<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Camping Tips for People Who Don&#8217;t Like Camping</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/</link>
	<description>Simple, applicable personal finance advice for the modern world</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:17:51 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: liz</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-854136</link>
		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-854136</guid>
		<description>Every year, my friends and I go &quot;geek camping.&quot; We employ the use of many modern conveniences to make camping fun and easy. From air mattresses to cooking gadgets to GPS devices, we make it easy and fun. And we ALWAYS camp near the bathrooms.

Perhaps we campers are too busy focusing on why non-campers don&#039;t like to camp, rather than simply extolling the unspoken virtues of camping. The real key isn&#039;t about the gear. It&#039;s about the people you take with you. If you get a good group of people together, comfort and fun is what it&#039;s all about. 

For 2-3 days we do nothing but sit in front of a fire, talking, drinking and being lazy while enjoying fresh air and the joys of nature. When we get bored, we play some bocce ball, go on a relaxing hike or find a paddle boat. Active, but not strenuous. When we drink too much we go into the tent, sleep it off and wake up with our spouses for an afternoon delight. When we get hungry we either wrap up a tater in foil and throw in on the fire, crack open a can of Chef Boyardee or open the bag of Cheetos. There&#039;s always someone in the group that has a bit of pyro in &#039;em so you probably don&#039;t ever have to worry about the fire. 

