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	<title>Comments on: The Limits of Frugality: What&#8217;s Next When You Can&#8217;t Cut Any More?</title>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is and old post but since it was relinked I&#039;ll say it anyway. If keeping the kids out of daycare and with the parents is the biggest goal then maybe mom should start looking for a job that pays better than dad&#039;s and dad can stay home. I know plenty of families where the mother is the high income earner. Or course in my family both parents worked and I wouldn&#039;t have had it any other way. I had plenty of kids to play with and socialize with at daycare. My mother had a life and career of her own and was always so happy to pick me up and spend time with me. I wasn&#039;t a job to her. I just really can&#039;t see going on welfare to support a life style choice when I could work. 

One note on the daycare though. Check the laws in your area first. An illegal daycare operation could cost you way more than it brings in. Some places babysitting more than one child can count as running an illegal daycare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is and old post but since it was relinked I&#8217;ll say it anyway. If keeping the kids out of daycare and with the parents is the biggest goal then maybe mom should start looking for a job that pays better than dad&#8217;s and dad can stay home. I know plenty of families where the mother is the high income earner. Or course in my family both parents worked and I wouldn&#8217;t have had it any other way. I had plenty of kids to play with and socialize with at daycare. My mother had a life and career of her own and was always so happy to pick me up and spend time with me. I wasn&#8217;t a job to her. I just really can&#8217;t see going on welfare to support a life style choice when I could work. </p>
<p>One note on the daycare though. Check the laws in your area first. An illegal daycare operation could cost you way more than it brings in. Some places babysitting more than one child can count as running an illegal daycare.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not impossible.  It just feels that way some days.  I stay home with now four children, and mostly have since the begining.  Daycare would cost more than I&#039;d make at this point.  It helps that the only debt we have are student loans and medical copays.  You might also find it helpful to stop thinking of yourself as middle class.  Because really, in terms of wages, you&#039;re embracing voluntary poverty.  (Quite possibly in terms of governemental standards, you are.)
Try this: make a list of the stuff you have to have to survive and why you have to have it and then see what the least expensive way to provide that is.
As far as earning extra income goes, there&#039;s always child care.  If you like to sell stuff, you can try a direct sales item.  If you can teach something, see if you can find a student.  Are you connected in any way with any homeschool families?  We hire people to teach our kids specialty classes all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not impossible.  It just feels that way some days.  I stay home with now four children, and mostly have since the begining.  Daycare would cost more than I&#8217;d make at this point.  It helps that the only debt we have are student loans and medical copays.  You might also find it helpful to stop thinking of yourself as middle class.  Because really, in terms of wages, you&#8217;re embracing voluntary poverty.  (Quite possibly in terms of governemental standards, you are.)<br />
Try this: make a list of the stuff you have to have to survive and why you have to have it and then see what the least expensive way to provide that is.<br />
As far as earning extra income goes, there&#8217;s always child care.  If you like to sell stuff, you can try a direct sales item.  If you can teach something, see if you can find a student.  Are you connected in any way with any homeschool families?  We hire people to teach our kids specialty classes all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve (#21) Because the mortality rate was so awesomely low during the Crusades, right? Lowering the temperature to 55F during the day isn&#039;t all that great for an infant who has very little immune defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve (#21) Because the mortality rate was so awesomely low during the Crusades, right? Lowering the temperature to 55F during the day isn&#8217;t all that great for an infant who has very little immune defense.</p>
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		<title>By: stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several people have suggested you take care of a couple other kids to make money. My friend tried that and her doctor bills went Way up due to the sick kids coming in the house and making her kid sick.  Just something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several people have suggested you take care of a couple other kids to make money. My friend tried that and her doctor bills went Way up due to the sick kids coming in the house and making her kid sick.  Just something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be politically incorrect here, but if you are having trouble making it on one income, then you most likely aren&#039;t trying hard enough.  There may be extenuating circumstances, but your note just doesn&#039;t give enough information.

In the end it&#039;s all about living within your means and making the right choices.  You CAN be happy and live a comfortable life on one income if you are willing to make the right choices. 

For more on this, please check out my humble blog and this post, in particular: http://lenpenzo.com/blog/id213-the-dirty-lowdown-distinguishing-wants-from-needs.html

For now, your first step must be to dig ndown deep to understand what you really need from what you think you need.

