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		<title>By: Amused</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/19/review-beyond-paycheck-to-paycheck/#comment-403173</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Ira Roth would be a great name for a congressman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Ira Roth would be a great name for a congressman.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/19/review-beyond-paycheck-to-paycheck/#comment-397939</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree about using a CPA for tax preparation - but I may be a little biased :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree about using a CPA for tax preparation &#8211; but I may be a little biased :)</p>
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		<title>By: Limewater</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/19/review-beyond-paycheck-to-paycheck/#comment-397876</link>
		<dc:creator>Limewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;That was a direct quote from the book, not *my* inflation illustration.&quot;

D&#039;oh!  You&#039;re right!  Sorry about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That was a direct quote from the book, not *my* inflation illustration.&#8221;</p>
<p>D&#8217;oh!  You&#8217;re right!  Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: getagrip</title>
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		<dc:creator>getagrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The fact that basic personal finance needs to be repeated in so many ways signals that there simply isn’t adequate personal finance education going on in schools. Where is the basic consumer education?”

This type of statement as often presented as an absolute given but I frankly find it a lame excuse to lay blame away from personal responsibility.  In elementary schools the kids learn basic math and often cash is used as the real world example.  Middle school math expands on this and often has compounding interest examples, which is included in various forms up through the one year of math which most states require high school students take.  So its not like they don&#039;t know about the &quot;power of compound interest&quot; or money in general.  In our area schools they&#039;ve replaced the &quot;home economics&quot; cooking class with a class to address home life issues, to include creating a budget and a consumer spending section.  While they don&#039;t belabor being out of debt, the idea of living within your means is covered.  Often, in social studies classes, you get exposed to business ideas, stock investing, capitolism versus socilism, etc.  Honestly, I got a lot of this back when I was in middle and high school many years ago and do remember the exposure to it.

So essentially the basics are out there and provided.  That people blow them off, ignore them, or conviently forget them, is not necessarily the school&#039;s fault any more than someone saying they don&#039;t know the rules to football, even though they had gym sessions in it three years running in middle and high school.  I mean, for crying out loud how many sixth graders know the basics for writing a letter or paper and yet how many adults couldn&#039;t come close because they can&#039;t be bothered to look it up.  

For the most part people chose to forget those things that don&#039;t interest them, and the basics of personal finance aren&#039;t particularly interesting to a 14 year old who&#039;s stream of real income comes from Mom and Dad.  That interest sadly comes later to most of us when we have to deal with the real world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The fact that basic personal finance needs to be repeated in so many ways signals that there simply isn’t adequate personal finance education going on in schools. Where is the basic consumer education?”</p>
<p>This type of statement as often presented as an absolute given but I frankly find it a lame excuse to lay blame away from personal responsibility.  In elementary schools the kids learn basic math and often cash is used as the real world example.  Middle school math expands on this and often has compounding interest examples, which is included in various forms up through the one year of math which most states require high school students take.  So its not like they don&#8217;t know about the &#8220;power of compound interest&#8221; or money in general.  In our area schools they&#8217;ve replaced the &#8220;home economics&#8221; cooking class with a class to address home life issues, to include creating a budget and a consumer spending section.  While they don&#8217;t belabor being out of debt, the idea of living within your means is covered.  Often, in social studies classes, you get exposed to business ideas, stock investing, capitolism versus socilism, etc.  Honestly, I got a lot of this back when I was in middle and high school many years ago and do remember the exposure to it.</p>
<p>So essentially the basics are out there and provided.  That people blow them off, ignore them, or conviently forget them, is not necessarily the school&#8217;s fault any more than someone saying they don&#8217;t know the rules to football, even though they had gym sessions in it three years running in middle and high school.  I mean, for crying out loud how many sixth graders know the basics for writing a letter or paper and yet how many adults couldn&#8217;t come close because they can&#8217;t be bothered to look it up.  </p>
<p>For the most part people chose to forget those things that don&#8217;t interest them, and the basics of personal finance aren&#8217;t particularly interesting to a 14 year old who&#8217;s stream of real income comes from Mom and Dad.  That interest sadly comes later to most of us when we have to deal with the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Writer's Coin</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/19/review-beyond-paycheck-to-paycheck/#comment-397840</link>
		<dc:creator>Writer's Coin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, do you ever get sick of reading PF books? What was the last non-money book you read?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, do you ever get sick of reading PF books? What was the last non-money book you read?</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m curious as to why you think this stuff should be taught in school... I mean, do you want the schools to teach how to cook a meal, plan a menu, grocery shop, mow the lawn, put gas in your car, keep track of oil changes and tire rotations, and oh, you ought to clean your gutters, paint your house now and then, clean your furnace filters, etc. ?  This is something parents should teach. And if they don&#039;t, then look around, read, and learn. Your parents will never teach you everything. The schools will never teach you everything. Schools should teach you how to LEARN so you can learn on your own what you need to know, including personal finance stuff, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious as to why you think this stuff should be taught in school&#8230; I mean, do you want the schools to teach how to cook a meal, plan a menu, grocery shop, mow the lawn, put gas in your car, keep track of oil changes and tire rotations, and oh, you ought to clean your gutters, paint your house now and then, clean your furnace filters, etc. ?  This is something parents should teach. And if they don&#8217;t, then look around, read, and learn. Your parents will never teach you everything. The schools will never teach you everything. Schools should teach you how to LEARN so you can learn on your own what you need to know, including personal finance stuff, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Your inflation illustration is pretty misleading. Inflation was pretty miniscule until the last century or so, especially since the United States has adopted fiat currency.

