&#8217;t work anymore.  He&#8217;s been on Disability ever since and has no retirement, no savings, absolutely nothing.  It&#8217;s been hard, but I think my father knows I&#8217;d do anything to make sure he always had a place to live.  I just bought us a house to stay in, and though he puts some money down towards the mortgage and helps with a few other builds, I take care of most of the financial blow.  Now we have a place of our own where we can appreciate each other&#8217;s company and he never has to worry about where he&#8217;ll end up.</p>
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		<title>By: Pushing30</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pushing30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, this is an excellent post on a topic not widely discussed.  My parents have recently separated after 30 years of marriage and have become much more emotionally dependent on me than I have ever experienced in my life.  It has led me to open my eyes about their future needs and how I might be required to step in and start taking care of them.  Kudos to you for bringing up some great points.  I think the sooner we start opening up and talking the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, this is an excellent post on a topic not widely discussed.  My parents have recently separated after 30 years of marriage and have become much more emotionally dependent on me than I have ever experienced in my life.  It has led me to open my eyes about their future needs and how I might be required to step in and start taking care of them.  Kudos to you for bringing up some great points.  I think the sooner we start opening up and talking the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew La Barbera</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/09/opening-the-door-to-helping-your-parents/comment-page-1/#comment-390739</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew La Barbera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have got to put yourself aside,On the sidelines, sort of,other wise you won&#039;t listen and they won&#039;t talk.My mother died at home.We took care of her till the end.It was touch and go sometimes because both of us,well, &quot;it was my way or the highway&quot;. One of you has to make an effort to forget about yourself or &quot;no one&quot; will listen. I tried to do that,sometimes I was successful,other times I wasn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have got to put yourself aside,On the sidelines, sort of,other wise you won&#8217;t listen and they won&#8217;t talk.My mother died at home.We took care of her till the end.It was touch and go sometimes because both of us,well, &#8220;it was my way or the highway&#8221;. One of you has to make an effort to forget about yourself or &#8220;no one&#8221; will listen. I tried to do that,sometimes I was successful,other times I wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, Great post!  I know how hard these things can be as my husband and I have approached alot of these issues with my parents.  They are living with us paying down their $100,000... wait... yes I said $100,000 in credit card debt.  We have gone through their long term care wishes in the event they need nursing home care.  We have gone through the estate planning talk and they are now working with our estate attorney.  We have gone through their retirement planning and I know they will be set as long as they pay off this debt! It been really good for them and it has brought us closer together.  Now I feel like I will not have to take care of them so much when they get older.  They are in their 60s now and I look forward to the years ahead instead of dreading them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, Great post!  I know how hard these things can be as my husband and I have approached alot of these issues with my parents.  They are living with us paying down their $100,000&#8230; wait&#8230; yes I said $100,000 in credit card debt.  We have gone through their long term care wishes in the event they need nursing home care.  We have gone through the estate planning talk and they are now working with our estate attorney.  We have gone through their retirement planning and I know they will be set as long as they pay off this debt! It been really good for them and it has brought us closer together.  Now I feel like I will not have to take care of them so much when they get older.  They are in their 60s now and I look forward to the years ahead instead of dreading them.</p>
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		<title>By: Beatriz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beatriz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have found that constant vigilance is necessary for our elderly mother&#039;s finances (80 and 86) mainly because there are so many people trying to take advantage of the elderly.  The banks, insurance agents, maintenance people, other relatives, you name it, we&#039;ve had problems with our elderly mothers being lied to, cheated, having their concerns disregarded, sold things they don&#039;t need, etc.  It pays to get involved with their affairs as early as possible and to go with them or be present at any transactions or contract signing.  It&#039;s a really sad state of affairs and the laws don&#039;t protect the elderly adequately against anything, not even physical abuse.  We are learning many things for our own old age!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have found that constant vigilance is necessary for our elderly mother&#8217;s finances (80 and 86) mainly because there are so many people trying to take advantage of the elderly.  The banks, insurance agents, maintenance people, other relatives, you name it, we&#8217;ve had problems with our elderly mothers being lied to, cheated, having their concerns disregarded, sold things they don&#8217;t need, etc.  It pays to get involved with their affairs as early as possible and to go with them or be present at any transactions or contract signing.  It&#8217;s a really sad state of affairs and the laws don&#8217;t protect the elderly adequately against anything, not even physical abuse.  We are learning many things for our own old age!</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad died suddenly this year at 52. It has been a huge adjustment for me as I was 25 and my sister 20 and still has a year of college left. I feel like I&#039;ve aged about 15 years having to take care all of the financial stuff by myself since my mom didn&#039;t have a clue, and honestly, if she did there is a chance emotionally she wouldn&#039;t be able to deal anyway. Here are some things you and your parents should consider, and you should NOT wait until you parents have health issues. My dad was perfectly healthy and then one day, gone.

