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	<title>Comments on: The Credit Cardholders&#8217; Bill of Rights Act of 2009 Is Here: What Does It Mean For You &#8211; And What Might It Mean for the Future?</title>
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		<title>By: Gary Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-671372</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 23:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please delete the last post. I didn&#039;t see that you finally allowed my previous post. Sorry. Gary</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-671369</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 23:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Trent, you can delete the last post. I am blind, and I apologize. Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Trent, you can delete the last post. I am blind, and I apologize. Gary</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-671366</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 23:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Trent, if you had any balls you would let me post here. I appreciate the emails, but free speech is what it is all about. You are afraid because you are afraid of ideas and of people who think out of your little narrow box. See ya!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Trent, if you had any balls you would let me post here. I appreciate the emails, but free speech is what it is all about. You are afraid because you are afraid of ideas and of people who think out of your little narrow box. See ya!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-671319</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 22:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It astounds me that &quot;freloaders&quot; who pay off their cards every month so they can get rewards are whining and pointing fingers that they may not get their free stuff anymore b/c the actualy targeted users and customers who bring tons of cash into the company are &quot;causing&quot; problems. I have no problem with the &quot;freeloaders&quot; getting their rewards cut. I know that it is free money for those who pay off their cards monthly, but those freeloaders don&#039;t bring in much to card issuers, yet they cost them a lot of $$$. It would be a great way for cc companies to cut costs. 

Honestly, people who charge their cards to the max, go over the limit, etc. are the bread and butter of the card industry. The so called freeloading &quot;good&quot; customers bring little to the card industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It astounds me that &#8220;freloaders&#8221; who pay off their cards every month so they can get rewards are whining and pointing fingers that they may not get their free stuff anymore b/c the actualy targeted users and customers who bring tons of cash into the company are &#8220;causing&#8221; problems. I have no problem with the &#8220;freeloaders&#8221; getting their rewards cut. I know that it is free money for those who pay off their cards monthly, but those freeloaders don&#8217;t bring in much to card issuers, yet they cost them a lot of $$$. It would be a great way for cc companies to cut costs. </p>
<p>Honestly, people who charge their cards to the max, go over the limit, etc. are the bread and butter of the card industry. The so called freeloading &#8220;good&#8221; customers bring little to the card industry.</p>
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		<title>By: credit</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-670572</link>
		<dc:creator>credit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 03:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, this is the most comprehensive piece I&#039;ve seen on the new legislation. I hope you&#039;re right in predicting that annual fees are not so likely to become pervasive. I agree that reward programs will be scaled back; that seems unavoidable with the loss of revenue. But the excesses had to be corrected, so it&#039;s a necessary price to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, this is the most comprehensive piece I&#8217;ve seen on the new legislation. I hope you&#8217;re right in predicting that annual fees are not so likely to become pervasive. I agree that reward programs will be scaled back; that seems unavoidable with the loss of revenue. But the excesses had to be corrected, so it&#8217;s a necessary price to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-670214</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 23:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Sarah #60.  Stereotyping 18-21 year olds because they are &quot;more likely to misjudge&quot; is a form of age discrimination. There are just as many 30 year olds and 40 year olds who &quot;misjudge&quot;.  By the way,  saying that they are more likely to misjudge, is the same thing as saying you can&#039;t trust them.  What people like you who want to baby these adults are missing is the more that we baby them, the LESS responsible they become.  How long until we just make the age of majority 21?  Then everyone will be on some blog saying 21-24 year olds are too new to the &quot;real world&quot; and we need special laws for them.  

At 18 a child is an adult,  its the job of a parent to make sure they&#039;re ready.  Its not the governments job to pass a bunch of special laws to &quot;protect&quot; all these young adults because a few parents didn&#039;t get their kids ready to be adults.

I 1000% agree with your statement &quot;Live within your current means, it’s simpler than you think.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sarah #60.  Stereotyping 18-21 year olds because they are &#8220;more likely to misjudge&#8221; is a form of age discrimination. There are just as many 30 year olds and 40 year olds who &#8220;misjudge&#8221;.  By the way,  saying that they are more likely to misjudge, is the same thing as saying you can&#8217;t trust them.  What people like you who want to baby these adults are missing is the more that we baby them, the LESS responsible they become.  How long until we just make the age of majority 21?  Then everyone will be on some blog saying 21-24 year olds are too new to the &#8220;real world&#8221; and we need special laws for them.  </p>
<p>At 18 a child is an adult,  its the job of a parent to make sure they&#8217;re ready.  Its not the governments job to pass a bunch of special laws to &#8220;protect&#8221; all these young adults because a few parents didn&#8217;t get their kids ready to be adults.</p>
<p>I 1000% agree with your statement &#8220;Live within your current means, it’s simpler than you think.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprising that these sorts of seemingly basic regulations are just now being enacted.  One thing I wonder about is the effectiveness of the ban on alternate payment fees (phone, internet, etc.) if the companies are still allowed to charge to &quot;expedite&quot; the transaction.  In the past I&#039;ve had to make the choice between paying a $19.99 fee to make a payment by phone a few days before a payment was due or a $29.99 late fee (I certainly don&#039;t allow this to happen now and don&#039;t carry a balance on credit cards).  It&#039;s blatantly obvious to me that credits to accounts are artificially delayed to the advantage of the lender (debits appear instantaneously, credits take a few days).  This is terribly convenient when you are charging a fee on an average balance.

