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	<title>Comments on: Freezer and Fridge Hacks: Seven Ways to Maximize the Value of Your Refrigerator and Freezer</title>
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		<title>By: shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know pulling the frig out could help ,is that the same for contained as well as open(caged) coils?? I have a basic list right on the frig with a wipe -off marker and I make sure to put things (condiments,milk,chez,eggs,fruits,vegies,juice etc...) that are always stocked in our frig in the same spot. When kids were small I had to rearrange once a week but now everyone gets it and the frig doesn&#039;t get that open starred into look all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know pulling the frig out could help ,is that the same for contained as well as open(caged) coils?? I have a basic list right on the frig with a wipe -off marker and I make sure to put things (condiments,milk,chez,eggs,fruits,vegies,juice etc&#8230;) that are always stocked in our frig in the same spot. When kids were small I had to rearrange once a week but now everyone gets it and the frig doesn&#8217;t get that open starred into look all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Levins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Levins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building your own is the way to go but how many people have the kind of dedication or time?  I seriously doubt many people do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building your own is the way to go but how many people have the kind of dedication or time?  I seriously doubt many people do.</p>
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		<title>By: Freezer Gaskets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freezer Gaskets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Hardcore and build your own; I like that, but I&#039;ll leave it to the professionals. Thanks for these tips very easy stuff to do, but I don&#039;t think about it much. Pulling the fridge away from the walls and cleaning the coils are great tips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Hardcore and build your own; I like that, but I&#8217;ll leave it to the professionals. Thanks for these tips very easy stuff to do, but I don&#8217;t think about it much. Pulling the fridge away from the walls and cleaning the coils are great tips.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem with a small fridge is that it normally has a freezer box in the same compartment which creates major problems with temperature control, condensation (why they ice up real quick), and therefore are more expensive to run than larger split compartment fridge/freezers.

