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	<title>Comments on: Extracting the Child Who Stayed in the Nest Too Long</title>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/10/15/extracting-the-child-who-stayed-in-the-nest-too-long/#comment-793223</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m 24, have been married for three years, have a daughter who is 1 1/2, have &quot;owned&quot; my home for a year, and have been graduated from college a few weeks longer than I&#039;ve owned my home. While technically the bank will own my home for a while yet to come, I think all of this serves as an example that I could not even IMAGINE living at home at this point (and, being married with a child, really shouldn&#039;t unless things are really, really bad).

I agree with your advice. My parents have a two-month rule that says children are allowed to move back home for two months, find a job, save ALL earnings from that job, find an apartment, and leave. I moved back home for 3 weeks at 18 because of roommate drama that involved police reports and restraining orders while waiting for my new apartment to open up. Every other sibling who has invoked the rule has basically been kicked out at the end of two months, though usually fairly stable when it happened.

On the other hand, while my parents would allow me to be homeless as a result of my poor choices, they would happily take in my daughter and give her the resources she needs if things are that bad. To them, you don&#039;t punish children for having irresponsible parents. All in all, I feel this is fair... and try to be intelligent with my money that I never need to be concerned with their rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 24, have been married for three years, have a daughter who is 1 1/2, have &#8220;owned&#8221; my home for a year, and have been graduated from college a few weeks longer than I&#8217;ve owned my home. While technically the bank will own my home for a while yet to come, I think all of this serves as an example that I could not even IMAGINE living at home at this point (and, being married with a child, really shouldn&#8217;t unless things are really, really bad).</p>
<p>I agree with your advice. My parents have a two-month rule that says children are allowed to move back home for two months, find a job, save ALL earnings from that job, find an apartment, and leave. I moved back home for 3 weeks at 18 because of roommate drama that involved police reports and restraining orders while waiting for my new apartment to open up. Every other sibling who has invoked the rule has basically been kicked out at the end of two months, though usually fairly stable when it happened.</p>
<p>On the other hand, while my parents would allow me to be homeless as a result of my poor choices, they would happily take in my daughter and give her the resources she needs if things are that bad. To them, you don&#8217;t punish children for having irresponsible parents. All in all, I feel this is fair&#8230; and try to be intelligent with my money that I never need to be concerned with their rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I initially typed a post that was very self-righteous, then deleted it when I realized that what I was really feeling was jealousy not superiority.  My parents always made it clear to me that their children would move out at age 18, either for college or a job, and that they could return only as adult guests, for a maximum of one week, just like any other adult guest.  After college graduation, I had some trouble finding a job (meaning a job I wanted to do) and asked to move home for a while.  They said no.

