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		<title>By: Lise</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/10/22/ethical-frugality-week-sampling-content/comment-page-2/#comment-801120</link>
		<dc:creator>Lise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Abby (#33) who recommended LaLa.com. It&#039;s great, it&#039;s legal, and I&#039;ve discovered lots of new music that way. 10 cents for a web song is a great price for me, as I&#039;ll almost always be somewhere with a net connection.

I am definitely guilty of reading books in bookstores without buying them, however. Usually this is when I have to kill time while I&#039;m waiting to pick someone up and I haven&#039;t brought any reading of my own. Rarely do I ever read a whole book, though I did recently read all of Sway in Barnes &amp; Noble while waiting on my husband. I always buy a latte or a drink or something while I do, so I guess B&amp;N is getting some money out of me. I dunno if it&#039;s illegal, but it falls within a level of ethicality (is that a word?) I&#039;m comfortable with, so long as the behavior isn&#039;t excessive. 

I guess a better alternative would be finding the library in the town I&#039;m in and going there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Abby (#33) who recommended LaLa.com. It&#8217;s great, it&#8217;s legal, and I&#8217;ve discovered lots of new music that way. 10 cents for a web song is a great price for me, as I&#8217;ll almost always be somewhere with a net connection.</p>
<p>I am definitely guilty of reading books in bookstores without buying them, however. Usually this is when I have to kill time while I&#8217;m waiting to pick someone up and I haven&#8217;t brought any reading of my own. Rarely do I ever read a whole book, though I did recently read all of Sway in Barnes &amp; Noble while waiting on my husband. I always buy a latte or a drink or something while I do, so I guess B&amp;N is getting some money out of me. I dunno if it&#8217;s illegal, but it falls within a level of ethicality (is that a word?) I&#8217;m comfortable with, so long as the behavior isn&#8217;t excessive. </p>
<p>I guess a better alternative would be finding the library in the town I&#8217;m in and going there.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, just noticed there was a post earlier in the week for free samples.

That&#039;s what happens when I don&#039;t pay attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, just noticed there was a post earlier in the week for free samples.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what happens when I don&#8217;t pay attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about another type a sampling, product sampling.

I&#039;m in Costco nearly every Saturday. I get my heart and cholesterol medication there, and buy many things in bulk. Many different food products are given out as samples during the day (especially Saturday).

I&#039;ve heard the argument both ways: I paid my membership and the product is free, so I&#039;ll take as much as I want. Then there are those who stop, listen to the spiel from the staffer, take one item, and move on. I know people who structure their day around being at Costco at say, 1PM so they can graze the premises and get a free lunch. I&#039;m more in the &quot;sample one here, sample one there&quot; camp. Just because there are a whole tray of quesadilla samples in front of me does not mean I&#039;m entitled to all of them.

I believe this the difference between being frugal (me) and being cheap (my lawyer, among others).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about another type a sampling, product sampling.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in Costco nearly every Saturday. I get my heart and cholesterol medication there, and buy many things in bulk. Many different food products are given out as samples during the day (especially Saturday).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard the argument both ways: I paid my membership and the product is free, so I&#8217;ll take as much as I want. Then there are those who stop, listen to the spiel from the staffer, take one item, and move on. I know people who structure their day around being at Costco at say, 1PM so they can graze the premises and get a free lunch. I&#8217;m more in the &#8220;sample one here, sample one there&#8221; camp. Just because there are a whole tray of quesadilla samples in front of me does not mean I&#8217;m entitled to all of them.</p>
<p>I believe this the difference between being frugal (me) and being cheap (my lawyer, among others).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle (#15)

Your argument is from a faulty premise, so it really isn&#039;t an article but rather a logical fallacy.

You can write down the poem. Yes, you own the pen and ink but you can not distribute it and take credit for creating the poem.

I could write down Joyce Kilmer&#039;s poem &lt;i&gt;Trees&lt;/i&gt;, but it is not MY poem. I did not create it, I merely copied it down. Kilmer created it. It is her work.