Yes, it takes a bit of effort to set up the tent, air up the mattress and cook a few meals but it&#039;s worth it. For two or three whole days there are no cell phones, no distractions and no responsibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every year, my friends and I go &#8220;geek camping.&#8221; We employ the use of many modern conveniences to make camping fun and easy. From air mattresses to cooking gadgets to GPS devices, we make it easy and fun. And we ALWAYS camp near the bathrooms.</p>
<p>Perhaps we campers are too busy focusing on why non-campers don&#8217;t like to camp, rather than simply extolling the unspoken virtues of camping. The real key isn&#8217;t about the gear. It&#8217;s about the people you take with you. If you get a good group of people together, comfort and fun is what it&#8217;s all about. </p>
<p>For 2-3 days we do nothing but sit in front of a fire, talking, drinking and being lazy while enjoying fresh air and the joys of nature. When we get bored, we play some bocce ball, go on a relaxing hike or find a paddle boat. Active, but not strenuous. When we drink too much we go into the tent, sleep it off and wake up with our spouses for an afternoon delight. When we get hungry we either wrap up a tater in foil and throw in on the fire, crack open a can of Chef Boyardee or open the bag of Cheetos. There&#8217;s always someone in the group that has a bit of pyro in &#8216;em so you probably don&#8217;t ever have to worry about the fire. </p>
<p>Yes, it takes a bit of effort to set up the tent, air up the mattress and cook a few meals but it&#8217;s worth it. For two or three whole days there are no cell phones, no distractions and no responsibilities.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-853502</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-853502</guid>
		<description>For road trips in the west get the state atlas and gazetteer. It shows you all the back roads, dirt roads, 2 tracks and most importantly, is color coded to show public land. On long cross country drives, hubby and I will whip out the gazetteer an hour or two before we want to stop, find an area just off the road that is National Forest or BLM land, and pull over. Most federal land you can camp for free, whether there&#039;s a designated site or not. (The exception is National Parks - usually you need to have permits and stay in campgrounds.) We usually set up the tent after dark, get a solid 8 hrs of sleep, and head on our way the next morning. Sometimes we use a gas stove to heat water for tea but usually we just head to the next gas station. Of course there aren&#039;t showers, toilets or water - this isn&#039;t really recreational, just a cheap way to travel when you want to get somewhere else, and on your own schedule without being bound to a motel reservation somewhere.
For cheap travel when cities are involved, I second the hostel recommendation, and would add hosting websites like Hospitality Club. You make a profile and can find people in the area where you are traveling who will offer you their spare room, or you can host travelers from all over the world. Better for singles or couples than families, but a neat way to get to know places from a local&#039;s perspective. I&#039;ve stayed and hosted and it was a great experience on both ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For road trips in the west get the state atlas and gazetteer. It shows you all the back roads, dirt roads, 2 tracks and most importantly, is color coded to show public land. On long cross country drives, hubby and I will whip out the gazetteer an hour or two before we want to stop, find an area just off the road that is National Forest or BLM land, and pull over. Most federal land you can camp for free, whether there&#8217;s a designated site or not. (The exception is National Parks &#8211; usually you need to have permits and stay in campgrounds.) We usually set up the tent after dark, get a solid 8 hrs of sleep, and head on our way the next morning. Sometimes we use a gas stove to heat water for tea but usually we just head to the next gas station. Of course there aren&#8217;t showers, toilets or water &#8211; this isn&#8217;t really recreational, just a cheap way to travel when you want to get somewhere else, and on your own schedule without being bound to a motel reservation somewhere.<br />
For cheap travel when cities are involved, I second the hostel recommendation, and would add hosting websites like Hospitality Club. You make a profile and can find people in the area where you are traveling who will offer you their spare room, or you can host travelers from all over the world. Better for singles or couples than families, but a neat way to get to know places from a local&#8217;s perspective. I&#8217;ve stayed and hosted and it was a great experience on both ends.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: IASSOS</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-853222</link>
		<dc:creator>IASSOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-853222</guid>
		<description>Regarding Temperance River State Park in Minnesota. This is a dangerous place for small kids who run around with heedless abandon! There is a gorge with sheer dropoffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Temperance River State Park in Minnesota. This is a dangerous place for small kids who run around with heedless abandon! There is a gorge with sheer dropoffs.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Vicki in ABQ</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852880</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki in ABQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852880</guid>
		<description>None of what you list as &quot;the perks&quot; of camping seem like perks to me!   Vacations are supposed to be about fun and relaxation, not more work.   My idea of comfortable isn&#039;t sleeping on the ground/leaves/sleeping pad/sleeping bag with only a layer of canvas separating you from anyone/anything else there.   Also, community water/shower facilities are not an appealing thought either!  As a child and teenager, I was forced to go camping.  I&#039;ve been an adult for 20 years now, and have not chosen once to go camping.  Yes, the National Parks are beautiful--that beauty doesn&#039;t disappear because I choose to stay in a secure, civilized, modern form of housing with climate control and most of the comforts of home for the night.   Plus, I like to do more at night on my vacations than just sleep---having fun at night and sleeping comfortably late in the morning is what helps make a vacation, a vacation.  Otherwise, you&#039;re just repeating the same work week routine in a different location.  Sorry, but none of your suggestions to make camping seem more appealing would make it seem appealing to those of us who do not like camping.  In fact, I&#039;d rather not take a vacation at all if the only choice I could afford was camping---I could be much more comfortable and relaxed at home!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of what you list as &#8220;the perks&#8221; of camping seem like perks to me!   Vacations are supposed to be about fun and relaxation, not more work.   My idea of comfortable isn&#8217;t sleeping on the ground/leaves/sleeping pad/sleeping bag with only a layer of canvas separating you from anyone/anything else there.   Also, community water/shower facilities are not an appealing thought either!  As a child and teenager, I was forced to go camping.  I&#8217;ve been an adult for 20 years now, and have not chosen once to go camping.  Yes, the National Parks are beautiful&#8211;that beauty doesn&#8217;t disappear because I choose to stay in a secure, civilized, modern form of housing with climate control and most of the comforts of home for the night.   Plus, I like to do more at night on my vacations than just sleep&#8212;having fun at night and sleeping comfortably late in the morning is what helps make a vacation, a vacation.  Otherwise, you&#8217;re just repeating the same work week routine in a different location.  Sorry, but none of your suggestions to make camping seem more appealing would make it seem appealing to those of us who do not like camping.  In fact, I&#8217;d rather not take a vacation at all if the only choice I could afford was camping&#8212;I could be much more comfortable and relaxed at home!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: IASSOS</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852567</link>
		<dc:creator>IASSOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852567</guid>
		<description>As I get older – now 70 – I am less comfortable sleeping on the ground. One big problem is getting from the prone ground position to upright, especially with nothing solid to hold onto in the tent. At my age, too, there are bathroom calls in the night which means going out for a hike in the gloom to the toilet.  All the rest of it is wonderful! We travel by car, stay in state parks for the toilets and showers, and cook on a propane stove. And yes, I prefer it over staying in a hotel. It’s not about the money.