#34 I agree with the bad design from engineering point-of-view (the heat outback is totally wasted) and so some kind of heatpump would be more efficient.  Also I recently came across this &#039;simple&#039; twin fan idea http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Servers/Server-components/auction-234536403.htm that apparently can be fitted to any &#039;box&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem with a small fridge is that it normally has a freezer box in the same compartment which creates major problems with temperature control, condensation (why they ice up real quick), and therefore are more expensive to run than larger split compartment fridge/freezers.</p>
<p>#34 I agree with the bad design from engineering point-of-view (the heat outback is totally wasted) and so some kind of heatpump would be more efficient.  Also I recently came across this &#8216;simple&#8217; twin fan idea <a href="http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Servers/Server-components/auction-234536403.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Servers/Server-components/auction-234536403.htm</a> that apparently can be fitted to any &#8216;box&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Poole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Poole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite freezer/fridge hack is to defrost the appliance completely at least once each year.  I usually wait until autumn, and when the weather forecast says it&#039;s going to be below freezing all night I unload the freezer and fridge compartments into seperate laundry baskets.  The freezer goes outside, and the fridge goes into the garage where it&#039;s still really cold, but not freezing.  I unplug or turn off the appliance, and prop the doors open.  This lets any water frozen into the heat exchanger melt, and it&#039;s also an opportunity to give the machine&#039;s interior a thorough cleansing.  I like to wash with 1 tsp of sodium bicarbonate per quart of water because the leftover bicarbonate acts as an odor reducer.  Learned this cleaning up with neighbors after Katrina.  I mean, throw away a fridge because it&#039;s stinky?  Odors don&#039;t stick all that well to plastic.  Cleaning up a rotten fridge is nasty, but once you get over the first ugh it&#039;s not that hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite freezer/fridge hack is to defrost the appliance completely at least once each year.  I usually wait until autumn, and when the weather forecast says it&#8217;s going to be below freezing all night I unload the freezer and fridge compartments into seperate laundry baskets.  The freezer goes outside, and the fridge goes into the garage where it&#8217;s still really cold, but not freezing.  I unplug or turn off the appliance, and prop the doors open.  This lets any water frozen into the heat exchanger melt, and it&#8217;s also an opportunity to give the machine&#8217;s interior a thorough cleansing.  I like to wash with 1 tsp of sodium bicarbonate per quart of water because the leftover bicarbonate acts as an odor reducer.  Learned this cleaning up with neighbors after Katrina.  I mean, throw away a fridge because it&#8217;s stinky?  Odors don&#8217;t stick all that well to plastic.  Cleaning up a rotten fridge is nasty, but once you get over the first ugh it&#8217;s not that hard.</p>
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		<title>By: dsz5463</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsz5463</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silver dollar in the fridge?
from wiki-
(There are other sources, but this was easiest to locate and contained the least technical jargon)
&quot;The anti-microbial properties of silver stem from the chemical properties of its ionized form, Ag+. This ion forms strong molecular bonds with other substances used by bacteria to respire, such as molecules containing sulfur, nitrogen, and oxygen.[28] Once the Ag+ ion complexes with these molecules, they are rendered unusable by the bacteria, depriving it of necessary compounds and eventually leading to the bacteria&#039;s death.&quot;
Metallic silver is in the ground state and has no charge. Only the ions are reactive and they must be either in a liquid media or as part of a larger molecule (usually a polymer) which will make the ion available. Nano particles may react under certain condition. Silver ions will not jump off a coin and keep your food fresh. It may tarnish but that won&#039;t protect your groceries.
In case anyone had the thought, putting a coin in with the food will do more harm than good. If any silver gets dissolved by acidic foods and ingested there&#039;s a health risk as some silver salts are bioaccumulating carcinogens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silver dollar in the fridge?<br />
from wiki-<br />
(There are other sources, but this was easiest to locate and contained the least technical jargon)<br />
&#8220;The anti-microbial properties of silver stem from the chemical properties of its ionized form, Ag+. This ion forms strong molecular bonds with other substances used by bacteria to respire, such as molecules containing sulfur, nitrogen, and oxygen.[28] Once the Ag+ ion complexes with these molecules, they are rendered unusable by the bacteria, depriving it of necessary compounds and eventually leading to the bacteria&#8217;s death.&#8221;<br />
Metallic silver is in the ground state and has no charge. Only the ions are reactive and they must be either in a liquid media or as part of a larger molecule (usually a polymer) which will make the ion available. Nano particles may react under certain condition. Silver ions will not jump off a coin and keep your food fresh. It may tarnish but that won&#8217;t protect your groceries.<br />
In case anyone had the thought, putting a coin in with the food will do more harm than good. If any silver gets dissolved by acidic foods and ingested there&#8217;s a health risk as some silver salts are bioaccumulating carcinogens.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been reprinted over at MSN. The complainers are out in force, saying that this is a waste of time. I&#039;ve countered with, &quot;take care of your tools and they&#039;ll take care of you.&quot;

Better to do a little maintenance than have a major appliance fail early, which&#039;ll cost far more than a hundred bucks!

Cool idea about the &quot;chest fridge.&quot; My 5&#039;3&quot; wife might not like it, but it appeals to the tweak geek in me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been reprinted over at MSN. The complainers are out in force, saying that this is a waste of time. I&#8217;ve countered with, &#8220;take care of your tools and they&#8217;ll take care of you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Better to do a little maintenance than have a major appliance fail early, which&#8217;ll cost far more than a hundred bucks!</p>
<p>Cool idea about the &#8220;chest fridge.&#8221; My 5&#8217;3&#8243; wife might not like it, but it appeals to the tweak geek in me!</p>
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		<title>By: catastrophegirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>catastrophegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ice trays! i have cheap colored ones for food [4 for $1 at the dollar store] and white ones for ice. this keeps any lingering food flavors out of my ice.

you can use the food ones to individually freeze things like meatballs and strawberries [then bag them after they are frozen] so they don&#039;t stick together. 

i buy large containers of things i use often but i live alone. so a quart of chicken broth - i use 1 cup now, pour the rest off into an ice cube tray and when it&#039;s frozen i bag the cubes. next time i need chicken broth i get as many cubes as i need and melt them.

also tomato sauce, nacho cheese, leftover soup, little bits of leftover veggies that aren&#039;t enough for a meal, rice [seasoned or unseasoned.] when frozen into cubes, like things go together in a bag. 

