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	<title>Comments on: Ethical Frugality Week: Hidden Replacements</title>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At my house I am the &quot;shampoo fairy.&quot;  The shampoo just magically appears since my husband makes no effort to buy it.  If the husband is not willing to buy his own shampoo, then I think the wife should do whatever she feels is best.

But if I were her, I would tell him.  Maybe he won&#039;t care once he realizes he couldn&#039;t tell the different between the cheaper stuff and the more expensive stuff.  And if he does care, he should buy his own shampoo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my house I am the &#8220;shampoo fairy.&#8221;  The shampoo just magically appears since my husband makes no effort to buy it.  If the husband is not willing to buy his own shampoo, then I think the wife should do whatever she feels is best.</p>
<p>But if I were her, I would tell him.  Maybe he won&#8217;t care once he realizes he couldn&#8217;t tell the different between the cheaper stuff and the more expensive stuff.  And if he does care, he should buy his own shampoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s good to go on this one; only tell him if you feel like it, Sistah.  Otherwise, it&#039;s just a funny thing to chuckle about...all the way to the bank!

Meanwhile, I bet he doesn&#039;t like Aveda enough to go out and buy it himself.  If she is left with the task of going out and gathering everything (clothes, socks, food, toiletries), then it&#039;s up to her what goes in the cart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s good to go on this one; only tell him if you feel like it, Sistah.  Otherwise, it&#8217;s just a funny thing to chuckle about&#8230;all the way to the bank!</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I bet he doesn&#8217;t like Aveda enough to go out and buy it himself.  If she is left with the task of going out and gathering everything (clothes, socks, food, toiletries), then it&#8217;s up to her what goes in the cart.</p>
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		<title>By: tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that food/nutrition substitutes (i.e. ground turkey instead of ground beef) are different than personal care items.  I think that Jane should man up and discuss the trial run with her husband.  I like to think that if my significant other tried this trick, a) I would notice immediately and b) he would inform me after a week or two and we could discuss it.

Personal care is personal for a reason.  I would rather cut out one dining out experience per month to be able to afford good quality natural skin care products. Most importantly, my partner knows where I stand on this issue- whether or not he agrees.  Communication is key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that food/nutrition substitutes (i.e. ground turkey instead of ground beef) are different than personal care items.  I think that Jane should man up and discuss the trial run with her husband.  I like to think that if my significant other tried this trick, a) I would notice immediately and b) he would inform me after a week or two and we could discuss it.</p>
<p>Personal care is personal for a reason.  I would rather cut out one dining out experience per month to be able to afford good quality natural skin care products. Most importantly, my partner knows where I stand on this issue- whether or not he agrees.  Communication is key.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one that thinks this is really funny??? 
I do similar things to my husband all the time at dinner; he&#039;s a very picky/unhealthy eater so I have to fine clever ways of disguising nutritious food so he&#039;ll eat it. 
Honestly, no one&#039;s getting hurt here, and the intentions are honest- saving money. What he doesn&#039;t know won&#039;t hurt him; I say keep filling up that expensive bottle with Pert! I&#039;d get a good laugh out of it every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one that thinks this is really funny???<br />
I do similar things to my husband all the time at dinner; he&#8217;s a very picky/unhealthy eater so I have to fine clever ways of disguising nutritious food so he&#8217;ll eat it.<br />
Honestly, no one&#8217;s getting hurt here, and the intentions are honest- saving money. What he doesn&#8217;t know won&#8217;t hurt him; I say keep filling up that expensive bottle with Pert! I&#8217;d get a good laugh out of it every time.</p>
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		<title>By: partgypsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>partgypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny I recently did the brand switch on myself.  Ran out of my $10 bottle of shampoo (darn those salon stylists!) so got some $1.25 shampoo to replace it.  My scalp literally broke out.  Went back to the expensive stuff.  But really, shampoo lasts a long time.  The previous time I got a megabottle each of the expensive shampoo and conditioner for $18 and it lasted over a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny I recently did the brand switch on myself.  Ran out of my $10 bottle of shampoo (darn those salon stylists!) so got some $1.25 shampoo to replace it.  My scalp literally broke out.  Went back to the expensive stuff.  But really, shampoo lasts a long time.  The previous time I got a megabottle each of the expensive shampoo and conditioner for $18 and it lasted over a year.</p>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to go ahead and plant myself firmly in the &quot;NO, Jane does NOT need to fess up&quot; camp.

