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	<title>Comments on: Is Renting a Vehicle for a Long Road Trip Worth It?  Our Math Says Yes</title>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went back and looked at this post after a recent trip of almost 600 miles. I&#039;m reimbursed for mileage by my employer, but wondered if it would be better to rent a car and not have the mileage added to my personal car. Of course if I take a rental (at employer&#039;s expense) I can&#039;t take the mileage allowance, so I don&#039;t pad my pocket with any money.

The trip was 589 miles, and paid 55cents per mile, so that&#039;s 323.95 in my pocket. I get around 20mpg at around $3.15/gallon, so that&#039;s $92.77 for gas alone. Will depreciation, maintenance, insurance, etc chew up the extra $231.18?

Seems like I&#039;m almost always better off taking my own car and taking the mileage allowance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went back and looked at this post after a recent trip of almost 600 miles. I&#8217;m reimbursed for mileage by my employer, but wondered if it would be better to rent a car and not have the mileage added to my personal car. Of course if I take a rental (at employer&#8217;s expense) I can&#8217;t take the mileage allowance, so I don&#8217;t pad my pocket with any money.</p>
<p>The trip was 589 miles, and paid 55cents per mile, so that&#8217;s 323.95 in my pocket. I get around 20mpg at around $3.15/gallon, so that&#8217;s $92.77 for gas alone. Will depreciation, maintenance, insurance, etc chew up the extra $231.18?</p>
<p>Seems like I&#8217;m almost always better off taking my own car and taking the mileage allowance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You simply have to be able say &#039;no, thanks at that price&#039; at least once to the dealer. This gives them a strong message that you are serious about your research.

You should also bring a piece of paper to the dealership and make sure you do all the math of the finance calculations yourself. The point is not that they will do the math wrong. The point is you will see exactly how the deal is structured. Do not be afraid to take the time to do this or look like a fool for mapping out your car deal in the dealership. 

My dad swears by this process, &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/knflt6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/knflt6&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You simply have to be able say &#8216;no, thanks at that price&#8217; at least once to the dealer. This gives them a strong message that you are serious about your research.</p>
<p>You should also bring a piece of paper to the dealership and make sure you do all the math of the finance calculations yourself. The point is not that they will do the math wrong. The point is you will see exactly how the deal is structured. Do not be afraid to take the time to do this or look like a fool for mapping out your car deal in the dealership. </p>
<p>My dad swears by this process, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/knflt6" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/knflt6</a></p>
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		<title>By: FrugalZen</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalZen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I live here in Rental Car World....Orlando, Florida and the car agencies have some very stiff rules..whether they are the same elsewhere I don&#039;t know.

Anyway

1/Vehicle CANNOT be taken out of state...fine print in contract states vehicle is UN-INSURED if done so.

2/If you ignore and still go out of state you incur a $1 or higher mileage charge...this is enforced by the hidden onboard GPS that tells them when, where,how fast and how many miles...again in fine print.

3/GPS is ALWAYS checked when returning the vehicle because there is also a clause in the mice type that if you exceed the speed limit on any road by a certain amount you are assessed a Penalty. Usually around $150 per occurrance.

4/Sometimes there is also a clause that says if the car is stolen through your negligence...like leaving the key in the ingnition...the theft insurance is void and you agree personally to indemnify them for the car.

5/If you as driver or any other driver is arrested for whatever reason the contract is immediately void and the police know to call the rental agency to come get the car or the tow truck company is told not to release it to you if you try to pick it up...even if the contract dates are still in force..end of discussion, no appeal, and the tow bill and a hefty (usually $250) &quot;recovery fee&quot; for them going to pick it up is charged to your credit card.


The Mice Type is very long on car rental contracts but you need to really annoy the clerk by taking the 30 minutes or so it will take to read it.

All the mice type is how they generate enough money to stay in business.

