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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 13:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Trent/ 

I love your blog and recently added to my RSS instead of getting hits from digg and such.

2 points I would suggest (with admittedly not reading all of the other ones...sorry). 

I drive a subaru. . .and it is the first car I love, Reviews are high. They are the orig AWD and all of their cars come with it. They ARE NOT THE CHEAPEST. . .but I believe that a car, being a long term investment, should not be the cheapest always. Reviews are steller and after seeing mine and my love for it I have had 3 friends all buy subaru&#039;s and love them. I drive an Impreza WRX wagon,  have no  kids but 120 lbs dog. 

When buying the car I saw the guy use this awesome  device that measures the thickness of paint on a vehicle I just looked into what these are called and found they are pretty pricy. The following has some accounts of good use and accuracy compared to more expensive devices. This could be  something that saves you with every used car you buy. Here are the ones I saw (at 225 USD): http://www.highlinemeter.com/

close to the same results on all metal implies that the car has never been repainted. . .and therefore never in an accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Trent/ </p>
<p>I love your blog and recently added to my RSS instead of getting hits from digg and such.</p>
<p>2 points I would suggest (with admittedly not reading all of the other ones&#8230;sorry). </p>
<p>I drive a subaru. . .and it is the first car I love, Reviews are high. They are the orig AWD and all of their cars come with it. They ARE NOT THE CHEAPEST. . .but I believe that a car, being a long term investment, should not be the cheapest always. Reviews are steller and after seeing mine and my love for it I have had 3 friends all buy subaru&#8217;s and love them. I drive an Impreza WRX wagon,  have no  kids but 120 lbs dog. </p>
<p>When buying the car I saw the guy use this awesome  device that measures the thickness of paint on a vehicle I just looked into what these are called and found they are pretty pricy. The following has some accounts of good use and accuracy compared to more expensive devices. This could be  something that saves you with every used car you buy. Here are the ones I saw (at 225 USD): <a href="http://www.highlinemeter.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.highlinemeter.com/</a></p>
<p>close to the same results on all metal implies that the car has never been repainted. . .and therefore never in an accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 04:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subaru Forester. It&#039;s a no-brainer. Good reliability. The beauty of AWD. I&#039;ve had two Subarus already, and will likely have a third when my current Forester finally gives way. Although, I doubt it will happen any time soon, even though it&#039;s got around 210K miles and is a &#039;98.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subaru Forester. It&#8217;s a no-brainer. Good reliability. The beauty of AWD. I&#8217;ve had two Subarus already, and will likely have a third when my current Forester finally gives way. Although, I doubt it will happen any time soon, even though it&#8217;s got around 210K miles and is a &#8217;98.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 19:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Northern New Hampshire.  I also work at a ski resort part time in the winter and am an avid snowboarder.  READ: I drive in snow, lots of it, the more the better!  Anyhow I have a mini-van and a Toyota Yaris (similar to the Prius).  I have NO trouble.  It&#039;s about good tires and driving slow.  Now I did live in SE Iowa for a few years and you get more ice.  What about studded tires?  4wd doesn&#039;t help on ice.  4WD is less fuel efficent.  I do not have the Siena but a friend is on her third.  She loves it and I would do that next as they now have the fold down seats.  I drive A LOT and in all kids of weather and do not see a need for 4wd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Northern New Hampshire.  I also work at a ski resort part time in the winter and am an avid snowboarder.  READ: I drive in snow, lots of it, the more the better!  Anyhow I have a mini-van and a Toyota Yaris (similar to the Prius).  I have NO trouble.  It&#8217;s about good tires and driving slow.  Now I did live in SE Iowa for a few years and you get more ice.  What about studded tires?  4wd doesn&#8217;t help on ice.  4WD is less fuel efficent.  I do not have the Siena but a friend is on her third.  She loves it and I would do that next as they now have the fold down seats.  I drive A LOT and in all kids of weather and do not see a need for 4wd.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a few recommendations for the Ford Freestyle/Taurus X above and would like to add another comment about them.