I could be missing something, and I’m sure a historian could correct me, but I think we’re looking at closer to $1000 2008 dollars for Manhattan rather than 77 million.&quot;

That was a direct quote from the book, not *my* inflation illustration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your inflation illustration is pretty misleading. Inflation was pretty miniscule until the last century or so, especially since the United States has adopted fiat currency.</p>
<p>I could be missing something, and I’m sure a historian could correct me, but I think we’re looking at closer to $1000 2008 dollars for Manhattan rather than 77 million.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was a direct quote from the book, not *my* inflation illustration.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The fact that basic personal finance needs to be repeated in so many ways signals that there simply isn’t adequate personal finance education going on in schools. Where is the basic consumer education?&quot;

Finance education is missing, but there is plenty of basic consumer education... they are called advertisements... buy, buy, buy!

Or did you mean good basic consumer education to counter that force?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact that basic personal finance needs to be repeated in so many ways signals that there simply isn’t adequate personal finance education going on in schools. Where is the basic consumer education?&#8221;</p>
<p>Finance education is missing, but there is plenty of basic consumer education&#8230; they are called advertisements&#8230; buy, buy, buy!</p>
<p>Or did you mean good basic consumer education to counter that force?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent,
Thanks so much for that review! (I spotted it on INGs website and suggested it Sep 28.)
It does seem like it would be a bit too entry-level for my own reading, so I&#039;ll probably dig into something a little meatier. I still have about 85% of _The Bogleheads&#039; Guide to Investing_ left to read, largle because it got fairly dense fairly quickly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent,<br />
Thanks so much for that review! (I spotted it on INGs website and suggested it Sep 28.)<br />
It does seem like it would be a bit too entry-level for my own reading, so I&#8217;ll probably dig into something a little meatier. I still have about 85% of _The Bogleheads&#8217; Guide to Investing_ left to read, largle because it got fairly dense fairly quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Roth &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; my senator for most of my life. Delaware in da house! (sorry, I couldn&#039;t resist.)

As for taxes, I&#039;m going to be talking to a CPA this year at least. It&#039;s my first year with lots of blogging/freelance income and I want to do it right. Depending on how things go, I may do them in the future.

