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		<title>By: Sharon L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be sure to check your thermostat and temperature gauge. Both were broken in our 2000 Elantra, and the engine overheated, but we had no way of knowing that. We had to get  a new one (engine).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be sure to check your thermostat and temperature gauge. Both were broken in our 2000 Elantra, and the engine overheated, but we had no way of knowing that. We had to get  a new one (engine).</p>
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		<title>By: Lake Forest Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lake Forest Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you extend your oil change intervals to 5,000 miles or if you use your vehicle for towing or plowing, using a synthetic oil will help protect the engine from excessive wear. This is because synthetic motor oil doesn&#039;t break down as fast as conventional oil and is more tolerant of heat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you extend your oil change intervals to 5,000 miles or if you use your vehicle for towing or plowing, using a synthetic oil will help protect the engine from excessive wear. This is because synthetic motor oil doesn&#8217;t break down as fast as conventional oil and is more tolerant of heat.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 9 yr old Acura (100k miles) that says change the oil every 7500 miles and an 07 Camry (15k miles) that says change it every 5000 miles.  

When I first bought my Acura I could go 7500 and the oil would look good (or slightly brown when ready for a change) and I wouldn&#039;t be losing any oil.  But as the car has aged, 5000 miles is a more accurate time to change the oil.  The oil gets a dirty brown and is about a half quart low.  I have no oil leaks, but if you do you&#039;ll loose more oil.

The Camry - my husband&#039;s car - still has golden oil at the 5000 mile mark.  But I encourage him to change it anyway since its usually been 9 mos. since he changed it last.

My experience has been that you should generally follow the suggested guidelines for maintenance on a car.  But as it ages you will have to adjust.  My independent mechanic has confirmed this.  I also experienced similar results on my previous car (a 16 year old Nissan) - it, too, required more frequent oil changes as it aged.  But I have never changed the oil at 3000 miles on any car I&#039;ve owned, no matter how old.

But if you are in doubt...let you car cool off and check the dipstick.  You want a nice golden color (not dirty or black) and you want it to be between the indicator lines on the dipstick which measure the level.  I&#039;m sure if you do a google search for checking your oil you&#039;ll see what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 9 yr old Acura (100k miles) that says change the oil every 7500 miles and an 07 Camry (15k miles) that says change it every 5000 miles.  </p>
<p>When I first bought my Acura I could go 7500 and the oil would look good (or slightly brown when ready for a change) and I wouldn&#8217;t be losing any oil.  But as the car has aged, 5000 miles is a more accurate time to change the oil.  The oil gets a dirty brown and is about a half quart low.  I have no oil leaks, but if you do you&#8217;ll loose more oil.</p>
<p>The Camry &#8211; my husband&#8217;s car &#8211; still has golden oil at the 5000 mile mark.  But I encourage him to change it anyway since its usually been 9 mos. since he changed it last.</p>
<p>My experience has been that you should generally follow the suggested guidelines for maintenance on a car.  But as it ages you will have to adjust.  My independent mechanic has confirmed this.  I also experienced similar results on my previous car (a 16 year old Nissan) &#8211; it, too, required more frequent oil changes as it aged.  But I have never changed the oil at 3000 miles on any car I&#8217;ve owned, no matter how old.</p>
<p>But if you are in doubt&#8230;let you car cool off and check the dipstick.  You want a nice golden color (not dirty or black) and you want it to be between the indicator lines on the dipstick which measure the level.  I&#8217;m sure if you do a google search for checking your oil you&#8217;ll see what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this day and age, you pretty much have to poor sugar into the engine to make it die.  Now on the other hand, transmissions, which really have the most breakable parts seem to be what break down long before an engine.  I would love to hear a mechanics take on this as whenever an &quot;engine dies&quot; more often then not, its the transmission, not the engine itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this day and age, you pretty much have to poor sugar into the engine to make it die.  Now on the other hand, transmissions, which really have the most breakable parts seem to be what break down long before an engine.  I would love to hear a mechanics take on this as whenever an &#8220;engine dies&#8221; more often then not, its the transmission, not the engine itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Change your filter (air, oil and gas) NOT the lubricant for even more savings.

