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		<title>By: Evita</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-876452</link>
		<dc:creator>Evita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Johanna
Isn&#039;t biology a &quot;hard science&quot;? (as opposed to &quot;soft science&quot; such as psychology)
Trent made no mystery of his major in his previous posts......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Johanna<br />
Isn&#8217;t biology a &#8220;hard science&#8221;? (as opposed to &#8220;soft science&#8221; such as psychology)<br />
Trent made no mystery of his major in his previous posts&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent, why do you keep saying that you majored in &quot;the hard sciences&quot;?  Does your diploma say &quot;the hard sciences&quot; on it?  Is there some reason you don&#039;t want to name the specific subjects?  Are you trying to make people think that you majored in, say, physics or chemistry or math?  Do you just like the association of &quot;hard&quot; with &quot;difficult,&quot; even though that&#039;s not what it means in this context?

This reminds me of a woman my mother used to work with, who would mention at every opportunity that she had &quot;a degree from an Ivy League university.&quot;  She had (I think) a master&#039;s degree from Penn.  Penn is a perfectly good school, and it&#039;s nothing to be ashamed of.  But by being coy about it, she made it clear that (1) she wanted people to think she went to Harvard or Princeton, and (2) she didn&#039;t actually go to Harvard or Princeton (since someone who went to Harvard or Princeton and wanted to brag about it would say &quot;Harvard&quot; or &quot;Princeton,&quot; not &quot;an Ivy League university&quot;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, why do you keep saying that you majored in &#8220;the hard sciences&#8221;?  Does your diploma say &#8220;the hard sciences&#8221; on it?  Is there some reason you don&#8217;t want to name the specific subjects?  Are you trying to make people think that you majored in, say, physics or chemistry or math?  Do you just like the association of &#8220;hard&#8221; with &#8220;difficult,&#8221; even though that&#8217;s not what it means in this context?</p>
<p>This reminds me of a woman my mother used to work with, who would mention at every opportunity that she had &#8220;a degree from an Ivy League university.&#8221;  She had (I think) a master&#8217;s degree from Penn.  Penn is a perfectly good school, and it&#8217;s nothing to be ashamed of.  But by being coy about it, she made it clear that (1) she wanted people to think she went to Harvard or Princeton, and (2) she didn&#8217;t actually go to Harvard or Princeton (since someone who went to Harvard or Princeton and wanted to brag about it would say &#8220;Harvard&#8221; or &#8220;Princeton,&#8221; not &#8220;an Ivy League university&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-875424</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Under-estimate the messages in Rich Dad Poor Dad at your peril. It is far from a getting rich quick scheme. As hard as this might be to believe, I am a legitimate non-related party who has only read the books and found them to be spot on. It is simply one way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under-estimate the messages in Rich Dad Poor Dad at your peril. It is far from a getting rich quick scheme. As hard as this might be to believe, I am a legitimate non-related party who has only read the books and found them to be spot on. It is simply one way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in NC</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-874782</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill in NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RK is yet another motivational writer.

Who, like most today, uses the books to step you up to his multi-thousand dollar seminars.

Cheaper to stick with Dale Carnegie and Napoleon Hill for your inspiration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RK is yet another motivational writer.</p>
<p>Who, like most today, uses the books to step you up to his multi-thousand dollar seminars.</p>
<p>Cheaper to stick with Dale Carnegie and Napoleon Hill for your inspiration.</p>
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		<title>By: et</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-874474</link>
		<dc:creator>et</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New credit card rules - they may be a good first baby step toward protecting consumers, but until the ccc&#039;s are prevented from the disclaimer &quot;or any other reason we decide on in the future&quot; to most of the rules, I&#039;m not feeling too protected.

And re the discussion here about the time on comments/emails, I think Trent puts a lot more thought &amp; time into addressing commenter&#039;s comments and questions than I see on other blogs, and using the comments to drive subsequent posts.  That&#039;s what I appreciate most about this blog &amp; keeps me coming back - it&#039;s a conversation rather than just what&#039;s coming out of his head. I&#039;m surprised to hear he doesn&#039;t spend more time than 10 hours!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New credit card rules &#8211; they may be a good first baby step toward protecting consumers, but until the ccc&#8217;s are prevented from the disclaimer &#8220;or any other reason we decide on in the future&#8221; to most of the rules, I&#8217;m not feeling too protected.</p>
<p>And re the discussion here about the time on comments/emails, I think Trent puts a lot more thought &amp; time into addressing commenter&#8217;s comments and questions than I see on other blogs, and using the comments to drive subsequent posts.  That&#8217;s what I appreciate most about this blog &amp; keeps me coming back &#8211; it&#8217;s a conversation rather than just what&#8217;s coming out of his head. I&#8217;m surprised to hear he doesn&#8217;t spend more time than 10 hours!</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Voelker</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-874369</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Voelker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There seems to be a lot of feedback on the &quot;Rich Dad, Poor Dad&quot; series of books. I read the original version about 5 years ago. The book is inspirational, and does have some value for people to pursue their dreams. That is the good news. Most people would agree that running your own business is a key to future wealth. 