At least now that electronic payment sent two days before the due date that is held and applied one day late doesn&#039;t result in a rate hike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprising that these sorts of seemingly basic regulations are just now being enacted.  One thing I wonder about is the effectiveness of the ban on alternate payment fees (phone, internet, etc.) if the companies are still allowed to charge to &#8220;expedite&#8221; the transaction.  In the past I&#8217;ve had to make the choice between paying a $19.99 fee to make a payment by phone a few days before a payment was due or a $29.99 late fee (I certainly don&#8217;t allow this to happen now and don&#8217;t carry a balance on credit cards).  It&#8217;s blatantly obvious to me that credits to accounts are artificially delayed to the advantage of the lender (debits appear instantaneously, credits take a few days).  This is terribly convenient when you are charging a fee on an average balance.</p>
<p>At least now that electronic payment sent two days before the due date that is held and applied one day late doesn&#8217;t result in a rate hike.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisD</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-669803</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I look thru consumer sites where there’s endless complaints about overlimit fees and late fees…

In the UK there was a crack down on these fees. Civil law is not allowed &#039;punitive&#039; fees, they are only allowed to collect damages and cost. There is no way that they can claim that sending you a letter and wacking on some interest payments &#039;costs&#039; £30 or whatever each fee is. Thus people have been able to claim back these fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I look thru consumer sites where there’s endless complaints about overlimit fees and late fees…</p>
<p>In the UK there was a crack down on these fees. Civil law is not allowed &#8216;punitive&#8217; fees, they are only allowed to collect damages and cost. There is no way that they can claim that sending you a letter and wacking on some interest payments &#8216;costs&#8217; £30 or whatever each fee is. Thus people have been able to claim back these fees.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnJo</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-669407</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If 18-21 year olds can&#039;t be trusted with a credit card because they might get in financial trouble, how can they be trusted to vote for politicians who can run up trillions of dollars of debt?  

It&#039;s ironic that President Obama, who relied so heavily on the youth vote, has such a dim view of young people&#039;s intelligence.  But I guess he would know.

Trent mentions a general price rise of 1% as if it&#039;s no big deal, but it is a 1% tax on all consumers to &quot;protect and help&quot; a relatively small percentage of consumers who can&#039;t or won&#039;t help themselves.  Add it to the 1-2% state and local sales tax increases we will likely face in the next year or two, plus the REAL normal inflation, plus whatever extraordinary inflation we get from the extraordinary spending now going on, and pretty soon it&#039;s going to add up to real money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If 18-21 year olds can&#8217;t be trusted with a credit card because they might get in financial trouble, how can they be trusted to vote for politicians who can run up trillions of dollars of debt?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that President Obama, who relied so heavily on the youth vote, has such a dim view of young people&#8217;s intelligence.  But I guess he would know.</p>
<p>Trent mentions a general price rise of 1% as if it&#8217;s no big deal, but it is a 1% tax on all consumers to &#8220;protect and help&#8221; a relatively small percentage of consumers who can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t help themselves.  Add it to the 1-2% state and local sales tax increases we will likely face in the next year or two, plus the REAL normal inflation, plus whatever extraordinary inflation we get from the extraordinary spending now going on, and pretty soon it&#8217;s going to add up to real money.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-669088</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you send in your payment 10 days in advance, and the card holder receives the payment but doesn&#039;t choose to credit it to your account until after it is due, how is the user responsible for that? And yes, they do do this. They also have the charming habit of lowering your credit limit without notice to below what they have permitted you to charge. Again, how is the user responsible for this? 

Yes, &quot;Syndicate&quot; is the perfect word. Universal default? You miss a payment on one account and all of them jump to 30%? How is this justified? Not in any reasonable world!

The legalese is indeed on purpose, and it does make it very difficult, if not impossible, for the majority of users to understand. We can&#039;t all afford law school to understand these contracts. 