Lubricants and Engines are sold on minimum specifications. Check for the API/SAE on the Lube you use matches your Engine recommendations. That said, these are minimum performance requirements and purchasing a &quot;top&quot; tier lubricant can extend the life of the engine and the drain interval. Ultimately the only way to know when the Lube needs changed is to test it (there are many available testing labs for under $5). Personally, I change my oil based on the lube tests and have gone as far as 20,000 miles between lube changes with 3 filter changes (all highway) to as little as 2,000 miles (wheat harvest dirt road driving) and no filter change.
I have worked in the lubricant and engine market for over 20 year</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change your filter (air, oil and gas) NOT the lubricant for even more savings.</p>
<p>Lubricants and Engines are sold on minimum specifications. Check for the API/SAE on the Lube you use matches your Engine recommendations. That said, these are minimum performance requirements and purchasing a &#8220;top&#8221; tier lubricant can extend the life of the engine and the drain interval. Ultimately the only way to know when the Lube needs changed is to test it (there are many available testing labs for under $5). Personally, I change my oil based on the lube tests and have gone as far as 20,000 miles between lube changes with 3 filter changes (all highway) to as little as 2,000 miles (wheat harvest dirt road driving) and no filter change.<br />
I have worked in the lubricant and engine market for over 20 year</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I changed my oil on my 79 Buick Electra Ltd. about every 3 months, which equated to @ 10k miles.  I drove that car for 250k miles.  It was used when I bought it and it actually had 363k miles on it at its&#039; death.

My 91 Chev Lumina manual said to change oil @7500 miles if they were highway miles or 3000 if local miles.  I did it 7500 all the time and put 250k on that one also.  When it died it had 316k miles on it.

On my present Ford Taurus Wagon, I change it @ every 3k miles because I am retired and take a major road trip twice a year.  The rest of the time I do only local driving and even just fill up my gas tank once a month.

I actually heard much better advice from an old timer mechanic.  He said we waste by far too much oil.  He said to check your oil monthly and put some from the dipstick on your fingers and see if it is still viscous (thick).  If it is thin, it is time to change it.  It has gotten too hot.  He said what we should be changing every 3k miles is the oil filter.  That keeps the oil cleaner longer and keeps waste away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I changed my oil on my 79 Buick Electra Ltd. about every 3 months, which equated to @ 10k miles.  I drove that car for 250k miles.  It was used when I bought it and it actually had 363k miles on it at its&#8217; death.</p>
<p>My 91 Chev Lumina manual said to change oil @7500 miles if they were highway miles or 3000 if local miles.  I did it 7500 all the time and put 250k on that one also.  When it died it had 316k miles on it.</p>
<p>On my present Ford Taurus Wagon, I change it @ every 3k miles because I am retired and take a major road trip twice a year.  The rest of the time I do only local driving and even just fill up my gas tank once a month.</p>
<p>I actually heard much better advice from an old timer mechanic.  He said we waste by far too much oil.  He said to check your oil monthly and put some from the dipstick on your fingers and see if it is still viscous (thick).  If it is thin, it is time to change it.  It has gotten too hot.  He said what we should be changing every 3k miles is the oil filter.  That keeps the oil cleaner longer and keeps waste away.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hardest thing with the &#039;oil change debate&#039;, is it&#039;s nearly impossible to prove either way whether more frequent oil changes actually do any good. I think this would be a great thing for someone like Consumer Reports to test. Albeit, due to the very nature of the test, it would take a very long time to start to reach any conclusions. You could have a test engine/car where the oil never gets changes, and it would still probably last a 150K+ miles. You gotta wonder.

