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		<title>By: On the Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who worked in Legal Aid (free at source) debt advice for 12 years, I commend you on the quality of this excellent post. Nice one!
8-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who worked in Legal Aid (free at source) debt advice for 12 years, I commend you on the quality of this excellent post. Nice one!<br />
8-)</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be aware!  Non Profit Debt Counseling is not what it appears.  In 2002 we tried it.  They charge a monthly fee, not unreasonable BUT.  They got most of our credit card interest rates reduced, but, unbeknownst to us until we had a problem with one of the creditors they were paying, did we find out that they also get a kick back from the creditor for making the payments to them, they called it fair (something or other). It turned out that one of the creditors had changed their receiving agent for the payments.  The payments never got to them, the prior receiver misplaced the payments for 2 years and of course we were not notified that they were not getting the payments, when I did and annual credit report check is when I found out about the problem.  At this point 2 years into the system we were luckily able to get a loan and pay off all the creditors left.  But not before it made a bad hit on our credit.  So be aware, Debt counseling services are not always what they seem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be aware!  Non Profit Debt Counseling is not what it appears.  In 2002 we tried it.  They charge a monthly fee, not unreasonable BUT.  They got most of our credit card interest rates reduced, but, unbeknownst to us until we had a problem with one of the creditors they were paying, did we find out that they also get a kick back from the creditor for making the payments to them, they called it fair (something or other). It turned out that one of the creditors had changed their receiving agent for the payments.  The payments never got to them, the prior receiver misplaced the payments for 2 years and of course we were not notified that they were not getting the payments, when I did and annual credit report check is when I found out about the problem.  At this point 2 years into the system we were luckily able to get a loan and pay off all the creditors left.  But not before it made a bad hit on our credit.  So be aware, Debt counseling services are not always what they seem.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Harber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Harber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason I have confidence you are a straight shooter.
would you mind stating your DOB?
Can you reccomend a few simple billtracking logs. If they involve Excell include templates as i don&#039;t do Excell though I have it.
I use a Blackberry Curve and sync it daily ( I am not now a corporate guy)with Outlook2003.  It is &quot;fritzy&quot; but reminds me of a woman. Worth the effort.
I like many I know try to make a simple task complex. 
I especially like your writing style and that you are outspoken (see your comments on &quot;Rich dad, Poor Dad&quot; )  GH at Ottawa, Kansas USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason I have confidence you are a straight shooter.<br />
would you mind stating your DOB?<br />
Can you reccomend a few simple billtracking logs. If they involve Excell include templates as i don&#8217;t do Excell though I have it.<br />
I use a Blackberry Curve and sync it daily ( I am not now a corporate guy)with Outlook2003.  It is &#8220;fritzy&#8221; but reminds me of a woman. Worth the effort.<br />
I like many I know try to make a simple task complex.<br />
I especially like your writing style and that you are outspoken (see your comments on &#8220;Rich dad, Poor Dad&#8221; )  GH at Ottawa, Kansas USA</p>
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		<title>By: brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran up about $6000 worth of credit card debt in college by signing up for those credit cards they offer you on the beach during spring break. I was constantly missing payments and getting late fees. I had too many cards and wasn&#039;t responsible enough to manage them. Seeing I was in trouble, I used one of these services. Although I was paying right around $30 a month to the debt reduction company to handle all of my payments, I was better off because the late fees were even higher than that. Please make note here that I am very aware NOW that I was making fiscally poor choices overall, but my point is that this service was what I needed at the time. Although I could have done it myself, I was too irresponsible to do so, and getting myself on this debt reduction plan was the best thing I could manage. It did mess with my credit, but at 20 years old, I wasn&#039;t trying to buy too much anyway. So all this is to say, there is a place for this type of service out there, it is useful to some people. Probably anyone who is reading this blog is experiencing a fiscal and frugal awakening,  and  most likely would not benefit from a debt reduction company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran up about $6000 worth of credit card debt in college by signing up for those credit cards they offer you on the beach during spring break. I was constantly missing payments and getting late fees. I had too many cards and wasn&#8217;t responsible enough to manage them. Seeing I was in trouble, I used one of these services. Although I was paying right around $30 a month to the debt reduction company to handle all of my payments, I was better off because the late fees were even higher than that. Please make note here that I am very aware NOW that I was making fiscally poor choices overall, but my point is that this service was what I needed at the time. Although I could have done it myself, I was too irresponsible to do so, and getting myself on this debt reduction plan was the best thing I could manage. It did mess with my credit, but at 20 years old, I wasn&#8217;t trying to buy too much anyway. So all this is to say, there is a place for this type of service out there, it is useful to some people. Probably anyone who is reading this blog is experiencing a fiscal and frugal awakening,  and  most likely would not benefit from a debt reduction company.</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aimee Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consumers should indeed be very cautious with these companies. After all, if you already have money problems, the last thing you need is a &quot;helper&quot; that damages your finances even more. 