I&#039;ve spent my entire life saying, &quot;They did me a huge favor.  I realized I had to get serious and I got a VERY entry-level job and a one-room apartment with peeling paint, and worked my way up from there.&quot;  I do think it&#039;s a little bit true that they helped push me and made me more independent.  But I also admit that I&#039;m jealous of young people who get to &quot;hang out&quot; at mom and dad&#039;s house for years and years as adults.  That jealousy makes me too self-righteous about my own struggles, which were very tough, but honestly I had no other choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I initially typed a post that was very self-righteous, then deleted it when I realized that what I was really feeling was jealousy not superiority.  My parents always made it clear to me that their children would move out at age 18, either for college or a job, and that they could return only as adult guests, for a maximum of one week, just like any other adult guest.  After college graduation, I had some trouble finding a job (meaning a job I wanted to do) and asked to move home for a while.  They said no.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent my entire life saying, &#8220;They did me a huge favor.  I realized I had to get serious and I got a VERY entry-level job and a one-room apartment with peeling paint, and worked my way up from there.&#8221;  I do think it&#8217;s a little bit true that they helped push me and made me more independent.  But I also admit that I&#8217;m jealous of young people who get to &#8220;hang out&#8221; at mom and dad&#8217;s house for years and years as adults.  That jealousy makes me too self-righteous about my own struggles, which were very tough, but honestly I had no other choice.</p>
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		<title>By: jreed</title>
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		<dc:creator>jreed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I was well on my way at 18, I agree with the previous comments about trying to work out a mutally beneficial arrangement in house versus automatically assuming that paying an outside landlord is the only solution. Why waste the money? Family members may benefit one another by pooling resources instead of paying for seperate space, daycare, cooking, cleaning, lawn service etc. Why is it &quot;groovy&quot; for neighbors to pool resources but not families?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I was well on my way at 18, I agree with the previous comments about trying to work out a mutally beneficial arrangement in house versus automatically assuming that paying an outside landlord is the only solution. Why waste the money? Family members may benefit one another by pooling resources instead of paying for seperate space, daycare, cooking, cleaning, lawn service etc. Why is it &#8220;groovy&#8221; for neighbors to pool resources but not families?</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/10/15/extracting-the-child-who-stayed-in-the-nest-too-long/#comment-791761</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s look at THIS situation: The mother said &quot;...She does give me money for groceries and for bills...&quot; so it seems the problem is that the mother objects to the way her daughter spends her money or she simply wants her house back.  In either case it seems a conversation with the daughter about her plans is the first step rather than giving ultimatums. This opens the door to mutually creating a plan that works for them both rather than setting up an adversarial situation. It would also help the daughter start to think about her future as an adult and provide her an opportunity to explore life options. Ultimatums do not help us grow or teach us how to think logically about a situation, they only present false limited options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look at THIS situation: The mother said &#8220;&#8230;She does give me money for groceries and for bills&#8230;&#8221; so it seems the problem is that the mother objects to the way her daughter spends her money or she simply wants her house back.  In either case it seems a conversation with the daughter about her plans is the first step rather than giving ultimatums. This opens the door to mutually creating a plan that works for them both rather than setting up an adversarial situation. It would also help the daughter start to think about her future as an adult and provide her an opportunity to explore life options. Ultimatums do not help us grow or teach us how to think logically about a situation, they only present false limited options.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t read all the comments but frequently this is not about the child. It&#039;s about the mother. Obviously, I don&#039;t know this mother so generally speaking..... some mothers can&#039;t say no or they&#039;re afraid of &quot;what might happen&quot; if they don&#039;t please the child Or, the mother is getting some of her own needs met by allowing the child to stay. There is nothing wrong with having a roommate situation and one way to balance things is to up the ante. Make the child pay as much as a real roommate would. Half the rent or mortgage, half the bills, buy her own food, etc. It is not mom&#039;s responsibility to worry about the child&#039;s credit rating or how much the child has in savings. Mom&#039;s responsibility is to take care of herself and ALLOW the child to endure the consequences of her own actions no matter how painful that might be for both. Mom does not need to be co-dependent or enabling. Rooming together or not the child needs to be responsible for herself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the comments but frequently this is not about the child. It&#8217;s about the mother. Obviously, I don&#8217;t know this mother so generally speaking&#8230;.. some mothers can&#8217;t say no or they&#8217;re afraid of &#8220;what might happen&#8221; if they don&#8217;t please the child Or, the mother is getting some of her own needs met by allowing the child to stay. There is nothing wrong with having a roommate situation and one way to balance things is to up the ante. Make the child pay as much as a real roommate would. Half the rent or mortgage, half the bills, buy her own food, etc. It is not mom&#8217;s responsibility to worry about the child&#8217;s credit rating or how much the child has in savings. Mom&#8217;s responsibility is to take care of herself and ALLOW the child to endure the consequences of her own actions no matter how painful that might be for both. Mom does not need to be co-dependent or enabling. Rooming together or not the child needs to be responsible for herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that simpling asking to see a bank account is (strange and) could cause other problems (not paying other bills just to see more money) and that they need a back up plan if the money isn&#039;t there/ rent isn&#039;t paid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that simpling asking to see a bank account is (strange and) could cause other problems (not paying other bills just to see more money) and that they need a back up plan if the money isn&#8217;t there/ rent isn&#8217;t paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sure agree with #31 and #48 who are from other countries.  It seems that only in the U.S. are kids and parents so anxious to have their own individual abodes.  NOT that I encourage or believe in the girl in Trent&#039;s example of just contributing a little for groceries and wasting the rest of her income.  I like Trent&#039;s suggestion, but I still don&#039;t think there is any need for the girl to have to eventually move out and live &quot;alone&quot; or with &quot;roommates&quot; until she marries or is an established career woman.