As to snakes and serial killers and such, the worst that has ever happened to me while camping is bad weather. My biggest complaint is people with big rigs, and I wouldn’t even see them except that I want showers and toilets. Otherwise I could just beat it back into the bush and set up there. In Minnesota there are at least two state parks where cars must be left outside the camping area in a parking lot. You take your equipment in with a two wheeled cart, and everyone around you will be in a tent only. They also restrict the lake to non-powered boats.

Over the years I have tent camped in Alaska, BC, Alberta, Ontario, Montana, Colorado, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and probably others that I’ve forgotten. 

It’s nice to have a big group of friends along, but I also enjoy going alone (or with a dog) and just hiking with my internal entertainment running. 

I have an eight year old grandson who is a bit of a handful, but when it’s just the two of us in the wilderness he’s a model kid. He is absolutely fascinated with learning about the animals and plants and edible berries and such. If I could keep him out there for six months he might become a human being.

Pillow: When I’m alone I just roll up my trousers and wrap my towel around them.

Food: Adjacent to the campground at Cascade River State Park in Minnesota there is a restaurant – actually within short walking distance. But a cup of coffee while sitting on a rock next to Lake Superior beats the heck out of that!

Gooseberry Falls: Check out Temperance River.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I get older – now 70 – I am less comfortable sleeping on the ground. One big problem is getting from the prone ground position to upright, especially with nothing solid to hold onto in the tent. At my age, too, there are bathroom calls in the night which means going out for a hike in the gloom to the toilet.  All the rest of it is wonderful! We travel by car, stay in state parks for the toilets and showers, and cook on a propane stove. And yes, I prefer it over staying in a hotel. It’s not about the money.</p>
<p>As to snakes and serial killers and such, the worst that has ever happened to me while camping is bad weather. My biggest complaint is people with big rigs, and I wouldn’t even see them except that I want showers and toilets. Otherwise I could just beat it back into the bush and set up there. In Minnesota there are at least two state parks where cars must be left outside the camping area in a parking lot. You take your equipment in with a two wheeled cart, and everyone around you will be in a tent only. They also restrict the lake to non-powered boats.</p>
<p>Over the years I have tent camped in Alaska, BC, Alberta, Ontario, Montana, Colorado, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and probably others that I’ve forgotten. </p>
<p>It’s nice to have a big group of friends along, but I also enjoy going alone (or with a dog) and just hiking with my internal entertainment running. </p>
<p>I have an eight year old grandson who is a bit of a handful, but when it’s just the two of us in the wilderness he’s a model kid. He is absolutely fascinated with learning about the animals and plants and edible berries and such. If I could keep him out there for six months he might become a human being.</p>
<p>Pillow: When I’m alone I just roll up my trousers and wrap my towel around them.</p>
<p>Food: Adjacent to the campground at Cascade River State Park in Minnesota there is a restaurant – actually within short walking distance. But a cup of coffee while sitting on a rock next to Lake Superior beats the heck out of that!</p>
<p>Gooseberry Falls: Check out Temperance River.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lily</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852562</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852562</guid>
		<description>This past autumn, my husband and I took a once-in-a-lifetime trip on motorcycles from San Jose, CA to Key West - in all, 8,103 miles.  We varied the trip to include a little bit of camping.  I planned well ahead by getting advice by seasoned motorcyclists using a motorcycle online forum.  There are many pros and cons to camping.  The beauty of our great land is, indeed, awe-inspiring.  And seeing it on a motorcycle and alternating lodging with camping and hotels is the way to go.  Thanks, Trent, for sharing these tips in the middle of winter to get our minds off of the cold and start looking ahead to warmer weather with spectacular views, smells, and sounds of nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This past autumn, my husband and I took a once-in-a-lifetime trip on motorcycles from San Jose, CA to Key West &#8211; in all, 8,103 miles.  We varied the trip to include a little bit of camping.  I planned well ahead by getting advice by seasoned motorcyclists using a motorcycle online forum.  There are many pros and cons to camping.  The beauty of our great land is, indeed, awe-inspiring.  And seeing it on a motorcycle and alternating lodging with camping and hotels is the way to go.  Thanks, Trent, for sharing these tips in the middle of winter to get our minds off of the cold and start looking ahead to warmer weather with spectacular views, smells, and sounds of nature.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Larabara</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852399</link>
