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	<title>Comments on: Trimming the Average Budget: Pensions and Social Security</title>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/06/trimming-the-average-budget-pensions-and-social-security/comment-page-1/#comment-841456</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7&amp;#11-I completely agree.  There should be a retraction printed about the PBGC.  Unlike the FDIC, which pays out bank depositors on a dollar-for-dollar basis, when the PBGC takes over a pension fund from a company, they usually pay out pennies on the dollar to retirees collecting pension benefits.  So, even if your company is paying for PBGC insurance, it really doesn&#039;t help much if your company goes out of business and the PBGC takes over your pension fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7&amp;#11-I completely agree.  There should be a retraction printed about the PBGC.  Unlike the FDIC, which pays out bank depositors on a dollar-for-dollar basis, when the PBGC takes over a pension fund from a company, they usually pay out pennies on the dollar to retirees collecting pension benefits.  So, even if your company is paying for PBGC insurance, it really doesn&#8217;t help much if your company goes out of business and the PBGC takes over your pension fund.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Allison - I agree with chacha1 that some sort of fix will be implemented for SSI and it will likely take the form of reduced benefits.  Forecasts for SS benefits 25 years from now suggest that we&#039;re funded at the 75% level already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Allison &#8211; I agree with chacha1 that some sort of fix will be implemented for SSI and it will likely take the form of reduced benefits.  Forecasts for SS benefits 25 years from now suggest that we&#8217;re funded at the 75% level already.</p>
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		<title>By: chacha1</title>
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		<dc:creator>chacha1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Des #3, thanks for the correction!
  
@ Allison #12, I&#039;d be surprised if SS isn&#039;t salvaged in the next 25-30 years, at least to the extent of a guaranteed minimum benefit.  It may well be that I don&#039;t get the payment I&#039;m currently &quot;entitled to&quot; (if I go by my SS statement), but I&#039;m fairly certain that by the time I want benefits there will still be *something* available for me (I&#039;ll be 70 in 2035).

My prediction is the US government is more likely to cut retiree healthcare benefits than to cut retirement income-security benefits.  Simply because there&#039;s all kinds of reasons why someone might be broke in old age, and not all of them are self-inflicted.  

Whereas, coldly stated, ill-health in old age, in the US, often IS self-inflicted, as is excessive consumption of healthcare services.  We do have to accept that the government can&#039;t take care of all our needs, much less all our wants.  Medicare coverage for Viagra? bariatric surgery? proven-to-be-ineffective back surgery? These things will have to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Des #3, thanks for the correction!</p>
<p>@ Allison #12, I&#8217;d be surprised if SS isn&#8217;t salvaged in the next 25-30 years, at least to the extent of a guaranteed minimum benefit.  It may well be that I don&#8217;t get the payment I&#8217;m currently &#8220;entitled to&#8221; (if I go by my SS statement), but I&#8217;m fairly certain that by the time I want benefits there will still be *something* available for me (I&#8217;ll be 70 in 2035).</p>
<p>My prediction is the US government is more likely to cut retiree healthcare benefits than to cut retirement income-security benefits.  Simply because there&#8217;s all kinds of reasons why someone might be broke in old age, and not all of them are self-inflicted.  </p>
<p>Whereas, coldly stated, ill-health in old age, in the US, often IS self-inflicted, as is excessive consumption of healthcare services.  We do have to accept that the government can&#8217;t take care of all our needs, much less all our wants.  Medicare coverage for Viagra? bariatric surgery? proven-to-be-ineffective back surgery? These things will have to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m really scared about is there not being Social Security for me to use by the time I retire (roughly 25 years). So I have to put all this money into the system and then there no longer seems to be a guarantee that it will be there when it&#039;s my turn.

My company doesn&#039;t OFFER a 401K, so I&#039;ve been researching (thanks, Trent) what to do instead. 25 years is a long ways away when I look at whether SS will be there or not. But is NOT enough time when I realize I may need an entirely different game plan.