I started looking around early last year as the sedan I was driving was about to give up the ghost (bought it used, it had been a rental early in its life, and was starting to lose oil pressure at idle - not good).  The plan was to keep our paid-for 2000 Mazda MPV minivan for me and look for another used vehicle for my wife to drive.  We actually didn&#039;t want another minivan this time.  We have 3 kids, currently 10, 7, and 4 years old, so we needed 3 rows.  I&#039;m on a buy-American kick these days, as I feel the current generation of domestics are now equal in quality to forgien makes.  Top on my list was the GMC Acadia/Saturn Outlook and the Ford Freestyle.

The Acadia/Outlook was too new at the time, so there were no good deals on the used market.  Best I could find was an Outlook for $30K, way out of my price range.  Freestyle was looking better, as they had already renamed it the Taurus X at that point, and there were good values on the market.  I wound up buying a 2006 Freestyle Limited, with a year of factory warranty left, 20,000 miles, for $19K from a CarMax.  An excellent deal IMO, and it has been an excellent vehicle.  I have a friend that is a tech at a Ford dealer, and he says the Freestyles and Fusions have been excellent, rarely in the shop for anything but oil changes.

On 2WD vs. AWD - I was specifically looking for a 2WD model, which I purchased.  We live in WI so we see nasty weather here too, it has snowed quite a bit the last 2 winters.  The reason I wanted 2WD was mainly for fuel mileage.  Because of the lower weight of the 2WD model, plus the reduction in drivetrain losses, I figure I pick up 2-4 MPG depending on usage.  I would rather pick up a set of good winter tires and change them as part of regular maintenance (easy for me, as I do my own oil changes), instead of hauling around 300 lbs of AWD hardware around all the time.  By the way, we get 18-21 MPG in my wife&#039;s mixed driving during the week and have seen 26 MPG on longer highway trips.  If I watch the tach I can get 22 around town without any problem.  You may want to reconsider the winter tires, as I find I get excellent traction with them.  It would open up more potential possibilites on your search.  Good luck.  