Len</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be politically incorrect here, but if you are having trouble making it on one income, then you most likely aren&#8217;t trying hard enough.  There may be extenuating circumstances, but your note just doesn&#8217;t give enough information.</p>
<p>In the end it&#8217;s all about living within your means and making the right choices.  You CAN be happy and live a comfortable life on one income if you are willing to make the right choices. </p>
<p>For more on this, please check out my humble blog and this post, in particular: <a href="http://lenpenzo.com/blog/id213-the-dirty-lowdown-distinguishing-wants-from-needs.html" rel="nofollow">http://lenpenzo.com/blog/id213-the-dirty-lowdown-distinguishing-wants-from-needs.html</a></p>
<p>For now, your first step must be to dig ndown deep to understand what you really need from what you think you need.</p>
<p>Len</p>
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		<title>By: CD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer, it&#039;s true that if you plan well practically any goal is attainable. The issues for most folks is that unfortunately (or sometimes not), circumstances change.

They did for my Mom, whose husband died unexpectedly at 42, my friend whose husband was layed off in 2001 (tech bubble) and net income was 50% for about 5 years till he rebuilt his career.  For another friend who ended with a husband with cancer in late 30s.  Or for other friends who started out happily in a two income situation but ended up being caregivers to a disabled child, or caring for elderly parents. 

If you plan well, and your plan continues working for your circumstances... of course it all works out.  However, there are a lot of curveballs in life.  Remaining flexible regarding you situation is the best course, and not judging others for doing what is best in their circumstances. Because you really don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on in their lives.

Coments like &quot;if they want it bad enough to cut out the extras&quot; certainly make light of how life-altering events can change even the best plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, it&#8217;s true that if you plan well practically any goal is attainable. The issues for most folks is that unfortunately (or sometimes not), circumstances change.</p>
<p>They did for my Mom, whose husband died unexpectedly at 42, my friend whose husband was layed off in 2001 (tech bubble) and net income was 50% for about 5 years till he rebuilt his career.  For another friend who ended with a husband with cancer in late 30s.  Or for other friends who started out happily in a two income situation but ended up being caregivers to a disabled child, or caring for elderly parents. </p>
<p>If you plan well, and your plan continues working for your circumstances&#8230; of course it all works out.  However, there are a lot of curveballs in life.  Remaining flexible regarding you situation is the best course, and not judging others for doing what is best in their circumstances. Because you really don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on in their lives.</p>
<p>Coments like &#8220;if they want it bad enough to cut out the extras&#8221; certainly make light of how life-altering events can change even the best plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 06:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When there are no expenses left to cut or costs to trim, then you must generte extra income. You can find ways to get paid for almost anything today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When there are no expenses left to cut or costs to trim, then you must generte extra income. You can find ways to get paid for almost anything today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree on the comment about middle income families not being able to make it on one income anymore.  My husband is a teacher and while things have been tight over the years, I have stayed home for the past 9 years.  I have done sporadic things like in home daycare, working in the churches nursery and now having a blog that generates income, but the money I have always earned has gone towards the extras that we were not able to afford on my husbands salary.  With the 1 income though, we have always been able to own a home and 2 cars and live a decent life with everything we need.  I think it is totally doable, even today, if the parents want it bad enough to cut out the extras.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree on the comment about middle income families not being able to make it on one income anymore.  My husband is a teacher and while things have been tight over the years, I have stayed home for the past 9 years.  I have done sporadic things like in home daycare, working in the churches nursery and now having a blog that generates income, but the money I have always earned has gone towards the extras that we were not able to afford on my husbands salary.  With the 1 income though, we have always been able to own a home and 2 cars and live a decent life with everything we need.  I think it is totally doable, even today, if the parents want it bad enough to cut out the extras.</p>
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		<title>By: Battra92</title>
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		<dc:creator>Battra92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Johanna, you seem to be really sensitive about the whole women staying at home thing. I don&#039;t know the exact numbers but I&#039;d wager a guess that the odds are very good that it&#039;s her. 

I would agree though that she&#039;s not a charity case. I live in a perpetually stagnant area (we never see the high highs but we never feel the truly low lows) and a lot of places here seem to be looking for temporary work. 

