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	<title>Comments on: Personal Finance 101: What Is a Bond?</title>
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	<description>Simple, applicable personal finance advice for the modern world</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/01/personal-finance-101-what-is-a-bond/comment-page-1/#comment-652785</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great intro to the bond world and the advice is dead on what investors should be looking at - either individual through the treasury or a low cost index fund.  Bonds are very complicated investments and the size of the bond market is many times larger than that of stocks.  It&#039;s important to remember to diversify among both credit quality and currency.  When the dollar was weakening, international bonds performed extremely well with double digit returns.

@Baker

Be careful about going too far into the bond world.  They paid a little above inflation over the last 40 years while stocks have done markedly better averaging 4% to 7% above inflation.  I would argue that over the long-term (25 years or more), stocks are safer than bonds in light of the effects of inflation and erosion of purchasing power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great intro to the bond world and the advice is dead on what investors should be looking at &#8211; either individual through the treasury or a low cost index fund.  Bonds are very complicated investments and the size of the bond market is many times larger than that of stocks.  It&#8217;s important to remember to diversify among both credit quality and currency.  When the dollar was weakening, international bonds performed extremely well with double digit returns.</p>
<p>@Baker</p>
<p>Be careful about going too far into the bond world.  They paid a little above inflation over the last 40 years while stocks have done markedly better averaging 4% to 7% above inflation.  I would argue that over the long-term (25 years or more), stocks are safer than bonds in light of the effects of inflation and erosion of purchasing power.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 02:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, if you buy a bond in General Motors, you will only get 30% of your money back despite bondholders&#039; status as 1st in line. The government&#039;s plan only gives them 30%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, if you buy a bond in General Motors, you will only get 30% of your money back despite bondholders&#8217; status as 1st in line. The government&#8217;s plan only gives them 30%</p>
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		<title>By: TStrump</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/01/personal-finance-101-what-is-a-bond/comment-page-1/#comment-649023</link>
		<dc:creator>TStrump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 01:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great all-in-post on how bonds work.
A bit of a refresher for me, even though I went to business school.
What about when interest rates are rising/falling?
Might be good to add something on how the value can be affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great all-in-post on how bonds work.<br />
A bit of a refresher for me, even though I went to business school.<br />
What about when interest rates are rising/falling?<br />
Might be good to add something on how the value can be affected.</p>
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		<title>By: Mule Skinner</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/01/personal-finance-101-what-is-a-bond/comment-page-1/#comment-647519</link>
		<dc:creator>Mule Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 23:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point to be aware of is the call feature. If the bond is callable the borrower (company) can choose to pay you back at any time within the provisions of the bond. When market interest rates fall, companies rush to get out of the expensive bonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point to be aware of is the call feature. If the bond is callable the borrower (company) can choose to pay you back at any time within the provisions of the bond. When market interest rates fall, companies rush to get out of the expensive bonds.</p>
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		<title>By: DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/01/personal-finance-101-what-is-a-bond/comment-page-1/#comment-647492</link>
		<dc:creator>DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 23:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  Bonds are a usually good alternative to longer term CDs and with a quality issuer, you are pretty certain to get your money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  Bonds are a usually good alternative to longer term CDs and with a quality issuer, you are pretty certain to get your money back.</p>
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		<title>By: Kanmani</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/01/personal-finance-101-what-is-a-bond/comment-page-1/#comment-647399</link>
		<dc:creator>Kanmani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
Can you please tell me how much tax reduction we&#039;ll get if we buy bonds? Also, Is it same for both Government and Private bonds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Can you please tell me how much tax reduction we&#8217;ll get if we buy bonds? Also, Is it same for both Government and Private bonds?</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/01/personal-finance-101-what-is-a-bond/comment-page-1/#comment-647381</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a great explaination. However, I am still confused on something; Is the bond fully matured to the face amount at year 30 or can you hold it longer and earn more interst, beyond the face amount?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a great explaination. However, I am still confused on something; Is the bond fully matured to the face amount at year 30 or can you hold it longer and earn more interst, beyond the face amount?</p>
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		<title>By: linke</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/01/personal-finance-101-what-is-a-bond/comment-page-1/#comment-647251</link>
		<dc:creator>linke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 17:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonds may not be the best investment right now.  While they are currently paying better than the banks, the interest rate risk is higher than normal now.  With rates this historically low, they will have to go back up.  When they do, the value of your bonds will go down.  That is just how the math works.  The coupon rate will stay the same, but the yield to maturity will adjust to market rates by impacting the market value of the bond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonds may not be the best investment right now.  While they are currently paying better than the banks, the interest rate risk is higher than normal now.  With rates this historically low, they will have to go back up.  When they do, the value of your bonds will go down.  That is just how the math works.  The coupon rate will stay the same, but the yield to maturity will adjust to market rates by impacting the market value of the bond.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 17:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the comments on investing in a bond fund are off the mark.  I don&#039;t think that Trent was suggesting investing in bond fund that actively trades.  He&#039;s suggesting a low cost, passive index bond fund (like Vanguard), which is a much, much better solution than trying to pick individual bonds.

