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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read that you can remove a portion from an IRA and that you can return it within 30 days (or some other short period of time) and not undo a past contribution. I&#039;m not about to do it, as I&#039;d like that money to stay precisely where it is, but theoretically it could be used as a very short-term penalty-free loan. Is this true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read that you can remove a portion from an IRA and that you can return it within 30 days (or some other short period of time) and not undo a past contribution. I&#8217;m not about to do it, as I&#8217;d like that money to stay precisely where it is, but theoretically it could be used as a very short-term penalty-free loan. Is this true?</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m really late to the game, but @Amanda - Trent was talking about Schedule A deductions, but if your husband is self-employed (which it sounds like he is, given that he receives grant money through a contract w/ the university), you&#039;d be including the health insurance premium as a business expense on Schedule C. In other words, he receives $800/mo in income from the university to pay for the insurance and he pays out $1100/mo for the insurance premium, so he has a net expense of $300/mo or $3600/yr, which will reduce the rest of his income by $3600/yr.  In the future, PLEASE consult a CPA or other licensed tax advisor for this type of question.  Turbo Tax won&#039;t help you if you don&#039;t know how to answer the questions in the software properly and aren&#039;t even clear on the difference between employment income and self-employment income.  Also, if you&#039;re not even sure what to include as income and what&#039;s considered a business expense, you should really use a CPA to calculate your estimated taxes, too.

@Mike - What do you mean by &quot;cash in&quot; the whole life policies?  Are you planning to terminate the policies or just take a loan?  If you terminate the policies, then any gain above the premiums you&#039;ve paid in will be considered taxable gain.  Not the best idea.  If you&#039;re just planning to take a loan and keep the policy, then your plan could work.  In your case, since you want a lump-sum to pay off your mortgage in 20 years, it actually sounds like a 20-year ROP term policy would be the most appropriate.  That&#039;s the exact type of use that ROP term was designed for.  And the lump sum you receive in 20 years would be tax-free, since it just represents the total amount of premium you&#039;ve paid in over 20 years, plus you would&#039;ve had the death benefit coverage for 20 years.  Often the internal rate of return on an ROP policy comes out to around 5% tax-free, depending on your age and health rating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m really late to the game, but @Amanda &#8211; Trent was talking about Schedule A deductions, but if your husband is self-employed (which it sounds like he is, given that he receives grant money through a contract w/ the university), you&#8217;d be including the health insurance premium as a business expense on Schedule C. In other words, he receives $800/mo in income from the university to pay for the insurance and he pays out $1100/mo for the insurance premium, so he has a net expense of $300/mo or $3600/yr, which will reduce the rest of his income by $3600/yr.  In the future, PLEASE consult a CPA or other licensed tax advisor for this type of question.  Turbo Tax won&#8217;t help you if you don&#8217;t know how to answer the questions in the software properly and aren&#8217;t even clear on the difference between employment income and self-employment income.  Also, if you&#8217;re not even sure what to include as income and what&#8217;s considered a business expense, you should really use a CPA to calculate your estimated taxes, too.</p>
<p>@Mike &#8211; What do you mean by &#8220;cash in&#8221; the whole life policies?  Are you planning to terminate the policies or just take a loan?  If you terminate the policies, then any gain above the premiums you&#8217;ve paid in will be considered taxable gain.  Not the best idea.  If you&#8217;re just planning to take a loan and keep the policy, then your plan could work.  In your case, since you want a lump-sum to pay off your mortgage in 20 years, it actually sounds like a 20-year ROP term policy would be the most appropriate.  That&#8217;s the exact type of use that ROP term was designed for.  And the lump sum you receive in 20 years would be tax-free, since it just represents the total amount of premium you&#8217;ve paid in over 20 years, plus you would&#8217;ve had the death benefit coverage for 20 years.  Often the internal rate of return on an ROP policy comes out to around 5% tax-free, depending on your age and health rating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with the other commenters. I think that using a Roth IRA as your initial emergency savings account is a fantastic idea!