1) Make sure your parents set up a good life insurance policy especially if one parent brings in more money than the other. That was our saving grace.

2) Set up a will or trust.

3) Parents should teach each other about their finances, how they pay their bills, why they have their accounts set up the way they do, what they pay from what....this was a disaster for my mom. She had absolutely no involvement and it was very hard to train her at 52 to start keeping track of bills. Consider going to some free financial seminars to learn the basics. 

4) Have your parents keep some type of book with all your usernames, passwords, account numbers for your spouse. My father was excellent about this and we were lucky that we could log into all his accounts and track money or pay bills. Even make sure to write down any email addresses.

5) Take an interest in how your parents run their finances in case you have to step in and make some decisions. Discuss how they would like you to handle the future, and what goals they have for each other. Ask them questions about how they pay for big stuff, housing expenses, cars, tuition, healthcare. 

6) Ask your parents if they have any liquid assets if one parent dies before they can access any retirement funds. 

These are just a few things I know would save a lot of headaches and take a lot of stress off of the surviving spouse and family. I am a lot luckier than most since my dad had a lot of stuff set up for my mom, but I couldn&#039;t imagine what we would have done without it. She would probably be living with me or getting a second job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad died suddenly this year at 52. It has been a huge adjustment for me as I was 25 and my sister 20 and still has a year of college left. I feel like I&#8217;ve aged about 15 years having to take care all of the financial stuff by myself since my mom didn&#8217;t have a clue, and honestly, if she did there is a chance emotionally she wouldn&#8217;t be able to deal anyway. Here are some things you and your parents should consider, and you should NOT wait until you parents have health issues. My dad was perfectly healthy and then one day, gone.</p>
<p>1) Make sure your parents set up a good life insurance policy especially if one parent brings in more money than the other. That was our saving grace.</p>
<p>2) Set up a will or trust.</p>
<p>3) Parents should teach each other about their finances, how they pay their bills, why they have their accounts set up the way they do, what they pay from what&#8230;.this was a disaster for my mom. She had absolutely no involvement and it was very hard to train her at 52 to start keeping track of bills. Consider going to some free financial seminars to learn the basics. </p>
<p>4) Have your parents keep some type of book with all your usernames, passwords, account numbers for your spouse. My father was excellent about this and we were lucky that we could log into all his accounts and track money or pay bills. Even make sure to write down any email addresses.</p>
<p>5) Take an interest in how your parents run their finances in case you have to step in and make some decisions. Discuss how they would like you to handle the future, and what goals they have for each other. Ask them questions about how they pay for big stuff, housing expenses, cars, tuition, healthcare. </p>
<p>6) Ask your parents if they have any liquid assets if one parent dies before they can access any retirement funds. </p>
<p>These are just a few things I know would save a lot of headaches and take a lot of stress off of the surviving spouse and family. I am a lot luckier than most since my dad had a lot of stuff set up for my mom, but I couldn&#8217;t imagine what we would have done without it. She would probably be living with me or getting a second job.</p>
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		<title>By: getagrip</title>
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		<dc:creator>getagrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point I haven&#039;t seen mentioned is that you don&#039;t have to discuss all of these issues at once or even in some major family meeting as the article suggests.  Hopefully you&#039;ve got some time to discuss these issues with your parents, and rather than go in there with a potentially overwhelming list of a dozen major things to discuss, one or two at a time may be the another way to handle it.  Maybe spark a conversation about wills and last wishes after dinner one day since you&#039;re thinking of changing yours.  It can open the door for conversation and possible follow up actions without making it a big deal.  I prefer this method, as I&#039;ve been able to get around to my concerns for my mother without having created a potentially charged atmosphere, and frankly this has given her the opportunity to politely change subject and let me know it&#039;s not my business, at least at that time.  What I&#039;ve often found is when the same subject comes up a few weeks or months later, she&#039;s more willing to discuss it and more informed in her opinion.  I think we forget that many folks who get into their 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s really like to mull things over within the filter of their lifetime of experiences, while we&#039;re ready to sign the papers and drop the cash because we&#039;ve already considered and looked at the possibilities even as we&#039;re presenting them to our parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point I haven&#8217;t seen mentioned is that you don&#8217;t have to discuss all of these issues at once or even in some major family meeting as the article suggests.  