But ultimately, oil has 3 basic functions in an engine - clean, cool, and lubricate. Even after only a couple thousand miles, the oil gets fairly dirty, so you&#039;d think that changing it early and often is a good thing. But no the flip side, the engine itself is rarely the breaking point nowadays. Tranny&#039;s and everything else are far more likely to die before the engine. All else aside, a fairly well maintained modern engine can probably go a million miles without major issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hardest thing with the &#8216;oil change debate&#8217;, is it&#8217;s nearly impossible to prove either way whether more frequent oil changes actually do any good. I think this would be a great thing for someone like Consumer Reports to test. Albeit, due to the very nature of the test, it would take a very long time to start to reach any conclusions. You could have a test engine/car where the oil never gets changes, and it would still probably last a 150K+ miles. You gotta wonder.</p>
<p>But ultimately, oil has 3 basic functions in an engine &#8211; clean, cool, and lubricate. Even after only a couple thousand miles, the oil gets fairly dirty, so you&#8217;d think that changing it early and often is a good thing. But no the flip side, the engine itself is rarely the breaking point nowadays. Tranny&#8217;s and everything else are far more likely to die before the engine. All else aside, a fairly well maintained modern engine can probably go a million miles without major issue.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spesking in a broad sense,  I would comment with two words--Consumer Reports.

I think its a must have for just about anybody, and they obviously provide you with unbiased advice on the subject of maintenance and just about everything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spesking in a broad sense,  I would comment with two words&#8211;Consumer Reports.</p>
<p>I think its a must have for just about anybody, and they obviously provide you with unbiased advice on the subject of maintenance and just about everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>part of the equation is how long you plan to keep the car.  if you plan on keeping the car less than 100k miles, the need to change the oil more often is less important (to you).  chances are with any maintenance at all, nothing bad will happen while you own the car.  
however, if you plan on keeping the car for 100k+, I would change it more often - as it will pay off for you in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>part of the equation is how long you plan to keep the car.  if you plan on keeping the car less than 100k miles, the need to change the oil more often is less important (to you).  chances are with any maintenance at all, nothing bad will happen while you own the car.<br />
however, if you plan on keeping the car for 100k+, I would change it more often &#8211; as it will pay off for you in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Little House</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for maintaining items to extend their life. The less items purchased, the less trash created! 

However, I&#039;d like to add one more thing to the &quot;don&#039;t overdue the maintenance list&quot;. Don&#039;t purchase &quot;extended warranties&quot; on electronic items. For example, extended warranties on printers are usually worthless, same goes for cell phones. 

From my personal experience, by the time the extended warranty is coming up for expiration, the item is already replaced or far beyond repair.

-Little House</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for maintaining items to extend their life. The less items purchased, the less trash created! </p>
<p>However, I&#8217;d like to add one more thing to the &#8220;don&#8217;t overdue the maintenance list&#8221;. Don&#8217;t purchase &#8220;extended warranties&#8221; on electronic items. For example, extended warranties on printers are usually worthless, same goes for cell phones. </p>
<p>From my personal experience, by the time the extended warranty is coming up for expiration, the item is already replaced or far beyond repair.</p>
<p>-Little House</p>
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		<title>By: Teri Davis Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri Davis Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I owned a limousine service for a number of years and every 5000 miles is just fine for all cars. I got 300-400K miles out of every Lincoln TC on this schedule. Synthetic oil needs to be changed about every 10-12K miles and if you are running a car on regular oil, you should switch to synthetic oil at about 100K miles.  The actual cost of synthetic is $60 but it goes just as lon as two 29-39 oil changes so there&#039;s no added cost and it&#039;s better for the car.  I run my sports car on synthetic as that&#039;s what it came with--but once you put in synthethic you can&#039;t switch back to regular oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I owned a limousine service for a number of years and every 5000 miles is just fine for all cars. I got 300-400K miles out of every Lincoln TC on this schedule. Synthetic oil needs to be changed about every 10-12K miles and if you are running a car on regular oil, you should switch to synthetic oil at about 100K miles.  The actual cost of synthetic is $60 but it goes just as lon as two 29-39 oil changes so there&#8217;s no added cost and it&#8217;s better for the car.  I run my sports car on synthetic as that&#8217;s what it came with&#8211;but once you put in synthethic you can&#8217;t switch back to regular oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m too worried about the &quot;yuck&quot; factor, my lack of mechanical know-how and my manicure (which I do for myself) to try changing my own oil.  Instead I look for coupons and bring air filters, windshield wipers, etc. from discount stores for the oil change people to install.  I know they&#039;d rather sell me theirs at 3-5 times the price, but I use my feminine prerogative to act helpless, clueless and gushingly grateful in this one situation.