Trent, I almost always agree with you, but you got this one dead wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with the other commenters. I think that using a Roth IRA as your initial emergency savings account is a fantastic idea!</p>
<p>Trent, I almost always agree with you, but you got this one dead wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee- I live in the DC area and got married in my 40s. I wasn&#039;t looking but became friends with the man who eventually became my husband.Follow all the great advice to focus on doing what you enjoy rather than on finding &#039;the one&#039;.

Jena - credit utilization is part of what makes up your FICO and determines your credit worthiness. even though you pay off your balnce you may be using a high percentage of your availalbe credit. Try getting another card and rotating some purchases on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee- I live in the DC area and got married in my 40s. I wasn&#8217;t looking but became friends with the man who eventually became my husband.Follow all the great advice to focus on doing what you enjoy rather than on finding &#8216;the one&#8217;.</p>
<p>Jena &#8211; credit utilization is part of what makes up your FICO and determines your credit worthiness. even though you pay off your balnce you may be using a high percentage of your availalbe credit. Try getting another card and rotating some purchases on it.</p>
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		<title>By: SLCCOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLCCOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, if you have elective procedures that need to be done, and need to stock up on medical supplies, do them all in 2010. Get extra pairs of glasses, hearing aids, whatever. Then you should be able to deduct some things in the next tax year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, if you have elective procedures that need to be done, and need to stock up on medical supplies, do them all in 2010. Get extra pairs of glasses, hearing aids, whatever. Then you should be able to deduct some things in the next tax year.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the responses about taxes and the post-doc.  It was what I expected, but at least I know to file it next year.  I&#039;m not thrilled about paying taxes on the health insurance stipend, but oh, well.  And my grad stipend is really great.  I have a fellowship from NSF and am really lucky because my advisor is flexible, so I stay at home and watch my two kids during the day, work at night, and just have a babysitter a couple days a week to get some quality hours in.  It&#039;s like being a stay-at-home mom most of the time but getting paid to do it (well, and work on my dissertation ...).  It helps make do with a low postdoc salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the responses about taxes and the post-doc.  It was what I expected, but at least I know to file it next year.  I&#8217;m not thrilled about paying taxes on the health insurance stipend, but oh, well.  And my grad stipend is really great.  I have a fellowship from NSF and am really lucky because my advisor is flexible, so I stay at home and watch my two kids during the day, work at night, and just have a babysitter a couple days a week to get some quality hours in.  It&#8217;s like being a stay-at-home mom most of the time but getting paid to do it (well, and work on my dissertation &#8230;).  It helps make do with a low postdoc salary.</p>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sitting *here*^</description>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Renee - If you want to attract someone, you need an attitude overhaul.  Walking around with the attitude &quot;I&#039;m in my forties with no one and I feel like it&#039;s over,&quot; is only going to repel people.  No one likes a Negative Nancy.  Very few people meet the right person expressly with that intent; more often, we meet the right person incidentally while we are out living our lives, either at work or while doing an activity we enjoy.  &quot;Seeking a match&quot; shouldn&#039;t be your prime directive in every group activity you attend.  If it is, I would seek counseling; that probably isn&#039;t healthy.

You don&#039;t seem to have an issue with getting advice from people on the Internet; so, why not expand your search to common Internet dating sites?  If you want to cut right to the chase, the &#039;net  is probably your most direct path to meeting people who want what you want.  The &#039;net is rife with people who are expressly looking for a relationship, even at your age.  For example, my dad, who is in his 50s, has had quite a few successful relationships over the past decade from Internet dating, including three that lasted for multiple years.  You might get lucky and end up in a &quot;&#039;til death do us part&quot; situation, but barring that, at least you&#039;d have companionship for however long the relationship lasts.  (Some experts would argue that we aren&#039;t wired for lifelong commitments anyway, but that isn&#039;t a can of worms that I particularly care to open right here.)  The point is, your life is not &quot;basically over&quot;, so get over it and get a move on.  Good luck.