The rental fee is a loss leader to get you to rent the car...then they lay all the other hidden fees and late surprises on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I live here in Rental Car World&#8230;.Orlando, Florida and the car agencies have some very stiff rules..whether they are the same elsewhere I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Anyway</p>
<p>1/Vehicle CANNOT be taken out of state&#8230;fine print in contract states vehicle is UN-INSURED if done so.</p>
<p>2/If you ignore and still go out of state you incur a $1 or higher mileage charge&#8230;this is enforced by the hidden onboard GPS that tells them when, where,how fast and how many miles&#8230;again in fine print.</p>
<p>3/GPS is ALWAYS checked when returning the vehicle because there is also a clause in the mice type that if you exceed the speed limit on any road by a certain amount you are assessed a Penalty. Usually around $150 per occurrance.</p>
<p>4/Sometimes there is also a clause that says if the car is stolen through your negligence&#8230;like leaving the key in the ingnition&#8230;the theft insurance is void and you agree personally to indemnify them for the car.</p>
<p>5/If you as driver or any other driver is arrested for whatever reason the contract is immediately void and the police know to call the rental agency to come get the car or the tow truck company is told not to release it to you if you try to pick it up&#8230;even if the contract dates are still in force..end of discussion, no appeal, and the tow bill and a hefty (usually $250) &#8220;recovery fee&#8221; for them going to pick it up is charged to your credit card.</p>
<p>The Mice Type is very long on car rental contracts but you need to really annoy the clerk by taking the 30 minutes or so it will take to read it.</p>
<p>All the mice type is how they generate enough money to stay in business.</p>
<p>The rental fee is a loss leader to get you to rent the car&#8230;then they lay all the other hidden fees and late surprises on you.</p>
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		<title>By: jc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a lot of commenters have missed that Trent includes major repairs in his depreciation calculation.  sure, older cars depreciate more slowly in terms of value for trade-in or re-sale, but they also incur ever increasing costs for repairs (otherwise, the frugal choice would always be to drive the oldest and highest mileage car possible!)  so each additional mile added to a car has a diminishing effect on the headline depreciation, but an increasing effect on depreciation PLUS major repairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a lot of commenters have missed that Trent includes major repairs in his depreciation calculation.  sure, older cars depreciate more slowly in terms of value for trade-in or re-sale, but they also incur ever increasing costs for repairs (otherwise, the frugal choice would always be to drive the oldest and highest mileage car possible!)  so each additional mile added to a car has a diminishing effect on the headline depreciation, but an increasing effect on depreciation PLUS major repairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: the loss of use, you should check into your credit card.  I wrote a post about this on my blog (http://penn.typepad.com/penn/2009/04/oh-car-rentals.html), but the short story is that the combo of Enterprise + Visa Signature seems to be a good one.  Your credit card company will often cover loss of use, so you&#039;re covered without the pricey insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: the loss of use, you should check into your credit card.  I wrote a post about this on my blog (<a href="http://penn.typepad.com/penn/2009/04/oh-car-rentals.html)" rel="nofollow">http://penn.typepad.com/penn/2009/04/oh-car-rentals.html)</a>, but the short story is that the combo of Enterprise + Visa Signature seems to be a good one.  Your credit card company will often cover loss of use, so you&#8217;re covered without the pricey insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see you speak here in the DFW area. I live in Arlington and I am a huge fan of our local library. I would be willing to help you out in getting connected with our library!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see you speak here in the DFW area. I live in Arlington and I am a huge fan of our local library. I would be willing to help you out in getting connected with our library!</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One additional advantage to the rental company insurance is that should something go wrong, the claim doesn&#039;t show up on your insurance. So your premiums won&#039;t go up that way. The insurance company doesn&#039;t really care if you were at fault or not; too big a claim, and your premiums go up or they drop you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One additional advantage to the rental company insurance is that should something go wrong, the claim doesn&#8217;t show up on your insurance. So your premiums won&#8217;t go up that way. The insurance company doesn&#8217;t really care if you were at fault or not; too big a claim, and your premiums go up or they drop you.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger in kentucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger in kentucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been stunned at how cheap renting can be for trips - especially not in the peak vacation season.  