About refrigerators:  if you still have a freezer that needs to be defrosted, it&#039;s time to get a new one.  Not only is it a messy, time-intensive job (esp. if whoever rented an apt. before you had dogs, and their fur is entangled in the ice), an old fridge costs way too much to operate.  Refrigerators burn more energy than any household appliance besides heating and cooling, so it&#039;s worthwhile to invest in an Energy Star model.  My power company is offering $35 and free removal for customers ready to ditch older fridges.  Cash for Coolers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m too worried about the &#8220;yuck&#8221; factor, my lack of mechanical know-how and my manicure (which I do for myself) to try changing my own oil.  Instead I look for coupons and bring air filters, windshield wipers, etc. from discount stores for the oil change people to install.  I know they&#8217;d rather sell me theirs at 3-5 times the price, but I use my feminine prerogative to act helpless, clueless and gushingly grateful in this one situation.</p>
<p>About refrigerators:  if you still have a freezer that needs to be defrosted, it&#8217;s time to get a new one.  Not only is it a messy, time-intensive job (esp. if whoever rented an apt. before you had dogs, and their fur is entangled in the ice), an old fridge costs way too much to operate.  Refrigerators burn more energy than any household appliance besides heating and cooling, so it&#8217;s worthwhile to invest in an Energy Star model.  My power company is offering $35 and free removal for customers ready to ditch older fridges.  Cash for Coolers?</p>
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		<title>By: Shevy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shevy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve always been very good about taking our 2002 PT Cruiser in for scheduled maintenance in the form of oil changes, engine &amp; transmission servicing.  Brakes, not so much (2 sets of rotors later...).  But the oil changes were a real no-brainer because they were FREE at the dealership for the first several years (included with the 100,000km warranty).  In 7 years we&#039;ve put 130,000kms on the car (a little over 80,000 miles) and we keep a file folder in the car that every car receipt goes into.

I think that, once the warranty is over, you should do as much as possible yourself or find someone really good, but that can be hard to find.  There have been so many exposes (sorry, can&#039;t get the accent on there) on auto mechanics that it leaves one feeling kind of jaded and suspicious.

I see no reason why this car shouldn&#039;t last 20 years though, with continued maintenance.  In fact, it had better do so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve always been very good about taking our 2002 PT Cruiser in for scheduled maintenance in the form of oil changes, engine &amp; transmission servicing.  Brakes, not so much (2 sets of rotors later&#8230;).  But the oil changes were a real no-brainer because they were FREE at the dealership for the first several years (included with the 100,000km warranty).  In 7 years we&#8217;ve put 130,000kms on the car (a little over 80,000 miles) and we keep a file folder in the car that every car receipt goes into.</p>
<p>I think that, once the warranty is over, you should do as much as possible yourself or find someone really good, but that can be hard to find.  There have been so many exposes (sorry, can&#8217;t get the accent on there) on auto mechanics that it leaves one feeling kind of jaded and suspicious.</p>
<p>I see no reason why this car shouldn&#8217;t last 20 years though, with continued maintenance.  In fact, it had better do so!</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take my Nissan Titan 4x4 in every 3000 miles. I only drive it about 12000 a year- but I also drive 1800 mile trips several times a year and we have at least 4 months of snow here, so I always err on the side of caution. My husband bought his GMC Sierra 4x4 truck at Cascade Chevrolet, which gives you a free oil change whenever you want it for the life of the car (one owner). Next time, I&#039;ll take that into consideration- since the nearest Nissan dealer is 75 miles away:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take my Nissan Titan 4&#215;4 in every 3000 miles. I only drive it about 12000 a year- but I also drive 1800 mile trips several times a year and we have at least 4 months of snow here, so I always err on the side of caution. My husband bought his GMC Sierra 4&#215;4 truck at Cascade Chevrolet, which gives you a free oil change whenever you want it for the life of the car (one owner). Next time, I&#8217;ll take that into consideration- since the nearest Nissan dealer is 75 miles away:)</p>
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		<title>By: Borealis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borealis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How often a car owner changes the oil has become the hallmark of taking care of a car.  

