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	<title>Comments on: Insights into Saving Psychology from The Economist</title>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-694724</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work nights with a group of young professionals.  We had savings contests and tracked our spending in spreadsheets.  Since we were each in different financial situations, any improvement month over month was a win--one person might have paid down credit card debt, another opened a savings account and contributed, someone else finally signed up for their 401k and got the company match.  It was a good way to kill long hours at work and had positive results!  Five years later I still hear comments from some of my coworkers that they still think of our contests when they save and I think it had a lasting impact on habits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work nights with a group of young professionals.  We had savings contests and tracked our spending in spreadsheets.  Since we were each in different financial situations, any improvement month over month was a win&#8211;one person might have paid down credit card debt, another opened a savings account and contributed, someone else finally signed up for their 401k and got the company match.  It was a good way to kill long hours at work and had positive results!  Five years later I still hear comments from some of my coworkers that they still think of our contests when they save and I think it had a lasting impact on habits.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-692455</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SBT, I was talking about the article, not the concept of microloans. I&#039;m quite familiar with the concept. Maybe it was the author&#039;s writing style, which was a bit muddled to this writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SBT, I was talking about the article, not the concept of microloans. I&#8217;m quite familiar with the concept. Maybe it was the author&#8217;s writing style, which was a bit muddled to this writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-690322</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We pay to keep our money secure in the US as well, in the form of taxes. Taxes pay for things like (non corrupt) police, laws, judges, court systems, etc. Maybe we don&#039;t pay 30% for just those services, but we probably get a &quot;discount&quot; because the economies of scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We pay to keep our money secure in the US as well, in the form of taxes. Taxes pay for things like (non corrupt) police, laws, judges, court systems, etc. Maybe we don&#8217;t pay 30% for just those services, but we probably get a &#8220;discount&#8221; because the economies of scale.</p>
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		<title>By: sbt</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-690313</link>
		<dc:creator>sbt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those having trouble seeing how borrowing money with a microloan could improve people&#039;s situation over saving money by giving it to a susu, think about this example.

Imagine a poor woman in Africa who wants to buy a cow. She can improve her family&#039;s health and nutrition, and she can sell milk, too. Let&#039;s say a cow costs $100. Before the microloan program, it was very difficult to achieve that goal. She would have to save nearly $200 before she could buy the cow. She has very little income, and something always comes up. Now,imagine that same woman gets a microloan. She has a cow, which is a source of cash from which to make payments. The interest rate may be high, but it&#039;s a possible interest rate. 

This is exactly why Mohammed Yundus won the Nobel prize in 2006. His program of microloans to poor people the banks turned away has changed so many lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those having trouble seeing how borrowing money with a microloan could improve people&#8217;s situation over saving money by giving it to a susu, think about this example.</p>
<p>Imagine a poor woman in Africa who wants to buy a cow. She can improve her family&#8217;s health and nutrition, and she can sell milk, too. Let&#8217;s say a cow costs $100. Before the microloan program, it was very difficult to achieve that goal. She would have to save nearly $200 before she could buy the cow. She has very little income, and something always comes up. Now,imagine that same woman gets a microloan. She has a cow, which is a source of cash from which to make payments. The interest rate may be high, but it&#8217;s a possible interest rate. </p>
<p>This is exactly why Mohammed Yundus won the Nobel prize in 2006. His program of microloans to poor people the banks turned away has changed so many lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-690295</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d think you would get a better return stuffing it into your mattress than pay someone to keep track of your money. Almost sounds like a shakedown.

Yes, Miss N&#039;Beke, I will ensure that nothing happens to your money, for 30% of it...

I know that third world countries don&#039;t have insured bank policies, but this just seems like such a waste of capital. 


I don&#039;t see how microloans tie in? Do these susu people make microloans, or is this just something else that they do in the third world? I&#039;m reminded tangentially of the Jim Carrey movie, &quot;Yes Man&quot; where he starts loaning to everyone and many of the microloans pay off well... but that&#039;s a tangent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d think you would get a better return stuffing it into your mattress than pay someone to keep track of your money. Almost sounds like a shakedown.</p>
<p>Yes, Miss N&#8217;Beke, I will ensure that nothing happens to your money, for 30% of it&#8230;</p>
<p>I know that third world countries don&#8217;t have insured bank policies, but this just seems like such a waste of capital. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how microloans tie in? Do these susu people make microloans, or is this just something else that they do in the third world? I&#8217;m reminded tangentially of the Jim Carrey movie, &#8220;Yes Man&#8221; where he starts loaning to everyone and many of the microloans pay off well&#8230; but that&#8217;s a tangent.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-690222</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as the real point of the post....  Find a good friend who is trying to save and/or pay down debt too, then start emailing progress updates back and forth.  Most people would not want to hear detailed savings goals and progress, but when two people know they are motivating each other, it works wonders.  Even just the simple act of sharing your own progress helps solidify your goals and motivation.  With my buddy&#039;s simple help, I have managed to increase my monthly savings from a few hundred dollars to $1700 per month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the real point of the post&#8230;.  Find a good friend who is trying to save and/or pay down debt too, then start emailing progress updates back and forth.  Most people would not want to hear detailed savings goals and progress, but when two people know they are motivating each other, it works wonders.  Even just the simple act of sharing your own progress helps solidify your goals and motivation.  With my buddy&#8217;s simple help, I have managed to increase my monthly savings from a few hundred dollars to $1700 per month.</p>
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		<title>By: tentaculistic</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-690084</link>
		<dc:creator>tentaculistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really love the idea of micro-lending.  It&#039;s amazing what a frugal person with an idea can do with a small amount of money.  I love that it can transform lives.

