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	<title>Comments on: Some Thoughts on a Cultural Shift Towards Frugality</title>
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		<title>By: KJ</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/09/29/some-thoughts-on-a-cultural-shift-towards-frugality/comment-page-1/#comment-785893</link>
		<dc:creator>KJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came here to raise precisely the point that Cheap Like Me raised regarding frugal vs cheap. I think the stigma surrounding being cheap is connected to the stigma surrounding and fear of being perceived as poor. You can be &quot;frugal&quot; because that just means you want to get the best value for your money, but if you call yourself &quot;cheap&quot; because that&#039;s one step too far. Why should it not be ok to go off the cheap deep end? I don&#039;t see Trent&#039;s trash bag example as demonstrating cheapness or frugality - I see it as a failure to look at the big picture and at best only tangentially related to attitudes about money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came here to raise precisely the point that Cheap Like Me raised regarding frugal vs cheap. I think the stigma surrounding being cheap is connected to the stigma surrounding and fear of being perceived as poor. You can be &#8220;frugal&#8221; because that just means you want to get the best value for your money, but if you call yourself &#8220;cheap&#8221; because that&#8217;s one step too far. Why should it not be ok to go off the cheap deep end? I don&#8217;t see Trent&#8217;s trash bag example as demonstrating cheapness or frugality &#8211; I see it as a failure to look at the big picture and at best only tangentially related to attitudes about money.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheap Like Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheap Like Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s so odd how many blogs launch into a debate of &quot;frugal&quot; vs. &quot;cheap.&quot; In fact, I would argue that the trend toward being more efficient with money is in fact more toward cheapness, as you define it, than toward frugality, because being frugal really takes some thought and practice, and in a panic, more people just tend to do what they can to spend less. 

Of course, I might be taking it personally since my blog is called Cheap Like Me. I suppose by your definition, it&#039;s about frugality, because my goal is to help people learn how to be cheap -- but cheap with intention, using money to live by their values and in the style they want. 

But I notice that alongside the same post where you criticize cheapness, you advertise your book ... 365 Ways to Live Cheap (not frugally)! 

Maybe we should drop the semantics and just admit that cheap sounds like more fun -- and hopefully that will be a lasting trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s so odd how many blogs launch into a debate of &#8220;frugal&#8221; vs. &#8220;cheap.&#8221; In fact, I would argue that the trend toward being more efficient with money is in fact more toward cheapness, as you define it, than toward frugality, because being frugal really takes some thought and practice, and in a panic, more people just tend to do what they can to spend less. </p>
<p>Of course, I might be taking it personally since my blog is called Cheap Like Me. I suppose by your definition, it&#8217;s about frugality, because my goal is to help people learn how to be cheap &#8212; but cheap with intention, using money to live by their values and in the style they want. </p>
<p>But I notice that alongside the same post where you criticize cheapness, you advertise your book &#8230; 365 Ways to Live Cheap (not frugally)! </p>
<p>Maybe we should drop the semantics and just admit that cheap sounds like more fun &#8212; and hopefully that will be a lasting trend.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many, though not all, of my frugal habits are informed by my need to make do on the fairly low income I have. If I had greater financial wealth or greater income, there are many things I might do, such as buy more expensive food, which just cannot be done by me if I&#039;m to meet my current financial goals which require me to maximize my savings. Certain aspects of frugality are driven by financial need, so it&#039;s natural that if the need goes away, the some frugality goes away, for better of for worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many, though not all, of my frugal habits are informed by my need to make do on the fairly low income I have. If I had greater financial wealth or greater income, there are many things I might do, such as buy more expensive food, which just cannot be done by me if I&#8217;m to meet my current financial goals which require me to maximize my savings. Certain aspects of frugality are driven by financial need, so it&#8217;s natural that if the need goes away, the some frugality goes away, for better of for worse.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as credit is not an easy option there will be frugality - at least as we know it from the pre-easy mortgage days.  But I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll ever be as frugal as the Depression-era folks.  