Also - one more point - Freestyle has 5-star safety ratings all around with side curtain airbags.  Side curtain airbags were standard on Limiteds, I belive they were optional on SE and SEL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a few recommendations for the Ford Freestyle/Taurus X above and would like to add another comment about them.</p>
<p>I started looking around early last year as the sedan I was driving was about to give up the ghost (bought it used, it had been a rental early in its life, and was starting to lose oil pressure at idle &#8211; not good).  The plan was to keep our paid-for 2000 Mazda MPV minivan for me and look for another used vehicle for my wife to drive.  We actually didn&#8217;t want another minivan this time.  We have 3 kids, currently 10, 7, and 4 years old, so we needed 3 rows.  I&#8217;m on a buy-American kick these days, as I feel the current generation of domestics are now equal in quality to forgien makes.  Top on my list was the GMC Acadia/Saturn Outlook and the Ford Freestyle.</p>
<p>The Acadia/Outlook was too new at the time, so there were no good deals on the used market.  Best I could find was an Outlook for $30K, way out of my price range.  Freestyle was looking better, as they had already renamed it the Taurus X at that point, and there were good values on the market.  I wound up buying a 2006 Freestyle Limited, with a year of factory warranty left, 20,000 miles, for $19K from a CarMax.  An excellent deal IMO, and it has been an excellent vehicle.  I have a friend that is a tech at a Ford dealer, and he says the Freestyles and Fusions have been excellent, rarely in the shop for anything but oil changes.</p>
<p>On 2WD vs. AWD &#8211; I was specifically looking for a 2WD model, which I purchased.  We live in WI so we see nasty weather here too, it has snowed quite a bit the last 2 winters.  The reason I wanted 2WD was mainly for fuel mileage.  Because of the lower weight of the 2WD model, plus the reduction in drivetrain losses, I figure I pick up 2-4 MPG depending on usage.  I would rather pick up a set of good winter tires and change them as part of regular maintenance (easy for me, as I do my own oil changes), instead of hauling around 300 lbs of AWD hardware around all the time.  By the way, we get 18-21 MPG in my wife&#8217;s mixed driving during the week and have seen 26 MPG on longer highway trips.  If I watch the tach I can get 22 around town without any problem.  You may want to reconsider the winter tires, as I find I get excellent traction with them.  It would open up more potential possibilites on your search.  Good luck.  </p>
<p>Also &#8211; one more point &#8211; Freestyle has 5-star safety ratings all around with side curtain airbags.  Side curtain airbags were standard on Limiteds, I belive they were optional on SE and SEL.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly disagree that you need all wheel drive.  Your weather conditions are no worse than those in North West Indiana where we get phenominal lake-effect snow.  All wheel drive leads to poor fuel economy.  Just look at Subaru&#039;s line-up (they will have to produe 2wd vehicles if they want to meet the new mpg requirements).  I&#039;ve driven RWD sports cars, with snow tires, through our brutal winters and have had no issues.  A good set of snow tires, beyond the up front cost of purchasing them, will not cost more in the long run.  Shops like Discount Tire will do free wheels swaps if you don&#039;t want to swap your tires on your own.  With a FWD van, and snow tires, you&#039;ll do just as well as any AWD vehicle and reap the benefits of better fuel economy not to mention the lower maintenance cost as well as a lower up-front cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly disagree that you need all wheel drive.  Your weather conditions are no worse than those in North West Indiana where we get phenominal lake-effect snow.  All wheel drive leads to poor fuel economy.  Just look at Subaru&#8217;s line-up (they will have to produe 2wd vehicles if they want to meet the new mpg requirements).  I&#8217;ve driven RWD sports cars, with snow tires, through our brutal winters and have had no issues.  A good set of snow tires, beyond the up front cost of purchasing them, will not cost more in the long run.  Shops like Discount Tire will do free wheels swaps if you don&#8217;t want to swap your tires on your own.  With a FWD van, and snow tires, you&#8217;ll do just as well as any AWD vehicle and reap the benefits of better fuel economy not to mention the lower maintenance cost as well as a lower up-front cost.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My toyota truck is 17 years old and works great.  2wd 4 cylinder.  Drives OK in the snow weighted. I would buy another one. Credit where credit is due, my bicycle is even more reliable and keeps miles off the truck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My toyota truck is 17 years old and works great.  2wd 4 cylinder.  Drives OK in the snow weighted. I would buy another one. Credit where credit is due, my bicycle is even more reliable and keeps miles off the truck.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised no one has mentioned this - but what about fixing your current truck up?  youdidnt mention what exactly was wrong with it, but a few thousand in repairs sure beats the cost of buying any of the new ones being talked about here.  It will then last you the 2 years or so until the third little one comes.  by then the prius will be paid off too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised no one has mentioned this &#8211; but what about fixing your current truck up?  youdidnt mention what exactly was wrong with it, but a few thousand in repairs sure beats the cost of buying any of the new ones being talked about here.  It will then last you the 2 years or so until the third little one comes.  by then the prius will be paid off too!</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, 