But with this economy, the girl in question may not have a job much longer anyhow, so the sooner she gets saving significant amounts of money, the better, I think!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure agree with #31 and #48 who are from other countries.  It seems that only in the U.S. are kids and parents so anxious to have their own individual abodes.  NOT that I encourage or believe in the girl in Trent&#8217;s example of just contributing a little for groceries and wasting the rest of her income.  I like Trent&#8217;s suggestion, but I still don&#8217;t think there is any need for the girl to have to eventually move out and live &#8220;alone&#8221; or with &#8220;roommates&#8221; until she marries or is an established career woman.</p>
<p>But with this economy, the girl in question may not have a job much longer anyhow, so the sooner she gets saving significant amounts of money, the better, I think!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that Margaret needs to have some conversations with her daughter, come up with a solid plan with a timeline that they both can agree to and actually &quot;teach&quot; her daughter to be an independent woman. However, I do not believe that making the &quot;child&quot; move out as a punishment for not doing what Margaret wants is a good plan.  Only a insecure/controlling parent would sit there and say &quot; do it my way and I&#039;ll let you stay, otherwise you&#039;re outta here&quot;.  That may be fine when your child is 12,  but if you want your 24 year old to act like an adult, then you have to treat her as such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Margaret needs to have some conversations with her daughter, come up with a solid plan with a timeline that they both can agree to and actually &#8220;teach&#8221; her daughter to be an independent woman. However, I do not believe that making the &#8220;child&#8221; move out as a punishment for not doing what Margaret wants is a good plan.  Only a insecure/controlling parent would sit there and say &#8221; do it my way and I&#8217;ll let you stay, otherwise you&#8217;re outta here&#8221;.  That may be fine when your child is 12,  but if you want your 24 year old to act like an adult, then you have to treat her as such.</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Patti RN.  After high school 2 of our boys just wanted to goof off.  Enroll in college then drop out.  Get jobs and quit them.  It appeared to be a game to us.  So we did what we had been planning to do after they graduated college, which was to downsize.  We did and they were shocked.  We set them up in an apt. and within 6 mos. lost it.  One of them is getting it together slowly and the other one is starting to get it.  It is very painful for parents who have taken care of their children to watch them struggle and hurt.  But it is necessary.  I read a quote somewhere when I was a new parent.  I don&#039;t know who said it but I always remembered it.  &quot;Mothers are not for leaning on, they are for making leaning unnecessary.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Patti RN.  After high school 2 of our boys just wanted to goof off.  Enroll in college then drop out.  Get jobs and quit them.  It appeared to be a game to us.  So we did what we had been planning to do after they graduated college, which was to downsize.  We did and they were shocked.  We set them up in an apt. and within 6 mos. lost it.  One of them is getting it together slowly and the other one is starting to get it.  It is very painful for parents who have taken care of their children to watch them struggle and hurt.  But it is necessary.  I read a quote somewhere when I was a new parent.  I don&#8217;t know who said it but I always remembered it.  &#8220;Mothers are not for leaning on, they are for making leaning unnecessary.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I haven&#039;t read all the comments, so please forgive repetition.)

What happens if, at the end of the first month, the daughter hasn&#039;t saved the required amount, or anything at all?  That seems to be a very possible scenario, given the fact that the daughter has already proven herself a little less than responsible.  And in that case, the mother has exactly the same problem, except that now she&#039;s given an ultimatum that requires her (2) to go back on her word or (2) to do what she&#039;s saying here she doesn&#039;t want to do:  simply put her daughter out.