		<dc:creator>Larabara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852399</guid>
		<description>Sorry, Trent, I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m in the non-camping camp.  My childhood was, unfortunately, spent in poverty and my parents struggled very hard just for the basics like food and shelter.  My husband has taken me camping before, but with no electricity, running water, or bed, it felt too much like being homeless!  Not to mention the mosquitos!  Now when I vacation, I make the most of my dollars, but I stay in a nice hotel (off season) and get myself pampered (using their discount coupons for spa treatments).    My idea of &quot;roughing it&quot; is Motel 6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Trent, I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m in the non-camping camp.  My childhood was, unfortunately, spent in poverty and my parents struggled very hard just for the basics like food and shelter.  My husband has taken me camping before, but with no electricity, running water, or bed, it felt too much like being homeless!  Not to mention the mosquitos!  Now when I vacation, I make the most of my dollars, but I stay in a nice hotel (off season) and get myself pampered (using their discount coupons for spa treatments).    My idea of &#8220;roughing it&#8221; is Motel 6.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: cyd</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852373</link>
		<dc:creator>cyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852373</guid>
		<description>i go camping for 3 weeks every year at the Kerrville Folk Festival. foam pads are fine for folks w/ no back problems or young folks, but for the rest of us, air mattresses, esp the double thick ones, make all the difference in the world. A  air compressor is nice to have too, but it&#039;s usually not that hard to borrow one. a rock could be under there, but who cares? you&#039;ll never feel it. my air mattress is even more comfy than my futon at home. i wish i could use it at home, but i think my cats just might like it a little too much LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i go camping for 3 weeks every year at the Kerrville Folk Festival. foam pads are fine for folks w/ no back problems or young folks, but for the rest of us, air mattresses, esp the double thick ones, make all the difference in the world. A  air compressor is nice to have too, but it&#8217;s usually not that hard to borrow one. a rock could be under there, but who cares? you&#8217;ll never feel it. my air mattress is even more comfy than my futon at home. i wish i could use it at home, but i think my cats just might like it a little too much LOL</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Krysten</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852356</link>
		<dc:creator>Krysten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852356</guid>
		<description>If you liked Gooseberry Falls, the next time you&#039;re out on the north shore check out Split Rock -- our absolute favorite campsite, bar none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you liked Gooseberry Falls, the next time you&#8217;re out on the north shore check out Split Rock &#8212; our absolute favorite campsite, bar none.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852319</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852319</guid>
		<description>I love camping, but I&#039;m pretty appalled at your camping ethics here.  I agree with some other commenters -- tearing leaves off the trees?  Do you also cut down trees for your campfire?

I practice &quot;leave no trace&quot; camping as best as I can.  I take a campstove, and I let my boyfriend have a fire one night (it&#039;s a big thing for him).  I don&#039;t even need a cooler, as we cook a lot of soup and veggie meals while camping.  We do put all our food back into the car whenever we&#039;re not cooking.  We&#039;ve got all gear in two big rubbermaid boxes -- cooking, cleaning, etc -- so we just have to throw those in the car and then go camp for a weekend.  We&#039;ve been known to camp at the state park 30 minutes away just so we can spend the whole weekend hiking.

Last summer, we went all along the North Shore.  We spent our first night in a hotel (we drove up after work and don&#039;t like to set up campsites in the dark) and then explored Duluth before heading further up the coast.  It was awesome, and we had a really budget vacation despite traveling over the 4th of July in a popular area.

