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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one of the places I worked, people would take a &quot;mental health&quot; day, and use up a personal or a sick day in so doing. It was a great thing. They came back refreshed and more focused. We worked with special needs children. Sometimes the stress would get to you, and so taking a &quot;mental health&quot; day was not only good for staff; it was good for our clients, too.

After all, the mind can get sick, too. Keep it well. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one of the places I worked, people would take a &#8220;mental health&#8221; day, and use up a personal or a sick day in so doing. It was a great thing. They came back refreshed and more focused. We worked with special needs children. Sometimes the stress would get to you, and so taking a &#8220;mental health&#8221; day was not only good for staff; it was good for our clients, too.</p>
<p>After all, the mind can get sick, too. Keep it well. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Gert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IRG, I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  Been there done that and the very sad fact was the company I hired into started out as ethical and upstanding and due to the economy, took advantage of the situation and turned into exactly what you described as reality.

Complete with being fired with cause completely manufactured.  I fought it and won my UI with little effort as the company had developed a reputation and it was quite obvious the HR manager lied because I cited exactly what they accused me of after telling me to do that.  

Trust no one, keep to yourself, do your job.  

That&#039;s the only way to survive if you don&#039;t want to sell your soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IRG, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  Been there done that and the very sad fact was the company I hired into started out as ethical and upstanding and due to the economy, took advantage of the situation and turned into exactly what you described as reality.</p>
<p>Complete with being fired with cause completely manufactured.  I fought it and won my UI with little effort as the company had developed a reputation and it was quite obvious the HR manager lied because I cited exactly what they accused me of after telling me to do that.  </p>
<p>Trust no one, keep to yourself, do your job.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the only way to survive if you don&#8217;t want to sell your soul.</p>
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		<title>By: ping</title>
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		<dc:creator>ping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The no. 1 tactic is not true. I have a colleague who comes to work like he doesnt care, sometimes stinking and often sloppy, always late and leaves early, but he is the favorite of the bosses because he plays golf with them. He is totally incompetent and the company will save lots of money without him. But he gets all the perks and the bosses loves him. He is dumb and for almost two years working with us still can&#039;t figure out to use excel sheet. Its ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The no. 1 tactic is not true. I have a colleague who comes to work like he doesnt care, sometimes stinking and often sloppy, always late and leaves early, but he is the favorite of the bosses because he plays golf with them. He is totally incompetent and the company will save lots of money without him. But he gets all the perks and the bosses loves him. He is dumb and for almost two years working with us still can&#8217;t figure out to use excel sheet. Its ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! That&#039;s quite a list. All good points though! Most likely the person willing to do all these things to &quot;get ahead&quot; will be able to do most of these tips without concentrating on doing them or checking them off on a checklist. Many of these habits come naturally to those who are valuable, contributing employees. If these tips don&#039;t fit your behavior and you are wise enough to take the good advice, you&#039;ll certainly notice a difference in how you succeed on the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! That&#8217;s quite a list. All good points though! Most likely the person willing to do all these things to &#8220;get ahead&#8221; will be able to do most of these tips without concentrating on doing them or checking them off on a checklist. Many of these habits come naturally to those who are valuable, contributing employees. If these tips don&#8217;t fit your behavior and you are wise enough to take the good advice, you&#8217;ll certainly notice a difference in how you succeed on the job.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
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		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only &quot;don&#039;t backstab,&quot; but &quot;actively help others&quot;. If you mentor people who are bright, willing to work hard and show promise, they&#039;ll be your strongest advocates and watch your back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only &#8220;don&#8217;t backstab,&#8221; but &#8220;actively help others&#8221;. If you mentor people who are bright, willing to work hard and show promise, they&#8217;ll be your strongest advocates and watch your back.</p>
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		<title>By: Attagirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the comment that some managers assign more work to those who do their work well, and those who don&#039;t are effectively rewarded for poor work.  Yes, that&#039;s certainly true that some coworkers do less work.  However, it isn&#039;t my goal in life to make sure that I do an equal amount of work compared to everyone else.  To the contrary, I see that other person doing a poor job and think how ashamed I would be if that were me.  I&#039;d rather have pride in my work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the comment that some managers assign more work to those who do their work well, and those who don&#8217;t are effectively rewarded for poor work.  Yes, that&#8217;s certainly true that some coworkers do less work.  However, it isn&#8217;t my goal in life to make sure that I do an equal amount of work compared to everyone else.  To the contrary, I see that other person doing a poor job and think how ashamed I would be if that were me.  I&#8217;d rather have pride in my work.</p>
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		<title>By: urmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>urmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent - I like your list; these things are in line with my idea of what it should be like and what I hope will work out in my present workplace. My experience with my past job at a big corporation was more in line with what IRG wrote in comment #10, though. An increasingly toxic work environment and unethical behaviour - unfortunately not a rare exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent &#8211; I like your list; these things are in line with my idea of what it should be like and what I hope will work out in my present workplace. My experience with my past job at a big corporation was more in line with what IRG wrote in comment #10, though. An increasingly toxic work environment and unethical behaviour &#8211; unfortunately not a rare exception.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George said: &quot;Half of the managers that I’ve worked for have a tendency to assign more work to those who do their work well. Those who aren’t doing their work well are effectively rewarded for doing poor work.&quot;