Never, ever, give an ultimatum unless you know are thoroughly ready to follow through on your threat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I haven&#8217;t read all the comments, so please forgive repetition.)</p>
<p>What happens if, at the end of the first month, the daughter hasn&#8217;t saved the required amount, or anything at all?  That seems to be a very possible scenario, given the fact that the daughter has already proven herself a little less than responsible.  And in that case, the mother has exactly the same problem, except that now she&#8217;s given an ultimatum that requires her (2) to go back on her word or (2) to do what she&#8217;s saying here she doesn&#8217;t want to do:  simply put her daughter out.</p>
<p>Never, ever, give an ultimatum unless you know are thoroughly ready to follow through on your threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen / MoneyLounge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen / MoneyLounge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#8 Jonathan: I have read similar situations where parents charge rent and then return it to their live-at-home children when they move out. I think that this is a really good plan IF your kid fulfills a couple of circumstances:

1) He or She is working and makes enough money to afford the &quot;rent&quot; payments.

2) He or She is not financially responsible enough to set aside the money him/herself.

3) He or She does not appear to be motivated to move out anytime soon (or has been living with you long enough that you are pulling your hair out)

Good Luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 Jonathan: I have read similar situations where parents charge rent and then return it to their live-at-home children when they move out. I think that this is a really good plan IF your kid fulfills a couple of circumstances:</p>
<p>1) He or She is working and makes enough money to afford the &#8220;rent&#8221; payments.</p>
<p>2) He or She is not financially responsible enough to set aside the money him/herself.</p>
<p>3) He or She does not appear to be motivated to move out anytime soon (or has been living with you long enough that you are pulling your hair out)</p>
<p>Good Luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve had some interesting insights here into cultural differences. In other cultures it is entirely acceptable and praiseworthy to have several generations in one household. But there are lots of choices between keeping everyone at home indefinitely and booting them out at age 18. 

Let&#039;s not bash American culture for encouraging independence in grown children. We don&#039;t have to be ashamed of being American. We can act appropriately within our culture and teach our youngsters to become self-sufficient as they mature.

Margaret may not have taught her daughter the basics about managing money while she was growing up. She can make up for that now by having a series of conversations with her daughter about money management in general. We don&#039;t know from her question whether her daughter is even aware of what things cost or how to run a household. The immediate problem may be only a symptom rather than the disease. Before talking with her daughter, Margaret could sit back and ask herself what she would really like her daughter to know about money, and then have these conversations with the big picture in mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve had some interesting insights here into cultural differences. In other cultures it is entirely acceptable and praiseworthy to have several generations in one household. But there are lots of choices between keeping everyone at home indefinitely and booting them out at age 18. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not bash American culture for encouraging independence in grown children. We don&#8217;t have to be ashamed of being American. We can act appropriately within our culture and teach our youngsters to become self-sufficient as they mature.</p>
<p>Margaret may not have taught her daughter the basics about managing money while she was growing up. She can make up for that now by having a series of conversations with her daughter about money management in general. We don&#8217;t know from her question whether her daughter is even aware of what things cost or how to run a household. The immediate problem may be only a symptom rather than the disease. Before talking with her daughter, Margaret could sit back and ask herself what she would really like her daughter to know about money, and then have these conversations with the big picture in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: getagrip</title>
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		<dc:creator>getagrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would agree that there can be a cultural difference.  But part of that difference appears to be that where the family wants the child to stay the child is not only required to pay into the family pot, but they provide direct support to the household.  I get the feeling here that the individual throws some money at her parents, but pretty much has no other responsibilities with respect to maintaining the household.  I feel that is the difference in that the child is still living and acting essentially as a child, and if the parents are tired of it, the parents need to step up and either have them take on some real responsibilities or move out.  Is this girl cleaning the kitchen every week?  How about scrubbing down some toilets, cutting the lawn, buying her own food, cleaning the litterbox, doing the families laundry (not just hers), etc..  I&#039;ve found that parents who complain the most about the kids not leaving have kids who provide little if any house or family maintenance support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that there can be a cultural difference.  But part of that difference appears to be that where the family wants the child to stay the child is not only required to pay into the family pot, but they provide direct support to the household.  I get the feeling here that the individual throws some money at her parents, but pretty much has no other responsibilities with respect to maintaining the household.  I feel that is the difference in that the child is still living and acting essentially as a child, and if the parents are tired of it, the parents need to step up and either have them take on some real responsibilities or move out.  Is this girl cleaning the kitchen every week?  How about scrubbing down some toilets, cutting the lawn, buying her own food, cleaning the litterbox, doing the families laundry (not just hers), etc..  I&#8217;ve found that parents who complain the most about the kids not leaving have kids who provide little if any house or family maintenance support.</p>
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		<title>By: Pattie, RN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pattie, RN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that extended families can be wonderful and are a cultural norm in many places~great!  But this is NOT the situation here, so please, let&#039;s focus on THIS family&#039;s concerns, not well functioning multi-generational households where everyone has a place and a role.