Another great alternative to camping is to look for hostels.  There are many family friendly hostels where you can book private rooms, and it is usually cheaper than staying in a hotel (the only place that wasn&#039;t true for me so far was in NYC).  That way, you can stay in a city, reduce travel costs.  You don&#039;t have to rent a car so you can stay in a cheap hotel in the boonies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love camping, but I&#8217;m pretty appalled at your camping ethics here.  I agree with some other commenters &#8212; tearing leaves off the trees?  Do you also cut down trees for your campfire?</p>
<p>I practice &#8220;leave no trace&#8221; camping as best as I can.  I take a campstove, and I let my boyfriend have a fire one night (it&#8217;s a big thing for him).  I don&#8217;t even need a cooler, as we cook a lot of soup and veggie meals while camping.  We do put all our food back into the car whenever we&#8217;re not cooking.  We&#8217;ve got all gear in two big rubbermaid boxes &#8212; cooking, cleaning, etc &#8212; so we just have to throw those in the car and then go camp for a weekend.  We&#8217;ve been known to camp at the state park 30 minutes away just so we can spend the whole weekend hiking.</p>
<p>Last summer, we went all along the North Shore.  We spent our first night in a hotel (we drove up after work and don&#8217;t like to set up campsites in the dark) and then explored Duluth before heading further up the coast.  It was awesome, and we had a really budget vacation despite traveling over the 4th of July in a popular area.</p>
<p>Another great alternative to camping is to look for hostels.  There are many family friendly hostels where you can book private rooms, and it is usually cheaper than staying in a hotel (the only place that wasn&#8217;t true for me so far was in NYC).  That way, you can stay in a city, reduce travel costs.  You don&#8217;t have to rent a car so you can stay in a cheap hotel in the boonies.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852314</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852314</guid>
		<description>Our family loves camping AND staying in the hotels. We have vivid memories of staying in a South Carolina beach and waking up to the sound of the surf, and having the beach totally to ourselves. And camping in Switzerland and waking up to see the ALps all aroud us. And a vivid memory is waking up (I was on a college trip)in Yellowstone and having a moose staring at me just a few meters away on the hill.
Now, hotel stays may provide more comfort (and that is perfect if that is what you need), but I have very few vivid recollections of hotel stays. Plus, as the kids have come along, they have gained an appreciation for the out of doors that may not be there if we had stayed every vacation at a hotel.
If anyone is travelling to Europe, you might want to check out a sports store called Decathlon. We were able to buy some really inexpensive, really well made camping items. The best is this sleeping bag that compresses to the size that can go into a regular backpack, with a little sack for keeping it in..I think it gets down to about  1 foot in length. We have 2 of them, and my daughters use them for sleppovers, etc..and all their friends are envious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our family loves camping AND staying in the hotels. We have vivid memories of staying in a South Carolina beach and waking up to the sound of the surf, and having the beach totally to ourselves. And camping in Switzerland and waking up to see the ALps all aroud us. And a vivid memory is waking up (I was on a college trip)in Yellowstone and having a moose staring at me just a few meters away on the hill.<br />
Now, hotel stays may provide more comfort (and that is perfect if that is what you need), but I have very few vivid recollections of hotel stays. Plus, as the kids have come along, they have gained an appreciation for the out of doors that may not be there if we had stayed every vacation at a hotel.<br />
If anyone is travelling to Europe, you might want to check out a sports store called Decathlon. We were able to buy some really inexpensive, really well made camping items. The best is this sleeping bag that compresses to the size that can go into a regular backpack, with a little sack for keeping it in..I think it gets down to about  1 foot in length. We have 2 of them, and my daughters use them for sleppovers, etc..and all their friends are envious!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852299</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852299</guid>
		<description>Interesting post Trent. I&#039;ll keep some of the tips in mind if I ever want to take some non-camping friends out...but really you either love it or you hate it and I&#039;m not about to put people I care about through an experience they know they don&#039;t like.