^^^^^THIS. It happens ALL the time. It&#039;s such a double edged sword, because until/if you get promoted (which is not always possible or guaranteed), that peer who&#039;s doing 70% of the work that you are is getting paid exactly the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George said: &#8220;Half of the managers that I’ve worked for have a tendency to assign more work to those who do their work well. Those who aren’t doing their work well are effectively rewarded for doing poor work.&#8221;</p>
<p>^^^^^THIS. It happens ALL the time. It&#8217;s such a double edged sword, because until/if you get promoted (which is not always possible or guaranteed), that peer who&#8217;s doing 70% of the work that you are is getting paid exactly the same.</p>
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		<title>By: TStrump</title>
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		<dc:creator>TStrump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great tips!
I&#039;m wondering if these tips work in all areas ... I worked in the public sector for a while, and let&#039;s just say, people didn&#039;t like to take responsibility or own up to their mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great tips!<br />
I&#8217;m wondering if these tips work in all areas &#8230; I worked in the public sector for a while, and let&#8217;s just say, people didn&#8217;t like to take responsibility or own up to their mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: disavow</title>
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		<dc:creator>disavow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article!  I&#039;ve already shared it with both my mentor and mentee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article!  I&#8217;ve already shared it with both my mentor and mentee.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCalGal</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoCalGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...this is certainly an enlightening thread!

IRG, although I think you make some good and valid points, my experience is that not every company is as negative an environment as you paint.  There are good and bad aspects of every job and every company. My philosophy is that if the work environment becomes so toxic that it begins to poison my personal life, I must leave and save myself!!  Fortunately, this has happened to me only once, and leaving was the best thing I ever did for myself and my career.  

Scotty, I so much agree with you that work is truly a social place.  You have to take the time to get to know people enough to take the right approach with each, in order to get what you need to do your job effectively.  If you don&#039;t take the time to develop business relationships or at times, friendships with your co-workers, you will ultimately run into a brick wall.  I can say that personally, I am much more inclined to drop everything and provide ASAP data to someone who has approached me in a friendly and professional manner. And, later, they will usually do the same for me.