This depends largely on the disposition and personality of Jane&#039;s husband.  If he is truly too irrational to give Suave a legitimate chance, based on brand snobbery alone, then his reaction to the confession would go something like this:

&quot;Man, I KNEW there was something wrong with that shampoo.  I couldn&#039;t quite figure out why my hair hasn&#039;t been looking right, these past few months.  No wonder!&quot;

In other words, he can docilely use the Suave ad infinitum, but as soon as he finds out, then she ALL OF A SUDDEN can magically tell the difference, and &quot;he knew it all along&quot;.

In other words, it is possible that the discovery will retroactively color his perception of the Suave, and he will not admit (and possibly not even believe) that its results were similar or &quot;good enough&quot; to live with, for 10% of the cost of the Aveda.

Sometimes people are too brand-stubborn to be rational about decisions like this.  At some point, the buck must stop with whomever is responsible for the family meeting its budget.

In a good partnership, this would never be an issue, because both would listen to the other and after open discussion, they would both arrive at the SAME value judgement as to whether Aveda is worth the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to go ahead and plant myself firmly in the &#8220;NO, Jane does NOT need to fess up&#8221; camp.</p>
<p>This depends largely on the disposition and personality of Jane&#8217;s husband.  If he is truly too irrational to give Suave a legitimate chance, based on brand snobbery alone, then his reaction to the confession would go something like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Man, I KNEW there was something wrong with that shampoo.  I couldn&#8217;t quite figure out why my hair hasn&#8217;t been looking right, these past few months.  No wonder!&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, he can docilely use the Suave ad infinitum, but as soon as he finds out, then she ALL OF A SUDDEN can magically tell the difference, and &#8220;he knew it all along&#8221;.</p>
<p>In other words, it is possible that the discovery will retroactively color his perception of the Suave, and he will not admit (and possibly not even believe) that its results were similar or &#8220;good enough&#8221; to live with, for 10% of the cost of the Aveda.</p>
<p>Sometimes people are too brand-stubborn to be rational about decisions like this.  At some point, the buck must stop with whomever is responsible for the family meeting its budget.</p>
<p>In a good partnership, this would never be an issue, because both would listen to the other and after open discussion, they would both arrive at the SAME value judgement as to whether Aveda is worth the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the substitute when possible and heck with the follow-up.  I did this often.  My husband and I never had qualms about it.  I would never substitute food he might be allergic to, though.  My husband said he hated cream cheese and I did not use it in cooking for years.  But one time I made a dish of drained canned corn and cream cheese in the crock pot for a snack.  He ate it by the ton.  I never told him there was cream cheese in it.  If he hated it so much, he should have known the difference.

I agree with Susan - who buys decides what is done.  My husband also hated cottage cheese, but I bought it anyway because I loved it.  But he got to make up his own mind and not eat it.

My mother taught us early.  One day she told us she had put 1 oz of caster oil in the 1# bag of navy beans she cooked.  We really raised the roof.  She said &quot;I&#039;ve done it for the past 5 times I&#039;ve cooked beans and you didn&#039;t notice, so you get no choice now.&quot;  She had learned this from a man who owned a restaurant and said no one would buy beans or bean soup at lunch unless they trusted it would cause no problems at work. Since you usually cook beans with fatty meat (ham hocks, fat back bacon, etc., there would be way to notice the taste.  I used it for all the years my family was at home.