If someone is in debt, it is always best to try and take care of it yourself. Many people can learn to systematically pay down their debt, and negotiate better interest rates with their credit card company. But for people in serious debt hardship, the right professional help can be helpful. The key is to understanding the differences in these debt “relief” options. 

Debt consolidation does just that: consolidates your debts so you make one payment per month, which is then split between creditors. 

Debt management plans, offered by credit counseling firms, lower interest rates and extend payments. One of the problems is that the IRS, in a recent multi-year investigation, shut down every one of the credit counseling firms it audited for abuse of non-profit status. Credit counseling firms typically receive their funding from creditors, creating a conflict of interest between consumers and their funders.

Debt resolution firms negotiate on consumers’ behalf to lower principal balances due. Consumers then pay the debt resolution firm a portion of the savings (consumer gets services, consumer pays for services). Debt resolution can obtain savings of up to half the full amount owed. And yes, they can hurt credit scores. But this option is for someone in serious debt hardship – someone for whom the only other alternative might be bankruptcy. You can rebuild your credit score, but a bankruptcy judgment stays on your record for a very long time.

With any of these types of companies, people should ask these questions:

1. Compensation: Does the company get any form of consideration or compensation from creditors?

2. BBB: Is the company a member of the Better Business Bureau? A &quot;yes&quot; answer means the company is willing to have its practices scrutinized and to respond to consumer complaints.

3. Individualization: Does the company provide actual consultations and provide advice/education to consumers free of charge? Or is the company simply directing every consumer into a debt management plan?

4. Free education: Does the company provide educational material, including budgeting and financial advice, free of charge? Many firms consider educational material an additional fee source, not a benefit to their clients.

5. Background: What is the background of the company&#039;s management team? Look for good, relevant education and experience -- not a team that jumps from opportunity to opportunity to make its fortunes.

6. History: How long has the company been in business? 

7. Success: What are the company&#039;s dropout and success rates? Request these statistics. 


How do I know? I do consulting work with Bills.com, the online portal to a successful, legitimate debt resolution firm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consumers should indeed be very cautious with these companies. After all, if you already have money problems, the last thing you need is a &#8220;helper&#8221; that damages your finances even more. </p>
<p>If someone is in debt, it is always best to try and take care of it yourself. Many people can learn to systematically pay down their debt, and negotiate better interest rates with their credit card company. But for people in serious debt hardship, the right professional help can be helpful. The key is to understanding the differences in these debt “relief” options. </p>
<p>Debt consolidation does just that: consolidates your debts so you make one payment per month, which is then split between creditors. </p>
<p>Debt management plans, offered by credit counseling firms, lower interest rates and extend payments. One of the problems is that the IRS, in a recent multi-year investigation, shut down every one of the credit counseling firms it audited for abuse of non-profit status. Credit counseling firms typically receive their funding from creditors, creating a conflict of interest between consumers and their funders.</p>
<p>Debt resolution firms negotiate on consumers’ behalf to lower principal balances due. Consumers then pay the debt resolution firm a portion of the savings (consumer gets services, consumer pays for services). Debt resolution can obtain savings of up to half the full amount owed. And yes, they can hurt credit scores. But this option is for someone in serious debt hardship – someone for whom the only other alternative might be bankruptcy. You can rebuild your credit score, but a bankruptcy judgment stays on your record for a very long time.</p>
<p>With any of these types of companies, people should ask these questions:</p>
<p>1. Compensation: Does the company get any form of consideration or compensation from creditors?</p>
<p>2. BBB: Is the company a member of the Better Business Bureau? A &#8220;yes&#8221; answer means the company is willing to have its practices scrutinized and to respond to consumer complaints.</p>
<p>3. Individualization: Does the company provide actual consultations and provide advice/education to consumers free of charge? Or is the company simply directing every consumer into a debt management plan?</p>
<p>4. Free education: Does the company provide educational material, including budgeting and financial advice, free of charge? Many firms consider educational material an additional fee source, not a benefit to their clients.</p>
<p>5. Background: What is the background of the company&#8217;s management team? Look for good, relevant education and experience &#8212; not a team that jumps from opportunity to opportunity to make its fortunes.</p>
<p>6. History: How long has the company been in business? </p>
<p>7. Success: What are the company&#8217;s dropout and success rates? Request these statistics. </p>
<p>How do I know? I do consulting work with Bills.com, the online portal to a successful, legitimate debt resolution firm.</p>
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		<title>By: Simplysara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simplysara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used one of these services several years ago.  I had just gotten out of a relationship in which I had stupidly allowed control of our finances by the other person and when we broke up I was stuck with $20K in credit card debt in my name.  My credit wasn&#039;t horrible at this point, just average.  I was so overwhelmed I thought that one of these services could help me.  In some ways it did... it brought down my payment amounts but at the same time I ended up with settlements on my credit report.  