I&#039;m a writer by trade (despite two business degrees, companies in down economies aren&#039;t hiring many MBAs). I take copyright law very seriously. I loathe the idea of pirating and believe that authors and artists are entitled to compensation for their work.

©2009, Bill in Houston Enterprises</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle (#15)</p>
<p>Your argument is from a faulty premise, so it really isn&#8217;t an article but rather a logical fallacy.</p>
<p>You can write down the poem. Yes, you own the pen and ink but you can not distribute it and take credit for creating the poem.</p>
<p>I could write down Joyce Kilmer&#8217;s poem <i>Trees</i>, but it is not MY poem. I did not create it, I merely copied it down. Kilmer created it. It is her work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a writer by trade (despite two business degrees, companies in down economies aren&#8217;t hiring many MBAs). I take copyright law very seriously. I loathe the idea of pirating and believe that authors and artists are entitled to compensation for their work.</p>
<p>©2009, Bill in Houston Enterprises</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: paying the creator for more than one use. When we play a concert and play the music of others, we have to pay ASCAP or BMI a fee to use it if we charge money for the concert. ASCAP and BMI then pay the creator or copyright holder. And if you are caught playing copyrighted music and not paying, they will come down on you like a ton of bricks. 

On the other hand, with sheet music it is illegal to copy if. However, out of print music is impossible to get parts for. And the music publishing industry until very recently has refused to let you get just, say, the first bassoon part. You had to pay for the whole arrangement to get one missing part. That has led to wholesale copying. 

However, if I pay for an arrangement, why can&#039;t I make copies of parts to use in playing and keep the arrangement score intact? That seems to me to be fair use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: paying the creator for more than one use. When we play a concert and play the music of others, we have to pay ASCAP or BMI a fee to use it if we charge money for the concert. ASCAP and BMI then pay the creator or copyright holder. And if you are caught playing copyrighted music and not paying, they will come down on you like a ton of bricks. </p>
<p>On the other hand, with sheet music it is illegal to copy if. However, out of print music is impossible to get parts for. And the music publishing industry until very recently has refused to let you get just, say, the first bassoon part. You had to pay for the whole arrangement to get one missing part. That has led to wholesale copying. </p>
<p>However, if I pay for an arrangement, why can&#8217;t I make copies of parts to use in playing and keep the arrangement score intact? That seems to me to be fair use.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Leah &quot;The only time ethics comes into play is when what you’re doing doesn’t violate federal copyright law.&quot;

I disagree, it also comes into play when deciding how to write laws and public opinion. I&#039;m not advocating violating the law. I&#039;m advocating changing your perception and encouraging you to voice that opinion to a representative.

@Kim &quot;It is offensive to me that someone would steal the creative work...&quot; You can only steal a copy of a creative work. You can make a copy for yourself and deprive nobody else of that original copy. This is not stealing. It does infringe their copyright, but it is not stealing. never confuse the two. Objects can be stolen, Ideas can only be shared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Leah &#8220;The only time ethics comes into play is when what you’re doing doesn’t violate federal copyright law.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree, it also comes into play when deciding how to write laws and public opinion. I&#8217;m not advocating violating the law. I&#8217;m advocating changing your perception and encouraging you to voice that opinion to a representative.</p>
<p>@Kim &#8220;It is offensive to me that someone would steal the creative work&#8230;&#8221; You can only steal a copy of a creative work. You can make a copy for yourself and deprive nobody else of that original copy. This is not stealing. It does infringe their copyright, but it is not stealing. never confuse the two. Objects can be stolen, Ideas can only be shared.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A book becomes the property of the purchaser the moment money changes hands.  Legal uses include reading it, not reading it, re-selling it, loaning it, giving it or throwing it away.  NOT legal: copying the content, making multiple copies of the material and selling, loaning or giving them away.  The original purchase confers the right to legally re-sell or give the material away.  Certain rights are retained by the owner/creator of the material, much as in a home sale, certain mineral or water rights may not be transferred during the sale, but the house may be resold, given as a gift or destroyed by right of purchase.