Trent, thanks as always for providing another thought-provoking article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;this is certainly an enlightening thread!</p>
<p>IRG, although I think you make some good and valid points, my experience is that not every company is as negative an environment as you paint.  There are good and bad aspects of every job and every company. My philosophy is that if the work environment becomes so toxic that it begins to poison my personal life, I must leave and save myself!!  Fortunately, this has happened to me only once, and leaving was the best thing I ever did for myself and my career.  </p>
<p>Scotty, I so much agree with you that work is truly a social place.  You have to take the time to get to know people enough to take the right approach with each, in order to get what you need to do your job effectively.  If you don&#8217;t take the time to develop business relationships or at times, friendships with your co-workers, you will ultimately run into a brick wall.  I can say that personally, I am much more inclined to drop everything and provide ASAP data to someone who has approached me in a friendly and professional manner. And, later, they will usually do the same for me.</p>
<p>Trent, thanks as always for providing another thought-provoking article.</p>
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		<title>By: BonzoGal</title>
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		<dc:creator>BonzoGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the company for which I currently work, &quot;fitting in&quot; means that you&#039;re good at what you do and you&#039;re enthusiastic about what the company does. That&#039;s it.  We have a hugely diverse population here, and it doesn&#039;t matter what your gender, skin color, religion, education level, etc. are-  it just matters that you&#039;re competent and willing to pitch in.  The folks who end up either not getting hired or who get &quot;pushed out&quot; are the ones who display an &quot;I don&#039;t give a crap&quot; attitude. 

Guess I&#039;m lucky-  this is a great place to work, and people are recognized for doing their best, no matter what job level they&#039;re in or what their perceived &quot;difference&quot; might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the company for which I currently work, &#8220;fitting in&#8221; means that you&#8217;re good at what you do and you&#8217;re enthusiastic about what the company does. That&#8217;s it.  We have a hugely diverse population here, and it doesn&#8217;t matter what your gender, skin color, religion, education level, etc. are-  it just matters that you&#8217;re competent and willing to pitch in.  The folks who end up either not getting hired or who get &#8220;pushed out&#8221; are the ones who display an &#8220;I don&#8217;t give a crap&#8221; attitude. </p>
<p>Guess I&#8217;m lucky-  this is a great place to work, and people are recognized for doing their best, no matter what job level they&#8217;re in or what their perceived &#8220;difference&#8221; might be.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Littlepitcher, you are probably covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Even if you do not have disabilities, you are almost certainly being perceived as disabled. You might want to talk to a disability lawyer about your employment experiences and see if anything happened that is actionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Littlepitcher, you are probably covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Even if you do not have disabilities, you are almost certainly being perceived as disabled. You might want to talk to a disability lawyer about your employment experiences and see if anything happened that is actionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, great post and great comments too.

I&#039;ve worked at and heard of places that IRG is talking about.  Toxic workplaces.  If you can&#039;t get ahead, you have to move on.  The place I work now is wonderful...but I followed my old bosses here.  It&#039;s full of hardworking people and very few egos.

On the sick time...at my last company, they let you take as much as you needed.  I thought this was great...when you are sick, you stay home.  A female coworker constantly complained that she&#039;d rather get 5 extra days lumped with vacation...but then again, she comes in sick ALL THE TIME.  Because the whole place will shut down without her.  No thanks.  Keep your germs at home.

Here I only get five days...I&#039;m not sure how I feel about that.  In the last 10 years, I&#039;d say my sick days have ranged from 2 to 7, with an average of about 3 or 3.5.  (The 7 was the year I had a baby, was working FT, nursing, pumping, not sleeping...).  At least I&#039;m allowed to use half of them if my kid is sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, great post and great comments too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked at and heard of places that IRG is talking about.  Toxic workplaces.  If you can&#8217;t get ahead, you have to move on.  The place I work now is wonderful&#8230;but I followed my old bosses here.  It&#8217;s full of hardworking people and very few egos.</p>
<p>On the sick time&#8230;at my last company, they let you take as much as you needed.  I thought this was great&#8230;when you are sick, you stay home.  A female coworker constantly complained that she&#8217;d rather get 5 extra days lumped with vacation&#8230;but then again, she comes in sick ALL THE TIME.  Because the whole place will shut down without her.  No thanks.  Keep your germs at home.</p>
<p>Here I only get five days&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure how I feel about that.  In the last 10 years, I&#8217;d say my sick days have ranged from 2 to 7, with an average of about 3 or 3.5.  (The 7 was the year I had a baby, was working FT, nursing, pumping, not sleeping&#8230;).  At least I&#8217;m allowed to use half of them if my kid is sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Tentaculistic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tentaculistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this really hit it home for me, those rules are EXACTLY right for my work environment (which I understand isn&#039;t always true for all work environments).  I work in a consulting firm, where it&#039;s fairly easy to switch projects... so long as managers (who talk to each other!) want you on their team.  