But the key to recent spending was access to credit.  Lots of people who have lost jobs (or fear the loss of) or who have a down portfolio are being frugal.  But once those fears go away and their portfolios are doing a little better they&#039;ll spend more again.  But those who relied on credit for spending (and it was a good number of people) will not recover so quickly.  They&#039;ll only be able to spend what they have, not what their credit card allows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as credit is not an easy option there will be frugality &#8211; at least as we know it from the pre-easy mortgage days.  But I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll ever be as frugal as the Depression-era folks.  </p>
<p>But the key to recent spending was access to credit.  Lots of people who have lost jobs (or fear the loss of) or who have a down portfolio are being frugal.  But once those fears go away and their portfolios are doing a little better they&#8217;ll spend more again.  But those who relied on credit for spending (and it was a good number of people) will not recover so quickly.  They&#8217;ll only be able to spend what they have, not what their credit card allows.</p>
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		<title>By: Larabara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larabara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an interesting article about the effects of wealth in China.

In China there has been thousands-of-years-old culture of frugality and sensible spending.  However, now that their economy is growing rapidly in the 21st century, there is a fast-growing group of consumers that spend their new wealth frivolously.  

It&#039;s still a relatively small group (well, relative to a total of over 1 billion) that is mostly concentrated in the cities, but it became evident in the rise in cars vs. bicyles in the cities, growing personal debt, the rise in popularity of high fashion and fancy restaurants, and other signs of conspicuous consumption. 

The consumerism also happened in India when their economy took off in the eighties and nineties and again, was more concentrated in the cities.

So it might not be a Western cultural phenomenon, but a real human trait to indulge onself in one&#039;s perceived luxuries, even if it means risking bankrupcy in the future.  For a lot of people, it took a drastic reduction in income to bring them back to frugal habits.  But when the money started rolling in, even after thousands of years of poverty, the frugal habits are quickly forgotten by all but a fraction of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an interesting article about the effects of wealth in China.</p>
<p>In China there has been thousands-of-years-old culture of frugality and sensible spending.  However, now that their economy is growing rapidly in the 21st century, there is a fast-growing group of consumers that spend their new wealth frivolously.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s still a relatively small group (well, relative to a total of over 1 billion) that is mostly concentrated in the cities, but it became evident in the rise in cars vs. bicyles in the cities, growing personal debt, the rise in popularity of high fashion and fancy restaurants, and other signs of conspicuous consumption. </p>
<p>The consumerism also happened in India when their economy took off in the eighties and nineties and again, was more concentrated in the cities.</p>
<p>So it might not be a Western cultural phenomenon, but a real human trait to indulge onself in one&#8217;s perceived luxuries, even if it means risking bankrupcy in the future.  For a lot of people, it took a drastic reduction in income to bring them back to frugal habits.  But when the money started rolling in, even after thousands of years of poverty, the frugal habits are quickly forgotten by all but a fraction of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well - I&#039;ve always been a frugal person.  Shopping sales, consignment sales, yard sales, etc.  However, I have never had much more than a few thousand in savings at any given time.  And this has never really stressed me too much - until now.  My husband has been laid off since Nov. and now we both realize how important that emergency fund is.  luckily we don&#039;t have credit card debt - but we would like to contribue more to our savings and have our car paid off.  i don&#039;t think that is going to change with us - even once he gets back to working and is making good money again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8211; I&#8217;ve always been a frugal person.  Shopping sales, consignment sales, yard sales, etc.  However, I have never had much more than a few thousand in savings at any given time.  And this has never really stressed me too much &#8211; until now.  My husband has been laid off since Nov. and now we both realize how important that emergency fund is.  luckily we don&#8217;t have credit card debt &#8211; but we would like to contribue more to our savings and have our car paid off.  i don&#8217;t think that is going to change with us &#8211; even once he gets back to working and is making good money again.</p>
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		<title>By: Evangeline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evangeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that as grownups,  we wise up and refuse to repeat these horrible financial mistakes of the past. If it landed us in trouble before, it will do it again unless we&#039;re much more careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that as grownups,  we wise up and refuse to repeat these horrible financial mistakes of the past. If it landed us in trouble before, it will do it again unless we&#8217;re much more careful.</p>
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		<title>By: tentaculistic</title>
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		<dc:creator>tentaculistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I both agree and disagree that it is a fad. Maybe the large bulk of our population (here I&#039;m probably being Western-centric) will go back to being frivolous with out money, but I really think there is a sizable sub-culture that is slowly adding strings from various counterculture movements, into one somewhat cohesive whole.  I am feeling currents from the Voluntary Simplicity movement, the Organic Food/Slow Food movements, the Eco/Green movement, and now the Money Conscious movement... I just can&#039;t help but see how they all tie in together.