But think about it -- the effect of bad oil won&#039;t show up until 150,000 to 200,000 miles.  Most earlier problems are transmission, suspension and other non-engine valve problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How often a car owner changes the oil has become the hallmark of taking care of a car.  </p>
<p>But think about it &#8212; the effect of bad oil won&#8217;t show up until 150,000 to 200,000 miles.  Most earlier problems are transmission, suspension and other non-engine valve problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 2008 Honda Civic and it has a maintanence minder - when the meter gets down to 10-15%, that&#039;s when I go in for an oil change. It even says so in the manual. If the minder doesn&#039;t go off in a year, then change the oil yearly, it says.

I brought my car to the dealer is April 09 at 10500 miles for an oil change/filter change etc (as recommended by the manual). They put a little sticker on indicating 15500 or Sept 09 for an oil change. But my minder still says 30%, so I have a little longer to go.

The other added benefit that I didn&#039;t see anyone mention in the comments (and Trent, you didn&#039;t mention this either) is that changing the oil less frequently means less dirty oil goes down the drain. Admittedly, used oil is supposed to be recycled, but I&#039;ll bet most DIYers just dump it down the sewer (not trying to be mean, just realistic). So yay for a cleaner environment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 2008 Honda Civic and it has a maintanence minder &#8211; when the meter gets down to 10-15%, that&#8217;s when I go in for an oil change. It even says so in the manual. If the minder doesn&#8217;t go off in a year, then change the oil yearly, it says.</p>
<p>I brought my car to the dealer is April 09 at 10500 miles for an oil change/filter change etc (as recommended by the manual). They put a little sticker on indicating 15500 or Sept 09 for an oil change. But my minder still says 30%, so I have a little longer to go.</p>
<p>The other added benefit that I didn&#8217;t see anyone mention in the comments (and Trent, you didn&#8217;t mention this either) is that changing the oil less frequently means less dirty oil goes down the drain. Admittedly, used oil is supposed to be recycled, but I&#8217;ll bet most DIYers just dump it down the sewer (not trying to be mean, just realistic). So yay for a cleaner environment!</p>
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		<title>By: almost there</title>
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		<dc:creator>almost there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, in keeping with your desire to learn new skills I think you should learn to change the oil on your car yourself. Figure out how much you will save vs dealer oil changes. At 150K your car will just be broken in. I have 233K on my honda del Sol purchased at 139K.  I change the oil per manual at 7.5K. My 03 Element I change the oil at 10k per manual. With just over 110k it is just broken in. Buy oil on sale when a parts dealer has a sale on cases of oil. Buy filters and gaskets on ebay in bulk. I think you will save more than you do on homemade laundry soap. Crunch the numbers.  It will also give you a chance to look the car over and keep on top of things. I try never to pay a dealer what I can do myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, in keeping with your desire to learn new skills I think you should learn to change the oil on your car yourself. Figure out how much you will save vs dealer oil changes. At 150K your car will just be broken in. I have 233K on my honda del Sol purchased at 139K.  I change the oil per manual at 7.5K. My 03 Element I change the oil at 10k per manual. With just over 110k it is just broken in. Buy oil on sale when a parts dealer has a sale on cases of oil. Buy filters and gaskets on ebay in bulk. I think you will save more than you do on homemade laundry soap. Crunch the numbers.  It will also give you a chance to look the car over and keep on top of things. I try never to pay a dealer what I can do myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Foxie@CarsxGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foxie@CarsxGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m lucky -- My Miata reminds me every time &lt;i&gt;she&lt;/i&gt; wants her oil changed. The HLA chatter, completely harmless, on start up lets me know she&#039;d like some new oil. :) This happens roughly every 5k miles, ringing true with the owner&#039;s manual.

Now, do make sure to check your oil frequently if you wait a while... And don&#039;t trust dealers to do a good job all the time. I&#039;ve heard horrible things about oil filters falling off ---&gt; seizing engines. If you don&#039;t make sure there&#039;s enough oil, that&#039;s so much worse than changing it too often and lamenting the cost.