I&#039;d also look at Craigslist for tutoring, odd jobs and other such work to bring in a few extra dollars here and there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Johanna, you seem to be really sensitive about the whole women staying at home thing. I don&#8217;t know the exact numbers but I&#8217;d wager a guess that the odds are very good that it&#8217;s her. </p>
<p>I would agree though that she&#8217;s not a charity case. I live in a perpetually stagnant area (we never see the high highs but we never feel the truly low lows) and a lot of places here seem to be looking for temporary work. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also look at Craigslist for tutoring, odd jobs and other such work to bring in a few extra dollars here and there.</p>
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		<title>By: jreed</title>
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		<dc:creator>jreed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commercial office cleaning - weeekends and nights - it is good money and fairly easy cleaning because there are no kids, cooking or pets...just vacuuming, dusting, powder rooms (no tubs or showers) and emptying the trash. Plus it is good exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commercial office cleaning &#8211; weeekends and nights &#8211; it is good money and fairly easy cleaning because there are no kids, cooking or pets&#8230;just vacuuming, dusting, powder rooms (no tubs or showers) and emptying the trash. Plus it is good exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there any possible options to increase the salary of the income earner?  Additional hours, certifications that can demand a higher salary, company career path programs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any possible options to increase the salary of the income earner?  Additional hours, certifications that can demand a higher salary, company career path programs?</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen,
I was a stay at home mom on a very limited income for many years - I&#039;d love to help if I can. You can email me directly at michellehowell.1@juno.com.
Merry Christmas everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen,<br />
I was a stay at home mom on a very limited income for many years &#8211; I&#8217;d love to help if I can. You can email me directly at <a href="mailto:michellehowell.1@juno.com">michellehowell.1@juno.com</a>.<br />
Merry Christmas everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: CD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johanna, I agree with you.  On the other hand, some of the more *difficult* options (scale down your home) are virtually untenable at this particular economic time.  I have friends desperate for work applying for lowend jobs and there are TONS of applicants for retail, etc.  It may not be that easy to find work *regardless* of how willing you are to work.

Staying away from daycare is a poor excuse for not working, as well. My daycare provider is 
&quot;grandma&quot; for my kids and though both my kids are in school/preschool now - they still visit &quot;grandma&quot; monthly (gasp! for FREE) for a day of fun. When DH was unemployed she&#039;d watch them for us because she missed them and DH had to study for tests and go on interviews.  My daycare provider and I &quot;clicked&quot; when we met and she is now one of my closest friends here.

Had I not developed that relationship I would not have any support system at all since I have no family nearby other than my elderly Mom who can&#039;t watch the kids and often needs help herself.

For the situtation of Trend&#039;s friend - I agree with Trent.  Nose to the grindstone, cut out *everything* and actively work on finding some kind of part time work. In this economy, I&#039;d rent my home out and live with relatives or in a small studio  rather than try to sell.... but that&#039;s just me.  

In this area you can rent studio apartments for less than $500/month.  That, and a $10 emergency phone would round out the bare minimum monthly requirements for getting by assuming bus service is available for transportation, and food stamps are available to cover food.

Of course that would be severe, but may be better than bankruptcy, losing a home, or moving in with relatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna, I agree with you.  On the other hand, some of the more *difficult* options (scale down your home) are virtually untenable at this particular economic time.  I have friends desperate for work applying for lowend jobs and there are TONS of applicants for retail, etc.  It may not be that easy to find work *regardless* of how willing you are to work.</p>
<p>Staying away from daycare is a poor excuse for not working, as well. My daycare provider is<br />
&#8220;grandma&#8221; for my kids and though both my kids are in school/preschool now &#8211; they still visit &#8220;grandma&#8221; monthly (gasp! for FREE) for a day of fun. When DH was unemployed she&#8217;d watch them for us because she missed them and DH had to study for tests and go on interviews.  My daycare provider and I &#8220;clicked&#8221; when we met and she is now one of my closest friends here.</p>
<p>Had I not developed that relationship I would not have any support system at all since I have no family nearby other than my elderly Mom who can&#8217;t watch the kids and often needs help herself.</p>
<p>For the situtation of Trend&#8217;s friend &#8211; I agree with Trent.  Nose to the grindstone, cut out *everything* and actively work on finding some kind of part time work. In this economy, I&#8217;d rent my home out and live with relatives or in a small studio  rather than try to sell&#8230;. but that&#8217;s just me.  </p>
<p>In this area you can rent studio apartments for less than $500/month.  That, and a $10 emergency phone would round out the bare minimum monthly requirements for getting by assuming bus service is available for transportation, and food stamps are available to cover food.</p>
<p>Of course that would be severe, but may be better than bankruptcy, losing a home, or moving in with relatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are charity and government assistance really appropriate resources to sustain the long-term lifestyle of someone whose income is voluntarily reduced?  I seem to recall from previous discussions here that the consensus was that those resources exist primarily as temporary measures for people who are down on their luck, to help them get back on their feet.  