The bad news is that many of us really have no desire to run a business. Robert Kiyosaki really does leave a lot of detail out. Business building is a process. We need to have the vision for what it could be, but it takes time. 

On the subject of real estate, buying properties for no money down and then flipping them is one of the big reasons we got into the financial situation we are currently in. If Kiyosaki really did become wealthy through these types of real estate transactions (and selling his books), then good for him. Most people I know really don&#039;t know much about being a landlord though, and he certainly doesn&#039;t say much about it. 

As an advisor, I don&#039;t encouage &quot;no money down&quot; real estate or penny stocks. The best way to &quot;get rich quick&quot; is not to get rich quick. 

Most of us do participate in a 401(k) - or 403(b). Most of us are still feeling the pain from the recent crisis, and wondering what to do next. My book, &quot;Help! My 401(k) Has Fallen - And Must Get Up&quot; deals with 401(k) issues we all face and offers advice on how to get more from your long term savings.  

Thank you once again Trent for being a guest on the program. You are welcome back any time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a lot of feedback on the &#8220;Rich Dad, Poor Dad&#8221; series of books. I read the original version about 5 years ago. The book is inspirational, and does have some value for people to pursue their dreams. That is the good news. Most people would agree that running your own business is a key to future wealth. </p>
<p>The bad news is that many of us really have no desire to run a business. Robert Kiyosaki really does leave a lot of detail out. Business building is a process. We need to have the vision for what it could be, but it takes time. </p>
<p>On the subject of real estate, buying properties for no money down and then flipping them is one of the big reasons we got into the financial situation we are currently in. If Kiyosaki really did become wealthy through these types of real estate transactions (and selling his books), then good for him. Most people I know really don&#8217;t know much about being a landlord though, and he certainly doesn&#8217;t say much about it. </p>
<p>As an advisor, I don&#8217;t encouage &#8220;no money down&#8221; real estate or penny stocks. The best way to &#8220;get rich quick&#8221; is not to get rich quick. </p>
<p>Most of us do participate in a 401(k) &#8211; or 403(b). Most of us are still feeling the pain from the recent crisis, and wondering what to do next. My book, &#8220;Help! My 401(k) Has Fallen &#8211; And Must Get Up&#8221; deals with 401(k) issues we all face and offers advice on how to get more from your long term savings.  </p>
<p>Thank you once again Trent for being a guest on the program. You are welcome back any time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen@TheFrugalGirl</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-874367</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen@TheFrugalGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, Trent was saying that it takes him 10 hours to deal with comments, site management, and emails combined.  I know I don&#039;t spend 10 hours a week moderating comments (though my site gets way less traffic than Trent&#039;s, I often have as many comments as he does), but I can easily imagine spending 10 hours a week on emails.  Those are way more time-consuming than comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Trent was saying that it takes him 10 hours to deal with comments, site management, and emails combined.  I know I don&#8217;t spend 10 hours a week moderating comments (though my site gets way less traffic than Trent&#8217;s, I often have as many comments as he does), but I can easily imagine spending 10 hours a week on emails.  Those are way more time-consuming than comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-874329</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did I claim he didn&#039;t write fiction? Lets state the truth: it is questionable whether he wrote any of the books at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I claim he didn&#8217;t write fiction? Lets state the truth: it is questionable whether he wrote any of the books at all.</p>
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		<title>By: de Ruiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>de Ruiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg #6 &quot;But in the lower class neighborhood that I can come from, entrepreneurship was frowned upon.&quot;   Now come on Greg,  in lower class neighborhoods &quot;entepreneurship&quot; may not always be through legal channels, but there&#039;s a  lot of it going on.  Robert Kiosoki writes fiction, very good, widely selling, huge amount of money generating (for him) ficition.  The fact that he doesn&#039;t appear to have gone bankrupt as claimed, and that he ADAMANTLY REFUSES to release his income tax statements, means he&#039;s successful writer of ficiton with a great formula who doesn&#039;t want to blow his cover.  He also has found a way to make more money off his books by selling seminars and tapes.  Good for him!  He&#039;s spinning tall tales and selling them, so he&#039;s churning out money.  If people believe his fiction is true, that&#039;s their right.   Since we have no way of proving that Robert K. has actually done the amazing things he claims in his books, we must assume he&#039;s a writer of lucrative ficiton. This is OK, because his sales of books, tapes, seminars are legal, generate revenue for him and taxes for the greedy U. S, Government.  It&#039;s win / win.  Robert K. is an EXCELLENT example of entepreneurship! I think he is a great money earner, and I did read his first book of fiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg #6 &#8220;But in the lower class neighborhood that I can come from, entrepreneurship was frowned upon.&#8221;   Now come on Greg,  in lower class neighborhoods &#8220;entepreneurship&#8221; may not always be through legal channels, but there&#8217;s a  lot of it going on.  Robert Kiosoki writes fiction, very good, widely selling, huge amount of money generating (for him) ficition.  The fact that he doesn&#8217;t appear to have gone bankrupt as claimed, and that he ADAMANTLY REFUSES to release his income tax statements, means he&#8217;s successful writer of ficiton with a great formula who doesn&#8217;t want to blow his cover.  He also has found a way to make more money off his books by selling seminars and tapes.  Good for him!  He&#8217;s spinning tall tales and selling them, so he&#8217;s churning out money.  If people believe his fiction is true, that&#8217;s their right.   Since we have no way of proving that Robert K. has actually done the amazing things he claims in his books, we must assume he&#8217;s a writer of lucrative ficiton. This is OK, because his sales of books, tapes, seminars are legal, generate revenue for him and taxes for the greedy U. S, Government.  It&#8217;s win / win.  Robert K. is an EXCELLENT example of entepreneurship! I think he is a great money earner, and I did read his first book of fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I have. I have three (very small) side businesses along with some investment real estate. Nothing that I can live on - yet - but I never would have even tried if I hadn&#039;t read his book. (I may have tried if I read some other book first - but I can&#039;t change the order of many books I have since read.)