One example: my best friend, a tried-and-true mega-consumer fast-food-eater as long as I knew her (20 years and counting), made big bucks in D.C. as a software engineer, married, sold her overpriced townhouse, bought an old suburban house in upstate NY, started some home-based businesses, and raises her 2 kids, 2 cows, and a rotating number of chickens (some lay eggs, most they eat) - all of them eating organic pesticide-free food. 

Ok, so she&#039;s a bit extreme, but the small steps she took were not, they were little ones - and Michael Pollan&#039;s books on food in the U.S. certainly fed into their decisions big-time!

I guess my feeling is that there is a genuine ground-swell within a sub-section of our nation (I can&#039;t speak beyond the U.S.) that will hold onto the frugality, not just for its own sake but because it has other healthy benefits for our bodies and environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I both agree and disagree that it is a fad. Maybe the large bulk of our population (here I&#8217;m probably being Western-centric) will go back to being frivolous with out money, but I really think there is a sizable sub-culture that is slowly adding strings from various counterculture movements, into one somewhat cohesive whole.  I am feeling currents from the Voluntary Simplicity movement, the Organic Food/Slow Food movements, the Eco/Green movement, and now the Money Conscious movement&#8230; I just can&#8217;t help but see how they all tie in together.</p>
<p>One example: my best friend, a tried-and-true mega-consumer fast-food-eater as long as I knew her (20 years and counting), made big bucks in D.C. as a software engineer, married, sold her overpriced townhouse, bought an old suburban house in upstate NY, started some home-based businesses, and raises her 2 kids, 2 cows, and a rotating number of chickens (some lay eggs, most they eat) &#8211; all of them eating organic pesticide-free food. </p>
<p>Ok, so she&#8217;s a bit extreme, but the small steps she took were not, they were little ones &#8211; and Michael Pollan&#8217;s books on food in the U.S. certainly fed into their decisions big-time!</p>
<p>I guess my feeling is that there is a genuine ground-swell within a sub-section of our nation (I can&#8217;t speak beyond the U.S.) that will hold onto the frugality, not just for its own sake but because it has other healthy benefits for our bodies and environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cultural awareness of problems like shopping addiction and hoarding has increased during this recession, so people may be asking themselves, &quot;Do I need this?&quot; more often.  Once the genie of knowledge is out of the bottle, it rarely goes back in.  (Case in point:  parents will never be as lackadaisical about who has access to their children as they were before pedophilia was widely discussed.)  Many people may resume overspending when times get better, but others are learning lessons about the psychology of money that will last a lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cultural awareness of problems like shopping addiction and hoarding has increased during this recession, so people may be asking themselves, &#8220;Do I need this?&#8221; more often.  Once the genie of knowledge is out of the bottle, it rarely goes back in.  (Case in point:  parents will never be as lackadaisical about who has access to their children as they were before pedophilia was widely discussed.)  Many people may resume overspending when times get better, but others are learning lessons about the psychology of money that will last a lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you already know, I DESPISE these people who are new to frugality and act like they invented it.  $100 bet that once the economy gets better they&#039;ll drop all their new ways and go right back to sucking the life out of the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you already know, I DESPISE these people who are new to frugality and act like they invented it.  $100 bet that once the economy gets better they&#8217;ll drop all their new ways and go right back to sucking the life out of the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always paid attention to my personal finances, even as young as 11.  And I thought that frugality was something associated with older people (like my grandmother) - something people especially did during wars and the depression.  I can&#039;t even pinpoint when I realized that frugality is how you define it, Trent.  I&#039;ve always been somewhat frugal, but I still think I waste money on some things, and that is definitely the opposite of frugal and what I want to be doing.  Waste sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always paid attention to my personal finances, even as young as 11.  And I thought that frugality was something associated with older people (like my grandmother) &#8211; something people especially did during wars and the depression.  I can&#8217;t even pinpoint when I realized that frugality is how you define it, Trent.  I&#8217;ve always been somewhat frugal, but I still think I waste money on some things, and that is definitely the opposite of frugal and what I want to be doing.  Waste sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that frugality may not last, but a lot of the actions that have in the past been (and even now are still) considered frugal may end up part of the mainstream. Not doing it would be viewed as unnecessarily extravagant.
It&#039;s all a matter of perspective. If you look at three categories - extravagant, &quot;normal&quot; and frugal - actions can change category depending on the cultural and social norm at the time, which is what defines &quot;normal&quot;.
So:
Eating every meal out or with store-bought convenience foods = extravagant
Eating out less, but lots of convenience foods = &quot;normal&quot;
Cooking at home from scratch = frugal