Software has it&#039;s own limitations.  Purchasing it does not grant you the right to deconstruct the code and alter or redistribute multiple copies.  Typically the only right of copying is one backup copy and the installation on one CPU and one laptop owned by the same person, but not for use at the same time.  

The argument that has been made to me is that &quot;creativity is a gift from God and so should not be sold.&quot;  Rubbish.  A tradesman has a gift in the ability to create things with his hands.  He may be naturally gifted in metals, woodwork or stonework, but he must hone his craft through learning and practice and WORK, for which he is paid.  A writer hones his natural abilities the same way, but it is the actual WORK that produces the item.  A musician/composer must WORK at his/her craft.  Etc., etc.  It is offensive to me that someone would steal the creative work of artists, musicians, and writers, and it should be criminal in the same way it would be criminal to steal someone&#039;s cabinetry work, their plumbing, their accounting work, their mechanical work, or to order food from a restaurant with no intent to pay for it.

The ONLY time it is okay to copy music is from one&#039;s own legally purchased files onto their own listening/recording device and for their own use, or when given permission from the author/creator of such a piece.  We have no divine right to the work of another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A book becomes the property of the purchaser the moment money changes hands.  Legal uses include reading it, not reading it, re-selling it, loaning it, giving it or throwing it away.  NOT legal: copying the content, making multiple copies of the material and selling, loaning or giving them away.  The original purchase confers the right to legally re-sell or give the material away.  Certain rights are retained by the owner/creator of the material, much as in a home sale, certain mineral or water rights may not be transferred during the sale, but the house may be resold, given as a gift or destroyed by right of purchase.</p>
<p>Software has it&#8217;s own limitations.  Purchasing it does not grant you the right to deconstruct the code and alter or redistribute multiple copies.  Typically the only right of copying is one backup copy and the installation on one CPU and one laptop owned by the same person, but not for use at the same time.  </p>
<p>The argument that has been made to me is that &#8220;creativity is a gift from God and so should not be sold.&#8221;  Rubbish.  A tradesman has a gift in the ability to create things with his hands.  He may be naturally gifted in metals, woodwork or stonework, but he must hone his craft through learning and practice and WORK, for which he is paid.  A writer hones his natural abilities the same way, but it is the actual WORK that produces the item.  A musician/composer must WORK at his/her craft.  Etc., etc.  It is offensive to me that someone would steal the creative work of artists, musicians, and writers, and it should be criminal in the same way it would be criminal to steal someone&#8217;s cabinetry work, their plumbing, their accounting work, their mechanical work, or to order food from a restaurant with no intent to pay for it.</p>
<p>The ONLY time it is okay to copy music is from one&#8217;s own legally purchased files onto their own listening/recording device and for their own use, or when given permission from the author/creator of such a piece.  We have no divine right to the work of another.</p>
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		<title>By: joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also would not buy a book without reading a few pages or at least the introduction.  In which case I may not buy right then, but I often go back to get the book for myself or as a gift.  I also use PPS thanks to Trent telling us about it in his posts.  I only buy new books for gifts.  I see nothing wrong with Trent writing down a few notes as he reviews books all the time.  Who knows that might just be the next book he reviews in which case he will acquire the book and his review will actually be an advertisement for the author.  Plagerlism however; whether it is a cookbook or any book is unethical and illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also would not buy a book without reading a few pages or at least the introduction.  In which case I may not buy right then, but I often go back to get the book for myself or as a gift.  I also use PPS thanks to Trent telling us about it in his posts.  I only buy new books for gifts.  I see nothing wrong with Trent writing down a few notes as he reviews books all the time.  Who knows that might just be the next book he reviews in which case he will acquire the book and his review will actually be an advertisement for the author.  Plagerlism however; whether it is a cookbook or any book is unethical and illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I misunderstood but if you asked the clerk instead of the store owner; you asked the wrong person.  Clerks aren&#039;t always as concerned about ethics as the owners.  Also, clerks could end up being a good friend or someone trying to make an impression.  Didn&#039;t you have an article about how someone went out of business because they were to lenient about letting people try out music and etc. at their store and then the people went to a cheaper place to buy?  Ethics seem to be okay when a person wants to do something and wrong if they don&#039;t want someone else to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I misunderstood but if you asked the clerk instead of the store owner; you asked the wrong person.  Clerks aren&#8217;t always as concerned about ethics as the owners.  Also, clerks could end up being a good friend or someone trying to make an impression.  Didn&#8217;t you have an article about how someone went out of business because they were to lenient about letting people try out music and etc. at their store and then the people went to a cheaper place to buy?  Ethics seem to be okay when a person wants to do something and wrong if they don&#8217;t want someone else to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, marketing is often a factor.

