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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/20/time-frugality-and-values/comment-page-2/#comment-638949</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chocolate&#039;s good, too.</description>
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		<title>By: wren</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/20/time-frugality-and-values/comment-page-2/#comment-638517</link>
		<dc:creator>wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bill in houston - If you look at some of the comments, people are saying that every post must fit their exact need. Because Trent talks more about TP use, or how important his kids are to him, they just don&#039;t get it anymore. Because he talks about what he would do in situation A or B or C, and it&#039;s not exactly what they would do, then he must be wrong. I find it amusing, and so no, I don&#039;t think I&#039;m overreaching. Pity though, overreaching is a good bit of exercise, and I can always use a new cardio bit to add to my others: pushing my luck, jumping to conclusions, and flying off the handle. :D

No, the Force isn&#039;t in balance yet... but it will be. No darvocet necessary. Chocolate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bill in houston &#8211; If you look at some of the comments, people are saying that every post must fit their exact need. Because Trent talks more about TP use, or how important his kids are to him, they just don&#8217;t get it anymore. Because he talks about what he would do in situation A or B or C, and it&#8217;s not exactly what they would do, then he must be wrong. I find it amusing, and so no, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m overreaching. Pity though, overreaching is a good bit of exercise, and I can always use a new cardio bit to add to my others: pushing my luck, jumping to conclusions, and flying off the handle. :D</p>
<p>No, the Force isn&#8217;t in balance yet&#8230; but it will be. No darvocet necessary. Chocolate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LindaB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LindaB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lgt, love your post.  I never lived in NYC, but had to up my assertiveness level just hold my own when we moved from SoCal to Long Island.  Sometimes, just to get a parking spot in a shopping center I had to act like I was willing to run into more aggressive drivers.  And of course when in doubt, honk your car horn!

After living on Long Island, NY we&#039;ve moved to a small town in NE Texas.  I&#039;ve had to adjust my behavior once again in an attempt to fit in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lgt, love your post.  I never lived in NYC, but had to up my assertiveness level just hold my own when we moved from SoCal to Long Island.  Sometimes, just to get a parking spot in a shopping center I had to act like I was willing to run into more aggressive drivers.  And of course when in doubt, honk your car horn!</p>
<p>After living on Long Island, NY we&#8217;ve moved to a small town in NE Texas.  I&#8217;ve had to adjust my behavior once again in an attempt to fit in.</p>
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		<title>By: Sierra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sierra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the point that not all time is created equal: some of my time is certainly worth more than other time. 

For me, however, one of the most important lessons in frugality is that I have to do things I don&#039;t like out of respect for my budget. Sometimes this means slaving over a byzantine rebate form instead of just paying for the new appliance and forgetting about it. Sometimes it means requesting a refund or price correction at a store when I just want to get through the line and be done with it. Sometimes it means spending an evening balancing my finances instead of watching a movie with my partner. 

I used to blow off the unpleasant sides of personal finance all the time. I&#039;d spend hours every week baking my own bread, but would forget to pay bills and get slapped with $40 late fees. I had to learn the hard way that it is worth my time to do the grunt work as well as the fun stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the point that not all time is created equal: some of my time is certainly worth more than other time. </p>
<p>For me, however, one of the most important lessons in frugality is that I have to do things I don&#8217;t like out of respect for my budget. Sometimes this means slaving over a byzantine rebate form instead of just paying for the new appliance and forgetting about it. Sometimes it means requesting a refund or price correction at a store when I just want to get through the line and be done with it. Sometimes it means spending an evening balancing my finances instead of watching a movie with my partner. </p>
<p>I used to blow off the unpleasant sides of personal finance all the time. I&#8217;d spend hours every week baking my own bread, but would forget to pay bills and get slapped with $40 late fees. I had to learn the hard way that it is worth my time to do the grunt work as well as the fun stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: reulte</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/20/time-frugality-and-values/comment-page-2/#comment-637604</link>
		<dc:creator>reulte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J (#37) ... thesingledollar.com - that idea just delights me!  Unfortunately, I don&#039;t think most of the singles here would consider me &#039;single&#039; since I do have a 6 year old.  Maybe, I could go for thenot-quite-singledollar.com!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J (#37) &#8230; thesingledollar.com &#8211; that idea just delights me!  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think most of the singles here would consider me &#8216;single&#8217; since I do have a 6 year old.  Maybe, I could go for thenot-quite-singledollar.com!  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/20/time-frugality-and-values/comment-page-2/#comment-637511</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, wren... people use &quot;I&quot; when they write about personal experiences. 