Sorry. This is an industry that is out of control, and has acted so recklessly that they deserve the restraint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you send in your payment 10 days in advance, and the card holder receives the payment but doesn&#8217;t choose to credit it to your account until after it is due, how is the user responsible for that? And yes, they do do this. They also have the charming habit of lowering your credit limit without notice to below what they have permitted you to charge. Again, how is the user responsible for this? </p>
<p>Yes, &#8220;Syndicate&#8221; is the perfect word. Universal default? You miss a payment on one account and all of them jump to 30%? How is this justified? Not in any reasonable world!</p>
<p>The legalese is indeed on purpose, and it does make it very difficult, if not impossible, for the majority of users to understand. We can&#8217;t all afford law school to understand these contracts. </p>
<p>Sorry. This is an industry that is out of control, and has acted so recklessly that they deserve the restraint.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those opposed to the 18-21 stipulation, What you all are missing is that it&#039;s not that the 18-21 can&#039;t be trusted but that they are more likely to misjudge.  They are new to being in the &quot;real world&quot; and are easy prey for shady companies.  In any case, relying on a credit card at any age is a poor decision.  So many financial difficulties result from spending more money than you have.  And just being a student and having a student loan gives you more credit than you may think.  Live within your current means, it&#039;s simpler than you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those opposed to the 18-21 stipulation, What you all are missing is that it&#8217;s not that the 18-21 can&#8217;t be trusted but that they are more likely to misjudge.  They are new to being in the &#8220;real world&#8221; and are easy prey for shady companies.  In any case, relying on a credit card at any age is a poor decision.  So many financial difficulties result from spending more money than you have.  And just being a student and having a student loan gives you more credit than you may think.  Live within your current means, it&#8217;s simpler than you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Johanna (#50)

Ok, I can buy that.  I think on this particular topic, it&#039;s difficult for me to see giving credit cards to 18-21 year olds as ballooning into a problem serious enough for the government to get involved, but I agree that they have proven they can act recklessly and may need restraint.

I still think this particular provision is kind of window dressing that hurts more than it helps, but in principal I can agree that yours is a valid argument for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Johanna (#50)</p>
<p>Ok, I can buy that.  I think on this particular topic, it&#8217;s difficult for me to see giving credit cards to 18-21 year olds as ballooning into a problem serious enough for the government to get involved, but I agree that they have proven they can act recklessly and may need restraint.</p>
<p>I still think this particular provision is kind of window dressing that hurts more than it helps, but in principal I can agree that yours is a valid argument for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the bill is that there is no cap on interest rates. Credit card companies are loan sharking, borrowing at 1/2 percent and lending out with huge interest. This is the problem folks, your government has abandoned you. You are being scammed and the usury is pathetic. This government has lost all legitimacy. Not only did they allow the toxic loans by allowing Basel 2 off balance sheet banking, but they then stole from the treasury of the United States and are allowing the banks to steal from credit card holders. I say don&#039;t pay credit cards. Walk away from the debt if you are able to do so without serious unintended consequences. You can seek advice from real financial advisors but if you have no way out just protest these banks and this government by walking away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the bill is that there is no cap on interest rates. Credit card companies are loan sharking, borrowing at 1/2 percent and lending out with huge interest. This is the problem folks, your government has abandoned you. You are being scammed and the usury is pathetic. This government has lost all legitimacy. Not only did they allow the toxic loans by allowing Basel 2 off balance sheet banking, but they then stole from the treasury of the United States and are allowing the banks to steal from credit card holders. I say don&#8217;t pay credit cards. Walk away from the debt if you are able to do so without serious unintended consequences. You can seek advice from real financial advisors but if you have no way out just protest these banks and this government by walking away.</p>
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		<title>By: KoryO</title>
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		<dc:creator>KoryO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got my first credit card before I left high school at age 17 (yep, read that right, 17, from Mervyn&#039;s back in the &#039;80&#039;s) without a parental cosigner.  

Still wondering exactly how that happened, myself.  But the fact is, I had a part time job, a checking account, and could pay for it on my own.  And did.

Shortly after that, I got a Visa at age 18 when I applied for a secured card sorta/kinda on my own.  (I have to say sorta/kinda because the bank didn&#039;t want to give it to me even after I made the deposit.  The only reason they did was because my mom marched in there and threatened to pull all her accounts if they didn&#039;t give me the card....she didn&#039;t co-sign, she just mentioned that to the manager and lo and behold....the card came in the mail.)  I scraped together $1k, got a credit line of $500.  The bank really didn&#039;t have any risk in that case, since they could just go take out their money from the deposit if I didn&#039;t pay up.