by like things i mean anything that might be ingredients for chicken soup or ingredients for beef stew would go with each other: meat juice, veggies, barley, rice - when i have enough i throw the cubes in the crock pot and simmer. a little freezerburn never made a difference to me in a leftovers stew!

also, being diabetic i don&#039;t go through juice fast [too much sugar] but i need to keep it around for hypoglycemic emergencies. so i freeze it up as ice cubes and use one to flavor my seltzer or iced tea once in a while or suck on one if my blood sugar is too low. 

always seal your food or juice ice cubes up as soon as you can after they are solid to avoid freezerburn, flavor contamination or sublimation of the liquid. i forgot a tray of juice cubes once for a couple of weeks and ended up with a sticky goo in the tray because most of the water sublimated out, leaving the sugar behind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ice trays! i have cheap colored ones for food [4 for $1 at the dollar store] and white ones for ice. this keeps any lingering food flavors out of my ice.</p>
<p>you can use the food ones to individually freeze things like meatballs and strawberries [then bag them after they are frozen] so they don&#8217;t stick together. </p>
<p>i buy large containers of things i use often but i live alone. so a quart of chicken broth &#8211; i use 1 cup now, pour the rest off into an ice cube tray and when it&#8217;s frozen i bag the cubes. next time i need chicken broth i get as many cubes as i need and melt them.</p>
<p>also tomato sauce, nacho cheese, leftover soup, little bits of leftover veggies that aren&#8217;t enough for a meal, rice [seasoned or unseasoned.] when frozen into cubes, like things go together in a bag. </p>
<p>by like things i mean anything that might be ingredients for chicken soup or ingredients for beef stew would go with each other: meat juice, veggies, barley, rice &#8211; when i have enough i throw the cubes in the crock pot and simmer. a little freezerburn never made a difference to me in a leftovers stew!</p>
<p>also, being diabetic i don&#8217;t go through juice fast [too much sugar] but i need to keep it around for hypoglycemic emergencies. so i freeze it up as ice cubes and use one to flavor my seltzer or iced tea once in a while or suck on one if my blood sugar is too low. </p>
<p>always seal your food or juice ice cubes up as soon as you can after they are solid to avoid freezerburn, flavor contamination or sublimation of the liquid. i forgot a tray of juice cubes once for a couple of weeks and ended up with a sticky goo in the tray because most of the water sublimated out, leaving the sugar behind</p>
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		<title>By: David--Your finances 101</title>
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		<dc:creator>David--Your finances 101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No new tips to add for the fridge, but goodness, what a great post.  I thought I had my energy consumption down as low as it could be till I read this.

Thanks!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No new tips to add for the fridge, but goodness, what a great post.  I thought I had my energy consumption down as low as it could be till I read this.</p>
<p>Thanks!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sold my fridge yesterday, sooner than I expected. That&#039;s a hack for you :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sold my fridge yesterday, sooner than I expected. That&#8217;s a hack for you :)</p>
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		<title>By: tentaculistic</title>
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		<dc:creator>tentaculistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mighty - I really like the idea of putting silver in the fridge for its antimicrobial effects. I make jewelry so I always have extra bits of sterling wire, so I think I&#039;ll try this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mighty &#8211; I really like the idea of putting silver in the fridge for its antimicrobial effects. I make jewelry so I always have extra bits of sterling wire, so I think I&#8217;ll try this.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - excellent analysis and I agree.  I think the biggest factor is not what the freezer is filled with but that it is filled.  I often use empty cardboard boxes so that the empty space doesn&#039;t fill with hot air when I open the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; excellent analysis and I agree.  I think the biggest factor is not what the freezer is filled with but that it is filled.  I often use empty cardboard boxes so that the empty space doesn&#8217;t fill with hot air when I open the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tip:
Clean the freezer in the winter. You can put the freezer content outside. This way it doesn&#039;t melt too much and the freezer won&#039;t have to work to hard getting the content on a good temperature.
(or put it in a coolbox, when you live in a sunny place)