I don&#039;t know anyone who has said that every post must fit their exact need. Aren&#039;t you being a bit overreaching here? Relax. All is well. The force is in balance. Ahhhhh, Darvocet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, wren&#8230; people use &#8220;I&#8221; when they write about personal experiences. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know anyone who has said that every post must fit their exact need. Aren&#8217;t you being a bit overreaching here? Relax. All is well. The force is in balance. Ahhhhh, Darvocet.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunit</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/20/time-frugality-and-values/comment-page-2/#comment-637222</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I usually just read these posts without commenting, but this time I wanted to say that the first section about time really cleared up some dissonant thoughts within myself. Thanks loads!

Sidenote: Couldn&#039;t help but smile when hearing about you and Rubik&#039;s cube. I too had the desire to learn it (November 08), picked up the beginner method and now the Fridrich. Whole month  of practise until I went below a minute if I remember. (at least an hour a day) Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I usually just read these posts without commenting, but this time I wanted to say that the first section about time really cleared up some dissonant thoughts within myself. Thanks loads!</p>
<p>Sidenote: Couldn&#8217;t help but smile when hearing about you and Rubik&#8217;s cube. I too had the desire to learn it (November 08), picked up the beginner method and now the Fridrich. Whole month  of practise until I went below a minute if I remember. (at least an hour a day) Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: wren</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/20/time-frugality-and-values/comment-page-2/#comment-636987</link>
		<dc:creator>wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow people, internalize much? Just for kicks, I started counting personal pronouns, separating them into the I/me/my etc pile and the you/your pile. I stopped counting the I pile at 50, and the you pile got up to about 3. Yet, from reading the comments alone, a new reader might think that all Trent talked about in this post was YOU! I&#039;ve been single and married, and can attest to busy times and wasted time in both circumstances, as I have no doubt WE all can. Anyone who claims that they never waste a moment of their precious time is lying. You might not have played WoW, SWG, EQ II, or any of the others, but you&#039;ve wasted time, or otherwise spent it in a way that someone else might not.

Please get over the idea that every post must fit your exact needs and take them for what they are... glimpses into one way of doing things that may, or may not, reflect or work for you. Otherwise the bleh that comes out here might just start spilling over into your precious life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow people, internalize much? Just for kicks, I started counting personal pronouns, separating them into the I/me/my etc pile and the you/your pile. I stopped counting the I pile at 50, and the you pile got up to about 3. Yet, from reading the comments alone, a new reader might think that all Trent talked about in this post was YOU! I&#8217;ve been single and married, and can attest to busy times and wasted time in both circumstances, as I have no doubt WE all can. Anyone who claims that they never waste a moment of their precious time is lying. You might not have played WoW, SWG, EQ II, or any of the others, but you&#8217;ve wasted time, or otherwise spent it in a way that someone else might not.</p>
<p>Please get over the idea that every post must fit your exact needs and take them for what they are&#8230; glimpses into one way of doing things that may, or may not, reflect or work for you. Otherwise the bleh that comes out here might just start spilling over into your precious life.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/20/time-frugality-and-values/comment-page-2/#comment-636912</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Igt, it is ironic that you post. Moving from Colorado to NYC is exactly where I learned the need to be assertive on a regular basis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Igt, it is ironic that you post. Moving from Colorado to NYC is exactly where I learned the need to be assertive on a regular basis!</p>
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		<title>By: lgt</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/20/time-frugality-and-values/comment-page-2/#comment-636856</link>
		<dc:creator>lgt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to really enjoy this blog when it was about saving money and living a simplified life.  Now it is a blog about family values and the wonders of raising kids.  As a single person living in nyc (who has never played world of warcraft or any other role playing game...) I don&#039;t really resonate with most of the articles anymore and I have removed myself from the mailing list, but still check occasionally to see if any interesting articles have been posted.

That being said, perhaps some of the disconnect is that the articles have become much more provincial in their tone and world view than they used to be.  Trent, you may want to avoid arguing and conflict and spend all your time working in your rural home and spending time with your family and preaching the virtues of both of your choices.  Good for you, I applaud your decisions, but your choice to  work out of your farmhouse has made you more dissconnected from the rest of us and made your views provincial. 