The worst part about it was that there was a note on my report about not being able to take out new credit.  I had known about that stipulation but had not considered that the rule would apply to more than just credit cards.  I had a major dental emergency and I had to borrow from family and friends because I couldn&#039;t get on a payment plan due to the consolidator service.  Then I had to move and getting an apartment from any leasing company was impossible because of this same rule.  I finally had to get out of the service but the damage had been done to my credit rating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used one of these services several years ago.  I had just gotten out of a relationship in which I had stupidly allowed control of our finances by the other person and when we broke up I was stuck with $20K in credit card debt in my name.  My credit wasn&#8217;t horrible at this point, just average.  I was so overwhelmed I thought that one of these services could help me.  In some ways it did&#8230; it brought down my payment amounts but at the same time I ended up with settlements on my credit report.  </p>
<p>The worst part about it was that there was a note on my report about not being able to take out new credit.  I had known about that stipulation but had not considered that the rule would apply to more than just credit cards.  I had a major dental emergency and I had to borrow from family and friends because I couldn&#8217;t get on a payment plan due to the consolidator service.  Then I had to move and getting an apartment from any leasing company was impossible because of this same rule.  I finally had to get out of the service but the damage had been done to my credit rating.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Dave Ramsey&#039;s podcast, I regularly hear people call in who went to debt consolidators, were told that they should send them all their debt payment money and the debt consolidator would negotiate with the creditors and pay the monthly payments for the consumer - and then the consolidator didn&#039;t pay at all or didn&#039;t pay the full amount or didn&#039;t pay on time. So then the people start getting calls from the creditors all over again asking for their money. It sounds like a bad idea to turn over so much control over your finances to these companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Dave Ramsey&#8217;s podcast, I regularly hear people call in who went to debt consolidators, were told that they should send them all their debt payment money and the debt consolidator would negotiate with the creditors and pay the monthly payments for the consumer &#8211; and then the consolidator didn&#8217;t pay at all or didn&#8217;t pay the full amount or didn&#8217;t pay on time. So then the people start getting calls from the creditors all over again asking for their money. It sounds like a bad idea to turn over so much control over your finances to these companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am personally not a fan of these programs.  They are in place to make money from people who have very little go give.  I agree with you Trent that most of the stuff they offer can be done on your own.  It just takes a little research.  Use the library, internet, and resources like Dave Ramsey, Orman.