Especially for those of us which like to keep a car for a decade to drive locally.  

Depreciation DOES count in the long run - though I agree with the comments reminding us it is NOT a linear function when figuring for an older car.  

Given how much the extra rental insurance adds to the cost - unless you are accident prone - I don&#039;t see how the cost is worth it in the long run - as long as you have good coverage. (And I suspect they DO train the desk clerks to act like not taking that insurance is a &quot;catastrophe&quot; since it is such a high profit item).  Yes, you may get hit once for some loss of use - but getting whacked outrageously EVERY time you rent is money you can save and invest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been stunned at how cheap renting can be for trips &#8211; especially not in the peak vacation season.  </p>
<p>Especially for those of us which like to keep a car for a decade to drive locally.  </p>
<p>Depreciation DOES count in the long run &#8211; though I agree with the comments reminding us it is NOT a linear function when figuring for an older car.  </p>
<p>Given how much the extra rental insurance adds to the cost &#8211; unless you are accident prone &#8211; I don&#8217;t see how the cost is worth it in the long run &#8211; as long as you have good coverage. (And I suspect they DO train the desk clerks to act like not taking that insurance is a &#8220;catastrophe&#8221; since it is such a high profit item).  Yes, you may get hit once for some loss of use &#8211; but getting whacked outrageously EVERY time you rent is money you can save and invest.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those folks who worry about their vehicles breaking down while on vacation, it will break down anyway except it will be on your work commute or other trip when you&#039;re not expecting it.  Routine maintenance heads off these mishaps.  The schedule is layed out in your owner&#039;s manual, most people ignore them.

If the rental vehicle breaks down, the replacement will still take a while to arrive.  That timely replacement is entirely dependant on the local personnel delivering it and the vehicles in stock.  It may not be large enough to hold your passengers and belongings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those folks who worry about their vehicles breaking down while on vacation, it will break down anyway except it will be on your work commute or other trip when you&#8217;re not expecting it.  Routine maintenance heads off these mishaps.  The schedule is layed out in your owner&#8217;s manual, most people ignore them.</p>
<p>If the rental vehicle breaks down, the replacement will still take a while to arrive.  That timely replacement is entirely dependant on the local personnel delivering it and the vehicles in stock.  It may not be large enough to hold your passengers and belongings!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum to my Comment #44

I use Enterprise for the weekend rentals solely to reduce wear and tear on my car. Costwise per mile is about the same, but trips to Dallas and back over a weekend are close to 600 miles. San Antonio and back (I include &quot;driving around&quot; in these trips) is about 500. Four weekend trips was 2000 miles I didn&#039;t add to my odometer. Worth it, especially since I want this car to last. Oh, and we never drive my wife&#039;s 2008 on long distance trips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum to my Comment #44</p>
<p>I use Enterprise for the weekend rentals solely to reduce wear and tear on my car. Costwise per mile is about the same, but trips to Dallas and back over a weekend are close to 600 miles. San Antonio and back (I include &#8220;driving around&#8221; in these trips) is about 500. Four weekend trips was 2000 miles I didn&#8217;t add to my odometer. Worth it, especially since I want this car to last. Oh, and we never drive my wife&#8217;s 2008 on long distance trips.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve done your math and there&#039;s no arguing that taking one vehicle instead of 2 is a great option. But, aside from sharing the costs with your parents, you also share the driving. That can be a real safety issue, especially if you&#039;re all anxious to get to the next stop, or are covering areas that tend to be endless and monotonous. I would assume that you would never drive when sleepy, but this way, you always have a fresh driver at the ready. It can be trying, however, if the individuals are not extremely patient with one another. Have a great trip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve done your math and there&#8217;s no arguing that taking one vehicle instead of 2 is a great option. But, aside from sharing the costs with your parents, you also share the driving. That can be a real safety issue, especially if you&#8217;re all anxious to get to the next stop, or are covering areas that tend to be endless and monotonous. I would assume that you would never drive when sleepy, but this way, you always have a fresh driver at the ready. It can be trying, however, if the individuals are not extremely patient with one another. Have a great trip!</p>
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		<title>By: Ram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brandon, do the math, depending on the distance you travel and for the number of days, it might still be worth flying looking at the flying costs these days. 

