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	<title>Comments on: The Art of the Apology</title>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-634422</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In our house, we don&#039;t just apologize, but we follow it with the question, &quot;Will you forgive me?&quot;  Why?  Because apologies just hang there.  They don&#039;t give the offended party an opportunity to respond.  Most get the &quot;I&#039;m sorry&quot; and respond with &quot;It&#039;s ok.&quot;  Well, it&#039;s not ok and one shouldn&#039;t have to say that it is.  We are not called to be ok with someone&#039;s behavior or words, but we believe that we ARE called to forgive. 

I&#039;ll never forget the day that my 2 year old daughter came to me and said, &quot;Mommy, I&#039;m sorry.  Will you forgive me?&quot;  My heart melted and my anger at whatever it was that she&#039;d done was completely melted away.  Ever since then, we all use that form of apology.  

I encourage everyone to try it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our house, we don&#8217;t just apologize, but we follow it with the question, &#8220;Will you forgive me?&#8221;  Why?  Because apologies just hang there.  They don&#8217;t give the offended party an opportunity to respond.  Most get the &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry&#8221; and respond with &#8220;It&#8217;s ok.&#8221;  Well, it&#8217;s not ok and one shouldn&#8217;t have to say that it is.  We are not called to be ok with someone&#8217;s behavior or words, but we believe that we ARE called to forgive. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never forget the day that my 2 year old daughter came to me and said, &#8220;Mommy, I&#8217;m sorry.  Will you forgive me?&#8221;  My heart melted and my anger at whatever it was that she&#8217;d done was completely melted away.  Ever since then, we all use that form of apology.  </p>
<p>I encourage everyone to try it.</p>
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		<title>By: DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-634294</link>
		<dc:creator>DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies can be expensive in the pride department.  But can also increase the value of your proverbial stock-- that you can man or woman up to your mistakes . . .  apparently, this misguided individual may never learn that.

As for the grammar cop-- your helpfulness should have been done via a private email . . . I think you owe a very public apology!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies can be expensive in the pride department.  But can also increase the value of your proverbial stock&#8211; that you can man or woman up to your mistakes . . .  apparently, this misguided individual may never learn that.</p>
<p>As for the grammar cop&#8211; your helpfulness should have been done via a private email . . . I think you owe a very public apology!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-633271</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the most entertainment I&#039;ve had since playing fetch with my dogs this morning.  People are so upset about this apology, or lack of one.  Meanwhile, I feel sorry for the brother who is the subject of so much public judgement from someone who loves him.  We all have our things, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most entertainment I&#8217;ve had since playing fetch with my dogs this morning.  People are so upset about this apology, or lack of one.  Meanwhile, I feel sorry for the brother who is the subject of so much public judgement from someone who loves him.  We all have our things, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-632288</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Sharon,  I do enjoy my happiness.  And just for future reference,  my glasses are silver,  not rose-colored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Sharon,  I do enjoy my happiness.  And just for future reference,  my glasses are silver,  not rose-colored.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-632280</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everyone, Kris. I hope you enjoy your happy little bubble that you live in with your rose-colored glasses on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everyone, Kris. I hope you enjoy your happy little bubble that you live in with your rose-colored glasses on.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-632273</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Sharon,  all I can say is that it must be hard and lonely living your life thinking everyone is going to stab you in the back.  Sounds like a sad life to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Sharon,  all I can say is that it must be hard and lonely living your life thinking everyone is going to stab you in the back.  Sounds like a sad life to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-632251</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t the supervisor in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t the supervisor in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-632181</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The supervisor slurred Trent&#039;s reputation and shamed him publicly with little cause--which shows  a lack of professionalism and political savvy.

Maybe she could have saved her own butt by admitting to herself her a) technological lack of knowledge and b) the tactical inappropriateness of choosing a public forum to lash out at Trent and by making a very public and complete apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The supervisor slurred Trent&#8217;s reputation and shamed him publicly with little cause&#8211;which shows  a lack of professionalism and political savvy.</p>
<p>Maybe she could have saved her own butt by admitting to herself her a) technological lack of knowledge and b) the tactical inappropriateness of choosing a public forum to lash out at Trent and by making a very public and complete apology.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-632173</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Kris, I hope that you don&#039;t find out how wrong you are! I also hope that you have enough confidence in your own integrity, work ethic and so on that when you get stabbed in the back and outmaneuvered, you have fun looking for your next job without a good reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Kris, I hope that you don&#8217;t find out how wrong you are! I also hope that you have enough confidence in your own integrity, work ethic and so on that when you get stabbed in the back and outmaneuvered, you have fun looking for your next job without a good reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-632150</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its part of the office environment that you will run into someone who lacks integrity and blames others for their shortcomings.  I have had my share of people blaming me for them not being able to do their job, but you know what,  I have 100% confidence in my own integrity, professionalism and work ethic.  