Guess I should not have endured 44 years of a wonderful marriage, according to most of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the substitute when possible and heck with the follow-up.  I did this often.  My husband and I never had qualms about it.  I would never substitute food he might be allergic to, though.  My husband said he hated cream cheese and I did not use it in cooking for years.  But one time I made a dish of drained canned corn and cream cheese in the crock pot for a snack.  He ate it by the ton.  I never told him there was cream cheese in it.  If he hated it so much, he should have known the difference.</p>
<p>I agree with Susan &#8211; who buys decides what is done.  My husband also hated cottage cheese, but I bought it anyway because I loved it.  But he got to make up his own mind and not eat it.</p>
<p>My mother taught us early.  One day she told us she had put 1 oz of caster oil in the 1# bag of navy beans she cooked.  We really raised the roof.  She said &#8220;I&#8217;ve done it for the past 5 times I&#8217;ve cooked beans and you didn&#8217;t notice, so you get no choice now.&#8221;  She had learned this from a man who owned a restaurant and said no one would buy beans or bean soup at lunch unless they trusted it would cause no problems at work. Since you usually cook beans with fatty meat (ham hocks, fat back bacon, etc., there would be way to notice the taste.  I used it for all the years my family was at home.</p>
<p>Guess I should not have endured 44 years of a wonderful marriage, according to most of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent always talks about spending according to his values on this blog.  If &quot;Jane&#039;s&quot; husband values nice hair and he feels the extra expense is worth it, why should he forgo that expense?  (I&#039;m assuming they have cushion in the budget for it of course.)  Just because Jane thinks it is silly and needless doesn&#039;t mean it is.  I bet she spends money on something her husband thinks is needless, but realizes it is important to her.

I think Jane needs to be honest with him, if he&#039;s not a stuck up loser he&#039;ll laugh it off and go buy a new bottle of shampoo or keep using the cheap stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent always talks about spending according to his values on this blog.  If &#8220;Jane&#8217;s&#8221; husband values nice hair and he feels the extra expense is worth it, why should he forgo that expense?  (I&#8217;m assuming they have cushion in the budget for it of course.)  Just because Jane thinks it is silly and needless doesn&#8217;t mean it is.  I bet she spends money on something her husband thinks is needless, but realizes it is important to her.</p>
<p>I think Jane needs to be honest with him, if he&#8217;s not a stuck up loser he&#8217;ll laugh it off and go buy a new bottle of shampoo or keep using the cheap stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rachel.  It seems so very deceptive - and $156 over the entire year is great - but c&#039;mon - are you going to go through that effort the entire year through?  Life is short.  If he likes the Aveda (even if it&#039;s the same ingredients, etc.) - then he can have the aveda.  The guy isn&#039;t in a bar or casino blowing the cash for the baby&#039;s milk.....as far as we know.

 The thing I dislike about all the frugal talk is it sounds so....boring.  There are beautiful things in life to be enjoyed. Yes, pick and choose.  But you don&#039;t get a medal at the end if you used all natural dirt to shampoo your hair.....just sayin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rachel.  It seems so very deceptive &#8211; and $156 over the entire year is great &#8211; but c&#8217;mon &#8211; are you going to go through that effort the entire year through?  Life is short.  If he likes the Aveda (even if it&#8217;s the same ingredients, etc.) &#8211; then he can have the aveda.  The guy isn&#8217;t in a bar or casino blowing the cash for the baby&#8217;s milk&#8230;..as far as we know.</p>
<p> The thing I dislike about all the frugal talk is it sounds so&#8230;.boring.  There are beautiful things in life to be enjoyed. Yes, pick and choose.  But you don&#8217;t get a medal at the end if you used all natural dirt to shampoo your hair&#8230;..just sayin</p>
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		<title>By: KED</title>
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		<dc:creator>KED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I routinely try new products or food substitutions in an effort to trim our budget or our waistlines :-) No surprise to others ....I don&#039;t preface a meal with hey guys I substituted ground turkey instead of ground beef in your sloppy joe&#039;s this evening. Or I put shredded zuchinni in your spaghetti sauce tonight???? So come on people, it&#039;s  only shampoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I routinely try new products or food substitutions in an effort to trim our budget or our waistlines :-) No surprise to others &#8230;.I don&#8217;t preface a meal with hey guys I substituted ground turkey instead of ground beef in your sloppy joe&#8217;s this evening. Or I put shredded zuchinni in your spaghetti sauce tonight???? So come on people, it&#8217;s  only shampoo.</p>
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		<title>By: rhymeswithlibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhymeswithlibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she feels that confessing would put a strain on her relationship, but would feel guilty about continuing to make the switch, maybe she could suggest doing the experiment openly instead of secretly.  