It used to be that I was fairly confident we could live off of our SS because with 25 years left to go, we ALREADY will get enough SS to keep a fairly comfortable lifestyle -- because we are frugal NOW. But the way things are in the world, well... hmph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m really scared about is there not being Social Security for me to use by the time I retire (roughly 25 years). So I have to put all this money into the system and then there no longer seems to be a guarantee that it will be there when it&#8217;s my turn.</p>
<p>My company doesn&#8217;t OFFER a 401K, so I&#8217;ve been researching (thanks, Trent) what to do instead. 25 years is a long ways away when I look at whether SS will be there or not. But is NOT enough time when I realize I may need an entirely different game plan.</p>
<p>It used to be that I was fairly confident we could live off of our SS because with 25 years left to go, we ALREADY will get enough SS to keep a fairly comfortable lifestyle &#8212; because we are frugal NOW. But the way things are in the world, well&#8230; hmph.</p>
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		<title>By: kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7 Brad,

I agree- the PBGC is not something an individual can use as are source. It is only there, or not, through one&#039;s employer. I hate that kind of mistake in a blog- it makes me wonder how well researched the rest of the talking points and entries are. A retraction/clarification is called for, to prevent people wasting time and energy calling the PBGC. If there is another kind of pension insurance- I&#039;d love to hear about it. I find this blog best for mundane how-tos that the author has used himself, basic common sense reminders/refreshers, and links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 Brad,</p>
<p>I agree- the PBGC is not something an individual can use as are source. It is only there, or not, through one&#8217;s employer. I hate that kind of mistake in a blog- it makes me wonder how well researched the rest of the talking points and entries are. A retraction/clarification is called for, to prevent people wasting time and energy calling the PBGC. If there is another kind of pension insurance- I&#8217;d love to hear about it. I find this blog best for mundane how-tos that the author has used himself, basic common sense reminders/refreshers, and links.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of increasing the value and security of this money.  But that makes me think:
1) invest your company retirement money in low-cost, secure investments
2) diversify - don&#039;t put all your money in one place and cash out company stock to move it to a mutual fund as soon as you are allowed to
3) don&#039;t take loans on your retirement money if you can find a better way to handle a cash flow problem (look hard and long for a better way!)
4) don&#039;t withdraw the money in such a way that you pay a fine
5) when you switch jobs, rollover your old retirement funds into an IRA and switch them to lower-cost and/or more secure investments
6) include the retirement plan in your evaluations of job offers
7) if your options suck, contribute only the amount needed to get company matching and put the rest in IRAs.
8) if your options suck, look into a second income from self employment which you can put into additional self-employment vehicles
9) put some of your money in regular vehicles and some in Roth vehicles so that whether your tax rate goes up or down, you win

My favorite tip of yours is to share resources and ideas.  Especially with co-workers.  This is especially easy to bring up at retirement parties.  And when you find out someone&#039;s about to retire, you can ask them questions about their techniques along with questions about what they will be doing next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of increasing the value and security of this money.  But that makes me think:<br />
1) invest your company retirement money in low-cost, secure investments<br />
2) diversify &#8211; don&#8217;t put all your money in one place and cash out company stock to move it to a mutual fund as soon as you are allowed to<br />
3) don&#8217;t take loans on your retirement money if you can find a better way to handle a cash flow problem (look hard and long for a better way!)<br />
4) don&#8217;t withdraw the money in such a way that you pay a fine<br />
5) when you switch jobs, rollover your old retirement funds into an IRA and switch them to lower-cost and/or more secure investments<br />
6) include the retirement plan in your evaluations of job offers<br />
7) if your options suck, contribute only the amount needed to get company matching and put the rest in IRAs.<br />
8) if your options suck, look into a second income from self employment which you can put into additional self-employment vehicles<br />
9) put some of your money in regular vehicles and some in Roth vehicles so that whether your tax rate goes up or down, you win</p>
<p>My favorite tip of yours is to share resources and ideas.  Especially with co-workers.  This is especially easy to bring up at retirement parties.  And when you find out someone&#8217;s about to retire, you can ask them questions about their techniques along with questions about what they will be doing next.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trimming the budget needs to occur long before retiring.  Living frugally for all those decades before retiring allows you to sock away a significant percentage of your lifetime earnings into accounts that will grow to astounding levels due to compounding interest.  

Most people grouse about spending too much money.  I have never heard anyone complain they saved too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trimming the budget needs to occur long before retiring.  Living frugally for all those decades before retiring allows you to sock away a significant percentage of your lifetime earnings into accounts that will grow to astounding levels due to compounding interest.  </p>
<p>Most people grouse about spending too much money.  I have never heard anyone complain they saved too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Shevy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shevy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the areas where many people should be allocating *more* money, not less.  The amount of SSI (or CPP for us Canadians) taken off our paycheques is directly related to the amount of money we earn but there are supplemental retirement savings plans available.  The problem is, not everybody takes advantage of these plans.

Whether or not Social Security or Canada Pension are around when we all retire it&#039;s important to have as many options available as possible.