Personally I love, love, love camping. I have wondeful memories of car camping with my family growing up, and wilderness canoe camping with my boyfriend. For us the perfect vacation is 3 weeks in a provincial park (Canadian) with plenty of canoe routes. You can go almost the entire time withhout seeing a soul, the lakes are your showers and bathrooms are wooden boxes over pits with a hole in the top. Coolers, electricity, cell reception etc. are just not in the picture. It is so freeing to get away from society and just live in the moment - paddling, watching, swimming, moving. The physical aspects are a great departure from days spent sitting at a desk.

Being in a tent during a thunderstorm is totally amazing. But maybe I&#039;m just weird :)

But I wouldn&#039;t consider wilderness camping a cheap activity - for it to be comfortable you need to invest in quality gear. We do it because we love it, not because we save on hotel costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Trent. I&#8217;ll keep some of the tips in mind if I ever want to take some non-camping friends out&#8230;but really you either love it or you hate it and I&#8217;m not about to put people I care about through an experience they know they don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>Personally I love, love, love camping. I have wondeful memories of car camping with my family growing up, and wilderness canoe camping with my boyfriend. For us the perfect vacation is 3 weeks in a provincial park (Canadian) with plenty of canoe routes. You can go almost the entire time withhout seeing a soul, the lakes are your showers and bathrooms are wooden boxes over pits with a hole in the top. Coolers, electricity, cell reception etc. are just not in the picture. It is so freeing to get away from society and just live in the moment &#8211; paddling, watching, swimming, moving. The physical aspects are a great departure from days spent sitting at a desk.</p>
<p>Being in a tent during a thunderstorm is totally amazing. But maybe I&#8217;m just weird :)</p>
<p>But I wouldn&#8217;t consider wilderness camping a cheap activity &#8211; for it to be comfortable you need to invest in quality gear. We do it because we love it, not because we save on hotel costs.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: littlepitcher</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852276</link>
		<dc:creator>littlepitcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852276</guid>
		<description>For the contingencies of hot weather, get a battery-operated fan (a two-D-cell) and a solar battery charger. Keep your charger on the dashboard of your vehicle.  
I don&#039;t do propane stoves.  Coleman gas stoves can be found cheap at garage sales and flea markets, and will use regular unleaded gas.  
A byproduct of having good camping equipment, even for non-campers, is that it&#039;s always available for emergencies.  When my warm Southern city was surprised by a 20-inch snow, I had a tent heater, camp stove, sleeping bag, and ice chest during an extended power outage.  
Survivalists might consider a camp-out near a you-pick farm.  Take your jars and do your canning on the stove, in the open.  Saves the increased power bill for cooling the house, and that home-canned produce is super-fresh. 
One luxury tip for the camper--take your percolator and gourmet coffee.  Nothing will ever taste better than really good flavored coffee with clean, fresh country air.  
My fondness for camping was truly welcome when I had to live in a pickup truck camper for two years.  Tents are, indeed, nicer in warm weather, but you can&#039;t beat a 4 cyl pickup for cheap travel arrangements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the contingencies of hot weather, get a battery-operated fan (a two-D-cell) and a solar battery charger. Keep your charger on the dashboard of your vehicle.<br />
I don&#8217;t do propane stoves.  Coleman gas stoves can be found cheap at garage sales and flea markets, and will use regular unleaded gas.<br />
A byproduct of having good camping equipment, even for non-campers, is that it&#8217;s always available for emergencies.  When my warm Southern city was surprised by a 20-inch snow, I had a tent heater, camp stove, sleeping bag, and ice chest during an extended power outage.<br />
Survivalists might consider a camp-out near a you-pick farm.  Take your jars and do your canning on the stove, in the open.  Saves the increased power bill for cooling the house, and that home-canned produce is super-fresh.<br />
One luxury tip for the camper&#8211;take your percolator and gourmet coffee.  Nothing will ever taste better than really good flavored coffee with clean, fresh country air.<br />
My fondness for camping was truly welcome when I had to live in a pickup truck camper for two years.  Tents are, indeed, nicer in warm weather, but you can&#8217;t beat a 4 cyl pickup for cheap travel arrangements.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852270</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852270</guid>
		<description>Sorry Trent, reading this post makes me wonder if you even camped.  Pulling leaves off trees can get you into a lot of trouble with the rangers. #56 That Other Jean should have wrote this post, she sounds like a real camper. Only thing I would add to her comments is I love the smell of bacon for breakfast in the outdoors; cooked on a propane stove, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Trent, reading this post makes me wonder if you even camped.  Pulling leaves off trees can get you into a lot of trouble with the rangers. #56 That Other Jean should have wrote this post, she sounds like a real camper. Only thing I would add to her comments is I love the smell of bacon for breakfast in the outdoors; cooked on a propane stove, of course.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852260</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852260</guid>
		<description>By the time the 3rd kid came along, tent camping got to be too much. Wet tent walls, being stuck in when it rained, and tent falling down in the middle of the night made for some memories but not something I&#039;d do for a week of vacation. We moved up a notch and rent a rustic one room cabin in a NY state park. Almost as cheap as a tent site, a roof over your head, a stove and a fridge. Of course, you have to walk to the bathrooms, but at least you are dry!  We cook all our suppers on the fire, foil dinners and mountain pies are the best! breakfast is cold cereal, lunch is sandwiches. Lots of hiking, swimming and great fun! 