Perhaps because of that dynamic, which is unique I know, I have really seen Trent&#039;s advice pay off.  People who work hard, do good work, and have appropriate social skills are in demand so they have a choice of projects if they are not happy in one.  They get ahead with promotions an opportunities and see the company as a place with good career advancement.  

The other people, the ones who just barely do their work but aren&#039;t really even there mentally, live to gossip negatively, or talk inappropriately (real-life conversations I&#039;ve heard discussed loudly in common areas: their boob jobs - &quot;I looked like one of those National Geographic women with boobs hanging to their waists&quot;! - or their first menstural period -no quote there it was just too gross - and childhood penis stories - I know, really??) they tend to find their jobs suck and life never really gets better as they get shuffled from bad project and bad manager to another.  My company doesn&#039;t fire, they just let people... linger... hoping the slackers will just quit and go somewhere else.  Not terribly mature, but lots of managers hate to fire people and if they can take the passive route they will.

One coworker when we were both entry-level was very nice but just... not so good at anything, and after struggling mightily to find any work at all (it got so bad that I used to give her random made-up work to help her out) she came to me for advice just before her yearly review.  I knew that this would be one of the few exceptions to the &quot;no-fire&quot; rule, and the review would be the first official wtite-up building a case against her, so I took her to a conference room and told her, absolutely as kindly as I could, that the review wasn&#039;t going to be good... we made a strategy that she would say she wasn&#039;t very happy with the work and wanted to switch to our corporate infrastructure (working for HR).  It worked perfectly - they were so relieved not to have to be &quot;mean&quot; to a nice person but not still have to have her on the team, that they gave her a glowing annual review that helped her get into the corporate office.  Since that&#039;s far away, I have no idea what happened to her since we fell out of touch pretty quickly, but it seemed like a good transition.