Hopefully you&#8217;ve got some time to discuss these issues with your parents, and rather than go in there with a potentially overwhelming list of a dozen major things to discuss, one or two at a time may be the another way to handle it.  Maybe spark a conversation about wills and last wishes after dinner one day since you&#8217;re thinking of changing yours.  It can open the door for conversation and possible follow up actions without making it a big deal.  I prefer this method, as I&#8217;ve been able to get around to my concerns for my mother without having created a potentially charged atmosphere, and frankly this has given her the opportunity to politely change subject and let me know it&#8217;s not my business, at least at that time.  What I&#8217;ve often found is when the same subject comes up a few weeks or months later, she&#8217;s more willing to discuss it and more informed in her opinion.  I think we forget that many folks who get into their 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s really like to mull things over within the filter of their lifetime of experiences, while we&#8217;re ready to sign the papers and drop the cash because we&#8217;ve already considered and looked at the possibilities even as we&#8217;re presenting them to our parents.</p>
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		<title>By: getagrip</title>
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		<dc:creator>getagrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Susy, you and DH need to make it plain now in no uncertain terms, that she&#039;d better plan on moving somewhere else than your house.  Such folks always have a way of making you the reason for their problems and the supposed solution as well.  It&#039;s always about what you aren&#039;t doing for them and what you owe them.  They&#039;re insecurities drive them to spend countless hours going over every tit for tat and building up lists heavily weighed in their favor by conviently forgetting all support you&#039;ve ever provided while exaggerating or making up support they&#039;ve provided you.  Don&#039;t fall for it.  Read some books on boundries, get some help from groups dealing with support for family members of alcoholics (if that is appropriate).  But most importantly don&#039;t wait.  Her telling everyone that this is her plan and you not standing tall and telling her no, is her way of guilting and manipulating you two (and the rest of the family) into doing what she wants through your silence.  Keep in mind, there will likely be no level of support that you can give her that will make her happy.  None.  Even if you set her up in a mansion, with private drivers and servants, within a month she&#039;d begin to nag and gripe about what you aren&#039;t doing for her.  So, determine between the two of you what, if any, support you will provide, and lay it out with her.  Don&#039;t wait until it comes to a boiling point and you blow up at some family event, because she&#039;ll just use that to promote victim status.  It isn&#039;t easy, it isn&#039;t fun, and it will likely hurt emotionally, but she is supposed to be an adult as well, and IMHO her *planning* on leeching off of you is not the action of an adult or of a responsible parent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Susy, you and DH need to make it plain now in no uncertain terms, that she&#8217;d better plan on moving somewhere else than your house.  Such folks always have a way of making you the reason for their problems and the supposed solution as well.  It&#8217;s always about what you aren&#8217;t doing for them and what you owe them.  They&#8217;re insecurities drive them to spend countless hours going over every tit for tat and building up lists heavily weighed in their favor by conviently forgetting all support you&#8217;ve ever provided while exaggerating or making up support they&#8217;ve provided you.  Don&#8217;t fall for it.  Read some books on boundries, get some help from groups dealing with support for family members of alcoholics (if that is appropriate).  But most importantly don&#8217;t wait.  Her telling everyone that this is her plan and you not standing tall and telling her no, is her way of guilting and manipulating you two (and the rest of the family) into doing what she wants through your silence.  Keep in mind, there will likely be no level of support that you can give her that will make her happy.  None.  Even if you set her up in a mansion, with private drivers and servants, within a month she&#8217;d begin to nag and gripe about what you aren&#8217;t doing for her.  So, determine between the two of you what, if any, support you will provide, and lay it out with her.  Don&#8217;t wait until it comes to a boiling point and you blow up at some family event, because she&#8217;ll just use that to promote victim status.  It isn&#8217;t easy, it isn&#8217;t fun, and it will likely hurt emotionally, but she is supposed to be an adult as well, and IMHO her *planning* on leeching off of you is not the action of an adult or of a responsible parent.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oo, I can&#039;t imagine having this kind of conversation with my parents for a very long time. And I&#039;m really dreading it because of what it means (they&#039;re ageing and the tables turning.) They are still in their 50&#039;s, working and seemingly a lot healthier and energetic than I feel in my 30&#039;s with two school aged kids! :)

