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	<title>Comments on: Review: Outliers</title>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-688078</link>
		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just finished this book - fantastic.  I highly recommend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished this book &#8211; fantastic.  I highly recommend it.</p>
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		<title>By: TStrump</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-439375</link>
		<dc:creator>TStrump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming from a low-income family, I can certainly identify with the concept of &#039;falling behind&#039;
While I did very well in school, we couldn&#039;t afford to be involved in sports or all those cool summer programs, so I was really behind socially by the time I turned 19 - this definitely affected my early &#039;success&#039; in life.
To overcome it, I&#039;ve simply had to work harder and got give up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from a low-income family, I can certainly identify with the concept of &#8216;falling behind&#8217;<br />
While I did very well in school, we couldn&#8217;t afford to be involved in sports or all those cool summer programs, so I was really behind socially by the time I turned 19 &#8211; this definitely affected my early &#8217;success&#8217; in life.<br />
To overcome it, I&#8217;ve simply had to work harder and got give up.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-437119</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Gladwell&#039;s book was excellent. I wrote my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.paunchiness.com/i-finished-outliers-last-night/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;review of Outliers&lt;/a&gt; on my blog. 

I am currently working on my 10k hours as a writer. I&#039;m confident I will get good at it someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Gladwell&#8217;s book was excellent. I wrote my <a href="http://www.paunchiness.com/i-finished-outliers-last-night/" rel="nofollow">review of Outliers</a> on my blog. </p>
<p>I am currently working on my 10k hours as a writer. I&#8217;m confident I will get good at it someday.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-435710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read and thoroughly enjoyed this book a few weeks ago.The real takeaway from this book is that success nearly always requires a lot of help in addition to serious quantities of hard work and luck (being born in the right time and place to take advantage of opportunities).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read and thoroughly enjoyed this book a few weeks ago.The real takeaway from this book is that success nearly always requires a lot of help in addition to serious quantities of hard work and luck (being born in the right time and place to take advantage of opportunities).</p>
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		<title>By: plonkee</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-435317</link>
		<dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 10,000 thing is well documented. In classical music that&#039;s approximately the amount of time that you&#039;d have practiced once you&#039;d finished your masters degree at a specialist music college - professional level, not genius level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 10,000 thing is well documented. In classical music that&#8217;s approximately the amount of time that you&#8217;d have practiced once you&#8217;d finished your masters degree at a specialist music college &#8211; professional level, not genius level.</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This book is in my wish list. Thank you for this article. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book is in my wish list. Thank you for this article. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Lemonhead</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-434408</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemonhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just finished this book and found it to be riveting (but then I like all Gladwell&#039;s books). Gladwell really has a way of making a topic interesting and understandable and I completely agree with him as to the idea of 10,000 hours making the difference between good and great. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger and my sister and i were the only ones on our swim team who bothered to get up and train every weekday morning and come in early for evening practice to do weights. We spent a lot of hours reading mind-body materials etc and just were totally consumed by swimming. Out of our swimming club, we were the only ones to be awarded substantial swimming scholarships to university. 
And we did this from England -- unusual. 

But like Gladwell writes, it wasn&#039;t because we were stupendous. We just had a combination of things - supportive parents, enough money to travel, a good coach, some talent and a lot of hard work. 

I am going to see how I can get my 10,000 hours in on something else now -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just finished this book and found it to be riveting (but then I like all Gladwell&#8217;s books). Gladwell really has a way of making a topic interesting and understandable and I completely agree with him as to the idea of 10,000 hours making the difference between good and great. I was a competitive swimmer when I was younger and my sister and i were the only ones on our swim team who bothered to get up and train every weekday morning and come in early for evening practice to do weights. We spent a lot of hours reading mind-body materials etc and just were totally consumed by swimming. Out of our swimming club, we were the only ones to be awarded substantial swimming scholarships to university.<br />
And we did this from England &#8212; unusual. </p>
<p>But like Gladwell writes, it wasn&#8217;t because we were stupendous. We just had a combination of things &#8211; supportive parents, enough money to travel, a good coach, some talent and a lot of hard work. </p>
<p>I am going to see how I can get my 10,000 hours in on something else now -</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review Trent!

I went to college with many people from the greater Harlan area... it is a very different society and was an eye opening change from suburban Cleveland / Akron area.

I didn&#039;t realize that flush toilets were still a sign of wealth or that methane in a water supply could be seen as just the cost of living with an oil well in the back yard that taps through the water supply.

I try and remember the people and conditions everywhere I go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review Trent!</p>
<p>I went to college with many people from the greater Harlan area&#8230; it is a very different society and was an eye opening change from suburban Cleveland / Akron area.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that flush toilets were still a sign of wealth or that methane in a water supply could be seen as just the cost of living with an oil well in the back yard that taps through the water supply.</p>
<p>I try and remember the people and conditions everywhere I go.</p>
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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-433765</link>
		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was really interesting how Gladwell&#039;s Tipping Point did exactly what it said on the tin, and went from being an underground book to absolutely everywhere, overnight.