My best tip would be:
If your company has a pension plan that offers a match, always take it, even if you have to cut back somewhere else in order to get the full match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the areas where many people should be allocating *more* money, not less.  The amount of SSI (or CPP for us Canadians) taken off our paycheques is directly related to the amount of money we earn but there are supplemental retirement savings plans available.  The problem is, not everybody takes advantage of these plans.</p>
<p>Whether or not Social Security or Canada Pension are around when we all retire it&#8217;s important to have as many options available as possible.</p>
<p>My best tip would be:<br />
If your company has a pension plan that offers a match, always take it, even if you have to cut back somewhere else in order to get the full match.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 6 jim

thanks for clearing that up. im pretty sure thats how it worked, but his paragraph confused me. i was thinking maybe he was talking to employers in that one? *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 6 jim</p>
<p>thanks for clearing that up. im pretty sure thats how it worked, but his paragraph confused me. i was thinking maybe he was talking to employers in that one? *shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pensions are generally automatically insured by the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC).  The PBGC acts like the FDIC.  It insures defined benefit pensions but not 401k&#039;s.  You either have it or you don&#039;t and mostly everyone with a traditional pension has PBGC coverage.  Its not something you can add optionally or individually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pensions are generally automatically insured by the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC).  The PBGC acts like the FDIC.  It insures defined benefit pensions but not 401k&#8217;s.  You either have it or you don&#8217;t and mostly everyone with a traditional pension has PBGC coverage.  Its not something you can add optionally or individually.</p>
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		<title>By: John DeFlumeri Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>John DeFlumeri Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The smart thing is as you say, make your requirements for retirement as small as possible.

John DeFlumeri Jr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The smart thing is as you say, make your requirements for retirement as small as possible.</p>
<p>John DeFlumeri Jr</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To lower your Social Security &quot;tax&quot; (it&#039;s not really a tax in the usual sense as many people of the people who currently pay in actually will get money out of it), reduce the percentage of your income which comes from employment.

How do you do that?  By increasing your investments/savings.  The other option, of having a lower income, is not usually worth considering :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To lower your Social Security &#8220;tax&#8221; (it&#8217;s not really a tax in the usual sense as many people of the people who currently pay in actually will get money out of it), reduce the percentage of your income which comes from employment.</p>
<p>How do you do that?  By increasing your investments/savings.  The other option, of having a lower income, is not usually worth considering :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Des</title>
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		<dc:creator>Des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chacha1

401(k), IRA, and HSA contributions do not lower your Social Security or Medicare tax. They only lower your Federal taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chacha1</p>
<p>401(k), IRA, and HSA contributions do not lower your Social Security or Medicare tax. They only lower your Federal taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: chacha1</title>
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		<dc:creator>chacha1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this was an interesting way to address this slice of the &quot;average American budget.&quot;  It&#039;s never too early for people to start thinking of how they&#039;ll pay to live during the years after they stop working.

I&#039;d say the most effective of the tips above, for most people, will be to minimize requirements and to develop self-sustainability.  Right now, for example, my parents (retired) live in a very expensive, very inefficient, very oversized house on a property where they don&#039;t have the option of growing a meaningful amount of their own food - even though they work, hard, outside almost every day.  I&#039;m shooting for a retirement in a small, efficient home with enough land to have a serious garden and some laying hens.

It&#039;s true, most of us have very few options for reducing what we pay in Social Security tax; but one good way that wasn&#039;t really addressed is by maximizing pre-tax contributions to 401(k), IRA, or HSA accounts.  I think it&#039;s well worth reducing current income in order to save current taxes *and* ensure future income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this was an interesting way to address this slice of the &#8220;average American budget.&#8221;  It&#8217;s never too early for people to start thinking of how they&#8217;ll pay to live during the years after they stop working.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the most effective of the tips above, for most people, will be to minimize requirements and to develop self-sustainability.  Right now, for example, my parents (retired) live in a very expensive, very inefficient, very oversized house on a property where they don&#8217;t have the option of growing a meaningful amount of their own food &#8211; even though they work, hard, outside almost every day.  I&#8217;m shooting for a retirement in a small, efficient home with enough land to have a serious garden and some laying hens.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, most of us have very few options for reducing what we pay in Social Security tax; but one good way that wasn&#8217;t really addressed is by maximizing pre-tax contributions to 401(k), IRA, or HSA accounts.  I think it&#8217;s well worth reducing current income in order to save current taxes *and* ensure future income.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent - in the italicized paragraph at the bottom, I assume to mean &quot;pension and Social Security&quot; instead of &quot;shelter,&quot; correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent &#8211; in the italicized paragraph at the bottom, I assume to mean &#8220;pension and Social Security&#8221; instead of &#8220;shelter,&#8221; correct?</p>
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