There is a doc whom i follow - he sends out a frequent newsletter.  His marketing standards are along the line of &quot;Read about this supplement to help boost your energy!&quot;  And then, &quot;buy my book, buy my book, buy my book.&quot;  

I&#039;m not suggesting he give me all the info in his book for free.  However, his newsletter doesn&#039;t give me enough info to make the decision whether or not i think his book will be worth it for me (&amp; his books are quite highly priced).  His marketing drives me nuts &amp; i did decide to buy his book - from an online used bookstore.  

Ethical?  I don&#039;t know, but i do know i did not want to support his form of marketing.  I follow other health websites that are not so obnoxious with their marketing &amp; occasionally i purchase items from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, marketing is often a factor.</p>
<p>There is a doc whom i follow &#8211; he sends out a frequent newsletter.  His marketing standards are along the line of &#8220;Read about this supplement to help boost your energy!&#8221;  And then, &#8220;buy my book, buy my book, buy my book.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting he give me all the info in his book for free.  However, his newsletter doesn&#8217;t give me enough info to make the decision whether or not i think his book will be worth it for me (&amp; his books are quite highly priced).  His marketing drives me nuts &amp; i did decide to buy his book &#8211; from an online used bookstore.  </p>
<p>Ethical?  I don&#8217;t know, but i do know i did not want to support his form of marketing.  I follow other health websites that are not so obnoxious with their marketing &amp; occasionally i purchase items from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI! Just wanted to say that I am really enjoying this series. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI! Just wanted to say that I am really enjoying this series. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: chacha1</title>
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		<dc:creator>chacha1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Amy B. re: reselling: certain resale markets do benefit creators.  For example, the rare-book market.  Lots of people (me included) will hunt down and buy hardcover editions of work we discovered at the library or in paperback after the hardcovers are out of print.  We mostly then (being established addicts) will buy the author&#039;s new work in hardcover as soon as it comes out.  

If there is a strong demand for an author&#039;s backlist, the publisher will keep it in print so that more people can buy new copies rather than used.  Sometimes publishers will even bring back work that had previously gone out of print - say, to sell an e-book edition.  

On a smaller scale, the same goes for rare music discs and DVDs, and the vinyl record resale business is still hopping.

Of course, *all* these markets rely on people being willing to actually pay for their entertainment, but unlike downloadable content, hard media have to physically change hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Amy B. re: reselling: certain resale markets do benefit creators.  For example, the rare-book market.  Lots of people (me included) will hunt down and buy hardcover editions of work we discovered at the library or in paperback after the hardcovers are out of print.  We mostly then (being established addicts) will buy the author&#8217;s new work in hardcover as soon as it comes out.  </p>
<p>If there is a strong demand for an author&#8217;s backlist, the publisher will keep it in print so that more people can buy new copies rather than used.  Sometimes publishers will even bring back work that had previously gone out of print &#8211; say, to sell an e-book edition.  </p>
<p>On a smaller scale, the same goes for rare music discs and DVDs, and the vinyl record resale business is still hopping.</p>
<p>Of course, *all* these markets rely on people being willing to actually pay for their entertainment, but unlike downloadable content, hard media have to physically change hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Honestb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honestb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading a Cory Doctorow novel (&quot;Little Brother&quot;) the other day. Doctorow releases all his novels free online, but still sells them well. He probably does better because more people get a chance to read them, and he&#039;s become a poster-boy for Creative Commons just for that reason.