Even in Florida, you can still hotel it pretty cheap. We were at a Days inn near the orlando mall, and had a 3 room suite with a kitchen for $49 a night, if you shop careful. It had a pool, and a few Irish families the kids enjoyed hanging out with.

Its 8 degrees here, so it seems funny to be talking about camping...brrr! Send the spring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the time the 3rd kid came along, tent camping got to be too much. Wet tent walls, being stuck in when it rained, and tent falling down in the middle of the night made for some memories but not something I&#8217;d do for a week of vacation. We moved up a notch and rent a rustic one room cabin in a NY state park. Almost as cheap as a tent site, a roof over your head, a stove and a fridge. Of course, you have to walk to the bathrooms, but at least you are dry!  We cook all our suppers on the fire, foil dinners and mountain pies are the best! breakfast is cold cereal, lunch is sandwiches. Lots of hiking, swimming and great fun! </p>
<p>Even in Florida, you can still hotel it pretty cheap. We were at a Days inn near the orlando mall, and had a 3 room suite with a kitchen for $49 a night, if you shop careful. It had a pool, and a few Irish families the kids enjoyed hanging out with.</p>
<p>Its 8 degrees here, so it seems funny to be talking about camping&#8230;brrr! Send the spring!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852108</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852108</guid>
		<description>We do all three, 

We love to camp in tents at camp grounds, but most of them are tent only with pit toilets. We have a giant tent, camp stoves and inflatable mattresses. 

We also like to go backpacking, minimalist, much smaller tent, foam pad, much lighter sleeping bag, smaller cooking gear and mostly no other people. 

We also like to travel in style, we are going to Amsterdam in 3 weeks and staying in an 19th century hotel down in the old part of the city. Then we are continuing on to Bangalore / Benguluru, India. I didn&#039;t skimp at all here, We booked a 5 star hotel that caters to western travelers. Frugal? maybe not, but I&#039;ve heard lots of horror stories about India.

Then we are returning through Europe and staying in Paris for 3 days. Usually when we travel we like to stay in historic buildings but Paris hotels are very expensive, so we settled for a modern hotel with a view of the Eiffel tower which as far as the map indicates is a good central location for walking to most of the tourist attractions.     