@Gina - You&#039;re $80,000 in debt, plus a mortgage, and you&#039;re deliberately having more babies?  Your problem is *not* that there are too many confusing financial strategies; Your problem is that you clearly don&#039;t have one.  You don&#039;t &quot;have&quot; to visit your overseas family every other year, that&#039;s a choice.  You don&#039;t &quot;have&quot; to impregnate yourself with babies you can&#039;t afford, that&#039;s a choice.  You don&#039;t &quot;have&quot; to spend more than you earn.  That&#039;s a choice.  Pick any strategy that involves spending less than you earn, and *choose* to stick to it.  Stop pretending the financial world is &quot;sooooo confusing&quot; like you&#039;re some sort of victim.  Start to make better choices.  Today.

@Mike - Whole Life insurance policies are not the evil deception that most financial guri will tell you they are.  It is a perfectly valid, legitimate, low-risk investment vehicle.  The nice thing is that the guaranteed minimum return is a known quantity.  Unlike a stock or mutual fund, it can not lose money when the economy tanks (unless the insurance company itself goes under, but even then, the company&#039;s reinsurance usually covers that.)  Trent&#039;s argument against it because the seller makes a commission is weak; stock brokers, fund brokers, bond brokers - these people ALL make a commission on the products they sell.  Part of your principal and/or returns are ALWAYS recaptured by those people as either commissions or operating fees.  That does not, per se, invalidate the vehicle as a good financial option.

I took out whole life policies in my early 20s, and I bought a house in 2009 when the stock market was still way down.  Rather than sell stock funds at a loss, I used life insurance policy loans to help make the down payments.  The nice thing about owning whole-life insurance was that unlike my 401k, my IRA, and my non-retirement stock funds, the cash value in the whole-life policy continued to grow at its reliable old 4.5% pace, even when the market crashed in 2008.  It is essentially a hedge fund, akin to buying bonds, but with more flexibility.  It is a great source of &quot;creditless credit&quot; at a very decent rate, with no approval process, in a down market.  (And yes, I am now in the process of paying it back.)