But it sounds like Jen and her partner are a one-income family by choice (funny how so many people are assuming that Jen is the one staying home, when she doesn&#039;t specify that) and intend to be so for the long term.  Their situation is not all that different than if I were to quit my job (for no reason other than that I don&#039;t feel like doing it anymore) and support myself on what I can get from charity.

In these tough times, charities are being stretched thinner and thinner with all the people who are losing their jobs and have no other choice.  I&#039;m sorry if this sounds hard-hearted for Christmas Eve, but when I donate money to help the less fortunate, I don&#039;t really want it going to people who could earn enough money to support themselves but choose not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are charity and government assistance really appropriate resources to sustain the long-term lifestyle of someone whose income is voluntarily reduced?  I seem to recall from previous discussions here that the consensus was that those resources exist primarily as temporary measures for people who are down on their luck, to help them get back on their feet.  </p>
<p>But it sounds like Jen and her partner are a one-income family by choice (funny how so many people are assuming that Jen is the one staying home, when she doesn&#8217;t specify that) and intend to be so for the long term.  Their situation is not all that different than if I were to quit my job (for no reason other than that I don&#8217;t feel like doing it anymore) and support myself on what I can get from charity.</p>
<p>In these tough times, charities are being stretched thinner and thinner with all the people who are losing their jobs and have no other choice.  I&#8217;m sorry if this sounds hard-hearted for Christmas Eve, but when I donate money to help the less fortunate, I don&#8217;t really want it going to people who could earn enough money to support themselves but choose not to.</p>
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		<title>By: Battra92</title>
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		<dc:creator>Battra92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until I was in the 4th grade my mom was a stay at home mom. I remember eating Spaghetti Os for lunch most every day (well that and Campbell&#039;s soup) 

I should mention that we went to &quot;daycare&quot; for a few hours a couple days a week just because we had no kids in the neighborhood (and none of my mom&#039;s friends had kids) so it was a good way for us to play with others and get us out of the house. If you can&#039;t do this, maybe there&#039;s a grandmother who could watch them a couple hours once or twice a week while you take a small side job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until I was in the 4th grade my mom was a stay at home mom. I remember eating Spaghetti Os for lunch most every day (well that and Campbell&#8217;s soup) </p>
<p>I should mention that we went to &#8220;daycare&#8221; for a few hours a couple days a week just because we had no kids in the neighborhood (and none of my mom&#8217;s friends had kids) so it was a good way for us to play with others and get us out of the house. If you can&#8217;t do this, maybe there&#8217;s a grandmother who could watch them a couple hours once or twice a week while you take a small side job.</p>
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		<title>By: Battra92</title>
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		<dc:creator>Battra92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until I was in the 4th grade my mom was a stay at home mom. I remember eating Spaghetti Os for lunch most every day (well that and Campbell&#039;s soup)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until I was in the 4th grade my mom was a stay at home mom. I remember eating Spaghetti Os for lunch most every day (well that and Campbell&#8217;s soup)</p>
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		<title>By: SteveJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had two thoughts:

One along the lines of the part-time job, is it possible for the working spouse maybe work at home one day a week, or flex the hours a bit to work weekends or the like?  That might give the couple more options as far as finding additional work hours in another job.

The other is to look for seasonal work as a quick fix way to maybe get some money saved up for leaner times.  Obviously retail is dying down, but tax season is upon us.  Can Jen or her husband put in some long hours for a couple months to get ahead a little bit? (hopefully finding someone to watch the kids on the cheap with the knowledge that it&#039;s a temporary situation).  My wife isn&#039;t quite a SAHM, but she juggles part-time jobs to give us a cushion when we need one.

Either way you have to cut costs or trade some time for money.  It&#039;s hard to get by on 3-4 hours a sleep, but you can do it for a few months if you&#039;re getting desperate.