Imagine you came to nyc for a visit to promote your book or blog and got into a long cab line where people kept cutting if front of you, but you said nothing. Then you got into a cab where you were overcharged by the cab driver (who blasted loud music and talked on his cell phone the whole ride) but you said nothing.  You would have already lost time and money before you even got to the hotel, and your trip is just beginning.  

Now imagine you get to the hotel and they have messed up your reservation and the only category of room they have available is 50 dollars a night more. (this is not an uncommon occurance in nyc at all)  Do you fight or spend the money?  How much do you fight?  Let&#039;s say there is a line behind you and you decide not to fight, you get to your overpriced double bed room on the third floor (you wanted the 50th floor and a king bed) and you can hear the loud music and laughter from a party directly below you (it&#039;s the world of warcraft club&#039;s singles night at the bar and all the singles are out partying...)  You ignore the noise and hook up your laptop to check your email.  The internet connection you just paid twenty five dollars for just went dead.  You do not call the front desk to complain or get a refund though because you hate confrontation.  Anyway you get the point....  In most places that are not rural people have to be assertive to save both money and time.  If you choose not to do that then you will have a miserable and expensive experience in those places.

Just my opinion....

lgt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to really enjoy this blog when it was about saving money and living a simplified life.  Now it is a blog about family values and the wonders of raising kids.  As a single person living in nyc (who has never played world of warcraft or any other role playing game&#8230;) I don&#8217;t really resonate with most of the articles anymore and I have removed myself from the mailing list, but still check occasionally to see if any interesting articles have been posted.</p>
<p>That being said, perhaps some of the disconnect is that the articles have become much more provincial in their tone and world view than they used to be.  Trent, you may want to avoid arguing and conflict and spend all your time working in your rural home and spending time with your family and preaching the virtues of both of your choices.  Good for you, I applaud your decisions, but your choice to  work out of your farmhouse has made you more dissconnected from the rest of us and made your views provincial. </p>
<p>Imagine you came to nyc for a visit to promote your book or blog and got into a long cab line where people kept cutting if front of you, but you said nothing. Then you got into a cab where you were overcharged by the cab driver (who blasted loud music and talked on his cell phone the whole ride) but you said nothing.  You would have already lost time and money before you even got to the hotel, and your trip is just beginning.  </p>
<p>Now imagine you get to the hotel and they have messed up your reservation and the only category of room they have available is 50 dollars a night more. (this is not an uncommon occurance in nyc at all)  Do you fight or spend the money?  How much do you fight?  Let&#8217;s say there is a line behind you and you decide not to fight, you get to your overpriced double bed room on the third floor (you wanted the 50th floor and a king bed) and you can hear the loud music and laughter from a party directly below you (it&#8217;s the world of warcraft club&#8217;s singles night at the bar and all the singles are out partying&#8230;)  You ignore the noise and hook up your laptop to check your email.  The internet connection you just paid twenty five dollars for just went dead.  You do not call the front desk to complain or get a refund though because you hate confrontation.  Anyway you get the point&#8230;.  In most places that are not rural people have to be assertive to save both money and time.  If you choose not to do that then you will have a miserable and expensive experience in those places.</p>
<p>Just my opinion&#8230;.</p>
<p>lgt</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people have difficulty distinguishing between assertiveness and aggression, and see any assertive discussion as a &quot;confrontation&quot; and &quot;making a scene.&quot; Assuming that the lady with the raincheck started by asking politely and was forced to escalate things by unreasonable responses, it was simply standing up for what she was entitled to. That is a good lesson for children and passive-aggressive adults as well. 

Could she have asked to speak to a manager and/or gone to the customer &quot;service&quot; desk? Sure. But how did she know it was going to esclate? How did she know she was dealing with idiots when she started? 

When we stand up for our rights, we have no way to know how the interaction is going to go. (Unless you are dealing with a health insurance company. Then it is a given that they will be unreasonable.) If we start out and remain polite, and reasonable, it becomes clear to any onlookers who is the one in the right. Failing to stand up for ourselves because we fear that the other party will become unreasonable is giving them complete power over us. 

I had to learn as I matured that there are times when assertiveness, confrontation and even making scenes is important to do sometimes. I don&#039;t just stand up for myself. I stand up for the others who cannot or will not do it for themselves. 

Ultimately, I know what my intention was and that I was in the right. If someone else decides that I am in the wrong, oh well. That is because they don&#039;t have all the information. 

