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	<title>Comments on: The Intelligent Investor: A General Approach to Security Analysis for the Lay Investor</title>
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		<title>By: Preeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that management buying shares of the company is a good thing, but remember that when they&#039;re selling, it doesn&#039;t necessarily follow that &quot;something&#039;s amiss&quot;; there are MANY reasons that an insider is selling stock (e.g. paying for a child&#039;s college education, buying a boat or a house), but there&#039;s only one reason why management buys, and that is that they believe in the company.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that management buying shares of the company is a good thing, but remember that when they&#8217;re selling, it doesn&#8217;t necessarily follow that &#8220;something&#8217;s amiss&#8221;; there are MANY reasons that an insider is selling stock (e.g. paying for a child&#8217;s college education, buying a boat or a house), but there&#8217;s only one reason why management buys, and that is that they believe in the company.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Graham seemed to prefer bonds to stocks because the rate of return was so high. Even the dividend payout from stocks was much greater than it is today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham seemed to prefer bonds to stocks because the rate of return was so high. Even the dividend payout from stocks was much greater than it is today.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While net income is the most commonly used figure for profitability of a company, Ethan is right in saying it doesn&#039;t include capital expenditures.  The only easily found number that does do that is free cash flow, which is equal to operating income (income after subtracting all operating expenses) and deducting capital expenditures.  Free cash flow is a much better measure of the company&#039;s ability to grow, pay dividends, or buy back shares consistently.

I&#039;m not sure if Graham got there yet, but he advocates taking the average earnings over a long period of time (up to 10 years) to even out the fluctuations that companies sometimes show in their earnings.

I read this book because I&#039;d heard good things about it, and because Buffett often calls it the best book on investing.  I found a good amount of it boring at the beginning, since I too wanted to fast forward to Graham&#039;s specific methodology for picking stocks.

However, I later appreciated Graham&#039;s constant urging of buying stocks below intrinsic value and understanding the psychology of bull/bear markets.  Much of what he wrote on how the public acts in such markets is so accurate that it sounds like it could&#039;ve been written today.  The Intelligent Investor was the book that helped me become numb to market fluctuations and the ensuing coverage by the media.

Trent, have you started picking individual stocks yet? You mentioned in a post a few weeks ago that your wife was urging you to do so.  I&#039;m sure you could outperform the market, as long as you consistently followed a value-oriented strategy.  One thing I&#039;ve found is that many of the legends identify that the only way to consistently beat the market is to always pay less than a company is worth.  In my own experience, the margin of safety concept is priceless.  I don&#039;t follow Graham&#039;s investing style, but I have definitely incorporated the margin of safety concept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While net income is the most commonly used figure for profitability of a company, Ethan is right in saying it doesn&#8217;t include capital expenditures.  The only easily found number that does do that is free cash flow, which is equal to operating income (income after subtracting all operating expenses) and deducting capital expenditures.  Free cash flow is a much better measure of the company&#8217;s ability to grow, pay dividends, or buy back shares consistently.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if Graham got there yet, but he advocates taking the average earnings over a long period of time (up to 10 years) to even out the fluctuations that companies sometimes show in their earnings.</p>
<p>I read this book because I&#8217;d heard good things about it, and because Buffett often calls it the best book on investing.  I found a good amount of it boring at the beginning, since I too wanted to fast forward to Graham&#8217;s specific methodology for picking stocks.</p>
<p>However, I later appreciated Graham&#8217;s constant urging of buying stocks below intrinsic value and understanding the psychology of bull/bear markets.  Much of what he wrote on how the public acts in such markets is so accurate that it sounds like it could&#8217;ve been written today.  The Intelligent Investor was the book that helped me become numb to market fluctuations and the ensuing coverage by the media.</p>
<p>Trent, have you started picking individual stocks yet? You mentioned in a post a few weeks ago that your wife was urging you to do so.  I&#8217;m sure you could outperform the market, as long as you consistently followed a value-oriented strategy.  One thing I&#8217;ve found is that many of the legends identify that the only way to consistently beat the market is to always pay less than a company is worth.  In my own experience, the margin of safety concept is priceless.  I don&#8217;t follow Graham&#8217;s investing style, but I have definitely incorporated the margin of safety concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Bloch</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2008/12/26/the-intelligent-investor-a-general-approach-to-security-analysis-for-the-lay-investor/#comment-451021</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Bloch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Michael I would like to note that &#039;earnings&#039; in the form it has been referenced here refers to net income, in that case cap ex is not included in the calculation; and mark to market mainly effects financial firms. Tax charges? Well those are real costs aren&#039;t they? An huge swings in tax charges year to year over 10 years is suspect.

@Trent, I agree that Graham liked to earn dividends on his investments. However to say he  looked at dividend income and not price appreciation as the main way to profit from his investments is inaccurate. The largest thing Graham paid attention to when buying was &#039;Margin of Safety&#039; (Ch. 20) whether it was bonds, preferred or common stock. For the most obvious reasons of protecting his initial capital, but also to hopefully see the business rise back close to its intrinsic value i.e. capital appreciation. Graham figured if he bought enough issues with a healthy MOS, held over long periods of time, even with some failures, the entire portfolio earn quite a nice return.

Finally EDGAR is extremely powerful but yet quite cumbersome for the layman. The SEC is currently in the process of transitioning to a more user friendly electronic database. Currently only a few companies have opted in to submit these new electronic reports. Once it become mandatory, it will be sweeet.

Happy Holidays!

Ethan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael I would like to note that &#8216;earnings&#8217; in the form it has been referenced here refers to net income, in that case cap ex is not included in the calculation; and mark to market mainly effects financial firms. Tax charges? Well those are real costs aren&#8217;t they? An huge swings in tax charges year to year over 10 years is suspect.</p>
<p>@Trent, I agree that Graham liked to earn dividends on his investments. However to say he  looked at dividend income and not price appreciation as the main way to profit from his investments is inaccurate. The largest thing Graham paid attention to when buying was &#8216;Margin of Safety&#8217; (Ch. 20) whether it was bonds, preferred or common stock. For the most obvious reasons of protecting his initial capital, but also to hopefully see the business rise back close to its intrinsic value i.e. capital appreciation. Graham figured if he bought enough issues with a healthy MOS, held over long periods of time, even with some failures, the entire portfolio earn quite a nice return.</p>
<p>Finally EDGAR is extremely powerful but yet quite cumbersome for the layman. The SEC is currently in the process of transitioning to a more user friendly electronic database. Currently only a few companies have opted in to submit these new electronic reports. Once it become mandatory, it will be sweeet.</p>
<p>Happy Holidays!</p>
<p>Ethan</p>
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		<title>By: stockmanmarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>stockmanmarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent,

A really good book.

Your right many people/investors want to quickly know HOW to pick stocks or for someone to give them the picks.

One of the  hardest things in investing is sitting on the sidelines waiting and being patient, most people want action and this can get them in trouble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent,</p>
<p>A really good book.</p>
<p>Your right many people/investors want to quickly know HOW to pick stocks or for someone to give them the picks.</p>
<p>One of the  hardest things in investing is sitting on the sidelines waiting and being patient, most people want action and this can get them in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Revenue figures that jump around are scary, but earnings are often volatile due to capex, tax charges, mark to market, etc.  Depending on the industry that&#039;s not a problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revenue figures that jump around are scary, but earnings are often volatile due to capex, tax charges, mark to market, etc.  Depending on the industry that&#8217;s not a problem.</p>
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