&quot;Honey, I know you feel that the Aveda looks better on you, but I still feel that my brand is just as good.  So would you be willing to try something out with me?  I&#039;ll put some of your shampoo in one jar and some of mine in another, and not tell you which is which. You use one of them for a week, then the other the next week, and if you can guess which one was the Aveda, we&#039;ll keep buying it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she feels that confessing would put a strain on her relationship, but would feel guilty about continuing to make the switch, maybe she could suggest doing the experiment openly instead of secretly.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Honey, I know you feel that the Aveda looks better on you, but I still feel that my brand is just as good.  So would you be willing to try something out with me?  I&#8217;ll put some of your shampoo in one jar and some of mine in another, and not tell you which is which. You use one of them for a week, then the other the next week, and if you can guess which one was the Aveda, we&#8217;ll keep buying it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: guinness416</title>
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		<dc:creator>guinness416</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like a lot of people treat their spouses like children, unable to decide for themselves what to eat/consume/buy.  Would be pretty unacceptable in my marriage, but different horses I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a lot of people treat their spouses like children, unable to decide for themselves what to eat/consume/buy.  Would be pretty unacceptable in my marriage, but different horses I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, she should tell him.  Preferably asking how he&#039;s liked his hair care products of late.

As for the ingredients, yep, they were the same for the big price name brand as for Suave.  I say this as someone who was once a chemist in the cosmetic industry.  For all those people who say &quot;I just need my $50 per bottle shampoo&quot; I say &quot;You&#039;re making a starving chemist very happy.&quot;  Guess what&#039;s in Bath and Body Works &quot;Aromatherapy Sugar Scrubs&quot; - fragrance, mineral oil (you can find it in the pharmacy section of your grocery store), turbinado sugar (you can find it next to the sugar in your grocery store).  They charge $16 for 13 oz.  

As for lead in lipstick (CB #14): No, lead is not used as an ingredient.  Can it potentially be in some of the components of lipstick?  Yes.  That&#039;s why the FDA has limits on things like that.  There&#039;s not enough lead to harm you, even if you ate an entire case of lipstick. (FD&amp;C Red#6 has a limit of 20 parts per million of lead, I think.)