@Trent, I like this post. but not sure why you are only weighing on the hard benefits of &quot;saving money&quot; in this instance. look at the soft benefits - there are plenty
a. all of you in one car eliminates the dependency of one following the other or not
b. food and beverages, all in one car, so you don&#039;t really get off the car when you need something and since all are together, it is merrier in sharing
c. all together, means it is a great learning for the kids in terms of family value, learn from your childhood stories, recall your childhood stories with your children and the parents
d. grand parents sharing their childhood parents with the kids. 
e. when all of you decide to stop over to relax, you are in one car/van to communicate, so no need to use the phone. 
f. share driving with four people instead of only two. may not be required all the time, but still have an option.
and many more...
we had to make a similar decision but still drove in 2 cars last summers, just because we couldn&#039;t find a vehicle with 9 seaters. we were five includig our parents; and a friends family of 4. so there was no other go but go in 2 cars, was not that much of fun driving although we had lots fun at the stop overs. 
-Ram</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brandon, do the math, depending on the distance you travel and for the number of days, it might still be worth flying looking at the flying costs these days. </p>
<p>@Trent, I like this post. but not sure why you are only weighing on the hard benefits of &#8220;saving money&#8221; in this instance. look at the soft benefits &#8211; there are plenty<br />
a. all of you in one car eliminates the dependency of one following the other or not<br />
b. food and beverages, all in one car, so you don&#8217;t really get off the car when you need something and since all are together, it is merrier in sharing<br />
c. all together, means it is a great learning for the kids in terms of family value, learn from your childhood stories, recall your childhood stories with your children and the parents<br />
d. grand parents sharing their childhood parents with the kids.<br />
e. when all of you decide to stop over to relax, you are in one car/van to communicate, so no need to use the phone.<br />
f. share driving with four people instead of only two. may not be required all the time, but still have an option.<br />
and many more&#8230;<br />
we had to make a similar decision but still drove in 2 cars last summers, just because we couldn&#8217;t find a vehicle with 9 seaters. we were five includig our parents; and a friends family of 4. so there was no other go but go in 2 cars, was not that much of fun driving although we had lots fun at the stop overs.<br />
-Ram</p>
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		<title>By: Jake T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the &quot;hidden&quot; costs of driving is the significantly elevated risk of death or injury, as compared to staying home.  40,000 Americans die on the road each year.

Renting a late-model minivan may give you more safety features (i.e. a more survivable vehicle), as compared to an older car.  In addition, you avoid the very distracting and borderline unsafe practice of &quot;convoying&quot; two cars.