In contrast, my big joke with Blink was I read the back cover and knew all I needed to know. (Okay, it&#039;s a geeky joke!)

Did Gladwell cover himself in the book? He&#039;s quite an outlier himself these days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was really interesting how Gladwell&#8217;s Tipping Point did exactly what it said on the tin, and went from being an underground book to absolutely everywhere, overnight.</p>
<p>In contrast, my big joke with Blink was I read the back cover and knew all I needed to know. (Okay, it&#8217;s a geeky joke!)</p>
<p>Did Gladwell cover himself in the book? He&#8217;s quite an outlier himself these days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ranga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good review. On the subject of 10000 hours, this article is more interesting and lots motivating:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391794/index.htm

--snip--
Research now shows that the lack of natural talent is irrelevant to great success. The secret? Painful and demanding practice and hard work...
Elite performers in many diverse domains have been found to practice, on the average, roughly the same amount every day, including weekends....
Many great athletes are legendary for the brutal discipline of their practice routines....

--snip--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good review. On the subject of 10000 hours, this article is more interesting and lots motivating:<br />
<a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391794/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391794/index.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8211;snip&#8211;<br />
Research now shows that the lack of natural talent is irrelevant to great success. The secret? Painful and demanding practice and hard work&#8230;<br />
Elite performers in many diverse domains have been found to practice, on the average, roughly the same amount every day, including weekends&#8230;.<br />
Many great athletes are legendary for the brutal discipline of their practice routines&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8211;snip&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What shone through was Aristotle&#039;s conclusion that good birth determines the quality of a person more than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What shone through was Aristotle&#8217;s conclusion that good birth determines the quality of a person more than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Havana</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-433666</link>
		<dc:creator>Havana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/divided/etc/view.html

Trent, you should check out this Frontline documentary if you&#039;re interested in how culture and society affects success. :) It&#039;s a doc on an experiment a teacher did it her students in which she had one group of kids assigned as the &quot;better group&quot; and another group as the underdogs. It&#039;s crazy to see how fast their behaviors change. More surprisingly is how adults acted in the same experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/divided/etc/view.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/divided/etc/view.html</a></p>
<p>Trent, you should check out this Frontline documentary if you&#8217;re interested in how culture and society affects success. :) It&#8217;s a doc on an experiment a teacher did it her students in which she had one group of kids assigned as the &#8220;better group&#8221; and another group as the underdogs. It&#8217;s crazy to see how fast their behaviors change. More surprisingly is how adults acted in the same experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny Squeaker</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-433622</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny Squeaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Trent,

Two of your articles are posted in today&#039;s online webportal @ WSJ personal finance section toward bottom right section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Trent,</p>
<p>Two of your articles are posted in today&#8217;s online webportal @ WSJ personal finance section toward bottom right section.</p>
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		<title>By: getagrip</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/07/review-outliers/comment-page-1/#comment-433587</link>
		<dc:creator>getagrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Shevy   While no expert at the subject I believe math is difficult for two primary reasons.  First because it deals with abstract issues, particularly as you go higher in grade levels.  Secondly it isn&#039;t actually necessary for survival whereas communication is (speaking and understanding) and we are genetically geared towards learning it.  

Also, you&#039;re mixing up reading and writing with speaking and understanding and then compairing it to learning math.  Learning to read and write, even at a basic level, is not particularly easy and takes plenty of time and practice as well (which you will soon learn with your five year old :-).  Even ripping off this short note is an example of likely grammatical and spelling mistakes, which most folks overlook since we &quot;get&quot; the intent and the point of the communication and it&#039;s really not worth our time to point out others errors on a blog comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shevy   While no expert at the subject I believe math is difficult for two primary reasons.  First because it deals with abstract issues, particularly as you go higher in grade levels.  Secondly it isn&#8217;t actually necessary for survival whereas communication is (speaking and understanding) and we are genetically geared towards learning it.  </p>
<p>Also, you&#8217;re mixing up reading and writing with speaking and understanding and then compairing it to learning math.  Learning to read and write, even at a basic level, is not particularly easy and takes plenty of time and practice as well (which you will soon learn with your five year old :-).  Even ripping off this short note is an example of likely grammatical and spelling mistakes, which most folks overlook since we &#8220;get&#8221; the intent and the point of the communication and it&#8217;s really not worth our time to point out others errors on a blog comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thorough review - I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m now tantalised to read the book or whether you&#039;ve already told me the punchline and I don&#039;t need to read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thorough review &#8211; I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m now tantalised to read the book or whether you&#8217;ve already told me the punchline and I don&#8217;t need to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shevy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shevy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While sbt&#039;s comment on the educational system in certain Asian countries is a large part of why we perceive Asian students to be so much more academically successful, there is another aspect to math that should be brought up.

That is, why aren&#039;t we all brilliant in math?

Math has ten numbers, 0 through 9 that are combined in a strict pattern.  Math rules are totally regular and can be expressed in formulas.