I never really understood why banks pay us to keep our money there until I took an economics class and learned that we have vast stores of pretend money zipping around our system.  That was a shock to my mental system!  I guess ever since then I&#039;ve subconsciously been waiting for the bottom to fall out of the system.  But I guess when you think about it, as other people said, they are charging you through account fees for the privelege of taking most of your money and loaning it out at high interest rates.  Still better than under your mattress :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love the idea of micro-lending.  It&#8217;s amazing what a frugal person with an idea can do with a small amount of money.  I love that it can transform lives.</p>
<p>I never really understood why banks pay us to keep our money there until I took an economics class and learned that we have vast stores of pretend money zipping around our system.  That was a shock to my mental system!  I guess ever since then I&#8217;ve subconsciously been waiting for the bottom to fall out of the system.  But I guess when you think about it, as other people said, they are charging you through account fees for the privelege of taking most of your money and loaning it out at high interest rates.  Still better than under your mattress :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-690041</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Giorgio Sironi

You are not paying to get your money back.  You are paying for the &lt;i&gt;convenience&lt;/i&gt; of getting your money back from the ATM.  If you don&#039;t want to pay the fee, then go to the friendly teller at the bank and get it there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Giorgio Sironi</p>
<p>You are not paying to get your money back.  You are paying for the <i>convenience</i> of getting your money back from the ATM.  If you don&#8217;t want to pay the fee, then go to the friendly teller at the bank and get it there.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-689279</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then they hold the cash in their savings, earning 2-3%, until they have to pay back the 0% transfer.&quot; 

2 to 3 percent interest? Where?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then they hold the cash in their savings, earning 2-3%, until they have to pay back the 0% transfer.&#8221; </p>
<p>2 to 3 percent interest? Where?</p>
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		<title>By: El Cheapo</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Cheapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think an analogous example in the US is taking a 457 or 401K loan as forced savings.  Obviously the risks are job loss and missing out on investment appreciation.  The plan sponsor makes an origination fee plus about a 1% spread over the prime lending rate.  You get to save a large lump sum initially and pay it back over many months at 5-6% APR payable to yourself.  Plus, its automatically withheld from your paycheck taking the math (and temptation to spend) out of the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think an analogous example in the US is taking a 457 or 401K loan as forced savings.  Obviously the risks are job loss and missing out on investment appreciation.  The plan sponsor makes an origination fee plus about a 1% spread over the prime lending rate.  You get to save a large lump sum initially and pay it back over many months at 5-6% APR payable to yourself.  Plus, its automatically withheld from your paycheck taking the math (and temptation to spend) out of the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/06/07/insights-into-saving-psychology-from-the-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-689033</link>
		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have not had much experience with the largest American banks like Citi and BofA if you think that paying a bank for the use of your money is strange. Interest rates - if any - below 1% and fees of $30 or more for checking and ATM overdrafts leave most Americans probably worse of than those in the third world. At least those banks are honest and upfront about their fees.

It is automatic for Americans to look down upon places like Africa. But really Americans are busy buying the hype about America, and not bothering to wonder why people in such places are very happy and stress-free. There are trade-offs everywhere you go. There is a high price to pay for living in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have not had much experience with the largest American banks like Citi and BofA if you think that paying a bank for the use of your money is strange. Interest rates &#8211; if any &#8211; below 1% and fees of $30 or more for checking and ATM overdrafts leave most Americans probably worse of than those in the third world. At least those banks are honest and upfront about their fees.</p>
<p>It is automatic for Americans to look down upon places like Africa. But really Americans are busy buying the hype about America, and not bothering to wonder why people in such places are very happy and stress-free. There are trade-offs everywhere you go. There is a high price to pay for living in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, those microloans tend to have shockingly high interest rates, too, so the deal may not be as good as it sounds after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, those microloans tend to have shockingly high interest rates, too, so the deal may not be as good as it sounds after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing done voluntarily is truly &quot;ransom&quot;.

Good article, really puts safety in perspective.  I don&#039;t think our society could function the way it does now if our choices were returns of -30% or -100%.  

-30% is a logical decision if robbery is common and police is ineffective or downright corrupt.
It&#039;s easy to forget how fortunate we are, we don&#039;t have to make these kinds of choices.

The Economist is a great news source, right-leaning, but rather centrist by American standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing done voluntarily is truly &#8220;ransom&#8221;.</p>
<p>Good article, really puts safety in perspective.  I don&#8217;t think our society could function the way it does now if our choices were returns of -30% or -100%.  </p>
<p>-30% is a logical decision if robbery is common and police is ineffective or downright corrupt.<br />
It&#8217;s easy to forget how fortunate we are, we don&#8217;t have to make these kinds of choices.</p>
<p>The Economist is a great news source, right-leaning, but rather centrist by American standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what are the guarantees that the &quot;bank&quot; won&#039;t get robbed? We are so lucky here in the West, to have so many choices...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what are the guarantees that the &#8220;bank&#8221; won&#8217;t get robbed? We are so lucky here in the West, to have so many choices&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio Sironi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giorgio Sironi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me it seems very strange to have negative interest. It&#039;s like commissions on ATMs: I pay for having back my money; this is not business, it&#039;s a ransom request...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me it seems very strange to have negative interest. It&#8217;s like commissions on ATMs: I pay for having back my money; this is not business, it&#8217;s a ransom request&#8230;</p>
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