First of all, picking individual bonds requires research to pick the right bond.  Unless you&#039;re just going to buy a safe bond (like from the US gov&#039;t), you need to make sure that the issuing company isn&#039;t going to go bankrupt before you&#039;d get your money back.

Second, investing in individual bonds often requires a lot of capital.  Most bonds that I&#039;ve seen (and I&#039;m not an expert in bond investing) have a face value between $1,000-3,000.  Whereas, you can invest in a bond index fund with much less.


Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the comments on investing in a bond fund are off the mark.  I don&#8217;t think that Trent was suggesting investing in bond fund that actively trades.  He&#8217;s suggesting a low cost, passive index bond fund (like Vanguard), which is a much, much better solution than trying to pick individual bonds.</p>
<p>First of all, picking individual bonds requires research to pick the right bond.  Unless you&#8217;re just going to buy a safe bond (like from the US gov&#8217;t), you need to make sure that the issuing company isn&#8217;t going to go bankrupt before you&#8217;d get your money back.</p>
<p>Second, investing in individual bonds often requires a lot of capital.  Most bonds that I&#8217;ve seen (and I&#8217;m not an expert in bond investing) have a face value between $1,000-3,000.  Whereas, you can invest in a bond index fund with much less.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 17:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonds are loans.  The safety of a bond is no better than making a loan directly to someone.  US Government bonds are generally considered the best because we don&#039;t anticipate a revolution or  government collapse similar to the former Soviet Union (199?), Iraq (2002), Iran (1980), etc.

However, smaller government entities are less secure.  Orange County, California, is but one example of a government entity defaulting on their bonds.  WPPS (aka Whoops) was another instance.  There have been others, less well-known, so you do take your chances when buying bonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonds are loans.  The safety of a bond is no better than making a loan directly to someone.  US Government bonds are generally considered the best because we don&#8217;t anticipate a revolution or  government collapse similar to the former Soviet Union (199?), Iraq (2002), Iran (1980), etc.</p>
<p>However, smaller government entities are less secure.  Orange County, California, is but one example of a government entity defaulting on their bonds.  WPPS (aka Whoops) was another instance.  There have been others, less well-known, so you do take your chances when buying bonds.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurker Carl hit on this a little bit, but bond index funds are not totally safe investments, because their share prices can fluctuate.  Why is that?  Well, suppose you buy a 30-year bond at 3.5%, and a few years down the road you need that money back.  You can&#039;t cash the bond in with the initial issuer, but you can sell it to somebody else.  The thing is, if interest rates have gone up to 4.5% by then, nobody&#039;s going to want to pay face value for your bond that&#039;s only paying 3.5%, so its market value drops.  Similarly, if interest rates drop to 2.5%, your bond&#039;s value rises.

Also, it would have been interesting to touch on the implications of bond interest rates to the national debt.  People tend to freak out about the fact that the US government is taking on so much debt, because (I guess) they liken government debt to their own high-interest personal debt.  But because bond interest rates are so low, the government can borrow money very, very cheaply, which can actually be a smart thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker Carl hit on this a little bit, but bond index funds are not totally safe investments, because their share prices can fluctuate.  Why is that?  Well, suppose you buy a 30-year bond at 3.5%, and a few years down the road you need that money back.  You can&#8217;t cash the bond in with the initial issuer, but you can sell it to somebody else.  The thing is, if interest rates have gone up to 4.5% by then, nobody&#8217;s going to want to pay face value for your bond that&#8217;s only paying 3.5%, so its market value drops.  Similarly, if interest rates drop to 2.5%, your bond&#8217;s value rises.</p>
<p>Also, it would have been interesting to touch on the implications of bond interest rates to the national debt.  People tend to freak out about the fact that the US government is taking on so much debt, because (I guess) they liken government debt to their own high-interest personal debt.  But because bond interest rates are so low, the government can borrow money very, very cheaply, which can actually be a smart thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, beware of corporate bonds with companies &quot;too big to fail&quot;; General Motors bondholders are staring at a ten cents on the dollar return (meaning they&#039;ll likely lose 90% of their investment!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, beware of corporate bonds with companies &#8220;too big to fail&#8221;; General Motors bondholders are staring at a ten cents on the dollar return (meaning they&#8217;ll likely lose 90% of their investment!)</p>
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		<title>By: lurker carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t buy into bond mutual funds if you are looking for low risk investments.  You are essentially paying a fund manager to buy (and sell) bonds that you, as an investor, can easily do for yourself.  