I&#039;m really surprised that someone in this day and age would thing striping leaf&#039;s from tree&#039;s was OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do all three, </p>
<p>We love to camp in tents at camp grounds, but most of them are tent only with pit toilets. We have a giant tent, camp stoves and inflatable mattresses. </p>
<p>We also like to go backpacking, minimalist, much smaller tent, foam pad, much lighter sleeping bag, smaller cooking gear and mostly no other people. </p>
<p>We also like to travel in style, we are going to Amsterdam in 3 weeks and staying in an 19th century hotel down in the old part of the city. Then we are continuing on to Bangalore / Benguluru, India. I didn&#8217;t skimp at all here, We booked a 5 star hotel that caters to western travelers. Frugal? maybe not, but I&#8217;ve heard lots of horror stories about India.</p>
<p>Then we are returning through Europe and staying in Paris for 3 days. Usually when we travel we like to stay in historic buildings but Paris hotels are very expensive, so we settled for a modern hotel with a view of the Eiffel tower which as far as the map indicates is a good central location for walking to most of the tourist attractions.     </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really surprised that someone in this day and age would thing striping leaf&#8217;s from tree&#8217;s was OK.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: SP</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852092</link>
		<dc:creator>SP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852092</guid>
		<description>I love camping vacations.  Even better, I love backpacking.  I consider camping a vacation.

Still, I&#039;d never camp as a hotel substitute.  Many of my (non-camping!) vacations tend to be in urban areas.  I just don&#039;t see camping as a realistic substitute for a hotel in most situations.  Camping has to be the goal, otherwise it isn&#039;t fun, even for me.

PS - Sleeping without an air pad is absolutely awful, and I&#039;m not a wuss.  I don&#039;t think a sleeping bag rated to zero (have one!) provides enough padding.  But I&#039;m kind of bony, not sure if that matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love camping vacations.  Even better, I love backpacking.  I consider camping a vacation.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;d never camp as a hotel substitute.  Many of my (non-camping!) vacations tend to be in urban areas.  I just don&#8217;t see camping as a realistic substitute for a hotel in most situations.  Camping has to be the goal, otherwise it isn&#8217;t fun, even for me.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Sleeping without an air pad is absolutely awful, and I&#8217;m not a wuss.  I don&#8217;t think a sleeping bag rated to zero (have one!) provides enough padding.  But I&#8217;m kind of bony, not sure if that matters.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rosa Rugosa</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852037</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosa Rugosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852037</guid>
		<description>I remain unconvinced!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remain unconvinced!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852006</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852006</guid>
		<description>I was wafting along in happy agreement until you stepped on the plane.  By the time you buy the plane ticket(s) and rent the car, particularly for a family, you&#039;re into the hundreds of dollars.  I just don&#039;t think packing your car camping gear onto an airplane is going to turn this into an affordable vacation.  I&#039;ve never backpacked, so I can&#039;t address that, but it would be pretty awful if the airline lost the luggage containing the place you intended to stay for a week.  
Having said all that, I&#039;ve enjoyed the camping vacations we drove to.  For the newbie, I recommend going with a group of friends and using any cabins, yurts, etc. that the park may have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wafting along in happy agreement until you stepped on the plane.  By the time you buy the plane ticket(s) and rent the car, particularly for a family, you&#8217;re into the hundreds of dollars.  I just don&#8217;t think packing your car camping gear onto an airplane is going to turn this into an affordable vacation.  I&#8217;ve never backpacked, so I can&#8217;t address that, but it would be pretty awful if the airline lost the luggage containing the place you intended to stay for a week.<br />
Having said all that, I&#8217;ve enjoyed the camping vacations we drove to.  For the newbie, I recommend going with a group of friends and using any cabins, yurts, etc. that the park may have.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/01/28/camping-tips-for-people-who-dont-like-camping/comment-page-2/#comment-852000</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thesimpledollar.com/?p=4918#comment-852000</guid>
		<description>to #47 Amy F: I have no problem going camping for camping sake, I got on a camping/kayak trip every year stil&#039;, but to say you are going on a &#039;destination vacation&#039; and you have to do camping to save money, I would still hold to you have no business going on a vacation in the first place because you clearly can&#039;t afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to #47 Amy F: I have no problem going camping for camping sake, I got on a camping/kayak trip every year stil&#8217;, but to say you are going on a &#8216;destination vacation&#8217; and you have to do camping to save money, I would still hold to you have no business going on a vacation in the first place because you clearly can&#8217;t afford it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