Anyway, I agree with Trent... I also agree with IRG that work can easily devolve into a locker room (which I&#039;ve also seen, and Trent himself talked about his experience at a research lab where his enthusiasm pissed off his slacker coworkers enough that they sabotaged him into getting fired).  I have optimism that someone smart enough to see the writing on the wall can find a way to transistion to a less toxic atmosphere somehow, somewhere.  Recession notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this really hit it home for me, those rules are EXACTLY right for my work environment (which I understand isn&#8217;t always true for all work environments).  I work in a consulting firm, where it&#8217;s fairly easy to switch projects&#8230; so long as managers (who talk to each other!) want you on their team.  </p>
<p>Perhaps because of that dynamic, which is unique I know, I have really seen Trent&#8217;s advice pay off.  People who work hard, do good work, and have appropriate social skills are in demand so they have a choice of projects if they are not happy in one.  They get ahead with promotions an opportunities and see the company as a place with good career advancement.  </p>
<p>The other people, the ones who just barely do their work but aren&#8217;t really even there mentally, live to gossip negatively, or talk inappropriately (real-life conversations I&#8217;ve heard discussed loudly in common areas: their boob jobs &#8211; &#8220;I looked like one of those National Geographic women with boobs hanging to their waists&#8221;! &#8211; or their first menstural period -no quote there it was just too gross &#8211; and childhood penis stories &#8211; I know, really??) they tend to find their jobs suck and life never really gets better as they get shuffled from bad project and bad manager to another.  My company doesn&#8217;t fire, they just let people&#8230; linger&#8230; hoping the slackers will just quit and go somewhere else.  Not terribly mature, but lots of managers hate to fire people and if they can take the passive route they will.</p>
<p>One coworker when we were both entry-level was very nice but just&#8230; not so good at anything, and after struggling mightily to find any work at all (it got so bad that I used to give her random made-up work to help her out) she came to me for advice just before her yearly review.  I knew that this would be one of the few exceptions to the &#8220;no-fire&#8221; rule, and the review would be the first official wtite-up building a case against her, so I took her to a conference room and told her, absolutely as kindly as I could, that the review wasn&#8217;t going to be good&#8230; we made a strategy that she would say she wasn&#8217;t very happy with the work and wanted to switch to our corporate infrastructure (working for HR).  It worked perfectly &#8211; they were so relieved not to have to be &#8220;mean&#8221; to a nice person but not still have to have her on the team, that they gave her a glowing annual review that helped her get into the corporate office.  Since that&#8217;s far away, I have no idea what happened to her since we fell out of touch pretty quickly, but it seemed like a good transition.</p>
<p>Anyway, I agree with Trent&#8230; I also agree with IRG that work can easily devolve into a locker room (which I&#8217;ve also seen, and Trent himself talked about his experience at a research lab where his enthusiasm pissed off his slacker coworkers enough that they sabotaged him into getting fired).  I have optimism that someone smart enough to see the writing on the wall can find a way to transistion to a less toxic atmosphere somehow, somewhere.  Recession notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  IRG&#039;s comments.  I think you are right in many ways.  I spent many years working for the government and saw so much of this type of behavior.  There were many individuals in management who were ethical and competent and even excellent.  And there were many who were not.  There was one characteristic which most people who got ahead had in common:  sucking up.  It might be pretending to agree with the big shots even you don&#039;t or willingness to act on any idea suggested by the boss - regardless of how ludicrous.

Another thing I saw a lot of in government was the &quot;promote &#039;em out&quot; style of conflict management.  When you had a non-performing or difficult employee it was easier to help them find another position or support them in a promotion to another department than it was to implement proper discipline.

I thought these types of behaviors (and many others you described) were limited to government (silly me).  I found out very differently when I was recruited to work for a GIGANTIC private sector company.  Early in my employment, I requested an observation of top performers in their specialized areas so that I could learn to be more effective.  I consistently saw these much-lauded top performers skate around the rules, break the law, etc.  

I eventually concluded that the company was filled with liars, cheaters, and thieves.  I could no longer work for them.  Even though I did not have another job, I gave my notice.  I stepped out on blind faith that things would work out because I was doing the right thing. And they did work out.  I worked for several different employers before I landed where I am now, a place where I&#039;m valued and can grow.

The workplace environment described by IRG is real and is awful.  It is possible to work for a person or organization who values you as an individual and is in line with your personal ethics and beliefs.  You just have to go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  IRG&#8217;s comments.  I think you are right in many ways.  I spent many years working for the government and saw so much of this type of behavior.  There were many individuals in management who were ethical and competent and even excellent.  And there were many who were not.  There was one characteristic which most people who got ahead had in common:  sucking up.  It might be pretending to agree with the big shots even you don&#8217;t or willingness to act on any idea suggested by the boss &#8211; regardless of how ludicrous.</p>
<p>Another thing I saw a lot of in government was the &#8220;promote &#8216;em out&#8221; style of conflict management.  When you had a non-performing or difficult employee it was easier to help them find another position or support them in a promotion to another department than it was to implement proper discipline.</p>
<p>I thought these types of behaviors (and many others you described) were limited to government (silly me).  I found out very differently when I was recruited to work for a GIGANTIC private sector company.  Early in my employment, I requested an observation of top performers in their specialized areas so that I could learn to be more effective.  I consistently saw these much-lauded top performers skate around the rules, break the law, etc.  </p>
<p>I eventually concluded that the company was filled with liars, cheaters, and thieves.  I could no longer work for them.  Even though I did not have another job, I gave my notice.  I stepped out on blind faith that things would work out because I was doing the right thing. And they did work out.  I worked for several different employers before I landed where I am now, a place where I&#8217;m valued and can grow.</p>
<p>The workplace environment described by IRG is real and is awful.  It is possible to work for a person or organization who values you as an individual and is in line with your personal ethics and beliefs.  You just have to go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: guinness416</title>
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		<dc:creator>guinness416</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point Johanna.  My family in Dublin all get anything from 20-35 vacation days a year, and rarely if ever phone in sick.  Do some people really get five vacation days a year?  That&#039;s absolutely shocking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point Johanna.  My family in Dublin all get anything from 20-35 vacation days a year, and rarely if ever phone in sick.  Do some people really get five vacation days a year?  That&#8217;s absolutely shocking.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe there wouldn&#039;t be a problem with people using sick days as vacation days if American employers weren&#039;t so stingy with vacation time to begin with.  If I only got 5 vacation days a year, you can bet that I&#039;d be doing everything I could to game the system for extra time off too.  