And has been noted, this 26 year old is not ill, in grad school, or saving money hand over fist for her future home and/or goals.  She is being supported by her &quot;Mommy&quot; while she spends her cash on toys and clothes.  This is not the healthy behavior of an adult, and Margaret is doing her a diservice.  My fifty plus newphew is still being supported by his mother, who is retired and in poor health, without any assets to speak of.  What is he going to do when she dies and the gravy train ends???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that extended families can be wonderful and are a cultural norm in many places~great!  But this is NOT the situation here, so please, let&#8217;s focus on THIS family&#8217;s concerns, not well functioning multi-generational households where everyone has a place and a role.</p>
<p>And has been noted, this 26 year old is not ill, in grad school, or saving money hand over fist for her future home and/or goals.  She is being supported by her &#8220;Mommy&#8221; while she spends her cash on toys and clothes.  This is not the healthy behavior of an adult, and Margaret is doing her a diservice.  My fifty plus newphew is still being supported by his mother, who is retired and in poor health, without any assets to speak of.  What is he going to do when she dies and the gravy train ends???</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/10/15/extracting-the-child-who-stayed-in-the-nest-too-long/#comment-791361</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As others have already observed and I share their view on this, this is a cultural issue more than anything else. Through most of human history grandparents, parents and children lived together under one roof (or very close by) all throughout their lives. 

In most parts of the world people still live like this (it&#039;s called extended family arrangement) and I belive it&#039;s a wonderful thing. So calling someone spoiled or saying they should be kicked out because their old enough to leave &quot;the nest&quot; is really just a western cultural bias that views the nuclear family as &quot;the best&quot; and most natural development of human bonding. Unfortunately I see it as a much more pathological organizational unit than the extended family arrangements. 

But to each its own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have already observed and I share their view on this, this is a cultural issue more than anything else. Through most of human history grandparents, parents and children lived together under one roof (or very close by) all throughout their lives. </p>
<p>In most parts of the world people still live like this (it&#8217;s called extended family arrangement) and I belive it&#8217;s a wonderful thing. So calling someone spoiled or saying they should be kicked out because their old enough to leave &#8220;the nest&#8221; is really just a western cultural bias that views the nuclear family as &#8220;the best&#8221; and most natural development of human bonding. Unfortunately I see it as a much more pathological organizational unit than the extended family arrangements. </p>
<p>But to each its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also wanted to add that my sister helps out very little with cleaning and cooking.  I went over to visit my parents earlier this week since it was my father&#039;s birthday and there were a pile of dirty dishes in the sink.  It just irritates me to no end how my parents ENABLE my sister. I&#039;ve told my mother as much and she basically doesn&#039;t care.

I also (jokingly) said to my mother that since I am the ONLY child who moved out of their house, at age 26 when I got married over 10 yrs ago, and STAYED out, that I should get a monthly stipend from them since they are not paying to support me and my family as they are my sister and her three girls.