I also keep records showing the date of each oil change, the filter I used and the brand &amp; weight of oil used. Usually doesn&#039;t change much -- Mazda OEM filters and Mobil 1 10w30. I didn&#039;t know if I&#039;d change or not, but I&#039;m happy with my oil. (Use RedLine for everything else, but their engine oil&#039;s a bit expensive for regular use to me...)

And while I bring up other oils -- We&#039;re just talking about engine oil here and over-maintaining that. How often do people even bother with transmission and differential oil?! Now there&#039;s something I never hear a lot about... (Never mind taking it to dealers for service. Don&#039;t go there with me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m lucky &#8212; My Miata reminds me every time <i>she</i> wants her oil changed. The HLA chatter, completely harmless, on start up lets me know she&#8217;d like some new oil. :) This happens roughly every 5k miles, ringing true with the owner&#8217;s manual.</p>
<p>Now, do make sure to check your oil frequently if you wait a while&#8230; And don&#8217;t trust dealers to do a good job all the time. I&#8217;ve heard horrible things about oil filters falling off &#8212;&gt; seizing engines. If you don&#8217;t make sure there&#8217;s enough oil, that&#8217;s so much worse than changing it too often and lamenting the cost.</p>
<p>I also keep records showing the date of each oil change, the filter I used and the brand &amp; weight of oil used. Usually doesn&#8217;t change much &#8212; Mazda OEM filters and Mobil 1 10w30. I didn&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d change or not, but I&#8217;m happy with my oil. (Use RedLine for everything else, but their engine oil&#8217;s a bit expensive for regular use to me&#8230;)</p>
<p>And while I bring up other oils &#8212; We&#8217;re just talking about engine oil here and over-maintaining that. How often do people even bother with transmission and differential oil?! Now there&#8217;s something I never hear a lot about&#8230; (Never mind taking it to dealers for service. Don&#8217;t go there with me.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anybody else in the &quot;I think to change every 3000 miles but end up changing every 5000 miles camp&quot;? In the end the 3000 mile limit helps with my lack of discipline. I start thinking about it at 3000 miles and usually have it done by 5000 miles. I guess what I&#039;m saying is that because of this mentality I don&#039;t mind the scammers trying to get me to change it more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anybody else in the &#8220;I think to change every 3000 miles but end up changing every 5000 miles camp&#8221;? In the end the 3000 mile limit helps with my lack of discipline. I start thinking about it at 3000 miles and usually have it done by 5000 miles. I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that because of this mentality I don&#8217;t mind the scammers trying to get me to change it more often.</p>
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		<title>By: rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@george  Thanks!

@steve I&#039;m not hugely concerned with the engine completely failing, but somewhat concerned with small problems being denied based on my not getting proper maintenance done (like the lower control arm bushings that went bad @36000 mi in my last car, or other various issues). 

That said, I actually know of a lot of engines failing. My idiotic family has a bad habit of buying high-mileage, over-priced used cars that last a year or two and then seriously conk out. In my mom&#039;s case, that&#039;s largely to do with under-maintenance, but all the same, my parents went through at least a dozen crappy cars while I was growing up, blowing the engines in almost all of them. Which is a. why I learned to do basic maintenance on my own, and b. why I buy late-model used cars and do the scheduled maintenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@george  Thanks!</p>
<p>@steve I&#8217;m not hugely concerned with the engine completely failing, but somewhat concerned with small problems being denied based on my not getting proper maintenance done (like the lower control arm bushings that went bad @36000 mi in my last car, or other various issues). </p>
<p>That said, I actually know of a lot of engines failing. My idiotic family has a bad habit of buying high-mileage, over-priced used cars that last a year or two and then seriously conk out. In my mom&#8217;s case, that&#8217;s largely to do with under-maintenance, but all the same, my parents went through at least a dozen crappy cars while I was growing up, blowing the engines in almost all of them. Which is a. why I learned to do basic maintenance on my own, and b. why I buy late-model used cars and do the scheduled maintenance.</p>
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