Another tip:
When you take bread out of the freezer, put it in the fridge. 
It will cool the rest of the fridge while defrosting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tip:<br />
Clean the freezer in the winter. You can put the freezer content outside. This way it doesn&#8217;t melt too much and the freezer won&#8217;t have to work to hard getting the content on a good temperature.<br />
(or put it in a coolbox, when you live in a sunny place)</p>
<p>Another tip:<br />
When you take bread out of the freezer, put it in the fridge.<br />
It will cool the rest of the fridge while defrosting.</p>
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		<title>By: prodgod</title>
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		<dc:creator>prodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Eeeeek, calling Lean Cuisine “healthy” makes me cringe!&quot;

Agreed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Eeeeek, calling Lean Cuisine “healthy” makes me cringe!&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed!</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey you guys,
if anyone is thinking about getting rid of their fridge (like me) I just found this very cool site!
http://ditchyourfridge.blogspot.com/

thinking radically... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey you guys,<br />
if anyone is thinking about getting rid of their fridge (like me) I just found this very cool site!<br />
<a href="http://ditchyourfridge.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://ditchyourfridge.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>thinking radically&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: tammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve really taken full advantage of my side by side refrigerator and freezer this year. My neighbors bring by all manner of veggies and I&#039;ve made all sorts of casseroles for the freezer. I don&#039;t keep very much food in the refrigerator so perhaps I should try the plastic bottles of water trick in there...

Thanks for the timely tip. It&#039;s 100 degrees here in Richmond today....conservation of any kind certainly helps the electric bill!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve really taken full advantage of my side by side refrigerator and freezer this year. My neighbors bring by all manner of veggies and I&#8217;ve made all sorts of casseroles for the freezer. I don&#8217;t keep very much food in the refrigerator so perhaps I should try the plastic bottles of water trick in there&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the timely tip. It&#8217;s 100 degrees here in Richmond today&#8230;.conservation of any kind certainly helps the electric bill!</p>
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		<title>By: Mighty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of our favorite tricks are:

1.) Keeping a silver dollar in the fridge, near the fan. Silver has antimicrobial properties. This can help extend the shelflife of food 2-3x.

2.) Use an ethylene gas-absorbing disc. Ethylene gas is released by foods as they decay, and it promotes decay. These discs absorb the gas, and they literally will make food last for weeks longer by naturally slowing down the rot. We use this brand: http://www.4theegg.com/purchase.html; it seems to be the most cost effective, and with refills, the most environmentally sensitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of our favorite tricks are:</p>
<p>1.) Keeping a silver dollar in the fridge, near the fan. Silver has antimicrobial properties. This can help extend the shelflife of food 2-3x.</p>
<p>2.) Use an ethylene gas-absorbing disc. Ethylene gas is released by foods as they decay, and it promotes decay. These discs absorb the gas, and they literally will make food last for weeks longer by naturally slowing down the rot. We use this brand: <a href="http://www.4theegg.com/purchase.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.4theegg.com/purchase.html</a>; it seems to be the most cost effective, and with refills, the most environmentally sensitive.</p>
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		<title>By: leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20-Lenore:
&quot;Most of it was Lean Cuisine or other healthy stuff&quot;

Eeeeek, calling Lean Cuisine &quot;healthy&quot; makes me cringe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20-Lenore:<br />
&#8220;Most of it was Lean Cuisine or other healthy stuff&#8221;</p>
<p>Eeeeek, calling Lean Cuisine &#8220;healthy&#8221; makes me cringe!</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>juli- what a great idea about the frozen soda bottles

i read somewhere that rinsing out bleach bottles after you use them, then filling them w/ water would store it well, and the tiny bit of residual bleach would preserve the water

i think i&#039;ll do both now- the soda bottles for drinking, and the washed out bleach ones in reserve for cleaning and bathing would make me feel better than having only the bleach bottles.