In an endlessly rising market, like we saw in the 20th century, your overall return will be better buying term insurance and investing the difference in stock funds.  So I suppose the true answer to your question is: Do you think the 21st century will feature the same &quot;endlessly rising market&quot; that we saw in the 20th century?  If you are confident that it will, then buying term and investing the difference would be consistent with your belief.  On the other hand, leaving it where it is could be a decent hedge in a stagnating or falling market.  (Hint: if any of us could predict that with certainty, he or she wouldn&#039;t be sitting hear reading a frugality blog.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Renee &#8211; If you want to attract someone, you need an attitude overhaul.  Walking around with the attitude &#8220;I&#8217;m in my forties with no one and I feel like it&#8217;s over,&#8221; is only going to repel people.  No one likes a Negative Nancy.  Very few people meet the right person expressly with that intent; more often, we meet the right person incidentally while we are out living our lives, either at work or while doing an activity we enjoy.  &#8220;Seeking a match&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t be your prime directive in every group activity you attend.  If it is, I would seek counseling; that probably isn&#8217;t healthy.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t seem to have an issue with getting advice from people on the Internet; so, why not expand your search to common Internet dating sites?  If you want to cut right to the chase, the &#8216;net  is probably your most direct path to meeting people who want what you want.  The &#8216;net is rife with people who are expressly looking for a relationship, even at your age.  For example, my dad, who is in his 50s, has had quite a few successful relationships over the past decade from Internet dating, including three that lasted for multiple years.  You might get lucky and end up in a &#8220;&#8217;til death do us part&#8221; situation, but barring that, at least you&#8217;d have companionship for however long the relationship lasts.  (Some experts would argue that we aren&#8217;t wired for lifelong commitments anyway, but that isn&#8217;t a can of worms that I particularly care to open right here.)  The point is, your life is not &#8220;basically over&#8221;, so get over it and get a move on.  Good luck.</p>
<p>@Gina &#8211; You&#8217;re $80,000 in debt, plus a mortgage, and you&#8217;re deliberately having more babies?  Your problem is *not* that there are too many confusing financial strategies; Your problem is that you clearly don&#8217;t have one.  You don&#8217;t &#8220;have&#8221; to visit your overseas family every other year, that&#8217;s a choice.  You don&#8217;t &#8220;have&#8221; to impregnate yourself with babies you can&#8217;t afford, that&#8217;s a choice.  You don&#8217;t &#8220;have&#8221; to spend more than you earn.  That&#8217;s a choice.  Pick any strategy that involves spending less than you earn, and *choose* to stick to it.  Stop pretending the financial world is &#8220;sooooo confusing&#8221; like you&#8217;re some sort of victim.  Start to make better choices.  Today.</p>
<p>@Mike &#8211; Whole Life insurance policies are not the evil deception that most financial guri will tell you they are.  It is a perfectly valid, legitimate, low-risk investment vehicle.  The nice thing is that the guaranteed minimum return is a known quantity.  Unlike a stock or mutual fund, it can not lose money when the economy tanks (unless the insurance company itself goes under, but even then, the company&#8217;s reinsurance usually covers that.)  Trent&#8217;s argument against it because the seller makes a commission is weak; stock brokers, fund brokers, bond brokers &#8211; these people ALL make a commission on the products they sell.  Part of your principal and/or returns are ALWAYS recaptured by those people as either commissions or operating fees.  That does not, per se, invalidate the vehicle as a good financial option.</p>
<p>I took out whole life policies in my early 20s, and I bought a house in 2009 when the stock market was still way down.  Rather than sell stock funds at a loss, I used life insurance policy loans to help make the down payments.  The nice thing about owning whole-life insurance was that unlike my 401k, my IRA, and my non-retirement stock funds, the cash value in the whole-life policy continued to grow at its reliable old 4.5% pace, even when the market crashed in 2008.  It is essentially a hedge fund, akin to buying bonds, but with more flexibility.  It is a great source of &#8220;creditless credit&#8221; at a very decent rate, with no approval process, in a down market.  (And yes, I am now in the process of paying it back.)</p>
<p>In an endlessly rising market, like we saw in the 20th century, your overall return will be better buying term insurance and investing the difference in stock funds.  So I suppose the true answer to your question is: Do you think the 21st century will feature the same &#8220;endlessly rising market&#8221; that we saw in the 20th century?  If you are confident that it will, then buying term and investing the difference would be consistent with your belief.  On the other hand, leaving it where it is could be a decent hedge in a stagnating or falling market.  (Hint: if any of us could predict that with certainty, he or she wouldn&#8217;t be sitting hear reading a frugality blog.)</p>
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		<title>By: SLCCOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLCCOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mike has had the whole life insurance for a few years, he should keep it. The upfront fees have been paid, you can&#039;t lose money on it, and the premiums will never go up. He also doesn&#039;t have to worry about becoming uninsurable. 

Also, many of these policies offer money up front if a terminal diagnosis is made later in life, which can pay off medical expenses. Then the surviving spouse will probably have a paid-off house (from payments made over the years) and no medical bills. 

I assume that he knows that you don&#039;t want to collect on insurance, but his heart and mind are in the right place, wanting to protect his wife should the worst happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mike has had the whole life insurance for a few years, he should keep it. The upfront fees have been paid, you can&#8217;t lose money on it, and the premiums will never go up. He also doesn&#8217;t have to worry about becoming uninsurable. </p>
<p>Also, many of these policies offer money up front if a terminal diagnosis is made later in life, which can pay off medical expenses. Then the surviving spouse will probably have a paid-off house (from payments made over the years) and no medical bills. </p>
<p>I assume that he knows that you don&#8217;t want to collect on insurance, but his heart and mind are in the right place, wanting to protect his wife should the worst happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Shanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, your response on taxation of health premiums is wrong.  For people whose health insurance premiums aren&#039;t paid as a pre-tax deduction by their employer, the premiums are lumped together with other medical costs and only the amount over 7.5% of AGI is deductible.  The publication you refernced lists everything you can add together to get the lump sum.  I agree with the mailer that this is unfair!  And it is a double-whammy to people like myself whose employer does not offer benefits.  Paying for health insurance out-of-pocket with after-tax earnings when other people get to use pre-tax earnings to pay for theirs, perhaps even for a share that&#039;s only a percentage of the total bill, is not fair.  It&#039;s a big reason people go uninsured. And another reason we need health care reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, your response on taxation of health premiums is wrong.  For people whose health insurance premiums aren&#8217;t paid as a pre-tax deduction by their employer, the premiums are lumped together with other medical costs and only the amount over 7.5% of AGI is deductible.  The publication you refernced lists everything you can add together to get the lump sum.  I agree with the mailer that this is unfair!  And it is a double-whammy to people like myself whose employer does not offer benefits.  Paying for health insurance out-of-pocket with after-tax earnings when other people get to use pre-tax earnings to pay for theirs, perhaps even for a share that&#8217;s only a percentage of the total bill, is not fair.  It&#8217;s a big reason people go uninsured. And another reason we need health care reform.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, please fix your response to John.  You really dropped the ball on that one.  As MattJ (#2), Johanna (#3), and Ruth (#24) have pointed out, your argument makes no sense.  