I also wanted to say that when I DID live with them after I finished college, I paid them rent.  I actually paid them MORE money per month than what they were getting from my sister, her then-husband and the first of their three girls!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also wanted to add that my sister helps out very little with cleaning and cooking.  I went over to visit my parents earlier this week since it was my father&#8217;s birthday and there were a pile of dirty dishes in the sink.  It just irritates me to no end how my parents ENABLE my sister. I&#8217;ve told my mother as much and she basically doesn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>I also (jokingly) said to my mother that since I am the ONLY child who moved out of their house, at age 26 when I got married over 10 yrs ago, and STAYED out, that I should get a monthly stipend from them since they are not paying to support me and my family as they are my sister and her three girls.</p>
<p>I also wanted to say that when I DID live with them after I finished college, I paid them rent.  I actually paid them MORE money per month than what they were getting from my sister, her then-husband and the first of their three girls!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sounds like my sister too.  She and her three kids moved BACK in with my parents over three years ago after her husband left her. They lived with my parents for 5 years after they married before they moved into their own house where they lived for 3 yrs before the separation and divorce.  Her house, which was in his name only, ended up being foreclosed upon..couldn&#039;t pay utilities and he ended up filing bankruptcy. He moved back in with HIS mom too.

My sister works two part time jobs but has no health insurance.  Her girls are on CHIPS and the youngest receives a medical assistance card. Last year, she didn&#039;t work at ALL and collected unemployment until it ran out and she HAD to get a job. 

She does NOT pay my parents rent money.  She doesn&#039;t help out with the utilities or taxes.  She sometimes chips in for groceries so basically they are still supporting her and her three kids!! My parents who are 68 and 59 are still raising children...their grandchildren.  

My sister has made NO attempt to get her own house..she could qualify for low income housing I&#039;m sure. She has no motivation to do so because my parents have made it so easy for her to stay.  She spends her money on lingerie from Victorias Secret, jeans from 7 for all Mankind. High end clothing lines.

Oh and did I mention that my sister is the baby of the family?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like my sister too.  She and her three kids moved BACK in with my parents over three years ago after her husband left her. They lived with my parents for 5 years after they married before they moved into their own house where they lived for 3 yrs before the separation and divorce.  Her house, which was in his name only, ended up being foreclosed upon..couldn&#8217;t pay utilities and he ended up filing bankruptcy. He moved back in with HIS mom too.</p>
<p>My sister works two part time jobs but has no health insurance.  Her girls are on CHIPS and the youngest receives a medical assistance card. Last year, she didn&#8217;t work at ALL and collected unemployment until it ran out and she HAD to get a job. </p>
<p>She does NOT pay my parents rent money.  She doesn&#8217;t help out with the utilities or taxes.  She sometimes chips in for groceries so basically they are still supporting her and her three kids!! My parents who are 68 and 59 are still raising children&#8230;their grandchildren.  </p>
<p>My sister has made NO attempt to get her own house..she could qualify for low income housing I&#8217;m sure. She has no motivation to do so because my parents have made it so easy for her to stay.  She spends her money on lingerie from Victorias Secret, jeans from 7 for all Mankind. High end clothing lines.</p>
<p>Oh and did I mention that my sister is the baby of the family?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cruz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Cruz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With Filipinos its almost the opposite. In the Philippines its common to have 3 generations in one house. When I decided to move out they actually didn&#039;t approve, but I had already signed a lease when I told them so there was no point in arguing. But I wanted to move out so bad because I was in my 20&#039;s and being treated like a kid. My mom would constantly call when I&#039;m out, they&#039;d also stay up sometimes until I got home, and I couldn&#039;t just relax with my girlfriend there. I never had to worry about food or bills and had all my paychecks for whatever I wanted but it didn&#039;t make up for the freedom of living on my own. A few of my friends in their mid-late 20&#039;s still live with their parents and have all kinds of gadgets, nice clothes, and toys but it&#039;s kind of pathetic when they have to stuff it all in their room. They have a sweet flat screen and surround sound system with ps3 but have to watch it on their bed. I suggest treating your children like kids if they are still under your roof. Dont treat them like adults just because they are technically adults by age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Filipinos its almost the opposite. In the Philippines its common to have 3 generations in one house. When I decided to move out they actually didn&#8217;t approve, but I had already signed a lease when I told them so there was no point in arguing. But I wanted to move out so bad because I was in my 20&#8242;s and being treated like a kid. My mom would constantly call when I&#8217;m out, they&#8217;d also stay up sometimes until I got home, and I couldn&#8217;t just relax with my girlfriend there. I never had to worry about food or bills and had all my paychecks for whatever I wanted but it didn&#8217;t make up for the freedom of living on my own. A few of my friends in their mid-late 20&#8242;s still live with their parents and have all kinds of gadgets, nice clothes, and toys but it&#8217;s kind of pathetic when they have to stuff it all in their room. They have a sweet flat screen and surround sound system with ps3 but have to watch it on their bed. I suggest treating your children like kids if they are still under your roof. Dont treat them like adults just because they are technically adults by age.</p>
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		<title>By: katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In other cultures, it&#039;s entirely normal for adult children to live with their parents. I like my mother, and quite frankly, don&#039;t see why I should move out when she tolerates me and I help her with things. I understand other people feel differently, but I don&#039;t feel compelled to move out because some of my friends have their own places. That&#039;s their own choice. I don&#039;t berate them for wasting 25-30% of their income on quite frankly, subpar housing. Obviously this mom has had it, so I understand Trent&#039;s response, but some of the comments made me cringe. Not all of hate our parents...nor are all of us who can get along with and live with our parents spoiled brats. Seriously.