Whilst disaster can strike at any time and life can change in a second, I think for normal healthy people, this kind of conversation is one to have with retired parents in their late 60&#039;s/early 70&#039;s, before health issues come to the surface. My uncle is fit and agile at 72 and I couldn&#039;t imagine my cousin who is the same age as me having this chat quite yet with his father.

But in some families these types of things are discussed all the time. In fact my father in law talked to his children &amp; partners (me) about his funeral wishes at his 60th birthday gathering a couple of years ago and handed out copies of his will!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oo, I can&#8217;t imagine having this kind of conversation with my parents for a very long time. And I&#8217;m really dreading it because of what it means (they&#8217;re ageing and the tables turning.) They are still in their 50&#8217;s, working and seemingly a lot healthier and energetic than I feel in my 30&#8217;s with two school aged kids! :)</p>
<p>Whilst disaster can strike at any time and life can change in a second, I think for normal healthy people, this kind of conversation is one to have with retired parents in their late 60&#8217;s/early 70&#8217;s, before health issues come to the surface. My uncle is fit and agile at 72 and I couldn&#8217;t imagine my cousin who is the same age as me having this chat quite yet with his father.</p>
<p>But in some families these types of things are discussed all the time. In fact my father in law talked to his children &amp; partners (me) about his funeral wishes at his 60th birthday gathering a couple of years ago and handed out copies of his will!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illness can sneak up on you.

We didn&#039;t realize anything was wrong with mom until she had trouble even dialing the phone in her 40s.

Some diseases like dementia require you to step in and be assertive - hopefully there are advanced directives, because guardianship proceedings are expensive and emotionally draining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illness can sneak up on you.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t realize anything was wrong with mom until she had trouble even dialing the phone in her 40s.</p>
<p>Some diseases like dementia require you to step in and be assertive &#8211; hopefully there are advanced directives, because guardianship proceedings are expensive and emotionally draining.</p>
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		<title>By: almost there</title>
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		<dc:creator>almost there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember in 1984 when this was said?:

Elderly people who are terminally ill have a &#039;&#039;duty to die and get out of the way&#039;&#039; instead of trying to prolong their lives by artificial means, Gov. Richard D. Lamm of Colorado said Tuesday. 

People who die without having life artificially extended are similar to &#039;&#039;leaves falling off a tree and forming humus for the other plants to grow up,&#039;&#039; the Governor told a meeting of the Colorado Health Lawyers Association at St. Joseph&#039;s Hospital. 

&#039;&#039;You&#039;ve got a duty to die and get out of the way,&#039;&#039; said the 48-year-old Governor. &#039;&#039;Let the other society, our kids, build a reasonable life.&#039;&#039; 