Incidently, this ties into the calling for a public apology after a public accusation. If you don&#039;t answer a public charge publically, or have it retracted, others assume that the charge is accurate and you didn&#039;t rebut it for that reason. This then erodes into your relationships with others as they look for things to confirm their assumption. 

Being assertive simply means asking for what is yours, either a thing, service, or respect, without trampling on the rights of others. You are only responsible for your own actions; nobody can &quot;make&quot; anyone else do something. Being assertive doesn&#039;t create a confrontation or even a scene. Unreasonable responses do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people have difficulty distinguishing between assertiveness and aggression, and see any assertive discussion as a &#8220;confrontation&#8221; and &#8220;making a scene.&#8221; Assuming that the lady with the raincheck started by asking politely and was forced to escalate things by unreasonable responses, it was simply standing up for what she was entitled to. That is a good lesson for children and passive-aggressive adults as well. </p>
<p>Could she have asked to speak to a manager and/or gone to the customer &#8220;service&#8221; desk? Sure. But how did she know it was going to esclate? How did she know she was dealing with idiots when she started? </p>
<p>When we stand up for our rights, we have no way to know how the interaction is going to go. (Unless you are dealing with a health insurance company. Then it is a given that they will be unreasonable.) If we start out and remain polite, and reasonable, it becomes clear to any onlookers who is the one in the right. Failing to stand up for ourselves because we fear that the other party will become unreasonable is giving them complete power over us. </p>
<p>I had to learn as I matured that there are times when assertiveness, confrontation and even making scenes is important to do sometimes. I don&#8217;t just stand up for myself. I stand up for the others who cannot or will not do it for themselves. </p>
<p>Ultimately, I know what my intention was and that I was in the right. If someone else decides that I am in the wrong, oh well. That is because they don&#8217;t have all the information. </p>
<p>Incidently, this ties into the calling for a public apology after a public accusation. If you don&#8217;t answer a public charge publically, or have it retracted, others assume that the charge is accurate and you didn&#8217;t rebut it for that reason. This then erodes into your relationships with others as they look for things to confirm their assumption. </p>
<p>Being assertive simply means asking for what is yours, either a thing, service, or respect, without trampling on the rights of others. You are only responsible for your own actions; nobody can &#8220;make&#8221; anyone else do something. Being assertive doesn&#8217;t create a confrontation or even a scene. Unreasonable responses do.</p>
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		<title>By: Shilo</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/04/20/time-frugality-and-values/comment-page-2/#comment-636436</link>
		<dc:creator>Shilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>regarding website building:

wordpress.com is not the only wordpress option.
Wordpress.ORG is also free, very similar and easy to  .com and you can run ads on it. There are hundreds of thousands of theme options and ways to customize it.
the downside is, you generally have to get it externally hosted and they make you pull a bit more weight in the site design. thankfully css and php tutorials abound for free on the internet. it only takes an effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regarding website building:</p>
<p>wordpress.com is not the only wordpress option.<br />
Wordpress.ORG is also free, very similar and easy to  .com and you can run ads on it. There are hundreds of thousands of theme options and ways to customize it.<br />
the downside is, you generally have to get it externally hosted and they make you pull a bit more weight in the site design. thankfully css and php tutorials abound for free on the internet. it only takes an effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been single, been married, been married with a child, then divorced and raising the child alone.  Now the child is grown and once again I am alone--so i guess i can relate to everyone.  I don&#039;t think that an insisting (politely, of course) that a store--any store--honor its commitment is being &quot;confrontational.&quot;  I would have been ashamed for my son to see me not stand up for my raincheck price and if I had stood behind someone who just gave up, I would have explained to my son, once we were out of the store, why it&#039;s important to be assertive and get what was promised.  Why should the fact that it was &quot;only&quot; $10 make any difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been single, been married, been married with a child, then divorced and raising the child alone.  Now the child is grown and once again I am alone&#8211;so i guess i can relate to everyone.  I don&#8217;t think that an insisting (politely, of course) that a store&#8211;any store&#8211;honor its commitment is being &#8220;confrontational.&#8221;  I would have been ashamed for my son to see me not stand up for my raincheck price and if I had stood behind someone who just gave up, I would have explained to my son, once we were out of the store, why it&#8217;s important to be assertive and get what was promised.  Why should the fact that it was &#8220;only&#8221; $10 make any difference?</p>
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		<title>By: tentaculistic</title>
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		<dc:creator>tentaculistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for gosh sake, gigantic eyeroll.  Thanks for the suggestion that www.thesingledollar.com is still available.  The great thing about blogs is that anyone can start one.  So let&#039;s see you go out and see how well you do at not offending anyone&#039;s hyper-inflamed sensitivities.  Betcha can&#039;t do it!  Thanks for the post Trent, it was thoughtful and measured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for gosh sake, gigantic eyeroll.  Thanks for the suggestion that <a href="http://www.thesingledollar.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesingledollar.com</a> is still available.  The great thing about blogs is that anyone can start one.  So let&#8217;s see you go out and see how well you do at not offending anyone&#8217;s hyper-inflamed sensitivities.  Betcha can&#8217;t do it!  Thanks for the post Trent, it was thoughtful and measured.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously singles, marrieds, with-kids, and without kids all have different values - some take advantage at the workplace and some don&#039;t - no matter what their &quot;status&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously singles, marrieds, with-kids, and without kids all have different values &#8211; some take advantage at the workplace and some don&#8217;t &#8211; no matter what their &#8220;status&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent: You said, &quot;I don’t enjoy engaging in activities that interfere with the lives of others.&quot;