The US is so strange in that we think all adults (or perhaps family units, for married couples) should have their own households. It&#039;s not a particularly frugal or environmentally friendly attitude. I&#039;d rather live with my family than share a house with other people my age.

Finally, $500 a month might be a lot to ask a 24 year old (i.e. young, lower level worker) to save per month, especially if she is contributing to household expenses already. But again, that depends on the particulars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other cultures, it&#8217;s entirely normal for adult children to live with their parents. I like my mother, and quite frankly, don&#8217;t see why I should move out when she tolerates me and I help her with things. I understand other people feel differently, but I don&#8217;t feel compelled to move out because some of my friends have their own places. That&#8217;s their own choice. I don&#8217;t berate them for wasting 25-30% of their income on quite frankly, subpar housing. Obviously this mom has had it, so I understand Trent&#8217;s response, but some of the comments made me cringe. Not all of hate our parents&#8230;nor are all of us who can get along with and live with our parents spoiled brats. Seriously.</p>
<p>The US is so strange in that we think all adults (or perhaps family units, for married couples) should have their own households. It&#8217;s not a particularly frugal or environmentally friendly attitude. I&#8217;d rather live with my family than share a house with other people my age.</p>
<p>Finally, $500 a month might be a lot to ask a 24 year old (i.e. young, lower level worker) to save per month, especially if she is contributing to household expenses already. But again, that depends on the particulars.</p>
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		<title>By: Battra92</title>
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		<dc:creator>Battra92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really dislike the people who have the mentality of &quot;my kid is 18 they can get the Hell out of my life now&quot; that many parents have these days. I&#039;m not saying this is Margaret&#039;s position but I have heard work colleagues say this, until they learn I am 27 and living at home. 

My situation is a bit different in that it&#039;s one of those mutually beneficial situations. Housing where I live is routinely bad. I searched for apartments for months at a time before realizing that I could either pay $800+ a month to live in a tiny place that smelled like cat pee or I could pay rent to my parents to live in my childhood home. I chose the latter, of course. Some say that I&#039;m spoiled or not living in the real world.

I am planning on moving out at some point next year. Although there is a big reason for that (that is, if she says yes. ;-) )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really dislike the people who have the mentality of &#8220;my kid is 18 they can get the Hell out of my life now&#8221; that many parents have these days. I&#8217;m not saying this is Margaret&#8217;s position but I have heard work colleagues say this, until they learn I am 27 and living at home. </p>
<p>My situation is a bit different in that it&#8217;s one of those mutually beneficial situations. Housing where I live is routinely bad. I searched for apartments for months at a time before realizing that I could either pay $800+ a month to live in a tiny place that smelled like cat pee or I could pay rent to my parents to live in my childhood home. I chose the latter, of course. Some say that I&#8217;m spoiled or not living in the real world.</p>
<p>I am planning on moving out at some point next year. Although there is a big reason for that (that is, if she says yes. ;-) )</p>
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