My dad stays alive in order to provide retirement for my mom.  When he dies his pension stops and she will have to rely on me, her son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember in 1984 when this was said?:</p>
<p>Elderly people who are terminally ill have a &#8221;duty to die and get out of the way&#8221; instead of trying to prolong their lives by artificial means, Gov. Richard D. Lamm of Colorado said Tuesday. </p>
<p>People who die without having life artificially extended are similar to &#8221;leaves falling off a tree and forming humus for the other plants to grow up,&#8221; the Governor told a meeting of the Colorado Health Lawyers Association at St. Joseph&#8217;s Hospital. </p>
<p>&#8221;You&#8217;ve got a duty to die and get out of the way,&#8221; said the 48-year-old Governor. &#8221;Let the other society, our kids, build a reasonable life.&#8221; </p>
<p>My dad stays alive in order to provide retirement for my mom.  When he dies his pension stops and she will have to rely on me, her son.</p>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/09/opening-the-door-to-helping-your-parents/comment-page-1/#comment-390296</link>
		<dc:creator>ML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Joe and Sally have valid points.  As someone currently in this situation with two parents who are older (67 and 80) and not in good health, it really is a balancing act.  As their child, I will do anything for them.  However, sometimes it can be so draining that I feel that they should have handled their financial affairs better.  Then, I sit down and really think about it.  They really went above and beyond for me, providing me with all the necessities including helping me through a top-notch university.  My parents helped me become what I am today at their own peril.  Even though sometimes it can be really draining emotionally and physically, I remember all that they did for my sister and I.  However,  if I ever become a parent I would not want my child(ren) to go through what my sister and I have had to.  With that said, I think parents have to do all that they can do for their children, but also save for their own retirement.  Easier said than done in these hard times we live in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Joe and Sally have valid points.  As someone currently in this situation with two parents who are older (67 and 80) and not in good health, it really is a balancing act.  As their child, I will do anything for them.  However, sometimes it can be so draining that I feel that they should have handled their financial affairs better.  Then, I sit down and really think about it.  They really went above and beyond for me, providing me with all the necessities including helping me through a top-notch university.  My parents helped me become what I am today at their own peril.  Even though sometimes it can be really draining emotionally and physically, I remember all that they did for my sister and I.  However,  if I ever become a parent I would not want my child(ren) to go through what my sister and I have had to.  With that said, I think parents have to do all that they can do for their children, but also save for their own retirement.  Easier said than done in these hard times we live in!</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/09/opening-the-door-to-helping-your-parents/comment-page-1/#comment-390134</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought my father-in-law had done a pretty good job with this w/r/t his folks.  He had a handle on their income and expenses (even from across the country) and kept the other siblings in the loop.  They were able to communicate little &quot;extras&quot; that were needed over the years-- one time they all pitches in to get grandma new wall-papering downstairs, as she and grandpa were way past the age they could do it themselves.

But they never went over ALL the books with a fine-toothed comb.  After grandpa&#039;s rapid decline and death a few months ago, f-i-l had to really step in and go through everything because there was much more paperwork than grandma could handle, plus she really needed to move to light assisted living.  Buried in the reams of paperwork was a LOT more money than anybody had known about-- small, community-based life insurance funds, purchased piecemeal through the 1950s, 60s and 70s, had snowballed into about 500K.  While grandma and grandpa were always, always depression-era penny pinchers, I think even THEY would have splurged a little bit if they&#039;d known they could have sprung for a cruise or two while they were still mobile enough to enjoy it.  It&#039;s amazing how these things get forgotten over the years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought my father-in-law had done a pretty good job with this w/r/t his folks.  He had a handle on their income and expenses (even from across the country) and kept the other siblings in the loop.  They were able to communicate little &#8220;extras&#8221; that were needed over the years&#8211; one time they all pitches in to get grandma new wall-papering downstairs, as she and grandpa were way past the age they could do it themselves.</p>
<p>But they never went over ALL the books with a fine-toothed comb.  After grandpa&#8217;s rapid decline and death a few months ago, f-i-l had to really step in and go through everything because there was much more paperwork than grandma could handle, plus she really needed to move to light assisted living.  Buried in the reams of paperwork was a LOT more money than anybody had known about&#8211; small, community-based life insurance funds, purchased piecemeal through the 1950s, 60s and 70s, had snowballed into about 500K.  While grandma and grandpa were always, always depression-era penny pinchers, I think even THEY would have splurged a little bit if they&#8217;d known they could have sprung for a cruise or two while they were still mobile enough to enjoy it.  It&#8217;s amazing how these things get forgotten over the years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/09/opening-the-door-to-helping-your-parents/comment-page-1/#comment-390112</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently heard someone say that we spend more years taking care of our parents than we do taking care of our children.