In contrast, the English language has 26 letters, some of which have the same sound, others of which can sound different when they appear twice in the same word (i.e. the &quot;g&quot;s in &quot;garage&quot;), silent letters, dipthongs, homonyms, irregular verbs, etc.  In particular, the &quot;ough&quot; letter combination is pronounced differently in the words through, though, plough and trough.  Yet my 5 year old speaks English quite fluently!

So why do we generally have so much trouble with math?  It really should be as easy as falling off a log, at least compared to speaking English (never mind spelling it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While sbt&#8217;s comment on the educational system in certain Asian countries is a large part of why we perceive Asian students to be so much more academically successful, there is another aspect to math that should be brought up.</p>
<p>That is, why aren&#8217;t we all brilliant in math?</p>
<p>Math has ten numbers, 0 through 9 that are combined in a strict pattern.  Math rules are totally regular and can be expressed in formulas.</p>
<p>In contrast, the English language has 26 letters, some of which have the same sound, others of which can sound different when they appear twice in the same word (i.e. the &#8220;g&#8221;s in &#8220;garage&#8221;), silent letters, dipthongs, homonyms, irregular verbs, etc.  In particular, the &#8220;ough&#8221; letter combination is pronounced differently in the words through, though, plough and trough.  Yet my 5 year old speaks English quite fluently!</p>
<p>So why do we generally have so much trouble with math?  It really should be as easy as falling off a log, at least compared to speaking English (never mind spelling it).</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent review. 

In your three take aways, you say, &quot;raise my children in an environment that encourages learning and creativity&quot; - This is why homeschooling is so successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent review. </p>
<p>In your three take aways, you say, &#8220;raise my children in an environment that encourages learning and creativity&#8221; &#8211; This is why homeschooling is so successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the review.  The content reminds me a bit of Freakonomics.  Based on your review, I&#039;m going to buy this book for my mom for Christmas.  She&#039;s a teacher and it sounds like there is some interesting research in the book that relates to the interdependencies between education, home life, and ultimately, success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the review.  The content reminds me a bit of Freakonomics.  Based on your review, I&#8217;m going to buy this book for my mom for Christmas.  She&#8217;s a teacher and it sounds like there is some interesting research in the book that relates to the interdependencies between education, home life, and ultimately, success.</p>
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		<title>By: colleen c</title>
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		<dc:creator>colleen c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this guy on TV and was curious about the book. Thanks for the review! It was very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this guy on TV and was curious about the book. Thanks for the review! It was very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: sbt</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Asians and math goes, I would point to three reasons this might be true:

First, Asian schools still practice the old fashioned art of drills. You have to know your multiplication tables, cold, so you don&#039;t have to worry about the basic calculations when you&#039;re working with higher math. I was furious when my son&#039;s fourth grade teacher required her students to buy calculators!

Second, Asian parents push their children very hard in their academics. My Japanese exchange sister and all her classmates went to &quot;cram school&quot; for three hours after school every day, and Saturday mornings, when our kids would be doing sports or other activities. They practiced and practiced and practiced to be prepared to take the examinations that select which students get to go to high school and on to college, and which students are sent from 9th grade to trade school. You only get one shot at that test. (Which is another reason it&#039;s not fair to compare American high school students overall to students where high school is competitive, as in Asian and Europe. We&#039;re not comparing apples to apples, because we send everyone to high school.

Third, in Japan, at least, the school year is 220 days and the American school year is 180 days. Over twelve years of school, that amounts to about another year of instruction, as well as shorter summers to forget things in.

I&#039;m not necessarily saying their way is better. They learn a lot and memorize huge quantities of information, but it is arguable that American youth have more opportunities to develop creativity, because they aren&#039;t studying so hard. I still insisted my son drill on his math facts at home, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Asians and math goes, I would point to three reasons this might be true:</p>
<p>First, Asian schools still practice the old fashioned art of drills. You have to know your multiplication tables, cold, so you don&#8217;t have to worry about the basic calculations when you&#8217;re working with higher math. I was furious when my son&#8217;s fourth grade teacher required her students to buy calculators!</p>
<p>Second, Asian parents push their children very hard in their academics. My Japanese exchange sister and all her classmates went to &#8220;cram school&#8221; for three hours after school every day, and Saturday mornings, when our kids would be doing sports or other activities. They practiced and practiced and practiced to be prepared to take the examinations that select which students get to go to high school and on to college, and which students are sent from 9th grade to trade school. You only get one shot at that test. (Which is another reason it&#8217;s not fair to compare American high school students overall to students where high school is competitive, as in Asian and Europe. We&#8217;re not comparing apples to apples, because we send everyone to high school.</p>
<p>Third, in Japan, at least, the school year is 220 days and the American school year is 180 days. Over twelve years of school, that amounts to about another year of instruction, as well as shorter summers to forget things in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not necessarily saying their way is better. They learn a lot and memorize huge quantities of information, but it is arguable that American youth have more opportunities to develop creativity, because they aren&#8217;t studying so hard. I still insisted my son drill on his math facts at home, though.</p>
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