In an attempt to save money now, people in the normal group may be tending toward frugal, eating out less, and cooking more from scratch. As this finds its way into society, a new level of normal could be defined, so that any kind of eating out is extravagant, and cooking at home is normal. To be frugal in this category now, you would have to do some other technique, like bulk cooking to avoid running the oven as much, etc.

So I think that frugal as a buzz-word might pass, but some of the habits of frugal people might move over into the realm of normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that frugality may not last, but a lot of the actions that have in the past been (and even now are still) considered frugal may end up part of the mainstream. Not doing it would be viewed as unnecessarily extravagant.<br />
It&#8217;s all a matter of perspective. If you look at three categories &#8211; extravagant, &#8220;normal&#8221; and frugal &#8211; actions can change category depending on the cultural and social norm at the time, which is what defines &#8220;normal&#8221;.<br />
So:<br />
Eating every meal out or with store-bought convenience foods = extravagant<br />
Eating out less, but lots of convenience foods = &#8220;normal&#8221;<br />
Cooking at home from scratch = frugal</p>
<p>In an attempt to save money now, people in the normal group may be tending toward frugal, eating out less, and cooking more from scratch. As this finds its way into society, a new level of normal could be defined, so that any kind of eating out is extravagant, and cooking at home is normal. To be frugal in this category now, you would have to do some other technique, like bulk cooking to avoid running the oven as much, etc.</p>
<p>So I think that frugal as a buzz-word might pass, but some of the habits of frugal people might move over into the realm of normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa Rugosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa Rugosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one have learned a thing or two that will not evaporate with the next bull market!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one have learned a thing or two that will not evaporate with the next bull market!</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was there a New Frugality in the &#039;70s? If there was, my parents never got over it, and they raised me just about the way we&#039;re raising our son.
 
I think this trend is permanent, though the pop-culture thing will fall back some. The underlying problems in wages, benefits, and inequality aren&#039;t going to get better anytime soon - they&#039;re not new, they were just driving debt instead of frugality before the bubble crashed.

Even if people who are frugal now go back to their freespending ways, they&#039;ll have the knowledge they gained to fall back on if they need it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was there a New Frugality in the &#8217;70s? If there was, my parents never got over it, and they raised me just about the way we&#8217;re raising our son.</p>
<p>I think this trend is permanent, though the pop-culture thing will fall back some. The underlying problems in wages, benefits, and inequality aren&#8217;t going to get better anytime soon &#8211; they&#8217;re not new, they were just driving debt instead of frugality before the bubble crashed.</p>
<p>Even if people who are frugal now go back to their freespending ways, they&#8217;ll have the knowledge they gained to fall back on if they need it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frugality enjoys a come and go type of popularity.  I remember when people used to turn their nose up at The Tightwad Gazette but there were also a lot of people who took her writings to heart.  She came around in a similar kind of economic situation if I remember correctly (or maybe it was just my own economic situation). I think that real frugality comes from more than a reaction to bad economic times--mine comes from a frugal grandmother who I loved dearly. It also comes from reading books like Little House on the Prairie when I was a child (not the TV series--that family lived lavishly) when I was younger.  I always realized how much love was in their house and they had so few material possessions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frugality enjoys a come and go type of popularity.  I remember when people used to turn their nose up at The Tightwad Gazette but there were also a lot of people who took her writings to heart.  She came around in a similar kind of economic situation if I remember correctly (or maybe it was just my own economic situation). I think that real frugality comes from more than a reaction to bad economic times&#8211;mine comes from a frugal grandmother who I loved dearly. It also comes from reading books like Little House on the Prairie when I was a child (not the TV series&#8211;that family lived lavishly) when I was younger.  I always realized how much love was in their house and they had so few material possessions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wolfinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wolfinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Impossible to say when a fad is just a fad or will become reality.