I put a lot of effort into raising my daughter. I can anticipate that taking care of parents will also require lots of tough decisions and research. I am looking forward to it and hope that my position in life enables me to do the things I want and spend the time I want with and caring for my parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently heard someone say that we spend more years taking care of our parents than we do taking care of our children.</p>
<p>I put a lot of effort into raising my daughter. I can anticipate that taking care of parents will also require lots of tough decisions and research. I am looking forward to it and hope that my position in life enables me to do the things I want and spend the time I want with and caring for my parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add one suggestion (to this really good article) after seeing my momgo through this recently.  If the involved siblings have a good relationship (and the 3 in question do; they all simply want what is best for their mother) then don&#039;t be offended if the parent has subjects s/he only discusses with each.  Despite constantly fretting to 2 siblings about money, she would only sit down with her financial adviser to look at the real numbers with the 3rd sibling.  Does it make sense?  Nope.  Does it have to?  Nope.  Sibling 3 helped reassure her everything was fine and was able to then talk with the other 2 siblings about their mom&#039;s financial situation.  She only wanted to talk about the nitty-gritty details of downsizing with my mom who then had to fill her sibs in on it.  I think the fact that the 3 of them were able to put ego aside and just work within her parameters made the process a lot easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add one suggestion (to this really good article) after seeing my momgo through this recently.  If the involved siblings have a good relationship (and the 3 in question do; they all simply want what is best for their mother) then don&#8217;t be offended if the parent has subjects s/he only discusses with each.  Despite constantly fretting to 2 siblings about money, she would only sit down with her financial adviser to look at the real numbers with the 3rd sibling.  Does it make sense?  Nope.  Does it have to?  Nope.  Sibling 3 helped reassure her everything was fine and was able to then talk with the other 2 siblings about their mom&#8217;s financial situation.  She only wanted to talk about the nitty-gritty details of downsizing with my mom who then had to fill her sibs in on it.  I think the fact that the 3 of them were able to put ego aside and just work within her parameters made the process a lot easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it is better to know your parents wishes, whether they want life sustaining measures, where the money is - how&#039;s i&#039;s to be allocated, etc. However, I guess it&#039;s a timing issue as well - and it depends on the kind of relationship that you have with your parents.    It&#039;s about being willing as a parent to have some transparency with your children.  And as a lot of adult children are finding out - this isn&#039;t an easy road. And of course I would help with moving, etc.  I am speaking more about the concepts involving your parents and their money, wishes, expectations.....their life.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it is better to know your parents wishes, whether they want life sustaining measures, where the money is &#8211; how&#8217;s i&#8217;s to be allocated, etc. However, I guess it&#8217;s a timing issue as well &#8211; and it depends on the kind of relationship that you have with your parents.    It&#8217;s about being willing as a parent to have some transparency with your children.  And as a lot of adult children are finding out &#8211; this isn&#8217;t an easy road. And of course I would help with moving, etc.  I am speaking more about the concepts involving your parents and their money, wishes, expectations&#8230;..their life&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jeannie</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/09/opening-the-door-to-helping-your-parents/comment-page-1/#comment-390086</link>
		<dc:creator>jeannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a reader of this blog for a year or so, as well as several other financial and frugal living type of blogs. My mother is 86 and lives in a retirement apartment.  I am also a retiree who will become eligible for Medicare next month, and the DH turned 70 last summer, so that gives me a somewhat different persepective from some of the rest of you. We raised 4 children and buried one of them, which is the saddest thing any parent will ever have to do. 

This is not the first time I&#039;ve seen this sort of topic come up as younger people stuggle to find the right approach to helping their parents or family members with respect to their financial planning and or management.  However...caution please!  We (the senior population) are not all totally ignorant of the facts, nor have we not thought about our current and future situations.  My mother at 86 is totally independent in her money management.  What do I know about her situation?  I know that she has a will carefully crafted to provide (if there is anything left after her life expenses are covered) for my disabled 61 year old sister and the remainder to me, whatever that may be.  I know that she has health care insurance, long term care insurance, savings in CDs and one very conservative annuity (don&#039;t ask me why...she wanted it, that&#039;s why), and her funeral is planned and paid for.  Other than that, I do NOT know how much comes in each month from her (actually my father&#039;s) SS, and from her two small pensions, and I don&#039;t know how much money she has in her checking account.  I know that I am the executor of her estate, and that she has a living will and a power of attorney document in place.  She does worry about outliving her money, but she worries about everything, including whether it will rain too much for the farmers to get their crops in and she was never a farmer in her life! She has chosen to move to a retirement apartment and can transition into their nursing home should that ever become necessary.  She was widowed at age 67 and both of my parents worked all of their lives.