You can&#039;t easily put a dollar value on this, but it should definitely be part of your decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the &#8220;hidden&#8221; costs of driving is the significantly elevated risk of death or injury, as compared to staying home.  40,000 Americans die on the road each year.</p>
<p>Renting a late-model minivan may give you more safety features (i.e. a more survivable vehicle), as compared to an older car.  In addition, you avoid the very distracting and borderline unsafe practice of &#8220;convoying&#8221; two cars.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t easily put a dollar value on this, but it should definitely be part of your decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I recommended this option on the comments I made on your post about deciding what to buy for your second vehicle.  An invaluable source of information on the many minor irriations of some minivans.  And, I know you can rent a Sienna from the dealer. (We did that recently, as I mentioned, to avoid speeding up replacement of our older cars... 2500 miles is 1/2 year of my driving, changing our timelines).
Not to mention - the new Sienna is miles more comfy than our old vehicle.
Next - some of my best bonding as a child was that inevitable back-and-forth in the car.  You lose that - plus those looks you and your wife will exchange over the heads of the napping children - when you are in different vehicles.  Lastly, my husband and I have driven cross-country multiple times (CA to New England, stopping in IA) over the years;  switching off really helps one of us relax or otherwise have a break.  My mom reads to my dad in the car - you can do that (pick &quot;Wind in the Willows&quot; or something that works for you and the kids if possible)... far preferrable to DVDs and much better family memories.  None of that is possible with 2 cars and worn out parents from both driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I recommended this option on the comments I made on your post about deciding what to buy for your second vehicle.  An invaluable source of information on the many minor irriations of some minivans.  And, I know you can rent a Sienna from the dealer. (We did that recently, as I mentioned, to avoid speeding up replacement of our older cars&#8230; 2500 miles is 1/2 year of my driving, changing our timelines).<br />
Not to mention &#8211; the new Sienna is miles more comfy than our old vehicle.<br />
Next &#8211; some of my best bonding as a child was that inevitable back-and-forth in the car.  You lose that &#8211; plus those looks you and your wife will exchange over the heads of the napping children &#8211; when you are in different vehicles.  Lastly, my husband and I have driven cross-country multiple times (CA to New England, stopping in IA) over the years;  switching off really helps one of us relax or otherwise have a break.  My mom reads to my dad in the car &#8211; you can do that (pick &#8220;Wind in the Willows&#8221; or something that works for you and the kids if possible)&#8230; far preferrable to DVDs and much better family memories.  None of that is possible with 2 cars and worn out parents from both driving.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think depreciation should definitely be considered.   There is real financial impact from driving a car a lot of miles.

Miles are not free or unlimited.   Look at it this way:   What if Trent made this 2,500 mile trip 20 times in the next 5 years.  He&#039;d be putting an extra 50k miles on his car.  Is a car with 50k more miles on it worth more or less than a car with 50k fewer miles?   Obviously you can&#039;t sell a car with 75k miles for the same amount as a car with 25k miles.

But maybe you plan to keep the car until it dies.   If you drive it a lot more then it will die sooner.   If he paid $20k for the car and he expects it to last 200k miles then thats roughly 10c per mile.   Every mile you drive on a car will reduce its life.  There is a cost to that.


If you have a cheap car then the price is a lot lower.  If my dad drives his 1991 truck that he bought for $500 then the impact of depreciation from each additional mile he puts on it is so low its almost negligible.

But when you&#039;re driving an old beater with a lot of miles they are prone to breaking down and thats NOT really something you want to happen on a long road trip.  If you&#039;ve never had a car break down on a summer vacation then maybe you can&#039;t relate.  But let me tell you it is not a fun vacation to sit by the side of the road waiting for a mechanic to tow you miles to the next little town so they can over charge you for repairs while you get to stay in the fleabag motel for a couple days waiting.  OK I guess I&#039;m going on a tangent. sorry..

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think depreciation should definitely be considered.   There is real financial impact from driving a car a lot of miles.</p>
<p>Miles are not free or unlimited.   Look at it this way:   What if Trent made this 2,500 mile trip 20 times in the next 5 years.  He&#8217;d be putting an extra 50k miles on his car.  Is a car with 50k more miles on it worth more or less than a car with 50k fewer miles?   Obviously you can&#8217;t sell a car with 75k miles for the same amount as a car with 25k miles.</p>
<p>But maybe you plan to keep the car until it dies.   If you drive it a lot more then it will die sooner.   If he paid $20k for the car and he expects it to last 200k miles then thats roughly 10c per mile.   Every mile you drive on a car will reduce its life.  There is a cost to that.</p>
<p>If you have a cheap car then the price is a lot lower.  If my dad drives his 1991 truck that he bought for $500 then the impact of depreciation from each additional mile he puts on it is so low its almost negligible.</p>
<p>But when you&#8217;re driving an old beater with a lot of miles they are prone to breaking down and thats NOT really something you want to happen on a long road trip.  If you&#8217;ve never had a car break down on a summer vacation then maybe you can&#8217;t relate.  But let me tell you it is not a fun vacation to sit by the side of the road waiting for a mechanic to tow you miles to the next little town so they can over charge you for repairs while you get to stay in the fleabag motel for a couple days waiting.  OK I guess I&#8217;m going on a tangent. sorry..</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some airfares this summer are a bargain. Trent has a large group and lots of small trips so it won&#039;t help him, but 3 of us were thinking of driving from New York to parks out West (Yellowstone, etc.) and decided flying (rt Buffalo to Denver $150/ea) was a deal. Then a rental car we bid on. Straight finances it was not the best, but the time saved and overall enjoyment should increase. My point: if you thought flying was too expensive, take another look as this year is crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some airfares this summer are a bargain. Trent has a large group and lots of small trips so it won&#8217;t help him, but 3 of us were thinking of driving from New York to parks out West (Yellowstone, etc.) and decided flying (rt Buffalo to Denver $150/ea) was a deal. Then a rental car we bid on. Straight finances it was not the best, but the time saved and overall enjoyment should increase. My point: if you thought flying was too expensive, take another look as this year is crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. The quick replacement of a rental should a breakdown occur is certainly an issue when traveling with a car load of kids. 