I take frugality as a serious, but not all-encompassing idea.  My goal is not NOT waste money.  Not on every decision, not as a way of life, but as a worthwhile goal - when feasible.

That&#039;s my style.  Certainly not recommending it for anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impossible to say when a fad is just a fad or will become reality.</p>
<p>I take frugality as a serious, but not all-encompassing idea.  My goal is not NOT waste money.  Not on every decision, not as a way of life, but as a worthwhile goal &#8211; when feasible.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my style.  Certainly not recommending it for anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen / MoneyLounge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen / MoneyLounge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that parts of frugality are fads, but not all. Right now there is a lot of hype to get out of debt and people are starting to gain praise and encouragement for their get-out-of-debt stories. I think that this part is a fad, unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that parts of frugality are fads, but not all. Right now there is a lot of hype to get out of debt and people are starting to gain praise and encouragement for their get-out-of-debt stories. I think that this part is a fad, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think of the difference between frugality and cheapness as being perception.  The same way some view anxiety vs. excitement.  Riding a Roller coaster can be looked at as exciting and fun by one person or create a lot of fear and anxiety in another.  

Sometimes if we can just change the way we view many of the things in our world we begin to learn that it&#039;s an opportunity to learn and better ourselves rather than a burden...

-Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think of the difference between frugality and cheapness as being perception.  The same way some view anxiety vs. excitement.  Riding a Roller coaster can be looked at as exciting and fun by one person or create a lot of fear and anxiety in another.  </p>
<p>Sometimes if we can just change the way we view many of the things in our world we begin to learn that it&#8217;s an opportunity to learn and better ourselves rather than a burden&#8230;</p>
<p>-Andy</p>
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		<title>By: partgypsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>partgypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless the economic problems is sustained and induces a sea change in people&#039;s views, I also agree much of the frugal behavior will be temporary.  In general, people are not spending more money because they can&#039;t.  
In contrast part of what helped Depression-era people live that way was that it was a different culture; role models were people you knew in the community, obligation to work and discipline was an understood, and there was way different norms of about acceptabile levels of consumption, entertainment, houses, cars, etc.
  
Individually I think it&#039;s very possible for people to make these changes, but as a cohort there are too many social and other pressures pushing the other way. Hopefully people will see the disconnect between popular culture and their own lives, and make up their own mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the economic problems is sustained and induces a sea change in people&#8217;s views, I also agree much of the frugal behavior will be temporary.  In general, people are not spending more money because they can&#8217;t.<br />
In contrast part of what helped Depression-era people live that way was that it was a different culture; role models were people you knew in the community, obligation to work and discipline was an understood, and there was way different norms of about acceptabile levels of consumption, entertainment, houses, cars, etc.</p>
<p>Individually I think it&#8217;s very possible for people to make these changes, but as a cohort there are too many social and other pressures pushing the other way. Hopefully people will see the disconnect between popular culture and their own lives, and make up their own mind.</p>
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		<title>By: guinness416</title>
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		<dc:creator>guinness416</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, I&#039;m a bit more optimistic it&#039;ll last to some degree.  All of those awful pop-science books about &quot;happiness&quot; are selling a lot, there&#039;s the small-house and other similar movements, people ARE living more green despite some consdering it &quot;trendy&quot; and education fees are at an all time high in many places so maybe it will stick around.  There are gradations to frugality though, many people don&#039;t even use the word at all to describe their lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, I&#8217;m a bit more optimistic it&#8217;ll last to some degree.  All of those awful pop-science books about &#8220;happiness&#8221; are selling a lot, there&#8217;s the small-house and other similar movements, people ARE living more green despite some consdering it &#8220;trendy&#8221; and education fees are at an all time high in many places so maybe it will stick around.  There are gradations to frugality though, many people don&#8217;t even use the word at all to describe their lifestyle.</p>
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