Ultimately, it&#039;s the creator of content who gets to decide, but I think Doctorow is a great example of how giving away content is good business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading a Cory Doctorow novel (&#8221;Little Brother&#8221;) the other day. Doctorow releases all his novels free online, but still sells them well. He probably does better because more people get a chance to read them, and he&#8217;s become a poster-boy for Creative Commons just for that reason.</p>
<p>Ultimately, it&#8217;s the creator of content who gets to decide, but I think Doctorow is a great example of how giving away content is good business.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jonathan

Then I totally agree!

I am just a bit lost on the concept that an author might think he/she should get paid the second time because a user buys it second-hand.  I don&#039;t grasp why anyone would consider it unethical.  Isn&#039;t this part of the negotiation the first time?  Information is expensive, especially when bought new; you kind of have to expect them to factor those &quot;lost&quot; second-hand profits into the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jonathan</p>
<p>Then I totally agree!</p>
<p>I am just a bit lost on the concept that an author might think he/she should get paid the second time because a user buys it second-hand.  I don&#8217;t grasp why anyone would consider it unethical.  Isn&#8217;t this part of the negotiation the first time?  Information is expensive, especially when bought new; you kind of have to expect them to factor those &#8220;lost&#8221; second-hand profits into the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: aryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>aryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyle - It&#039;s because you didn&#039;t CREATE the poem. You copied it onto the paper from your memory after reading the original creation. 

You own the piece of paper you wrote it on, certainly, but you don&#039;t own the right to make a profit off someone else&#039;s work. So, you can give away that piece of paper, but you can&#039;t sell it without the creator&#039;s permission.

Think of it this way, what if you had an idea and told your boss. And then your boss wrote that idea down and submitted it to his boss. You wouldn&#039;t be very happy if your boss got a bonus and all the credit for YOUR idea and you got nothing, would you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyle &#8211; It&#8217;s because you didn&#8217;t CREATE the poem. You copied it onto the paper from your memory after reading the original creation. </p>
<p>You own the piece of paper you wrote it on, certainly, but you don&#8217;t own the right to make a profit off someone else&#8217;s work. So, you can give away that piece of paper, but you can&#8217;t sell it without the creator&#8217;s permission.</p>
<p>Think of it this way, what if you had an idea and told your boss. And then your boss wrote that idea down and submitted it to his boss. You wouldn&#8217;t be very happy if your boss got a bonus and all the credit for YOUR idea and you got nothing, would you?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle -  you may own your paper, pen, and brain, but you don&#039;t own the information.

If that seems silly, remember, most money is not cash, its 1s and 0s on a computer at your bank, in other words, its information that you own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle &#8211;  you may own your paper, pen, and brain, but you don&#8217;t own the information.</p>
<p>If that seems silly, remember, most money is not cash, its 1s and 0s on a computer at your bank, in other words, its information that you own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vaudreuil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vaudreuil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Leah
To quote myself, &quot;You have to decide if there is a difference for yourself.&quot; The ethics are for you and everyone else to decide. If you decide it&#039;s unethical to buy second-hand, then it&#039;s as unethical to sell those items. If you decide it IS ethical to buy second-hand, then it&#039;s ethical to sell those items. (Personally I believe it is ethical to buy second-hand)

My statement on buying new simply pertains to the creators getting paid. Buying used means they will not get paid again for your personal usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Leah<br />
To quote myself, &#8220;You have to decide if there is a difference for yourself.&#8221; The ethics are for you and everyone else to decide. If you decide it&#8217;s unethical to buy second-hand, then it&#8217;s as unethical to sell those items. If you decide it IS ethical to buy second-hand, then it&#8217;s ethical to sell those items. (Personally I believe it is ethical to buy second-hand)</p>
<p>My statement on buying new simply pertains to the creators getting paid. Buying used means they will not get paid again for your personal usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brent and others who&#039;ve brought up this discussion:

As a third-year law student who&#039;s taken more classes than I&#039;ve cared to on copyright and related issues, here are my two cents.  If what you&#039;re doing is copyright infringement, it doesn&#039;t matter whether you think it&#039;s ethical or unethical.  You can still be sued, and heavy fees are associated with your copyright infringement.  

The only time ethics comes into play is when what you&#039;re doing doesn&#039;t violate federal copyright law.  

@ Jonathan
Your proposal to buy everything new essentially means that I can&#039;t dispose of my personal property in the manner I see fit.  Right?  If it&#039;s unethical to buy music or books or movies second-hand, is it also unethical for me to sell it?  Why?  It&#039;s my personal property.  I own that copy of the author&#039;s work.  As long as I do not copy it, I can do whatever I want with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brent and others who&#8217;ve brought up this discussion:</p>
<p>As a third-year law student who&#8217;s taken more classes than I&#8217;ve cared to on copyright and related issues, here are my two cents.  If what you&#8217;re doing is copyright infringement, it doesn&#8217;t matter whether you think it&#8217;s ethical or unethical.  You can still be sued, and heavy fees are associated with your copyright infringement.  </p>
<p>The only time ethics comes into play is when what you&#8217;re doing doesn&#8217;t violate federal copyright law.  </p>
<p>@ Jonathan<br />
Your proposal to buy everything new essentially means that I can&#8217;t dispose of my personal property in the manner I see fit.  Right?  If it&#8217;s unethical to buy music or books or movies second-hand, is it also unethical for me to sell it?  Why?  It&#8217;s my personal property.  I own that copy of the author&#8217;s work.  As long as I do not copy it, I can do whatever I want with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this is an interesting debate.  Loved the point that the bookseller has already purchased the book, so that does give him every right to allow you to thumb through it with your coffee.

Regarding the &quot;ethics&quot; of reselling.  This deserves additional consideration.  Think of the parallel with the used car market.  If there is greater demand in the resale market (and hence greater resale value) that is often reflected in the first market price - i.e. the maker actually does receive a benefit from the secondary transaction.  How does this apply to other goods?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this is an interesting debate.  Loved the point that the bookseller has already purchased the book, so that does give him every right to allow you to thumb through it with your coffee.</p>
<p>Regarding the &#8220;ethics&#8221; of reselling.  This deserves additional consideration.  Think of the parallel with the used car market.  If there is greater demand in the resale market (and hence greater resale value) that is often reflected in the first market price &#8211; i.e. the maker actually does receive a benefit from the secondary transaction.  How does this apply to other goods?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting debate. I go all the time to Borders to drink coffee and read magazines. Is this also unethical? Probably. I guess my question is: why do they always put the magazine section next to the coffee shop? In some respects, they are tacitly consenting to the practice, or if not, they are certainly encouraging it. Coffee has a high mark-up, and I imagine they make a lot of money off of people who do exactly what I do over the long term. I go there to read the magazines that are guilty pleasure magazines like People and US Weekly. The magazines that I actually see real value in, I subscribe to and read at home. I would never pay $4.95 for a celebrity gossip magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting debate. I go all the time to Borders to drink coffee and read magazines. Is this also unethical? Probably. I guess my question is: why do they always put the magazine section next to the coffee shop? In some respects, they are tacitly consenting to the practice, or if not, they are certainly encouraging it. Coffee has a high mark-up, and I imagine they make a lot of money off of people who do exactly what I do over the long term. I go there to read the magazines that are guilty pleasure magazines like People and US Weekly. The magazines that I actually see real value in, I subscribe to and read at home. I would never pay $4.95 for a celebrity gossip magazine.</p>
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