It became unsecured after a year or two and I never looked back.  Haven&#039;t had a problem getting credit ever since.  

I&#039;m sure secured cards are still around, even though it&#039;s been decades since I had one.  That might be one way for younger people to get a card if this legislation, or subsequent legislation, doesn&#039;t get rid of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got my first credit card before I left high school at age 17 (yep, read that right, 17, from Mervyn&#8217;s back in the &#8217;80&#8217;s) without a parental cosigner.  </p>
<p>Still wondering exactly how that happened, myself.  But the fact is, I had a part time job, a checking account, and could pay for it on my own.  And did.</p>
<p>Shortly after that, I got a Visa at age 18 when I applied for a secured card sorta/kinda on my own.  (I have to say sorta/kinda because the bank didn&#8217;t want to give it to me even after I made the deposit.  The only reason they did was because my mom marched in there and threatened to pull all her accounts if they didn&#8217;t give me the card&#8230;.she didn&#8217;t co-sign, she just mentioned that to the manager and lo and behold&#8230;.the card came in the mail.)  I scraped together $1k, got a credit line of $500.  The bank really didn&#8217;t have any risk in that case, since they could just go take out their money from the deposit if I didn&#8217;t pay up.</p>
<p>It became unsecured after a year or two and I never looked back.  Haven&#8217;t had a problem getting credit ever since.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure secured cards are still around, even though it&#8217;s been decades since I had one.  That might be one way for younger people to get a card if this legislation, or subsequent legislation, doesn&#8217;t get rid of it.</p>
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		<title>By: DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-668879</link>
		<dc:creator>DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 11:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow, I see this as an opportunity for CC issuers to ram it up the consumer&#039;s rear before the laws change.  Almost feels like that is happening now . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow, I see this as an opportunity for CC issuers to ram it up the consumer&#8217;s rear before the laws change.  Almost feels like that is happening now . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Lenore</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-668846</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 10:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem odd to me if an 18-year-old, who can vote and enlist in the armed services, had to get parental approval to hold a credit card.  Maybe I&#039;m reading it wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem odd to me if an 18-year-old, who can vote and enlist in the armed services, had to get parental approval to hold a credit card.  Maybe I&#8217;m reading it wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-668615</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll add another comment: credit card companies engage in usury. Thirty percent interest? Please. That&#039;s legalized loansharking, plain and simple. If you have to pass a bill, at least cap the interest rate at ten percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll add another comment: credit card companies engage in usury. Thirty percent interest? Please. That&#8217;s legalized loansharking, plain and simple. If you have to pass a bill, at least cap the interest rate at ten percent.</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-668603</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to college in my late 20s and early 30s, and I was amazed to discover that there were credit card application forms IN THE CLASSROOMS! I&#039;m not kidding. That&#039;s so wrong on so many levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to college in my late 20s and early 30s, and I was amazed to discover that there were credit card application forms IN THE CLASSROOMS! I&#8217;m not kidding. That&#8217;s so wrong on so many levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-668569</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 02:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;trusted not to act&quot; ==&gt; &quot;trusted to act,&quot; of course.  D&#039;oh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;trusted not to act&#8221; ==&gt; &#8220;trusted to act,&#8221; of course.  D&#8217;oh.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/20/the-credit-cardholders-bill-of-rights-act-of-2009-is-here-what-does-it-mean-for-you-and-what-might-it-mean-for-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-668568</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 02:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy: I never said that student credit cards were the cause of the current financial mess.  What I said was that they *could* cause a mess.  Yes, student credit cards are (most likely) profitable for the banks now.  Subprime mortgages made money for the banks too...right up until they didn&#039;t.

But I&#039;m not an expert either, so this is all speculation on my part.  My point, though, is that the financial sector has proven pretty convincingly that it can&#039;t even be trusted not to act in its own best interests, let alone anyone else&#039;s.  And that, I think, is reason enough not to set &quot;freedom for banks to do whatever the heck they want&quot; as the default position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy: I never said that student credit cards were the cause of the current financial mess.  What I said was that they *could* cause a mess.  Yes, student credit cards are (most likely) profitable for the banks now.  Subprime mortgages made money for the banks too&#8230;right up until they didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not an expert either, so this is all speculation on my part.  My point, though, is that the financial sector has proven pretty convincingly that it can&#8217;t even be trusted not to act in its own best interests, let alone anyone else&#8217;s.  And that, I think, is reason enough not to set &#8220;freedom for banks to do whatever the heck they want&#8221; as the default position.</p>
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