FYI, there&#039;s also likely lead in your drinking water, but the concentration is below the Limit of Detection, meaning there&#039;s not a reproducible result that can be generated, and the instrumentation isn&#039;t sensitive enough to give a reliable result.  (For example, one run might say there&#039;s 20 parts per trillion, while a duplicate run might say there&#039;s 1 part per trillion.  At some point, the signal is indistinguishable from instrument noise.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, she should tell him.  Preferably asking how he&#8217;s liked his hair care products of late.</p>
<p>As for the ingredients, yep, they were the same for the big price name brand as for Suave.  I say this as someone who was once a chemist in the cosmetic industry.  For all those people who say &#8220;I just need my $50 per bottle shampoo&#8221; I say &#8220;You&#8217;re making a starving chemist very happy.&#8221;  Guess what&#8217;s in Bath and Body Works &#8220;Aromatherapy Sugar Scrubs&#8221; &#8211; fragrance, mineral oil (you can find it in the pharmacy section of your grocery store), turbinado sugar (you can find it next to the sugar in your grocery store).  They charge $16 for 13 oz.  </p>
<p>As for lead in lipstick (CB #14): No, lead is not used as an ingredient.  Can it potentially be in some of the components of lipstick?  Yes.  That&#8217;s why the FDA has limits on things like that.  There&#8217;s not enough lead to harm you, even if you ate an entire case of lipstick. (FD&amp;C Red#6 has a limit of 20 parts per million of lead, I think.)</p>
<p>FYI, there&#8217;s also likely lead in your drinking water, but the concentration is below the Limit of Detection, meaning there&#8217;s not a reproducible result that can be generated, and the instrumentation isn&#8217;t sensitive enough to give a reliable result.  (For example, one run might say there&#8217;s 20 parts per trillion, while a duplicate run might say there&#8217;s 1 part per trillion.  At some point, the signal is indistinguishable from instrument noise.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in Jane&#039;s defense, I do this whenever I can. A few months ago I started mixing powdered milk with the milk in the gallon jug, extending it so I did not have to shell out about $3 for another gallon. My husband mentioned once that the milk seemed watery. i agreed that it did. He only puts it over cereal, and our 16 yr. old puts it on cereal and drinks it by the glass. But I look at it this way. If I buy one less gallon every week, saving $3 each week, I have saved $156 in a year. The cost of the powedered milk is pennies per batch. If Janes husband has to have hair that looks good for work, he sounds a little self involved. What else does he insist on? Saturday golf dates, custom made suits. And like someone else said, is Jane struggling to buy milk for the kids, while the money goes for Aveda shampoo? I always say that there is a cheaper way to reach the same results, and I have found that 99% of the time, this is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in Jane&#8217;s defense, I do this whenever I can. A few months ago I started mixing powdered milk with the milk in the gallon jug, extending it so I did not have to shell out about $3 for another gallon. My husband mentioned once that the milk seemed watery. i agreed that it did. He only puts it over cereal, and our 16 yr. old puts it on cereal and drinks it by the glass. But I look at it this way. If I buy one less gallon every week, saving $3 each week, I have saved $156 in a year. The cost of the powedered milk is pennies per batch. If Janes husband has to have hair that looks good for work, he sounds a little self involved. What else does he insist on? Saturday golf dates, custom made suits. And like someone else said, is Jane struggling to buy milk for the kids, while the money goes for Aveda shampoo? I always say that there is a cheaper way to reach the same results, and I have found that 99% of the time, this is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jane should buy her husband the shampoo he wants, fill his bottle back up with it and forget the whole thing happened.  If they discussed it beforehand and he won´t switch then obviously he wants Aveda and has his reasons whether she agrees or not.  Money isn´t the most important thing in life and so what if he overspends a little on something he wants.....Jane probably does too and if she doesn´t she should.  As long as major money goals are met, don´t squabble over the small stuff...its what gives frugality a bad name.   and BTW shame on Jane for the deception. hopefully the angst over whether to tell or not has made her learn a lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jane should buy her husband the shampoo he wants, fill his bottle back up with it and forget the whole thing happened.  If they discussed it beforehand and he won´t switch then obviously he wants Aveda and has his reasons whether she agrees or not.  Money isn´t the most important thing in life and so what if he overspends a little on something he wants&#8230;..Jane probably does too and if she doesn´t she should.  As long as major money goals are met, don´t squabble over the small stuff&#8230;its what gives frugality a bad name.   and BTW shame on Jane for the deception. hopefully the angst over whether to tell or not has made her learn a lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember the old Palmolive commercial where the manicurist says, &quot;You&#039;re soaking in it.&quot;  