If you are really down on your luck in serious debt find someone or organization that has the &quot;heart of a teacher&quot;.  Not someplace that is in it for the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am personally not a fan of these programs.  They are in place to make money from people who have very little go give.  I agree with you Trent that most of the stuff they offer can be done on your own.  It just takes a little research.  Use the library, internet, and resources like Dave Ramsey, Orman.</p>
<p>If you are really down on your luck in serious debt find someone or organization that has the &#8220;heart of a teacher&#8221;.  Not someplace that is in it for the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree very much with the point you raise that assembling your own debt repayment plan, and negotiating for lower interest rates, are great avenues for those that have a large amount of credit card debt.  The non-profit credit counseling agencies can be a big help too.  I used a mix of both when I paid off over $17,000 in credit card debt in just over 2 years.  I was able to rebuild my credit and FICO score quite rapidly as well, since my credit report didn&#039;t get dinged as much as if I were to plead for charge offs with the credit card companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree very much with the point you raise that assembling your own debt repayment plan, and negotiating for lower interest rates, are great avenues for those that have a large amount of credit card debt.  The non-profit credit counseling agencies can be a big help too.  I used a mix of both when I paid off over $17,000 in credit card debt in just over 2 years.  I was able to rebuild my credit and FICO score quite rapidly as well, since my credit report didn&#8217;t get dinged as much as if I were to plead for charge offs with the credit card companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One interesting thing to note when suggesting using a non-profit credit counseling service versus a fee based credit counseling service. Often the non-profits are paid, at least partially, by creditors which may result in some deals that are not in the clients best interest.

For fee services are upfront about what they charge, and in many cases (research this to be careful) don&#039;t get any money from the creditors so will work for the client.

So, although the for-fee counselor may seem expensive, it may, in the long run, be much better for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One interesting thing to note when suggesting using a non-profit credit counseling service versus a fee based credit counseling service. Often the non-profits are paid, at least partially, by creditors which may result in some deals that are not in the clients best interest.</p>
<p>For fee services are upfront about what they charge, and in many cases (research this to be careful) don&#8217;t get any money from the creditors so will work for the client.</p>
<p>So, although the for-fee counselor may seem expensive, it may, in the long run, be much better for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money IS debt, magically created upon signing of your mortgage, contract or swiping of your plastic.

Americans ought to pay their debts down, at the individual, company, state and federal level or re-open debtor&#039;s prisons.

Oh, I forgot, where to put all these morally and financially bankrupt persons when already 25% of the WORLD&#039;s prison population resided in the good ol&#039;USofA...

The only reason to pay for this kind of service is to educate yourself... And the only way to have the nation back on task is to dismantle the Fed and return to constitutional honest money.

But, wait - O&#039;Bama&#039;s team has already said it would inflate the dollar to oblivion... no need to rush, you can pay later with devalued federal reserve notes IOUnothings. 
Hang on for dear life to your debt, do whatever it takes to generate the cash flows to service it, it is maybe the only single most valuable vehicle you can find to transfer value towards you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money IS debt, magically created upon signing of your mortgage, contract or swiping of your plastic.</p>
<p>Americans ought to pay their debts down, at the individual, company, state and federal level or re-open debtor&#8217;s prisons.</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot, where to put all these morally and financially bankrupt persons when already 25% of the WORLD&#8217;s prison population resided in the good ol&#8217;USofA&#8230;</p>
<p>The only reason to pay for this kind of service is to educate yourself&#8230; And the only way to have the nation back on task is to dismantle the Fed and return to constitutional honest money.</p>
<p>But, wait &#8211; O&#8217;Bama&#8217;s team has already said it would inflate the dollar to oblivion&#8230; no need to rush, you can pay later with devalued federal reserve notes IOUnothings.<br />
Hang on for dear life to your debt, do whatever it takes to generate the cash flows to service it, it is maybe the only single most valuable vehicle you can find to transfer value towards you.</p>
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		<title>By: K.D.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.D.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting...I figured there would be some shady &quot;debt help&quot; folks popping up considering the state of the economy.

Are there major differences between for profit and non profit groups?  I for one am going it alone with my own tightly planned snowball, spending budget, and PF Blog ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;I figured there would be some shady &#8220;debt help&#8221; folks popping up considering the state of the economy.</p>
<p>Are there major differences between for profit and non profit groups?  I for one am going it alone with my own tightly planned snowball, spending budget, and PF Blog ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for a company like the one described in the article, and my advise to those who are considering it is: DON&#039;T! Using a debt-settlement or debt elimination program is almost invariably a bad financial decision. The companies do the same thing that any individual can do for themselves; negotiate with your creditors. However, they will charge you hefty fees. You will be far better off negotiating your debts (or better yet, simply paying them) yourself.