I know my managers and coworkers trust me and wouldn&#039;t believe for a second that I would &quot;tamper&quot; with someones work. If you don&#039;t feel your coworkers would trust you, your work ethic, your integrity and you need a public apology in front of the entire group for them to know you wouldn&#039;t tamper with someone&#039;s work,  then perhaps the problem isn&#039;t with your coworkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its part of the office environment that you will run into someone who lacks integrity and blames others for their shortcomings.  I have had my share of people blaming me for them not being able to do their job, but you know what,  I have 100% confidence in my own integrity, professionalism and work ethic.  </p>
<p>I know my managers and coworkers trust me and wouldn&#8217;t believe for a second that I would &#8220;tamper&#8221; with someones work. If you don&#8217;t feel your coworkers would trust you, your work ethic, your integrity and you need a public apology in front of the entire group for them to know you wouldn&#8217;t tamper with someone&#8217;s work,  then perhaps the problem isn&#8217;t with your coworkers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-631623</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I make a PUBLIC ACCUSATION of malfeasance against someone in error, the very least I can do is make PUBLIC APOLOGY IN FRONT OF THE SAME PEOPLE I MADE THE ACCUSATION TO. Since this little darling didn&#039;t hesitate to smear Trent IN PUBLIC BEFORE HIS COWORKERS, I don&#039;t see what her problem was in making amends in the very same setting. 

On the occasions when I have made mistakes, I admit them to the folks involved and my apology is completely sincere, and I don&#039;t make that particular mistake again. 

I have been the victim of a very public and very erroneous smear by a woman with no integrity. There was no apology, no attempt by the supervisor to correct the situation, and guess what? My coworkers turned against me. This isn&#039;t an &quot;ego&quot; thing for Trent -- it is a very real threat that can undermine him permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I make a PUBLIC ACCUSATION of malfeasance against someone in error, the very least I can do is make PUBLIC APOLOGY IN FRONT OF THE SAME PEOPLE I MADE THE ACCUSATION TO. Since this little darling didn&#8217;t hesitate to smear Trent IN PUBLIC BEFORE HIS COWORKERS, I don&#8217;t see what her problem was in making amends in the very same setting. </p>
<p>On the occasions when I have made mistakes, I admit them to the folks involved and my apology is completely sincere, and I don&#8217;t make that particular mistake again. </p>
<p>I have been the victim of a very public and very erroneous smear by a woman with no integrity. There was no apology, no attempt by the supervisor to correct the situation, and guess what? My coworkers turned against me. This isn&#8217;t an &#8220;ego&#8221; thing for Trent &#8212; it is a very real threat that can undermine him permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-631575</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Sharon:  Couldn&#039;t disagree with you more.  The boss should have handled this with a meeting with just Trent and the woman who made the accusations,  and maybe an HR rep if Trent felt so threatened by this.  Continuing this situation in public just continues the problem and makes it difficult for everyone in the work group forcing the group to pick sides between the two. No doubt that everyone knew the real situation long before the meeting where she gave her insincere apology as nothing is kept quiet in an office and it would have been obvious when I.T. had to replace the keyboard.  I am not saying she didn&#039;t owe Trent an apology, I&#039;m just saying the boss shouldn&#039;t have forced a public one.  The only reason for a public apology would be to satisfy Trent&#039;s ego and humiliate the woman who made a mistake by making the stupid accusations to begin with.  I am sure a sincere apology to Trent would have been sufficient,  why the need to keep all the public drama in the office?