Where I work, we get 15 vacation days a year, and anyone who&#039;s been here longer than five years gets 20.  We also get 10 sick days, and nobody ever takes them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe there wouldn&#8217;t be a problem with people using sick days as vacation days if American employers weren&#8217;t so stingy with vacation time to begin with.  If I only got 5 vacation days a year, you can bet that I&#8217;d be doing everything I could to game the system for extra time off too.  </p>
<p>Where I work, we get 15 vacation days a year, and anyone who&#8217;s been here longer than five years gets 20.  We also get 10 sick days, and nobody ever takes them all.</p>
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		<title>By: littlepitcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>littlepitcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire idea of &quot;corporate culture&quot; almost certainly originated with a bigot attempting to exclude working-class, women, minorities, etc.  

No article of this sort ever addresses the subject of the misfit and how to work around this problem.  As a disfigured individual who has been through the last-hired first-fired revolving door more than a few times, it would be wonderful to hear some creative ideas for how to make the concept of &quot;fit&quot; sufficiently irrelevant to management to eradicate or minimize job insecurity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire idea of &#8220;corporate culture&#8221; almost certainly originated with a bigot attempting to exclude working-class, women, minorities, etc.  </p>
<p>No article of this sort ever addresses the subject of the misfit and how to work around this problem.  As a disfigured individual who has been through the last-hired first-fired revolving door more than a few times, it would be wonderful to hear some creative ideas for how to make the concept of &#8220;fit&#8221; sufficiently irrelevant to management to eradicate or minimize job insecurity.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these are good tips. Certainly different things may work differently in different companies, but for the most part I agree. I would like to add that where applicable, one needs to keep one&#039;s skills current, try to always have critical skills yet learn new technologies as well. I would second the advice above of being nice to everybody. You never know - some time from now this person may be your manager. Be nice to a cashier in a cafeteria too: the guy who stays in line behind you may just get the bad impression about you if you are rude. Same guy may become your manager one day.

Regarding sick days. My employer (IBM) doesn&#039;t limit sick days - if you are sick you can stay home - as long as your work is done. Nobody even keeps track of sick days. I think if you are sick for a long period of time e.g. a month, the manager needs to do some paperwork - if he bothers. I am not sure, though. But... at the end of the year you are still evaluated on your accomplishments and you are graded on a curve relative to everyone else. Not just in your immediate group, across groups as well, all the way up to the 5th management level. Notice, it&#039;s accomplishments, not how you spent your time. So you can be sick for a long time, but in the time that remains, you still need to accomplish at least as much as everyone who isn&#039;t sick. And still meet the deadlines. You can also work from home if you wish assuming you are there for critical meetings (although in recent years more and more meetings are teleconferences).

I noticed an interesting thing. When people have 10 days or so, they tend to take them. During the 25 years I&#039;ve been with IBM, even before the current evaluation/ranking system was introduced, even in the 80s when we still had full employment policy, I haven&#039;t seen a single person take a sick day when they weren&#039;t really sick. If anything, people coming to work when sick has always been more of a problem. Now we can work from home, so this is less of a problem, although occasionally someone shows up sneezing. 