My situation is different, as is every single person or parent.  Some will need more help than others and will want it and welcome it.  On the other hand, if one of my kids came into our home and tried to tell us what to do, I can assure you I&#039;d tell them to take a hike!! Likewise, we&#039;ve provided them with enough information to make sure they can deal with our estate when that is necessary. They&#039;re welcome to come see us any time and to visit and to have good family times, but frankly, just because I&#039;m 65 and my DH is 70 doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re out to pasture yet!! They all know we have a will, who the executor is, that we want to be cremated, etc., etc. And just to be ornery, I&#039;m thinking about amending the will and adding a clause that requires them to trade off keeping our cremains in their homes for 5 or so years after we die.

Sorry about the length of this one, but this can be a really tender topic with parents, so I urge you to all tread very carefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a reader of this blog for a year or so, as well as several other financial and frugal living type of blogs. My mother is 86 and lives in a retirement apartment.  I am also a retiree who will become eligible for Medicare next month, and the DH turned 70 last summer, so that gives me a somewhat different persepective from some of the rest of you. We raised 4 children and buried one of them, which is the saddest thing any parent will ever have to do. </p>
<p>This is not the first time I&#8217;ve seen this sort of topic come up as younger people stuggle to find the right approach to helping their parents or family members with respect to their financial planning and or management.  However&#8230;caution please!  We (the senior population) are not all totally ignorant of the facts, nor have we not thought about our current and future situations.  My mother at 86 is totally independent in her money management.  What do I know about her situation?  I know that she has a will carefully crafted to provide (if there is anything left after her life expenses are covered) for my disabled 61 year old sister and the remainder to me, whatever that may be.  I know that she has health care insurance, long term care insurance, savings in CDs and one very conservative annuity (don&#8217;t ask me why&#8230;she wanted it, that&#8217;s why), and her funeral is planned and paid for.  Other than that, I do NOT know how much comes in each month from her (actually my father&#8217;s) SS, and from her two small pensions, and I don&#8217;t know how much money she has in her checking account.  I know that I am the executor of her estate, and that she has a living will and a power of attorney document in place.  She does worry about outliving her money, but she worries about everything, including whether it will rain too much for the farmers to get their crops in and she was never a farmer in her life! She has chosen to move to a retirement apartment and can transition into their nursing home should that ever become necessary.  She was widowed at age 67 and both of my parents worked all of their lives.</p>
<p>My situation is different, as is every single person or parent.  Some will need more help than others and will want it and welcome it.  On the other hand, if one of my kids came into our home and tried to tell us what to do, I can assure you I&#8217;d tell them to take a hike!! Likewise, we&#8217;ve provided them with enough information to make sure they can deal with our estate when that is necessary. They&#8217;re welcome to come see us any time and to visit and to have good family times, but frankly, just because I&#8217;m 65 and my DH is 70 doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re out to pasture yet!! They all know we have a will, who the executor is, that we want to be cremated, etc., etc. And just to be ornery, I&#8217;m thinking about amending the will and adding a clause that requires them to trade off keeping our cremains in their homes for 5 or so years after we die.</p>
<p>Sorry about the length of this one, but this can be a really tender topic with parents, so I urge you to all tread very carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally - it should be the parents&#039; responsibility, and I think Trent indicates that at least implicitly.  However, they could have everything in order but someone has to have the talk with them to know who their lawyer is, where the will/trust documents are, where the healthcare directive is, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally &#8211; it should be the parents&#8217; responsibility, and I think Trent indicates that at least implicitly.  However, they could have everything in order but someone has to have the talk with them to know who their lawyer is, where the will/trust documents are, where the healthcare directive is, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SP: I imagine the reason Trent is focusing on listening rather than pushing plans is that parents are adults.  Treating them like children who need to be told what is best for them is only going to breed resistance.  If you manage to convey to your parents that you respect their autonomy and only want to help them reach their own goals, they are much more likely in the end to listen to your suggestions when you do make them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SP: I imagine the reason Trent is focusing on listening rather than pushing plans is that parents are adults.  Treating them like children who need to be told what is best for them is only going to breed resistance.  If you manage to convey to your parents that you respect their autonomy and only want to help them reach their own goals, they are much more likely in the end to listen to your suggestions when you do make them.</p>
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