I think the family center idea is a great one as well.  I have a hard time taking charity, but there&#039;s a lot of people that really want to help and it improves their lives to make a difference in yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had two thoughts:</p>
<p>One along the lines of the part-time job, is it possible for the working spouse maybe work at home one day a week, or flex the hours a bit to work weekends or the like?  That might give the couple more options as far as finding additional work hours in another job.</p>
<p>The other is to look for seasonal work as a quick fix way to maybe get some money saved up for leaner times.  Obviously retail is dying down, but tax season is upon us.  Can Jen or her husband put in some long hours for a couple months to get ahead a little bit? (hopefully finding someone to watch the kids on the cheap with the knowledge that it&#8217;s a temporary situation).  My wife isn&#8217;t quite a SAHM, but she juggles part-time jobs to give us a cushion when we need one.</p>
<p>Either way you have to cut costs or trade some time for money.  It&#8217;s hard to get by on 3-4 hours a sleep, but you can do it for a few months if you&#8217;re getting desperate.</p>
<p>I think the family center idea is a great one as well.  I have a hard time taking charity, but there&#8217;s a lot of people that really want to help and it improves their lives to make a difference in yours.</p>
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		<title>By: DivaJean</title>
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		<dc:creator>DivaJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whatever you do, don’t put your kids back in daycare. You will probably regret it more then any other change that you make, and your kids will never be the same.&quot;

I would avoid daycare only in that it costs so much, not in that its going to lead to the ruin of the children. (Insert hand wringing damsel-ly picture here) I would agree more in looking for off hour work where one parent could be home.

&quot;This is a sticky situation, but I have to say that I disagree with Kim that the era of the stay-at-home middle class mom is over.&quot;

No its not. There are tons of frugality sites about how stay at homes economize, scrimp, &amp; save to make it possible in this time. It may require a black belt in frugality, but it CAN be done. My take home is a tickle over $35K--- and my hubby is a SAHM for our 4 kids. Granted, we do get a stipend from Uncle Sam since we adopted foster children-- but that is the &quot;college fund&quot; money and is our third rail, never to touch unless extenuating circumstance AND only if needed for kid related needs since it is their money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whatever you do, don’t put your kids back in daycare. You will probably regret it more then any other change that you make, and your kids will never be the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would avoid daycare only in that it costs so much, not in that its going to lead to the ruin of the children. (Insert hand wringing damsel-ly picture here) I would agree more in looking for off hour work where one parent could be home.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is a sticky situation, but I have to say that I disagree with Kim that the era of the stay-at-home middle class mom is over.&#8221;</p>
<p>No its not. There are tons of frugality sites about how stay at homes economize, scrimp, &amp; save to make it possible in this time. It may require a black belt in frugality, but it CAN be done. My take home is a tickle over $35K&#8212; and my hubby is a SAHM for our 4 kids. Granted, we do get a stipend from Uncle Sam since we adopted foster children&#8211; but that is the &#8220;college fund&#8221; money and is our third rail, never to touch unless extenuating circumstance AND only if needed for kid related needs since it is their money.</p>
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		<title>By: eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could also consider taking a part time job during the day - but trading childcare with another stay at home parent with an opposite schedule. Ex. You could work Mon and Wed mornings, and the other person could work Tue and Thu afternoons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could also consider taking a part time job during the day &#8211; but trading childcare with another stay at home parent with an opposite schedule. Ex. You could work Mon and Wed mornings, and the other person could work Tue and Thu afternoons.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! Jen~~~Can you write back in &amp; give us specific things from your  budget? It would help to know what areas you are having trouble with. I have been a stay at home Mom for  most of our child&#039;s life, except for few times. He turned 18 this year.My husband makes $11.27 per hour &amp; this is the highest income we have had.We haven&#039;t been on assistance from govt., since he was like 3 when we got food stamps $104 month &amp; wic &amp; that was only for about a year &amp; we ended up having to pay 2  months back cause our income went up bylike $50 over the level.We are doing ok. We rent an upper half of house , which is cold now-no insulation , but cheaper than other rentals at $375 a month for about 650 square feet. You can e-mail me at stargazer43008@yahoo.com or write back here. I&#039;ll try  to give you tips on any areas you want. I have lots of bookmarked websites that havegood info on frugal living. blessings, lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Jen~~~Can you write back in &amp; give us specific things from your  budget? It would help to know what areas you are having trouble with. I have been a stay at home Mom for  most of our child&#8217;s life, except for few times. He turned 18 this year.My husband makes $11.27 per hour &amp; this is the highest income we have had.We haven&#8217;t been on assistance from govt., since he was like 3 when we got food stamps $104 month &amp; wic &amp; that was only for about a year &amp; we ended up having to pay 2  months back cause our income went up bylike $50 over the level.We are doing ok. We rent an upper half of house , which is cold now-no insulation , but cheaper than other rentals at $375 a month for about 650 square feet. You can e-mail me at <a href="mailto:stargazer43008@yahoo.com">stargazer43008@yahoo.com</a> or write back here. I&#8217;ll try  to give you tips on any areas you want. I have lots of bookmarked websites that havegood info on frugal living. blessings, lisa</p>
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