Unless you specifically need a truck, you should look at a Subaru. They are very well made, extremely reliable, run problem free for years, handle great in snow/icy conditions and also hold their resale value. I drove my Subaru for years without a single problem and only reluctantly sold it when I moved to a city where a car was no longer needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, </p>
<p>Unless you specifically need a truck, you should look at a Subaru. They are very well made, extremely reliable, run problem free for years, handle great in snow/icy conditions and also hold their resale value. I drove my Subaru for years without a single problem and only reluctantly sold it when I moved to a city where a car was no longer needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have 3 kids and went through the same thing a year back.  Consumer reports has Toyota Sienna and Honda Oddyssey at the top of the list.  If you look through their used lists, there are several models of Mazda&#039;s MPV that are also highly rated.  We went with an &#039;05 MPV with few miles and saved a mint compared to Toyota and Honda&#039;s pricing.  We love the slightly smaller size and the middle row configuration (I originally wanted a bench seat there but don&#039;t miss it).  We don&#039;t have to deal with snow so I can&#039;t comment on icy condition performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have 3 kids and went through the same thing a year back.  Consumer reports has Toyota Sienna and Honda Oddyssey at the top of the list.  If you look through their used lists, there are several models of Mazda&#8217;s MPV that are also highly rated.  We went with an &#8217;05 MPV with few miles and saved a mint compared to Toyota and Honda&#8217;s pricing.  We love the slightly smaller size and the middle row configuration (I originally wanted a bench seat there but don&#8217;t miss it).  We don&#8217;t have to deal with snow so I can&#8217;t comment on icy condition performance.</p>
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		<title>By: CathyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>CathyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a comment to Sandy #24 - while it is an economically great idea to use your old beater van for a new driver to learn on, you need to think about your daughter (and her friends) and how much more &quot;fun&quot; they would be able to have in a van with fully reclinable seats compared to &quot;the back seat&quot; of a standard car, if you know what I mean :-)  If the van&#039;s a-rockin&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a comment to Sandy #24 &#8211; while it is an economically great idea to use your old beater van for a new driver to learn on, you need to think about your daughter (and her friends) and how much more &#8220;fun&#8221; they would be able to have in a van with fully reclinable seats compared to &#8220;the back seat&#8221; of a standard car, if you know what I mean :-)  If the van&#8217;s a-rockin&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the Taurus X (or Freestyle), not quite a minivan, but close. Excellent safety ratings. My brother loves his. I want to get one next year after we have our baby, but I don&#039;t think we will be able to afford any new vehicle for a year or 2. (Mainly because I got pregnant a lot quicker than expected).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the Taurus X (or Freestyle), not quite a minivan, but close. Excellent safety ratings. My brother loves his. I want to get one next year after we have our baby, but I don&#8217;t think we will be able to afford any new vehicle for a year or 2. (Mainly because I got pregnant a lot quicker than expected).</p>
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		<title>By: CathyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>CathyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a Toyota Sienna, and I want to give you something to look at in the test drive: 
It happends when you are driving along and then you coast for a bit - for example, you might be  on the highway when traffic is slightly slowing but picks back up in a half minute, or on a residential street when you want to slow just a bit maybe to watch for some kids on the sidewalk, or maybe as you approach a red light which is about to turn green;  then you want to resume speed. In those cases, when you press on the gas to continue driving, the Sienna takes a full second or two before the mechanism engages to move you forward.  

So the effect is like this: you&#039;re driving along, foot off the gas to slow slightly, then press on the gas to get back up to speed, wait 1 - 2, car suddently lurches forward.  For me, when I first noticed the car not responding, I think I might have thought that I wasn&#039;t pressing the gas hard enough at first, so I pressed a bit harder, then suddenly the engine would engage and the car would jerk forward. But even after studying it for a while, it still happens no matter how gently I press the gas.  And I&#039;ve noticed it happens when my husband drives too, and he is the most cautious driver, compared to my lead foot.

I talked to the dealer service guy about it and he says that the Sienna&#039;s computer was programmed like that and there was nothing they could do to fix it unless Toyota was to reprogram it.

YMMV, but I always mention this when people ask me about my Sienna.  Other than that, I love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Toyota Sienna, and I want to give you something to look at in the test drive:<br />
It happends when you are driving along and then you coast for a bit &#8211; for example, you might be  on the highway when traffic is slightly slowing but picks back up in a half minute, or on a residential street when you want to slow just a bit maybe to watch for some kids on the sidewalk, or maybe as you approach a red light which is about to turn green;  then you want to resume speed. In those cases, when you press on the gas to continue driving, the Sienna takes a full second or two before the mechanism engages to move you forward.  </p>
<p>So the effect is like this: you&#8217;re driving along, foot off the gas to slow slightly, then press on the gas to get back up to speed, wait 1 &#8211; 2, car suddently lurches forward.  For me, when I first noticed the car not responding, I think I might have thought that I wasn&#8217;t pressing the gas hard enough at first, so I pressed a bit harder, then suddenly the engine would engage and the car would jerk forward. But even after studying it for a while, it still happens no matter how gently I press the gas.  And I&#8217;ve noticed it happens when my husband drives too, and he is the most cautious driver, compared to my lead foot.</p>
<p>I talked to the dealer service guy about it and he says that the Sienna&#8217;s computer was programmed like that and there was nothing they could do to fix it unless Toyota was to reprogram it.</p>
<p>YMMV, but I always mention this when people ask me about my Sienna.  Other than that, I love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is worth waiting a bit Trent.  First, the  &quot;Cash for clunkers&quot; bill that&#039;s working it&#039;s way through congress can affect you in one of two ways.  First way - if your current (worthless) clunker is rated 18 mpg or less, it&#039;s worth $3,500 as a trade in on a more fuel efficient vehicle.  Check your current vehicle&#039;s (overall) rating at www.fueleconomy.gov .  Even if you don&#039;t qualify or choose not to take advantage of this, the program itself will have the consequence of reducing values on used cars.  Since the &quot;clunker&quot; bill only applies to new cars, the demand for used cars should fall dramatically, bringing values down with them. 