How would you feel if you made a mistake and owed someone an apology for it and your boss steps in and makes you do it in front of your entire group?  Wouldn&#039;t your apology be a little insincere in that situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sharon:  Couldn&#8217;t disagree with you more.  The boss should have handled this with a meeting with just Trent and the woman who made the accusations,  and maybe an HR rep if Trent felt so threatened by this.  Continuing this situation in public just continues the problem and makes it difficult for everyone in the work group forcing the group to pick sides between the two. No doubt that everyone knew the real situation long before the meeting where she gave her insincere apology as nothing is kept quiet in an office and it would have been obvious when I.T. had to replace the keyboard.  I am not saying she didn&#8217;t owe Trent an apology, I&#8217;m just saying the boss shouldn&#8217;t have forced a public one.  The only reason for a public apology would be to satisfy Trent&#8217;s ego and humiliate the woman who made a mistake by making the stupid accusations to begin with.  I am sure a sincere apology to Trent would have been sufficient,  why the need to keep all the public drama in the office?</p>
<p>How would you feel if you made a mistake and owed someone an apology for it and your boss steps in and makes you do it in front of your entire group?  Wouldn&#8217;t your apology be a little insincere in that situation?</p>
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		<title>By: plonkee</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-631212</link>
		<dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, you deliberately never interact with your commentators. Please accept that some people wish you would change your mind and that you might never persuade them that you are right. People write so that you will comment. Everyone&#039;s blog is their own ego trip because &lt;em&gt;an audience is awesome&lt;/em&gt; - most people (including you) just try to limit that aspect as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, you deliberately never interact with your commentators. Please accept that some people wish you would change your mind and that you might never persuade them that you are right. People write so that you will comment. Everyone&#8217;s blog is their own ego trip because <em>an audience is awesome</em> &#8211; most people (including you) just try to limit that aspect as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-630989</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you accuse someone of malicious acts in public, then you SHOULD apologize to them in the same public manner. The boss was entirely in the right on that one, in my opinion. It WAS necessary because without it, people might well believe that Trent sabotaged her. And in the end, this &quot;person&quot; could continue to sabotage Trent and result in HIS getting fired. Rumors fly all over and without setting the record straight Trent could end up the victim. 

Furthermore, the boss gave this idiot a chance to redeem herself with the apology in the same forum as the accusation. That she chose not to do so, and in fact, to dig herself in even deeper, was a telling reaction that let the boss accurately assess her character and ensure that she no longer poisoned the workplace. 

Had I been her boss, I would have immediately assumed that this little darling was not only pulling this on others besides Trent, but whenever someone accuses someone of sabotage, I assume that they are capable of it and probably engaging in sabotage themselves. In fact, I would wonder if she didn&#039;t sabotage her own keyboard to engineer this whole thing. In any case, She would have been headed out the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you accuse someone of malicious acts in public, then you SHOULD apologize to them in the same public manner. The boss was entirely in the right on that one, in my opinion. It WAS necessary because without it, people might well believe that Trent sabotaged her. And in the end, this &#8220;person&#8221; could continue to sabotage Trent and result in HIS getting fired. Rumors fly all over and without setting the record straight Trent could end up the victim. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the boss gave this idiot a chance to redeem herself with the apology in the same forum as the accusation. That she chose not to do so, and in fact, to dig herself in even deeper, was a telling reaction that let the boss accurately assess her character and ensure that she no longer poisoned the workplace. </p>
<p>Had I been her boss, I would have immediately assumed that this little darling was not only pulling this on others besides Trent, but whenever someone accuses someone of sabotage, I assume that they are capable of it and probably engaging in sabotage themselves. In fact, I would wonder if she didn&#8217;t sabotage her own keyboard to engineer this whole thing. In any case, She would have been headed out the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An insincere apology...hmmm...I think that even if we don&#039;t understand the nature of the offense, it is perfectly appropriate to apologize for causing someone grief, sorrow, discomfort or harm by our actions even if we were doing nothing wrong, or do not know that what we were doing is wrong.  There is a HUGE rift in my family because a parental until will not apologize for causing hurt however unintentionally to a sibling of mine.  Granted the PU is totally in the wrong, but because of their strange upbringing and general cluelessness regarding the human race in general and their offspring specifically, they do not understand that what they have done has cause immeasurable harm to their progeny.  When I suggested that they apologize for the pain the other party is suffering, regardless of understanding the cause, the PU was affronted and haughtily said, &quot;I&#039;m not going to apologize when I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve done anything wrong!&quot;

This attitude is one of the things that causes harm to others as it generally lets others know that we do not care that they are hurt, it is more important that we are in the right.

That being said, one of the finest lessons I ever learned as a young married women was to say to my husband with all sincerity, You know, you may be right.&quot;  Actually I faked the sincerity convincingly enough until I realized the arrogance of assuming that it was impossible for him to ever BE right.  Many an argument has been sidetracked by learning that simple concept.  It is just possible that the other person has a point or may be right and that I may be totally off base.  Just maybe...