A post about priceline and hotwire is a nice idea. Start your research with betterbidding.com.  I absolutely swear by it. It is one of those issues where the one with the information gets the deal. It takes some time, but I enjoy it and love the savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. The quick replacement of a rental should a breakdown occur is certainly an issue when traveling with a car load of kids. </p>
<p>A post about priceline and hotwire is a nice idea. Start your research with betterbidding.com.  I absolutely swear by it. It is one of those issues where the one with the information gets the deal. It takes some time, but I enjoy it and love the savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go on the point of saying &quot;We can all be in one vehicle and enjoy the company&quot; then I&#039;m fine with this. If you say &quot;We are renting to avoid the hassle of our vehicle breaking down in the middle of nowhere&quot; then I&#039;m fine with it. But as for saving money? No. You buy a car to drive, just like you buy carpet to be walked on. If you don&#039;t use your purchase for it&#039;s intended use, then why even own it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go on the point of saying &#8220;We can all be in one vehicle and enjoy the company&#8221; then I&#8217;m fine with this. If you say &#8220;We are renting to avoid the hassle of our vehicle breaking down in the middle of nowhere&#8221; then I&#8217;m fine with it. But as for saving money? No. You buy a car to drive, just like you buy carpet to be walked on. If you don&#8217;t use your purchase for it&#8217;s intended use, then why even own it?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the Memphis Zoo when you are in the area. It&#039;s one of the best zoos I have ever been too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the Memphis Zoo when you are in the area. It&#8217;s one of the best zoos I have ever been too.</p>
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		<title>By: Helix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ comment #46: I&#039;m curious, did you do a one-way rental? As I discovered, to my great chagrin, they add all sorts of fees if not returning to the same place you picked it up.

Sounds like a fun trip, Trent! While in New Orleans, see if you can check out a Paul Sanchez concert, a great folk singer/songwriter: www.paulsanchez.com. He&#039;s a fantastic musician and a good pal. It also goes without saying to pay a visit to Cafe du Monde for some beignets and a cafe au lait. Try to make your kids laugh while they&#039;re taking a bite and watch powdered sugar go everywhere. It&#039;s fun. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ comment #46: I&#8217;m curious, did you do a one-way rental? As I discovered, to my great chagrin, they add all sorts of fees if not returning to the same place you picked it up.</p>
<p>Sounds like a fun trip, Trent! While in New Orleans, see if you can check out a Paul Sanchez concert, a great folk singer/songwriter: <a href="http://www.paulsanchez.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulsanchez.com</a>. He&#8217;s a fantastic musician and a good pal. It also goes without saying to pay a visit to Cafe du Monde for some beignets and a cafe au lait. Try to make your kids laugh while they&#8217;re taking a bite and watch powdered sugar go everywhere. It&#8217;s fun. :)</p>
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