I say it&#039;s worth waiting a month or two to see how this bill works out.  As far as recommendations - look into the Honda Pilot.  It is an excellent vehicle, and as a used car, it doesn&#039;t hold it&#039;s value as well as most Hondas.  Down side is that real world fuel economy is around 16 mpg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is worth waiting a bit Trent.  First, the  &#8220;Cash for clunkers&#8221; bill that&#8217;s working it&#8217;s way through congress can affect you in one of two ways.  First way &#8211; if your current (worthless) clunker is rated 18 mpg or less, it&#8217;s worth $3,500 as a trade in on a more fuel efficient vehicle.  Check your current vehicle&#8217;s (overall) rating at <a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.fueleconomy.gov</a> .  Even if you don&#8217;t qualify or choose not to take advantage of this, the program itself will have the consequence of reducing values on used cars.  Since the &#8220;clunker&#8221; bill only applies to new cars, the demand for used cars should fall dramatically, bringing values down with them. </p>
<p>I say it&#8217;s worth waiting a month or two to see how this bill works out.  As far as recommendations &#8211; look into the Honda Pilot.  It is an excellent vehicle, and as a used car, it doesn&#8217;t hold it&#8217;s value as well as most Hondas.  Down side is that real world fuel economy is around 16 mpg.</p>
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		<title>By: Dottie</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/22/car-purchase-2-judgment-day/comment-page-3/#comment-673931</link>
		<dc:creator>Dottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 13:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe a mini van is what you need also.We purchased a new 1994 Astro Van when our children were very young and it was perfect. If needed you can move easily from the front seat to the middle row seats to care for the children and it can haul just about anything with the seats removed/stowed. Seating for 8 is great when the grandparents are with you.
We just traded our Astro(261,000 miles and still ran great) for a new  Ford Expedition. We needed a bigger vehicle to pull a large travel trailer that we inherited. The Astro was the first American car we owned and we were very pleased with it.
I know many believe that you should not purchase new, however as you can tell we keep a vehicle a very long time. It is great to have the warranty and dependablity of a new vehicle( my husband is NOT by any means mechanically inclined. We do perform routine maintenance religiously and I believe this adds to the longevity. I have a few friends that always buy late model, however I stand by our decision to buy new as the best fit for our family.  Good luck with you car search. May you find a wonderful van that is just perfect for you and your family!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe a mini van is what you need also.We purchased a new 1994 Astro Van when our children were very young and it was perfect. If needed you can move easily from the front seat to the middle row seats to care for the children and it can haul just about anything with the seats removed/stowed. Seating for 8 is great when the grandparents are with you.<br />
We just traded our Astro(261,000 miles and still ran great) for a new  Ford Expedition. We needed a bigger vehicle to pull a large travel trailer that we inherited. The Astro was the first American car we owned and we were very pleased with it.<br />
I know many believe that you should not purchase new, however as you can tell we keep a vehicle a very long time. It is great to have the warranty and dependablity of a new vehicle( my husband is NOT by any means mechanically inclined. We do perform routine maintenance religiously and I believe this adds to the longevity. I have a few friends that always buy late model, however I stand by our decision to buy new as the best fit for our family.  Good luck with you car search. May you find a wonderful van that is just perfect for you and your family!</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa Lemire</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/22/car-purchase-2-judgment-day/comment-page-3/#comment-673741</link>
		<dc:creator>Theresa Lemire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 06:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just went through this process and decided to buy the Sienna for the same reasons you listed.  There are not a lot of the all-wheel drive versions out there.  We found ours by speaking with a salesman at the local dealership.  They hunted down the van for us. We got a great deal and we love the van.  Now we just need to sell our 91 Previa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just went through this process and decided to buy the Sienna for the same reasons you listed.  There are not a lot of the all-wheel drive versions out there.  We found ours by speaking with a salesman at the local dealership.  They hunted down the van for us. We got a great deal and we love the van.  Now we just need to sell our 91 Previa!</p>
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		<title>By: John (Denver)</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/22/car-purchase-2-judgment-day/comment-page-3/#comment-673306</link>
		<dc:creator>John (Denver)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 19:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t mention specifics (year, model, etc) of your old truck, but maybe you can wait till the &quot;Cash for Clunkers&quot; program passes thru Congress?   We&#039;re waiting to trade in our old 95 Isuzu Trooper on a new vehicle that gets great gas mileage.   Google the phrase and check out the specifics of the bills working thru the House and Senate - looks like a great option for us to upgrade our old guzzler....might be for you as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t mention specifics (year, model, etc) of your old truck, but maybe you can wait till the &#8220;Cash for Clunkers&#8221; program passes thru Congress?   We&#8217;re waiting to trade in our old 95 Isuzu Trooper on a new vehicle that gets great gas mileage.   Google the phrase and check out the specifics of the bills working thru the House and Senate &#8211; looks like a great option for us to upgrade our old guzzler&#8230;.might be for you as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in NC</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/22/car-purchase-2-judgment-day/comment-page-3/#comment-673204</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill in NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 15:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A minivan is what you need, but insisting on AWD will make it much more expensive.