Even when I don&#039;t understand the nature of the offense, or why someone is hurt or offended by something I have said or done, I do most sincerely apologize for having done anything that hurt them and for being such a clueless individual as to be unable to figure out or remember what I have done and I offer the person the opportunity to explain what I said or did that caused the offense and the rift in our relationship.  Hopefully this is the more gracious and loving thing to do, as that is my intent.  I am not denying that there is genuine hurt, nor am I denying that I am the cause, and am allowing for an explanation of the way I hurt or offended the person.  The goal is to heal the relationship.  I am quite willing to humble myself for that, as I have seen the damage caused by the lack.

Trent, this is one of the things I enjoy about your blog and keeps me coming back.  There is finance, yes, but the life stuff, the genuine reflective nature of what you write and the real examples keep me coming back.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An insincere apology&#8230;hmmm&#8230;I think that even if we don&#8217;t understand the nature of the offense, it is perfectly appropriate to apologize for causing someone grief, sorrow, discomfort or harm by our actions even if we were doing nothing wrong, or do not know that what we were doing is wrong.  There is a HUGE rift in my family because a parental until will not apologize for causing hurt however unintentionally to a sibling of mine.  Granted the PU is totally in the wrong, but because of their strange upbringing and general cluelessness regarding the human race in general and their offspring specifically, they do not understand that what they have done has cause immeasurable harm to their progeny.  When I suggested that they apologize for the pain the other party is suffering, regardless of understanding the cause, the PU was affronted and haughtily said, &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to apologize when I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve done anything wrong!&#8221;</p>
<p>This attitude is one of the things that causes harm to others as it generally lets others know that we do not care that they are hurt, it is more important that we are in the right.</p>
<p>That being said, one of the finest lessons I ever learned as a young married women was to say to my husband with all sincerity, You know, you may be right.&#8221;  Actually I faked the sincerity convincingly enough until I realized the arrogance of assuming that it was impossible for him to ever BE right.  Many an argument has been sidetracked by learning that simple concept.  It is just possible that the other person has a point or may be right and that I may be totally off base.  Just maybe&#8230;</p>
<p>Even when I don&#8217;t understand the nature of the offense, or why someone is hurt or offended by something I have said or done, I do most sincerely apologize for having done anything that hurt them and for being such a clueless individual as to be unable to figure out or remember what I have done and I offer the person the opportunity to explain what I said or did that caused the offense and the rift in our relationship.  Hopefully this is the more gracious and loving thing to do, as that is my intent.  I am not denying that there is genuine hurt, nor am I denying that I am the cause, and am allowing for an explanation of the way I hurt or offended the person.  The goal is to heal the relationship.  I am quite willing to humble myself for that, as I have seen the damage caused by the lack.</p>
<p>Trent, this is one of the things I enjoy about your blog and keeps me coming back.  There is finance, yes, but the life stuff, the genuine reflective nature of what you write and the real examples keep me coming back.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone forward this post to my mother in law?!?! Ha! It absolutely slays me when people act like jerks, then apologize for my (or whoever&#039;s) perfectly sane and rational reaction to their overt jerkiness. My MIL recently did something flagrantly jerky, then &quot;apologized&quot; by saying &quot;I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re angry at me&quot; Huh?!?!? Rest assured that people like this loooovvvve to stir up trouble. They&#039;re classic attention seekers and manipulators. Trent, as you know, your reaction to your co-workers little drama was perfectly normal. I&#039;d steer clear of her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone forward this post to my mother in law?!?! Ha! It absolutely slays me when people act like jerks, then apologize for my (or whoever&#8217;s) perfectly sane and rational reaction to their overt jerkiness. My MIL recently did something flagrantly jerky, then &#8220;apologized&#8221; by saying &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re angry at me&#8221; Huh?!?!? Rest assured that people like this loooovvvve to stir up trouble. They&#8217;re classic attention seekers and manipulators. Trent, as you know, your reaction to your co-workers little drama was perfectly normal. I&#8217;d steer clear of her!</p>
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		<title>By: michael bash</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael bash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What needs an apology is the sentence saying a coworker &quot;had took&quot; a computer home with her.  Nobody apologizes to the English language these days, and it suffers more and more at the hands of those who should know better.  Woe is us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What needs an apology is the sentence saying a coworker &#8220;had took&#8221; a computer home with her.  Nobody apologizes to the English language these days, and it suffers more and more at the hands of those who should know better.  Woe is us.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/16/the-art-of-the-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-630774</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent&#039;s coworker&#039;s apology was a lot like that of Rosie O&#039;Donnell&#039;s when she apologized to the media for mimicking Chinese people. She was insincere, did not take responsibility, and has lost my respect. No wonder Trent doesn&#039;t no longer trusted his colleague.