Neither do I. When this presents itself I usually say, &quot;May I speak with a manager about this? I don&#039;t want to hold up the folks in line behind me.&quot;

The cashier is nearly always happy and cheerful to do this because... they don&#039;t have to deal with me. The folks behind me are nearly always grateful because I&#039;m not holding them up. I would get my ten bucks. Win-win-win!

It is worth your time if you handle it right. It took me a while, but I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent: You said, &#8220;I don’t enjoy engaging in activities that interfere with the lives of others.&#8221;</p>
<p>Neither do I. When this presents itself I usually say, &#8220;May I speak with a manager about this? I don&#8217;t want to hold up the folks in line behind me.&#8221;</p>
<p>The cashier is nearly always happy and cheerful to do this because&#8230; they don&#8217;t have to deal with me. The folks behind me are nearly always grateful because I&#8217;m not holding them up. I would get my ten bucks. Win-win-win!</p>
<p>It is worth your time if you handle it right. It took me a while, but I did.</p>
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		<title>By: PML</title>
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		<dc:creator>PML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All time is not created equal, but all time flies equally, except when your doing something that is no fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All time is not created equal, but all time flies equally, except when your doing something that is no fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Nik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@35 It isn&#039;t quite as distasteful as those who call everyone who doesn&#039;t fall on hands and knees in praise of the author&#039;s remarks that deride those that don&#039;t have a whole brood of mouths to feed &quot;creepy&quot; and &quot;unhealthy.&quot;

I&#039;ve said in the past that I enjoy your personal commentary, Trent.  If you can&#039;t admit that you stuck your foot in your mouth and choose to hide behind your &quot;family values&quot; when called to task, don&#039;t cry when people take exception to it.  You can also &quot;negatively impact the lives of others&quot; by being a self-involved individual that refuses to see that there is a world beyond the family room and encouraging others to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@35 It isn&#8217;t quite as distasteful as those who call everyone who doesn&#8217;t fall on hands and knees in praise of the author&#8217;s remarks that deride those that don&#8217;t have a whole brood of mouths to feed &#8220;creepy&#8221; and &#8220;unhealthy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said in the past that I enjoy your personal commentary, Trent.  If you can&#8217;t admit that you stuck your foot in your mouth and choose to hide behind your &#8220;family values&#8221; when called to task, don&#8217;t cry when people take exception to it.  You can also &#8220;negatively impact the lives of others&#8221; by being a self-involved individual that refuses to see that there is a world beyond the family room and encouraging others to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@IRG - I&#039;d really suggest figuring out some positive channels for the anger you have towards parents.  

Perhaps you should speak up to your management and get some equal time for you to do single person things?  Comp time for when you work late / cover for someone else?  If you are happy to be the doormat and allow people to walk over you, then people will continue to do so.  Stand up for what you deserve rather than grumbling on comment sections of Internet blogs.  Maybe you can say &quot;no&quot; to working late when asked and/or covering for people who are sick?  You could just as well say &quot;I&#039;ve got plans after work&quot; or &quot;I&#039;ve got a family event&quot; and turn down the work.  