Joseph (#29) responded with the point that &quot;you can lose your money in a Roth IRA.&quot;  There is an easy answer to this, however.  Don&#039;t invest the money in anything risky.  You can put it in a Roth IRA and still keep it in cash.  A Roth IRA is a compartment for investments; it is not itself an investment of any kind.  It is not true that Roth IRAs are risky and bank accounts aren&#039;t.  Only investments can be risky.

If you can manage to build up your emergency fund before you have to tap the Roth, then all is great and you got your investment in the Roth that you otherwise wouldn&#039;t have gotten.  If you do have to tap it, then you&#039;re no worse off than if you took Trent&#039;s (incorrect) advice.  You lost the opportunity to invest, but Trent&#039;s advice lost that for you anyway.

When I was first starting out, I had a choice between putting my money in an IRA and draining my emergency fund or just keeping the emergency fund.  I drained the emergency fund every year for a couple of years, never needed it, and got a couple of years head start on my retirement I wouldn&#039;t have gotten had I followed Trent&#039;s advice.  Christine Benz&#039;s advice can never hurt you; it can only help.  Just remember not to invest the money in anything risky until you can afford to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, please fix your response to John.  You really dropped the ball on that one.  As MattJ (#2), Johanna (#3), and Ruth (#24) have pointed out, your argument makes no sense.  </p>
<p>Joseph (#29) responded with the point that &#8220;you can lose your money in a Roth IRA.&#8221;  There is an easy answer to this, however.  Don&#8217;t invest the money in anything risky.  You can put it in a Roth IRA and still keep it in cash.  A Roth IRA is a compartment for investments; it is not itself an investment of any kind.  It is not true that Roth IRAs are risky and bank accounts aren&#8217;t.  Only investments can be risky.</p>
<p>If you can manage to build up your emergency fund before you have to tap the Roth, then all is great and you got your investment in the Roth that you otherwise wouldn&#8217;t have gotten.  If you do have to tap it, then you&#8217;re no worse off than if you took Trent&#8217;s (incorrect) advice.  You lost the opportunity to invest, but Trent&#8217;s advice lost that for you anyway.</p>
<p>When I was first starting out, I had a choice between putting my money in an IRA and draining my emergency fund or just keeping the emergency fund.  I drained the emergency fund every year for a couple of years, never needed it, and got a couple of years head start on my retirement I wouldn&#8217;t have gotten had I followed Trent&#8217;s advice.  Christine Benz&#8217;s advice can never hurt you; it can only help.  Just remember not to invest the money in anything risky until you can afford to.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Renee - I meet my SO in my 40s at a local sports bar that I have visited on/off for 20 years.  Very unexpected!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Renee &#8211; I meet my SO in my 40s at a local sports bar that I have visited on/off for 20 years.  Very unexpected!</p>
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		<title>By: Shevy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shevy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy, some of de Ruiter&#039;s advice was common sense.  Things that translate basically to put your best foot forward (which successful people *do* when they first start to date) and go where the single men are, are simply logical.  Unfortunately, they&#039;re things that many people who *say* they want a relationship don&#039;t do.