And don&#039;t worry about the grammar! We all know what you&#039;re capable of!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent&#8217;s coworker&#8217;s apology was a lot like that of Rosie O&#8217;Donnell&#8217;s when she apologized to the media for mimicking Chinese people. She was insincere, did not take responsibility, and has lost my respect. No wonder Trent doesn&#8217;t no longer trusted his colleague.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t worry about the grammar! We all know what you&#8217;re capable of!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like this chick took her job far too seriously.  I found my struggle in the corporate world to be a lot less stressful once I realized that planes weren&#039;t going to fall out of the sky if I took the weekend off.  And if a computer doesn&#039;t work right,  then that&#039;s the company&#039;s problem... not mine.
  
However, your boss was wrong to try and make her apologize publicly.  This just causes further embarrassment about the situation and is not necessary and to be honest, was probably not going to have any affect on what you think of her.  Sure, she made her pitiful comments publicly,  but you&#039;re a big boy... I&#039;m sure you could handle it.  Do you really need a public apology to make yourself feel better?

@Sarah -  an insincere apology is a waste of everyone&#039;s time and damages your credibility.  Sure, it may avoid a confrontation the same way giving a fussy child an ice cream cone keeps you from having to listen to them whine,  but it doesn&#039;t really do any good and the situation will just come up again.  People who apologize insincerely will also be insincere when they say they will help you with your project and are insincere when you ask them to cover for you.  You just can&#039;t trust someone who&#039;s insincere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like this chick took her job far too seriously.  I found my struggle in the corporate world to be a lot less stressful once I realized that planes weren&#8217;t going to fall out of the sky if I took the weekend off.  And if a computer doesn&#8217;t work right,  then that&#8217;s the company&#8217;s problem&#8230; not mine.</p>
<p>However, your boss was wrong to try and make her apologize publicly.  This just causes further embarrassment about the situation and is not necessary and to be honest, was probably not going to have any affect on what you think of her.  Sure, she made her pitiful comments publicly,  but you&#8217;re a big boy&#8230; I&#8217;m sure you could handle it.  Do you really need a public apology to make yourself feel better?</p>
<p>@Sarah &#8211;  an insincere apology is a waste of everyone&#8217;s time and damages your credibility.  Sure, it may avoid a confrontation the same way giving a fussy child an ice cream cone keeps you from having to listen to them whine,  but it doesn&#8217;t really do any good and the situation will just come up again.  People who apologize insincerely will also be insincere when they say they will help you with your project and are insincere when you ask them to cover for you.  You just can&#8217;t trust someone who&#8217;s insincere.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having earned my living as a member of the grammar police for close to 30 years, I agree entirely with those who say that writers---including bloggers---need to observe correct grammar and usage. Perhaps one day Trent will let us know how he feels about being corrected in public. I enjoy his writing so much that when he makes an obvious blooper, I am not inclined to play &quot;gotcha.&quot; Instead, I become embarrassed on his behalf.

As for the pay scale, rates vary widely, depending on the client; $30/hour is representative but not universal. Some clients pay by the page, making the effective hourly rate dependent on the condition of the manuscript, the publisher&#039;s requirements, and the copyeditor&#039;s rate of speed and/or willingness to compromise standards.

And oh, yes, lest those who wished for a $30/hour wage in a recent post become envious of the grammar police, don&#039;t forget that (1) much of our time is taken up with administrative work, which pays nothing, and (2) we are responsible for our own medical insurance, pension plan, and other benefits as well as 100% of contributions to Social Security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having earned my living as a member of the grammar police for close to 30 years, I agree entirely with those who say that writers&#8212;including bloggers&#8212;need to observe correct grammar and usage. Perhaps one day Trent will let us know how he feels about being corrected in public. I enjoy his writing so much that when he makes an obvious blooper, I am not inclined to play &#8220;gotcha.&#8221; Instead, I become embarrassed on his behalf.</p>
<p>As for the pay scale, rates vary widely, depending on the client; $30/hour is representative but not universal. Some clients pay by the page, making the effective hourly rate dependent on the condition of the manuscript, the publisher&#8217;s requirements, and the copyeditor&#8217;s rate of speed and/or willingness to compromise standards.</p>
<p>And oh, yes, lest those who wished for a $30/hour wage in a recent post become envious of the grammar police, don&#8217;t forget that (1) much of our time is taken up with administrative work, which pays nothing, and (2) we are responsible for our own medical insurance, pension plan, and other benefits as well as 100% of contributions to Social Security.</p>
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