See if your local conditions are driveable with snow tires (preferably studded) on a FWD minivan - ask your friends &amp; neighbors what they use in snow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A minivan is what you need, but insisting on AWD will make it much more expensive.</p>
<p>See if your local conditions are driveable with snow tires (preferably studded) on a FWD minivan &#8211; ask your friends &amp; neighbors what they use in snow.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/22/car-purchase-2-judgment-day/comment-page-2/#comment-672602</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 02:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robin Crickman, I&#039;m surprised that you are the only person to mention the question of morals re: selling the old truck. It was the first thing I thought of, I can&#039;t believe that Trent is prepared to sell something that is unsafe. 

That&#039;s just cheap, not frugal, cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robin Crickman, I&#8217;m surprised that you are the only person to mention the question of morals re: selling the old truck. It was the first thing I thought of, I can&#8217;t believe that Trent is prepared to sell something that is unsafe. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just cheap, not frugal, cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/05/22/car-purchase-2-judgment-day/comment-page-2/#comment-672275</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 20:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We ended up in this situation last summer, when we got rear-ended by an 18-wheeler - ouch!!  

I really wanted a minivan, but in our area, they hold their value unbelieveably, especially Toyota and Honda.  We could not find one for what we thought was a reasonable price.  

We also needed a 4WD about 6 weeks out of the year and for visiting the in-laws.  By the time we found a barebones, used AWD minivan, the price was comparable to a comfortably equipped, large SUV.  

So, for the price of a well-used minivan, we bought a brand-new Honda Pilot, which seats 8 comfortably.  

We routinely put all five members of our family in it, and haul the grandparents as well. Because it&#039;s my primary car, and I work from home/mind my toddler, we don&#039;t drive it much and thus the gas mileage isn&#039;t an issue.  

We considered a CR-V, but it didn&#039;t hold five comfortably. We also reviewed Subaru&#039;s offerings, as we like Subaru, but again, the space was an issue.  