and i love your idea of putting them in the fridge when the power&#039;s out.  what a fantastic idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>juli- what a great idea about the frozen soda bottles</p>
<p>i read somewhere that rinsing out bleach bottles after you use them, then filling them w/ water would store it well, and the tiny bit of residual bleach would preserve the water</p>
<p>i think i&#8217;ll do both now- the soda bottles for drinking, and the washed out bleach ones in reserve for cleaning and bathing would make me feel better than having only the bleach bottles.</p>
<p>and i love your idea of putting them in the fridge when the power&#8217;s out.  what a fantastic idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Akerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Akerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, but I take exception to this:

&quot;A freezer, whether it’s a deep freezer or a freezer housed in the same appliance as a refrigerator, functions best when it’s really full, as the cold items help keep other items cold and maintain the low temperature.&quot;

While it&#039;s true that the relatively high average specific heat of a full freezer will keep the freezer cold longer than if it were full of air, it also takes more energy to cool down. Let&#039;s say a freezer leaks 1000 J/hr (energy lost to the surrounding air) and is 90% efficient (this is ridiculous, frankly, but the numbers are convenient). To replace the 1000 J lost, the freezer has to do 1111 J of work. The freezer kicks on at 0 °C and kicks off at -2 °C.

If the freezer is full of air, let&#039;s say it contains a kg. The specific heat of air is ~1000 J/kg*°C at 0°C, so the air inside will gain 1 degree for every 1000 J lost (1°/hour). Every two hours, it will kick on and do 2222 J of work, to bring the temperature back down to -2. The average work is 1111 J/hr.

Let&#039;s say the freezer is completely full of ice. .77 m^3 of ice is 705 kg, and the specific heat of ice is 2050 J/kg*°C. To gain two degrees takes 2,890,500 J, or 2890.5 hrs (this example is more extreme than I expected, but no matter). Once it&#039;s gained those two degrees, the freezer will kick back on. The heat capacity hasn&#039;t changed much, so it&#039;s going to have to put in the same energy that was lost, and the freezer is only 90% efficient. It will take 3,211,667 J to cool the ice back down. The average energy use is 1111 J/hr.

Ta da! The contents of the freezer don&#039;t matter much. The extra energy the freezer has to expend to cool off ice makes up for the increased cycle time. Additionally, adding room temperature water to the freezer will require additional work to cool the water to freezing and effect a state change (heat of fusion). It&#039;s just not a very good idea. The one thing you gain is a ready source of ice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, but I take exception to this:</p>
<p>&#8220;A freezer, whether it’s a deep freezer or a freezer housed in the same appliance as a refrigerator, functions best when it’s really full, as the cold items help keep other items cold and maintain the low temperature.&#8221;</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that the relatively high average specific heat of a full freezer will keep the freezer cold longer than if it were full of air, it also takes more energy to cool down. Let&#8217;s say a freezer leaks 1000 J/hr (energy lost to the surrounding air) and is 90% efficient (this is ridiculous, frankly, but the numbers are convenient). To replace the 1000 J lost, the freezer has to do 1111 J of work. The freezer kicks on at 0 °C and kicks off at -2 °C.</p>
<p>If the freezer is full of air, let&#8217;s say it contains a kg. The specific heat of air is ~1000 J/kg*°C at 0°C, so the air inside will gain 1 degree for every 1000 J lost (1°/hour). Every two hours, it will kick on and do 2222 J of work, to bring the temperature back down to -2. The average work is 1111 J/hr.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say the freezer is completely full of ice. .77 m^3 of ice is 705 kg, and the specific heat of ice is 2050 J/kg*°C. To gain two degrees takes 2,890,500 J, or 2890.5 hrs (this example is more extreme than I expected, but no matter). Once it&#8217;s gained those two degrees, the freezer will kick back on. The heat capacity hasn&#8217;t changed much, so it&#8217;s going to have to put in the same energy that was lost, and the freezer is only 90% efficient. It will take 3,211,667 J to cool the ice back down. The average energy use is 1111 J/hr.</p>
<p>Ta da! The contents of the freezer don&#8217;t matter much. The extra energy the freezer has to expend to cool off ice makes up for the increased cycle time. Additionally, adding room temperature water to the freezer will require additional work to cool the water to freezing and effect a state change (heat of fusion). It&#8217;s just not a very good idea. The one thing you gain is a ready source of ice.</p>
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