You also take the risk of the fund manager purchasing bonds that you would not because of the high risk of the entity borrowing the money.  High risk equals high returns and with a high cost.  For instance, research what General Motors bondholders are being forced to accept as the company flounders and what Orange County, CA investors experienced when the municipality when bankrupt back in 1994.  Would you risk lending your money to such entities as they head into financial disaster?  Your bond fund manager will risk your money, even if you wouldn&#039;t.

Also, as individual investors buy and sell their shares of the fund, the fund is forced to buy and sell bonds within the fund whether or not the market is favorable to the transaction.  This is why bond funds perform worse when compared to buying and holding your own bond purchases, along with the implications of holding tax-exempt bonds within traditional versus Roth retirement vehicles. 

Purchase bonds yourself, hold them to maturity in tax appropriate accounts and avoid the inherent investment costs associated with a fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t buy into bond mutual funds if you are looking for low risk investments.  You are essentially paying a fund manager to buy (and sell) bonds that you, as an investor, can easily do for yourself.  </p>
<p>You also take the risk of the fund manager purchasing bonds that you would not because of the high risk of the entity borrowing the money.  High risk equals high returns and with a high cost.  For instance, research what General Motors bondholders are being forced to accept as the company flounders and what Orange County, CA investors experienced when the municipality when bankrupt back in 1994.  Would you risk lending your money to such entities as they head into financial disaster?  Your bond fund manager will risk your money, even if you wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Also, as individual investors buy and sell their shares of the fund, the fund is forced to buy and sell bonds within the fund whether or not the market is favorable to the transaction.  This is why bond funds perform worse when compared to buying and holding your own bond purchases, along with the implications of holding tax-exempt bonds within traditional versus Roth retirement vehicles. </p>
<p>Purchase bonds yourself, hold them to maturity in tax appropriate accounts and avoid the inherent investment costs associated with a fund.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Light</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post. I agree that the overwhelming majority of people should stick to a bond index fund, but for those people who do want to learn more about buying municipal and corporate bonds through a broker, I wrote a post about it here: http://investwisdomblog.com/2009/04/22/diversifying-your-bond-portfolio/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post. I agree that the overwhelming majority of people should stick to a bond index fund, but for those people who do want to learn more about buying municipal and corporate bonds through a broker, I wrote a post about it here: <a href="http://investwisdomblog.com/2009/04/22/diversifying-your-bond-portfolio/" rel="nofollow">http://investwisdomblog.com/2009/04/22/diversifying-your-bond-portfolio/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aman@BullsBattleBears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aman@BullsBattleBears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a really good break down! great post!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a really good break down! great post!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nitpick here:  T-bills (short-term US government bonds)have always been redeemed at par with no coupon.  They make you money because you buy them at a discount to face value.  This is not a result of the economic times--it&#039;s just how those bonds are sold.

The current extremely low yields on bonds, on the other hand, are a result of high demand due to the economic times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitpick here:  T-bills (short-term US government bonds)have always been redeemed at par with no coupon.  They make you money because you buy them at a discount to face value.  This is not a result of the economic times&#8211;it&#8217;s just how those bonds are sold.</p>
<p>The current extremely low yields on bonds, on the other hand, are a result of high demand due to the economic times.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this informative post.  I enjoy your blog very much and appreciate it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this informative post.  I enjoy your blog very much and appreciate it!</p>
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		<title>By: Wealth Pilgrim</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/01/personal-finance-101-what-is-a-bond/comment-page-1/#comment-647093</link>
		<dc:creator>Wealth Pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really important to understand how bonds work - nicely done.  Having said that, I&#039;m really afraid of bonds now.

As rates go up, bonds tank.  Rates will likely go up over the next several years and if that happens, anyone who buys bonds will be a sad camper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really important to understand how bonds work &#8211; nicely done.  Having said that, I&#8217;m really afraid of bonds now.</p>
<p>As rates go up, bonds tank.  Rates will likely go up over the next several years and if that happens, anyone who buys bonds will be a sad camper.</p>
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		<title>By: Baker @ ManVsDebt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baker @ ManVsDebt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not in the market yet, but when I do become debt-free I&#039;m tending to lean towards bonds.  I just like the dependability and low risk.  Being young, I know I&#039;ll forgo the potential of better returns elsewhere.  Who knows, I have a least a year or two to figure all that out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not in the market yet, but when I do become debt-free I&#8217;m tending to lean towards bonds.  I just like the dependability and low risk.  Being young, I know I&#8217;ll forgo the potential of better returns elsewhere.  Who knows, I have a least a year or two to figure all that out!</p>
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