Keep in mind, though, that you are likely getting recognition for working late and covering, and getting a reputation as a &quot;go-to person&quot;, while the people who are taking off to deal with their kids are likely getting a far different reputation -- perhaps &quot;unreliable&quot; or &quot;not a team member&quot;.  I hope the person who lied about having to deal with a sick child is getting a reputation that will get them to the head of the layoff/firing line.

As a parent (and previously single person), I will make up time off work that I need to miss by working late another day, working a night or on the weekend (I can work from home).  I really agree with you that parents who use their kids as excuses to get out of work (and expect it to not take sick/vacation time) are really not being fair to their co-workers ... and lying ... well, that&#039;s just plain wrong.

I realize that I did make a choice to become a parent, and I certainly am not consciously leaning on other people at work because of that choice.  But on your terms, am I allowed to be mad when I have to cover for some single person who closed the bar last night and is sleeping under their desk?  Or who stayed up late playing video games?  People (single, married, parents) all have good days and bad days.  I&#039;ve had to cover for plenty of unmarried, childless folks when they didn&#039;t come in for some reason, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@IRG &#8211; I&#8217;d really suggest figuring out some positive channels for the anger you have towards parents.  </p>
<p>Perhaps you should speak up to your management and get some equal time for you to do single person things?  Comp time for when you work late / cover for someone else?  If you are happy to be the doormat and allow people to walk over you, then people will continue to do so.  Stand up for what you deserve rather than grumbling on comment sections of Internet blogs.  Maybe you can say &#8220;no&#8221; to working late when asked and/or covering for people who are sick?  You could just as well say &#8220;I&#8217;ve got plans after work&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;ve got a family event&#8221; and turn down the work.  </p>
<p>Keep in mind, though, that you are likely getting recognition for working late and covering, and getting a reputation as a &#8220;go-to person&#8221;, while the people who are taking off to deal with their kids are likely getting a far different reputation &#8212; perhaps &#8220;unreliable&#8221; or &#8220;not a team member&#8221;.  I hope the person who lied about having to deal with a sick child is getting a reputation that will get them to the head of the layoff/firing line.</p>
<p>As a parent (and previously single person), I will make up time off work that I need to miss by working late another day, working a night or on the weekend (I can work from home).  I really agree with you that parents who use their kids as excuses to get out of work (and expect it to not take sick/vacation time) are really not being fair to their co-workers &#8230; and lying &#8230; well, that&#8217;s just plain wrong.</p>
<p>I realize that I did make a choice to become a parent, and I certainly am not consciously leaning on other people at work because of that choice.  But on your terms, am I allowed to be mad when I have to cover for some single person who closed the bar last night and is sleeping under their desk?  Or who stayed up late playing video games?  People (single, married, parents) all have good days and bad days.  I&#8217;ve had to cover for plenty of unmarried, childless folks when they didn&#8217;t come in for some reason, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its certainly true that not all of our time is equal.  And its OK if Trent or anyone else prefers to save money doing one thing more than another thing.   I&#039;d rather spend 20 minutes to get $10 that a store owes me than spend 20 minutes making soap that I can buy at a store.   Its OK that Trent and I disagree on that.


Asking a store to honor a raincheck isn&#039;t a confrontation and its not your fault if the people in line behind you are inconvenienced.  Is it OK to inconvenience the people in line behind you by using a big pile of coupons?

Generalizations about being single will come across as offensive.   If Trent means &quot;nothing better to do than play World of Warcraft&quot; then he should say so rather than &quot;single&quot;.   The 2 are not equivalent for most of us.   Its no better to say &quot;if I were single&quot; than &quot;if I were old&quot; or &quot;if I were a housewife&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its certainly true that not all of our time is equal.  And its OK if Trent or anyone else prefers to save money doing one thing more than another thing.   I&#8217;d rather spend 20 minutes to get $10 that a store owes me than spend 20 minutes making soap that I can buy at a store.   Its OK that Trent and I disagree on that.</p>
<p>Asking a store to honor a raincheck isn&#8217;t a confrontation and its not your fault if the people in line behind you are inconvenienced.  Is it OK to inconvenience the people in line behind you by using a big pile of coupons?</p>
<p>Generalizations about being single will come across as offensive.   If Trent means &#8220;nothing better to do than play World of Warcraft&#8221; then he should say so rather than &#8220;single&#8221;.   The 2 are not equivalent for most of us.   Its no better to say &#8220;if I were single&#8221; than &#8220;if I were old&#8221; or &#8220;if I were a housewife&#8221;.</p>
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