Everybody is like a jewel with many facets that reveal interests, abilities and so on.  There&#039;s nothing wrong with showing someone the facets that actually exist in you and that speak to some kind of commonality between the two of you.  Pretending an interest in hunting or smoking cigars just to meet a guy is stupid and dishonest and will leave you alone and disgruntled when he spends all of hunting season in the woods, with the guys, drinking beer and smoking cigars.

As for the bar scene, I&#039;m always amazed by the people who think you can find someone at a bar!  Sure, guys who drink a lot and flirt with lots of girls, while spending a ton of money.  If that&#039;s what you want in a man, okay, but it&#039;s pretty much the antithesis of what I wanted.

Where de Ruiter really lost me and I started to throw up in my mouth was where he suggested becoming a golddigger and using a job (with access to medical and financial records) to determine who would be the best victim.

But learning not to spout negative comments about what jerks men are in general and how awful one&#039;s ex was in particular will make *everyone* more comfortable around a woman, not just the men.  Women vent with their friends every so often but some women just never turn it off and then wonder why they don&#039;t get a lot of social invites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, some of de Ruiter&#8217;s advice was common sense.  Things that translate basically to put your best foot forward (which successful people *do* when they first start to date) and go where the single men are, are simply logical.  Unfortunately, they&#8217;re things that many people who *say* they want a relationship don&#8217;t do.</p>
<p>Everybody is like a jewel with many facets that reveal interests, abilities and so on.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong with showing someone the facets that actually exist in you and that speak to some kind of commonality between the two of you.  Pretending an interest in hunting or smoking cigars just to meet a guy is stupid and dishonest and will leave you alone and disgruntled when he spends all of hunting season in the woods, with the guys, drinking beer and smoking cigars.</p>
<p>As for the bar scene, I&#8217;m always amazed by the people who think you can find someone at a bar!  Sure, guys who drink a lot and flirt with lots of girls, while spending a ton of money.  If that&#8217;s what you want in a man, okay, but it&#8217;s pretty much the antithesis of what I wanted.</p>
<p>Where de Ruiter really lost me and I started to throw up in my mouth was where he suggested becoming a golddigger and using a job (with access to medical and financial records) to determine who would be the best victim.</p>
<p>But learning not to spout negative comments about what jerks men are in general and how awful one&#8217;s ex was in particular will make *everyone* more comfortable around a woman, not just the men.  Women vent with their friends every so often but some women just never turn it off and then wonder why they don&#8217;t get a lot of social invites.</p>
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		<title>By: leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, this is not atypical for a federal grant situation. postdocs are not acutally university employees, and the funding source will determine the way that the university will pay salary and benefits. this is determined by the contract between the funding agency and the lab/department/university administration. if i were to acquire my own funding through one of the NIH institutes, i would be in the same boat at my present position. so you can see it is a significant financial disincentive for me to do this, though if i were to continue on the academic track it would be a service to my career.

overall, postdocs are tricky because they are such transient positions and nobody is really willing to make a solid commitment to you. 

you are doing well for a phd stipend, though, if that is any consolation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, this is not atypical for a federal grant situation. postdocs are not acutally university employees, and the funding source will determine the way that the university will pay salary and benefits. this is determined by the contract between the funding agency and the lab/department/university administration. if i were to acquire my own funding through one of the NIH institutes, i would be in the same boat at my present position. so you can see it is a significant financial disincentive for me to do this, though if i were to continue on the academic track it would be a service to my career.</p>
<p>overall, postdocs are tricky because they are such transient positions and nobody is really willing to make a solid commitment to you. </p>
<p>you are doing well for a phd stipend, though, if that is any consolation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, comment #40 makes me want to NEVER get married. What a sexist load of bull. 