I don&#039;t know where you come from - regionally or economically. But in the lower class neighborhood that I can come from, entrepreneurship was frowned upon. It was never even cited as an option in life and those that tried and failed were negatively ridiculed. In my current region, a entrepreneurship club has been started to try to give support to those that want to try in an effort to change the negative mindset around it.

RDPD has a great message for people with this background - a real eye opening message. Does he you a paint by numbers step-by-step method for achieving financial independence? No. Part of the whole point of being an entrepreneur is figuring out on your own how to provide a product or service that people want or need and how to deliver it profitably. There is no exact road map for that - each situation is different - you have to figure it out for yourself.

Anyone that totally dismisses RK as a charlatan is vastly over simplifying a negative review of his message and ignoring that there is an audience that can comprehend without being spoon fed that there is risk in everything you try but it doesn&#039;t mean that you shouldn&#039;t try. 

With that said, I have read most of his books. He re-uses material all over the place and some of his most recent books are borderline gibberish. It is clear that his plan to become super wealthy is based on more and more book sales. It would not surprise me in the least if he becomes a rags-to-riches-to-rags story. (Assuming he even has managed to keep any of his book sale profits and has any &quot;riches&quot;.) He has a few ideas that I haven&#039;t found in other books and he regurgitates them endlessly. Should he be the corner stone of your financial world? Absolutely not! But he can be a great motivator and perspective changer depending on your background. 