Before, I always did my taxes myself: manually when I was single and had 2 jobs (one school, one home) and then using software once I got married and had to deal with a bunch of paychecks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Roth <em>was</em> my senator for most of my life. Delaware in da house! (sorry, I couldn&#8217;t resist.)</p>
<p>As for taxes, I&#8217;m going to be talking to a CPA this year at least. It&#8217;s my first year with lots of blogging/freelance income and I want to do it right. Depending on how things go, I may do them in the future.</p>
<p>Before, I always did my taxes myself: manually when I was single and had 2 jobs (one school, one home) and then using software once I got married and had to deal with a bunch of paychecks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did my own taxes until I started my own business.  I know squat about business taxes except that I need to pay them, so I asked another small business owner for a recommendation for a tax preparer.  Best thing I ever did.  The CPA found it interesting (because it was tough, with income taxes owed to two states and various municipalities) and gave me some pointers on running a small business- he owns his practice.  Well worth the money spent.  Like Erica above, I strongly recommend consulting a CPA for taxes, and I suggest talking to a CPA well before tax time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did my own taxes until I started my own business.  I know squat about business taxes except that I need to pay them, so I asked another small business owner for a recommendation for a tax preparer.  Best thing I ever did.  The CPA found it interesting (because it was tough, with income taxes owed to two states and various municipalities) and gave me some pointers on running a small business- he owns his practice.  Well worth the money spent.  Like Erica above, I strongly recommend consulting a CPA for taxes, and I suggest talking to a CPA well before tax time.</p>
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		<title>By: Limewater</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/19/review-beyond-paycheck-to-paycheck/#comment-397415</link>
		<dc:creator>Limewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I&#039;m going to play &quot;Comic Book Guy&quot; for this post.

Your inflation illustration is pretty misleading.  Inflation was pretty miniscule until the last century or so, especially since the United States has adopted fiat currency.

I could be missing something, and I&#039;m sure a historian could correct me, but I think we&#039;re looking at closer to $1000 2008 dollars for Manhattan rather than 77 million.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m going to play &#8220;Comic Book Guy&#8221; for this post.</p>
<p>Your inflation illustration is pretty misleading.  Inflation was pretty miniscule until the last century or so, especially since the United States has adopted fiat currency.</p>
<p>I could be missing something, and I&#8217;m sure a historian could correct me, but I think we&#8217;re looking at closer to $1000 2008 dollars for Manhattan rather than 77 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Douglass</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/10/19/review-beyond-paycheck-to-paycheck/#comment-397413</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You write: &quot;you should at least try to do your own taxes...&quot;

I strongly disagree with this if you own your own business or are thinking of starting one. I made this mistake when I first started my business and it has cost me tens of thousands of dollars. There are complicated writeoffs and depreciation schedules that a CPA can find for you that you likely won&#039;t know about. Even TurboTax won&#039;t help you if you&#039;re doing more than filing a simplistic schedule C.

If you are a salaried employee and that&#039;s the only money you make, the cheap tax prep software will work fine for you. But this is terrible advice for anyone who has rental property, manages a small business, or makes consulting income on the side. Take it from someone who lost a LOT of money trying to save a little bit.

-Erica]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You write: &#8220;you should at least try to do your own taxes&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I strongly disagree with this if you own your own business or are thinking of starting one. I made this mistake when I first started my business and it has cost me tens of thousands of dollars. There are complicated writeoffs and depreciation schedules that a CPA can find for you that you likely won&#8217;t know about. Even TurboTax won&#8217;t help you if you&#8217;re doing more than filing a simplistic schedule C.</p>
<p>If you are a salaried employee and that&#8217;s the only money you make, the cheap tax prep software will work fine for you. But this is terrible advice for anyone who has rental property, manages a small business, or makes consulting income on the side. Take it from someone who lost a LOT of money trying to save a little bit.</p>
<p>-Erica</p>
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		<title>By: A Dawn Jornal</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Dawn Jornal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To beat the inflation, a diversified portfolio invested in quality equities is required. Buffett wrote an op-ed post in The New York Times on Oct 16. In this post, Buffett stated that he is getting rid of cash (lots of it) and buying stocks. He said, &quot;Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable. They shouldn’t. They have opted for a terrible long-term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value.”
Cheers,
A Dawn
www.adawnjournal.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To beat the inflation, a diversified portfolio invested in quality equities is required. Buffett wrote an op-ed post in The New York Times on Oct 16. In this post, Buffett stated that he is getting rid of cash (lots of it) and buying stocks. He said, &#8220;Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable. They shouldn’t. They have opted for a terrible long-term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value.”<br />
Cheers,<br />
A Dawn<br />
<a href="http://www.adawnjournal.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.adawnjournal.com</a></p>
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