One final thing - we routinely review Consumer Reports &amp; Edmonds.com before car purchases.  We&#039;ve never had a &quot;problem&quot; car, and we don&#039;t intend to start now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We ended up in this situation last summer, when we got rear-ended by an 18-wheeler &#8211; ouch!!  </p>
<p>I really wanted a minivan, but in our area, they hold their value unbelieveably, especially Toyota and Honda.  We could not find one for what we thought was a reasonable price.  </p>
<p>We also needed a 4WD about 6 weeks out of the year and for visiting the in-laws.  By the time we found a barebones, used AWD minivan, the price was comparable to a comfortably equipped, large SUV.  </p>
<p>So, for the price of a well-used minivan, we bought a brand-new Honda Pilot, which seats 8 comfortably.  </p>
<p>We routinely put all five members of our family in it, and haul the grandparents as well. Because it&#8217;s my primary car, and I work from home/mind my toddler, we don&#8217;t drive it much and thus the gas mileage isn&#8217;t an issue.  </p>
<p>We considered a CR-V, but it didn&#8217;t hold five comfortably. We also reviewed Subaru&#8217;s offerings, as we like Subaru, but again, the space was an issue.  </p>
<p>One final thing &#8211; we routinely review Consumer Reports &amp; Edmonds.com before car purchases.  We&#8217;ve never had a &#8220;problem&#8221; car, and we don&#8217;t intend to start now!</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 18:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;ve had good luck with American made or maybe things have changed in the last few years.  I had a 1979 Buick Electra Ltd. (next to lgst size) and it had 363k miles on it when it died and got 28-30 mpg. in warm weather and 25-28 in cold weather.  I had one remanufactured engine dropped in, but it averaged out in the time we owned the car to about $16 per month.  I always keep a car as long as repairs and maintenance is $100-110 a month or less.  Can&#039;t buy another car for that amount.

I also had a 1991 Chev Lumina which had 316k on it at death and again, less than $100 repairs &amp; maint. per month.  It also got 28-30 mpg in summer and 25-28 in winter.

Basically the high mileage was added quickly as, on the Buick I was averaging over 40k miles a yr.  In fact, the warranty on the engine ($1400 cost &amp; labor) was for 24 mos. or 24k miles &amp; cost me $50.  That warranty ran out in 9 months &amp; 1 week.

My current car is a 2000 Taurus SE wagon and has 167k miles on it.  I don&#039;t drive as much now, so it may not last as long.  We have had it for 4 years and the gas mileage isn&#039;t as good sometimes (23-26 mpg).  However, last year I took a longer trip and tried some of the gas saving tips I read of on MSN.  The first 2 fill ups I made 33.2 mpg.
Wow!!  I averaged about 29-30 mpg on the whole trip.  The last half was through mountainous country (for the midwest) and lowered my mileage some.

But, I must admit, my husband had a Toyota pickup and it lasted and lasted and lasted.  Got good mileage at first, but gradually dropped.  I don&#039;t know if it is still running or not.  I should check.  I gave it to a friend&#039;s grandson to work on when my husband died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;ve had good luck with American made or maybe things have changed in the last few years.  I had a 1979 Buick Electra Ltd. (next to lgst size) and it had 363k miles on it when it died and got 28-30 mpg. in warm weather and 25-28 in cold weather.  I had one remanufactured engine dropped in, but it averaged out in the time we owned the car to about $16 per month.  I always keep a car as long as repairs and maintenance is $100-110 a month or less.  Can&#8217;t buy another car for that amount.</p>
<p>I also had a 1991 Chev Lumina which had 316k on it at death and again, less than $100 repairs &amp; maint. per month.  It also got 28-30 mpg in summer and 25-28 in winter.</p>
<p>Basically the high mileage was added quickly as, on the Buick I was averaging over 40k miles a yr.  In fact, the warranty on the engine ($1400 cost &amp; labor) was for 24 mos. or 24k miles &amp; cost me $50.  That warranty ran out in 9 months &amp; 1 week.</p>
<p>My current car is a 2000 Taurus SE wagon and has 167k miles on it.  I don&#8217;t drive as much now, so it may not last as long.  We have had it for 4 years and the gas mileage isn&#8217;t as good sometimes (23-26 mpg).  However, last year I took a longer trip and tried some of the gas saving tips I read of on MSN.  The first 2 fill ups I made 33.2 mpg.<br />
Wow!!  I averaged about 29-30 mpg on the whole trip.  The last half was through mountainous country (for the midwest) and lowered my mileage some.</p>
<p>But, I must admit, my husband had a Toyota pickup and it lasted and lasted and lasted.  Got good mileage at first, but gradually dropped.  I don&#8217;t know if it is still running or not.  I should check.  I gave it to a friend&#8217;s grandson to work on when my husband died.</p>
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