After reading all the comments, I admit that now I wish the lady would said, &quot;Madge, you b----!  See if I ever come back to this dump!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember the old Palmolive commercial where the manicurist says, &#8220;You&#8217;re soaking in it.&#8221;  </p>
<p>After reading all the comments, I admit that now I wish the lady would said, &#8220;Madge, you b&#8212;-!  See if I ever come back to this dump!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dsz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#69 Lou &#039;I remember it. I resent it. She’s a loveing sweet person, but it was a long time before I trusted her again. It’s not an exact parallel, of course. What I hated about it, then and now, was not so much the dishonesty – it was the GOTCHA.&#039;
I&#039;m with you (and Amber) especially since you both were trying to spare a loved one&#039;s feelings and they used it against you. 
This sort of stunt is dirty pool. It&#039;s not that it&#039;s *just* shampoo (it is just shampoo), it&#039;s the deception and the nyah-nyah on top of the deception. He may be a closed-minded person unwilling to change but I&#039;ll take that over sneaky any day. What else is she doing behind his back &#039;for his own good&#039;? Who is she to tell him what products he should use? And as to switching food, that&#039;s even worse.
We&#039;re big fans of full disclosure around here and if the pants make my butt look big I&#039;d rather hear it from DH before I leave the house than second hand afterward.
Confess and don&#039;t ever do that again or he might be tempted to switch some stuff on you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#69 Lou &#8216;I remember it. I resent it. She’s a loveing sweet person, but it was a long time before I trusted her again. It’s not an exact parallel, of course. What I hated about it, then and now, was not so much the dishonesty – it was the GOTCHA.&#8217;<br />
I&#8217;m with you (and Amber) especially since you both were trying to spare a loved one&#8217;s feelings and they used it against you.<br />
This sort of stunt is dirty pool. It&#8217;s not that it&#8217;s *just* shampoo (it is just shampoo), it&#8217;s the deception and the nyah-nyah on top of the deception. He may be a closed-minded person unwilling to change but I&#8217;ll take that over sneaky any day. What else is she doing behind his back &#8216;for his own good&#8217;? Who is she to tell him what products he should use? And as to switching food, that&#8217;s even worse.<br />
We&#8217;re big fans of full disclosure around here and if the pants make my butt look big I&#8217;d rather hear it from DH before I leave the house than second hand afterward.<br />
Confess and don&#8217;t ever do that again or he might be tempted to switch some stuff on you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all about this harmless switch-er-oo.  In instances like this, both people win.  Not sure how there can be a loser?  I helped my hubby drop his caffeine addiction by switching him to decaf MONTHS ago....and I got him higher-quality beans as an incentive (it tastes stronger to him; so he is drinking less, but why tell him that it&#039;s also decaf??).  I feel like I did us both a favor, and I am not lookin&#039; back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all about this harmless switch-er-oo.  In instances like this, both people win.  Not sure how there can be a loser?  I helped my hubby drop his caffeine addiction by switching him to decaf MONTHS ago&#8230;.and I got him higher-quality beans as an incentive (it tastes stronger to him; so he is drinking less, but why tell him that it&#8217;s also decaf??).  I feel like I did us both a favor, and I am not lookin&#8217; back!</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents did this to me once with sliced cheese.  I must have been around 10 at the time.

I noticed a taste difference, but didn&#039;t say anything because I didn&#039;t want to tarnish my previous statements about my preferred brand being better/different.  Then when they revealed the switch-a-roo they claimed I was lying when I said I did noticed but didn&#039;t say anything right away.  

It was a bad move in the first place, but now that the damage is done she should confess, ask his forgiveness and believe him if he says he thought something was weird lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents did this to me once with sliced cheese.  I must have been around 10 at the time.</p>
<p>I noticed a taste difference, but didn&#8217;t say anything because I didn&#8217;t want to tarnish my previous statements about my preferred brand being better/different.  Then when they revealed the switch-a-roo they claimed I was lying when I said I did noticed but didn&#8217;t say anything right away.  </p>
<p>It was a bad move in the first place, but now that the damage is done she should confess, ask his forgiveness and believe him if he says he thought something was weird lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She should &#039;fess up&#039;.    The only way I think this situation is morally right is if she was doing it as a test to prove to her husband that he cheap shampoo is just as good.    If she doesn&#039;t tell him the truth then its perpetuating dishonestly.   Marriages don&#039;t function well when you&#039;re lying to one another, even little trivial lies will create distrust.


I don&#039;t think him having a personal preference for a brand of shampoo that he won&#039;t change justifies lying to him.  Being frugal at all costs no matter what your spouse wants is not the right way to go.  You have to compromise and negotiate where you should/shouldn&#039;t be saving money.   If that shampoo is really important to him then she&#039;s disregarding his priorities and putting money (a relatively small sum) above his feelings and concerns.  

So he may not take this well.   But it might not really be a big deal for him at all.  If my wife did it to me then I&#039;d not really care at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She should &#8216;fess up&#8217;.    The only way I think this situation is morally right is if she was doing it as a test to prove to her husband that he cheap shampoo is just as good.    If she doesn&#8217;t tell him the truth then its perpetuating dishonestly.   Marriages don&#8217;t function well when you&#8217;re lying to one another, even little trivial lies will create distrust.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think him having a personal preference for a brand of shampoo that he won&#8217;t change justifies lying to him.  Being frugal at all costs no matter what your spouse wants is not the right way to go.  You have to compromise and negotiate where you should/shouldn&#8217;t be saving money.   If that shampoo is really important to him then she&#8217;s disregarding his priorities and putting money (a relatively small sum) above his feelings and concerns.  </p>
<p>So he may not take this well.   But it might not really be a big deal for him at all.  If my wife did it to me then I&#8217;d not really care at all.</p>
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