Another HUGE downside to the debt negotiation companies is that if a creditor decides to sue you (in industry slang, the account &quot;goes legal&quot;), the negotiator will leave you high and dry with no representation and no way back from the situation that they have gotten you into. Stay away and do it yourself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for a company like the one described in the article, and my advise to those who are considering it is: DON&#8217;T! Using a debt-settlement or debt elimination program is almost invariably a bad financial decision. The companies do the same thing that any individual can do for themselves; negotiate with your creditors. However, they will charge you hefty fees. You will be far better off negotiating your debts (or better yet, simply paying them) yourself.</p>
<p>Another HUGE downside to the debt negotiation companies is that if a creditor decides to sue you (in industry slang, the account &#8220;goes legal&#8221;), the negotiator will leave you high and dry with no representation and no way back from the situation that they have gotten you into. Stay away and do it yourself!</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Accountability</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Accountability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>harm - I have heard those ads also - the lady talking about &quot;when I first joined the program, all the collection calls and I called xxx and they were so nice and telling me don&#039;t worry&quot;.  I think part of the &quot;secrets&quot; are these tips from a site I happened upon the other day.   http://tr.im/3bh1  Things like you can tell the collection agencies can&#039;t collect if they don&#039;t have the correct information on your debt, they can&#039;t call before 9am and after 8pm, etc.  One of my coworkers is going through a really rough time in her life and I printed these out for her just so she knows she does have some rights, even though she&#039;s in trouble financially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>harm &#8211; I have heard those ads also &#8211; the lady talking about &#8220;when I first joined the program, all the collection calls and I called xxx and they were so nice and telling me don&#8217;t worry&#8221;.  I think part of the &#8220;secrets&#8221; are these tips from a site I happened upon the other day.   <a href="http://tr.im/3bh1" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/3bh1</a>  Things like you can tell the collection agencies can&#8217;t collect if they don&#8217;t have the correct information on your debt, they can&#8217;t call before 9am and after 8pm, etc.  One of my coworkers is going through a really rough time in her life and I printed these out for her just so she knows she does have some rights, even though she&#8217;s in trouble financially.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Accountability</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/01/08/debt-reduction-and-debt-elimination-programs-whats-the-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-469359</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Accountability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes people need the extra incentive of working with one of these companies. When I was on welfare with a disabled child, it was so difficult to make ends meet that I ended up with $6K credit card debt over a 4-5 year period (mostly car repairs!).  I went through Consumer Credit Counseling - the one that is non-profit and not just in business to scam people - and they only charged me $5/month for the service.  It was signing the contract, and making the promise to not open any new credit cards, and cease using the ones I had, that gave me the resolve to make it. I ended up going without a car the last three years because I simply couldn&#039;t afford to pay for repairs.  I paid off my debt within 52 months. Then again there are people like my youngest sister, who ran up debt, went through a credit counseling service (not the one I went to) and even while in the program, she&#039;s opened new cards and ran them up again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes people need the extra incentive of working with one of these companies. When I was on welfare with a disabled child, it was so difficult to make ends meet that I ended up with $6K credit card debt over a 4-5 year period (mostly car repairs!).  I went through Consumer Credit Counseling &#8211; the one that is non-profit and not just in business to scam people &#8211; and they only charged me $5/month for the service.  It was signing the contract, and making the promise to not open any new credit cards, and cease using the ones I had, that gave me the resolve to make it. I ended up going without a car the last three years because I simply couldn&#8217;t afford to pay for repairs.  I paid off my debt within 52 months. Then again there are people like my youngest sister, who ran up debt, went through a credit counseling service (not the one I went to) and even while in the program, she&#8217;s opened new cards and ran them up again!</p>
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		<title>By: harm</title>
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		<dc:creator>harm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hearing these ads on conservative talk radio.
I&#039;m pretty conservative myself, and find it amusing
and distressing both that Rush and the others are
supported by people who want us to weasel out of 
our debts. Seems like something those doggone
liberals would do, rotfl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hearing these ads on conservative talk radio.<br />
I&#8217;m pretty conservative myself, and find it amusing<br />
and distressing both that Rush and the others are<br />
supported by people who want us to weasel out of<br />
our debts. Seems like something those doggone<br />
liberals would do, rotfl</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We used the Consumer Credit Counseling Services when we got ourselves into trouble.  They were very nice people.  The helped us set up a budget, to make sure that our repayment plan would work.  They were able to get most of our interest payments reduced by double digits.  We made one payment a month to them and they disbursed the money.  The cost for this service was $2.00 per month.  None of our debts were reduced, we paid them all, it took about 5 years.  At the end, I was pleasantly surprised to see that we still had a good credit rating.  Without this service we would have had to file bankruptcy.  We couldn&#039;t even afford to make the minimum payments on all the debt, and with out the interset rate reductions we would have never had them all paid.  We simply didn&#039;t have the cash flow.  So we&#039;re doing much better now, and managing to pay all of our bills, most of them on time!  Some of these services, the not for profit ones are helpful.  We wouldn&#039;t have been able to make it out from under without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We used the Consumer Credit Counseling Services when we got ourselves into trouble.  They were very nice people.  The helped us set up a budget, to make sure that our repayment plan would work.  They were able to get most of our interest payments reduced by double digits.  We made one payment a month to them and they disbursed the money.  The cost for this service was $2.00 per month.  None of our debts were reduced, we paid them all, it took about 5 years.  At the end, I was pleasantly surprised to see that we still had a good credit rating.  Without this service we would have had to file bankruptcy.  We couldn&#8217;t even afford to make the minimum payments on all the debt, and with out the interset rate reductions we would have never had them all paid.  We simply didn&#8217;t have the cash flow.  So we&#8217;re doing much better now, and managing to pay all of our bills, most of them on time!  Some of these services, the not for profit ones are helpful.  We wouldn&#8217;t have been able to make it out from under without them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a debt collection attorney who collects credit card debt, and the generalities that Trent makes are almost too accurate.  I firmly believe that debt consolidation companies take advantage of the vast majority of people who think they are being helped.  In my more sinister moments, I like to think about opening my own debt consolidation/management company because with about 4 employees and a minimal licensing fee to the state, you can make some serious money DOING NOTHING.  Here&#039;s how it works:

Most of these companies advertise that they can settle for &quot;pennies on the dollar.&quot; When my coworkers and I hear this, we laugh, because they don&#039;t tell you that it&#039;s usually 100 pennies per dollar.  They get you to sign up, which may cost $50-100 to get set up and do your &quot;counseling&quot; where they tell you to not talk to your creditors and to send them the sorry excuse for a Power of Attorney listing the Debt Consolidator as their attorney in fact.  Then they collect $50 a month in &quot;management fees&quot; and the debtor pays whatever extra they can to be held &quot;in trust&quot; so that the Debt Consolidator can make settlement offers.

Meanwhile, you&#039;re missing on payments, creditors mark your account as &quot;cease and desist&quot; (because you&#039;ve notified them that you&#039;re working with a debt consolidator, who may be an attorney and federal law requires no further contact to the debtor) and don&#039;t contact you to work out any arrangements.  After about 180 days, the creditor issues the debt to an attorney for collection, who then file suit, obtain a judgment, and garnish assets, employment, tax returns, etc.  Meanwhile, interest accrued (probably at the credit card contract&#039;s default rate of 28%) up until suit was filed, then attorneys fees, court costs, and statutory interest accrues after judgment is obtained (dating back to when suit was filed).  All of this could have probably been avoided with a $50 payment to the creditor and not the Debt Consolidator.  And remember, even though judgments only last for 10 years, renewing the judgment for another 10 is almost as simple as paying $20.  Imagine paying on a credit card 19 years after you got sued because it keeps collecting interest and the post-judgment recovery never zeroes out the balance?

For a Debt Consolidation company, this is great, because all you need are a couple of people to answer phones, a way to merge documents to create the &quot;start-up kit&quot; with names, SSNs, debt information, and the powers of attorney.  Then you count the money.  If you have 100 customers (a manageable number for a 2 person operation), that&#039;s $5000 a month in straight income.  Then you make a few phone calls a day to the creditors, make some lowball offers, get rejected, and then tell your client &quot;well, the creditors are just being unreasonable, but we&#039;ll keep at it.&quot;  So long as you don&#039;t have a soul, it would be an outstanding side hustle.  Sure, some accounts would settle or set up payment arrangements (which you can fix by having a &quot;No Payment Arrangement Policy&quot;), but most files will just lay dormant.