One I talked with someone and mentioned our policy of unlimited number of sick days. He said - &quot;oh but this is terrible. It means that you only take sick days when you are really sick&quot;. I said &quot;well, yes, this is the idea&quot;.

I think these companies that limit number of days should think about it. As to putting all days - vacation, sick, etc. - together, I think it&#039;s terrible. All it means is that some people will be coming to work sick, infect others and productivity will drop. Some other people will just take more days. Doesn&#039;t make sense to me, at least not in places where the type of job allows evaluation based on accomplishments.

DDFD: #29: &quot;Nice advice, but the sad thing these days you can do everything right and still get laid off . . .&quot;
Unfortunately this is very true. Good evaluations may reduce your risk somewhat, but not eliminate it. Especially in large corporations where the decisions are often made 4 levels above your immediate manager. It&#039;s very demoralizing too even for those who stay, especially when you see very good people laid off. You are asking yourself &quot;why him and not me?&quot;, and if the choice seems random or just luck (e.g. being on a critical project at the right time), it&#039;s really scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these are good tips. Certainly different things may work differently in different companies, but for the most part I agree. I would like to add that where applicable, one needs to keep one&#8217;s skills current, try to always have critical skills yet learn new technologies as well. I would second the advice above of being nice to everybody. You never know &#8211; some time from now this person may be your manager. Be nice to a cashier in a cafeteria too: the guy who stays in line behind you may just get the bad impression about you if you are rude. Same guy may become your manager one day.</p>
<p>Regarding sick days. My employer (IBM) doesn&#8217;t limit sick days &#8211; if you are sick you can stay home &#8211; as long as your work is done. Nobody even keeps track of sick days. I think if you are sick for a long period of time e.g. a month, the manager needs to do some paperwork &#8211; if he bothers. I am not sure, though. But&#8230; at the end of the year you are still evaluated on your accomplishments and you are graded on a curve relative to everyone else. Not just in your immediate group, across groups as well, all the way up to the 5th management level. Notice, it&#8217;s accomplishments, not how you spent your time. So you can be sick for a long time, but in the time that remains, you still need to accomplish at least as much as everyone who isn&#8217;t sick. And still meet the deadlines. You can also work from home if you wish assuming you are there for critical meetings (although in recent years more and more meetings are teleconferences).</p>
<p>I noticed an interesting thing. When people have 10 days or so, they tend to take them. During the 25 years I&#8217;ve been with IBM, even before the current evaluation/ranking system was introduced, even in the 80s when we still had full employment policy, I haven&#8217;t seen a single person take a sick day when they weren&#8217;t really sick. If anything, people coming to work when sick has always been more of a problem. Now we can work from home, so this is less of a problem, although occasionally someone shows up sneezing. </p>
<p>One I talked with someone and mentioned our policy of unlimited number of sick days. He said &#8211; &#8220;oh but this is terrible. It means that you only take sick days when you are really sick&#8221;. I said &#8220;well, yes, this is the idea&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think these companies that limit number of days should think about it. As to putting all days &#8211; vacation, sick, etc. &#8211; together, I think it&#8217;s terrible. All it means is that some people will be coming to work sick, infect others and productivity will drop. Some other people will just take more days. Doesn&#8217;t make sense to me, at least not in places where the type of job allows evaluation based on accomplishments.</p>
<p>DDFD: #29: &#8220;Nice advice, but the sad thing these days you can do everything right and still get laid off . . .&#8221;<br />
Unfortunately this is very true. Good evaluations may reduce your risk somewhat, but not eliminate it. Especially in large corporations where the decisions are often made 4 levels above your immediate manager. It&#8217;s very demoralizing too even for those who stay, especially when you see very good people laid off. You are asking yourself &#8220;why him and not me?&#8221;, and if the choice seems random or just luck (e.g. being on a critical project at the right time), it&#8217;s really scary.</p>
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