Yes, I am a hamster on a treadmill. I go to work and do the same things over and over so that my employer makes more money. On many levels it is a fitting metaphor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have. I have three (very small) side businesses along with some investment real estate. Nothing that I can live on &#8211; yet &#8211; but I never would have even tried if I hadn&#8217;t read his book. (I may have tried if I read some other book first &#8211; but I can&#8217;t change the order of many books I have since read.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where you come from &#8211; regionally or economically. But in the lower class neighborhood that I can come from, entrepreneurship was frowned upon. It was never even cited as an option in life and those that tried and failed were negatively ridiculed. In my current region, a entrepreneurship club has been started to try to give support to those that want to try in an effort to change the negative mindset around it.</p>
<p>RDPD has a great message for people with this background &#8211; a real eye opening message. Does he you a paint by numbers step-by-step method for achieving financial independence? No. Part of the whole point of being an entrepreneur is figuring out on your own how to provide a product or service that people want or need and how to deliver it profitably. There is no exact road map for that &#8211; each situation is different &#8211; you have to figure it out for yourself.</p>
<p>Anyone that totally dismisses RK as a charlatan is vastly over simplifying a negative review of his message and ignoring that there is an audience that can comprehend without being spoon fed that there is risk in everything you try but it doesn&#8217;t mean that you shouldn&#8217;t try. </p>
<p>With that said, I have read most of his books. He re-uses material all over the place and some of his most recent books are borderline gibberish. It is clear that his plan to become super wealthy is based on more and more book sales. It would not surprise me in the least if he becomes a rags-to-riches-to-rags story. (Assuming he even has managed to keep any of his book sale profits and has any &#8220;riches&#8221;.) He has a few ideas that I haven&#8217;t found in other books and he regurgitates them endlessly. Should he be the corner stone of your financial world? Absolutely not! But he can be a great motivator and perspective changer depending on your background. </p>
<p>Yes, I am a hamster on a treadmill. I go to work and do the same things over and over so that my employer makes more money. On many levels it is a fitting metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: getagrip</title>
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		<dc:creator>getagrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Greg  If you believe so strongly in RK, what&#039;s stopping you now?  Go, start that real estate empire.  If real estate isn&#039;t your thing start a side business and keep one foot limping the wheel along.  If you don&#039;t want to run your own business start looking for another job you&#039;ll like more.  You aren&#039;t dead yet and destiny has nothing to do with it.  You make a choice, you decide to live with it or make another choice.   Sadly none of us have it to live over again, but you can start living it now if you really want to.  Lots of middle aged and older folks have been very successful, you could be to if you make the choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg  If you believe so strongly in RK, what&#8217;s stopping you now?  Go, start that real estate empire.  If real estate isn&#8217;t your thing start a side business and keep one foot limping the wheel along.  If you don&#8217;t want to run your own business start looking for another job you&#8217;ll like more.  You aren&#8217;t dead yet and destiny has nothing to do with it.  You make a choice, you decide to live with it or make another choice.   Sadly none of us have it to live over again, but you can start living it now if you really want to.  Lots of middle aged and older folks have been very successful, you could be to if you make the choice.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-873761</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[10 hours a week is too long to spend managing comments. You should consider turning them off, or asking a few people you know well to help you moderate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 hours a week is too long to spend managing comments. You should consider turning them off, or asking a few people you know well to help you moderate.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-873737</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as I work for somebody else, there is ALWAYS the chance that today is my last day working for them. I can get my fill of satisfaction from my job (and at times I have) but I can have that job taken from me for no good reason (which has happened too.) In that sense I have no control over what happens to me and I am a hamster spinning in a wheel hoping that a big foot doesn&#039;t come down on me and flatten me. 

If I could do it all over again, I would run my own companies where my ideas were rewarded based on their merits in the market and my efforts and not on what people above my in the hierarchy thought of them. I wish I would have had more control over my destiny and not along for the ride. (I have held important decision making positions in some of my jobs - but there has always been some one above that can veto for reasons that are sometimes devoid of common sense.)

Bring me my hamster food. It is time to graze.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as I work for somebody else, there is ALWAYS the chance that today is my last day working for them. I can get my fill of satisfaction from my job (and at times I have) but I can have that job taken from me for no good reason (which has happened too.) In that sense I have no control over what happens to me and I am a hamster spinning in a wheel hoping that a big foot doesn&#8217;t come down on me and flatten me. </p>
<p>If I could do it all over again, I would run my own companies where my ideas were rewarded based on their merits in the market and my efforts and not on what people above my in the hierarchy thought of them. I wish I would have had more control over my destiny and not along for the ride. (I have held important decision making positions in some of my jobs &#8211; but there has always been some one above that can veto for reasons that are sometimes devoid of common sense.)</p>
<p>Bring me my hamster food. It is time to graze.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hamsters are mindlessly running no where. That may be how you feel about working for a company, but many people do not. Many find fulfillment and are actually getting somewhere in their lives being workers, and are not just &quot;spinning their wheels.&quot; That rich Dad book refers to ALL workers at jobs as hamsters, including those who have a job that feel they are getting somewhere and meeting their goals. That is what Trent finds offensive.

If you feel like you have been spinning your wheels for several decades, maybe you&#039;ve been on the wrong wheels....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamsters are mindlessly running no where. That may be how you feel about working for a company, but many people do not. Many find fulfillment and are actually getting somewhere in their lives being workers, and are not just &#8220;spinning their wheels.&#8221; That rich Dad book refers to ALL workers at jobs as hamsters, including those who have a job that feel they are getting somewhere and meeting their goals. That is what Trent finds offensive.</p>
<p>If you feel like you have been spinning your wheels for several decades, maybe you&#8217;ve been on the wrong wheels&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/05/interview-notes/#comment-873727</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a guy that is now a professional writer, you seem to not be able to recognize a metaphor. The hamster is a metaphor and, as a guy who has been spinning my wheels for several decades now in the workforce, I can totally relate to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a guy that is now a professional writer, you seem to not be able to recognize a metaphor. The hamster is a metaphor and, as a guy who has been spinning my wheels for several decades now in the workforce, I can totally relate to it.</p>
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