This is why a slew of Debt Consolidation companies went out of business in the past few years (Hess-Kennedy being the most recent).

Sorry for being so cynical, but I have no respect for these Debt Consolidation companies.  Granted, Creditors probably aren&#039;t any nicer, but at least they are actually owed the money.  Debt Consolidators just smell blood in the water and want to get in on the action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a debt collection attorney who collects credit card debt, and the generalities that Trent makes are almost too accurate.  I firmly believe that debt consolidation companies take advantage of the vast majority of people who think they are being helped.  In my more sinister moments, I like to think about opening my own debt consolidation/management company because with about 4 employees and a minimal licensing fee to the state, you can make some serious money DOING NOTHING.  Here&#8217;s how it works:</p>
<p>Most of these companies advertise that they can settle for &#8220;pennies on the dollar.&#8221; When my coworkers and I hear this, we laugh, because they don&#8217;t tell you that it&#8217;s usually 100 pennies per dollar.  They get you to sign up, which may cost $50-100 to get set up and do your &#8220;counseling&#8221; where they tell you to not talk to your creditors and to send them the sorry excuse for a Power of Attorney listing the Debt Consolidator as their attorney in fact.  Then they collect $50 a month in &#8220;management fees&#8221; and the debtor pays whatever extra they can to be held &#8220;in trust&#8221; so that the Debt Consolidator can make settlement offers.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, you&#8217;re missing on payments, creditors mark your account as &#8220;cease and desist&#8221; (because you&#8217;ve notified them that you&#8217;re working with a debt consolidator, who may be an attorney and federal law requires no further contact to the debtor) and don&#8217;t contact you to work out any arrangements.  After about 180 days, the creditor issues the debt to an attorney for collection, who then file suit, obtain a judgment, and garnish assets, employment, tax returns, etc.  Meanwhile, interest accrued (probably at the credit card contract&#8217;s default rate of 28%) up until suit was filed, then attorneys fees, court costs, and statutory interest accrues after judgment is obtained (dating back to when suit was filed).  All of this could have probably been avoided with a $50 payment to the creditor and not the Debt Consolidator.  And remember, even though judgments only last for 10 years, renewing the judgment for another 10 is almost as simple as paying $20.  Imagine paying on a credit card 19 years after you got sued because it keeps collecting interest and the post-judgment recovery never zeroes out the balance?</p>
<p>For a Debt Consolidation company, this is great, because all you need are a couple of people to answer phones, a way to merge documents to create the &#8220;start-up kit&#8221; with names, SSNs, debt information, and the powers of attorney.  Then you count the money.  If you have 100 customers (a manageable number for a 2 person operation), that&#8217;s $5000 a month in straight income.  Then you make a few phone calls a day to the creditors, make some lowball offers, get rejected, and then tell your client &#8220;well, the creditors are just being unreasonable, but we&#8217;ll keep at it.&#8221;  So long as you don&#8217;t have a soul, it would be an outstanding side hustle.  Sure, some accounts would settle or set up payment arrangements (which you can fix by having a &#8220;No Payment Arrangement Policy&#8221;), but most files will just lay dormant.</p>
<p>This is why a slew of Debt Consolidation companies went out of business in the past few years (Hess-Kennedy being the most recent).</p>
<p>Sorry for being so cynical, but I have no respect for these Debt Consolidation companies.  Granted, Creditors probably aren&#8217;t any nicer, but at least they are actually owed the money.  Debt Consolidators just smell blood in the water and want to get in on the action.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Connell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before taking advice from anyone, ask yourself: how do they gain? Then you can know if you can trust them or not.</description>
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		<title>By: Eliminate Debt Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliminate Debt Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa that is really scary. They sound so good and in most cases it will work. Your debt can be taken care of much easily but with a cost.

I&#039;m glad I read these tips and I hope others will realize this too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa that is really scary. They sound so good and in most cases it will work. Your debt can be taken care of much easily but with a cost.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I read these tips and I hope others will realize this too.</p>
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