No one should EVER lie about who they are, or pretend to be someone they aren&#039;t to &quot;catch&quot; a husband. It&#039;s dishonest and you&#039;ll be miserable forever. Love me, love my issues and STFU about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, comment #40 makes me want to NEVER get married. What a sexist load of bull. </p>
<p>No one should EVER lie about who they are, or pretend to be someone they aren&#8217;t to &#8220;catch&#8221; a husband. It&#8217;s dishonest and you&#8217;ll be miserable forever. Love me, love my issues and STFU about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee notes: &lt;&lt;I&gt;&gt;

There are three important misconceptions in that one sentence, each of which may be stopping you from getting to where you want to be. First, &quot;lucky&quot;: there&#039;s no luck involved. Finding someone requires effort, and looking in the right places. Second, there&#039;s no &quot;the one&quot;. There may be people who are 90% perfect for you and people who are 10% perfect for you, but that&#039;s not the point; the larger point is that there are hundreds of people who will be between 80 and 90% perfect for you. Last but not least, believing &quot;it&#039;s over&quot; is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The solution is not easy, but it&#039;s feasible -- and I say this as someone who&#039;s been there, post-divorce. Find things you want to do for recreation or self-improvement and that you would do whether or not you&#039;re actively seeking a partner. Pick one, two, or half a dozen of these things that get will you out of the house and give you a chance to meet new people who share your interests. Then get to know some of these people. One thing we aren&#039;t taught is that a life partner will be your best friend for the rest of your life -- we tend to look for raging flames at the start of the relationship, and forget that these inevitably calm down into coals that will warm you for the rest of your life. (It&#039;s not as boring as that sounds. Coals can be coaxed into flames again -- repeatedly!) That&#039;s a far more productive approach and attitude. At worst, you&#039;ll find a few new friends; at best, one of those friend will become &quot;the one&quot; for you.

Don&#039;t get hung up on being 40-something. That&#039;s about the age by which many divorces have happened, and there will be many divorcees out there looking for someone. The ones worth knowing are looking for someone their own age, not a trophy partner half their age. We recognize that it takes time to turn perky young grapes into a fine wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee notes: &lt;<i>&gt;</p>
<p>There are three important misconceptions in that one sentence, each of which may be stopping you from getting to where you want to be. First, &#8220;lucky&#8221;: there&#8217;s no luck involved. Finding someone requires effort, and looking in the right places. Second, there&#8217;s no &#8220;the one&#8221;. There may be people who are 90% perfect for you and people who are 10% perfect for you, but that&#8217;s not the point; the larger point is that there are hundreds of people who will be between 80 and 90% perfect for you. Last but not least, believing &#8220;it&#8217;s over&#8221; is a self-fulfilling prophecy.</p>
<p>The solution is not easy, but it&#8217;s feasible &#8212; and I say this as someone who&#8217;s been there, post-divorce. Find things you want to do for recreation or self-improvement and that you would do whether or not you&#8217;re actively seeking a partner. Pick one, two, or half a dozen of these things that get will you out of the house and give you a chance to meet new people who share your interests. Then get to know some of these people. One thing we aren&#8217;t taught is that a life partner will be your best friend for the rest of your life &#8212; we tend to look for raging flames at the start of the relationship, and forget that these inevitably calm down into coals that will warm you for the rest of your life. (It&#8217;s not as boring as that sounds. Coals can be coaxed into flames again &#8212; repeatedly!) That&#8217;s a far more productive approach and attitude. At worst, you&#8217;ll find a few new friends; at best, one of those friend will become &#8220;the one&#8221; for you.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get hung up on being 40-something. That&#8217;s about the age by which many divorces have happened, and there will be many divorcees out there looking for someone. The ones worth knowing are looking for someone their own age, not a trophy partner half their age. We recognize that it takes time to turn perky young grapes into a fine wine.</i></p>
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		<title>By: de Ruiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>de Ruiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jena,  Pay your credit card balance off 2 or three times a month.  Pay it online on the first and fifteenth.  That way you&#039;re carrying a smaller balance. 
Renee,  Go where men go, and go alone.  Want to meet other women and gay men?  Take acting lessons. Want to meet straight men?  Take stand up comedy classes.  The world abounds with decent single men. Join the Chamber Of Commerce which has programs and mixers morning, noon and night, with the added benefit that the members will have a job.  Go to gun shows, hunting and fishing expos, NASCAR events, boat shows, arms and armament shows, cigar clubs, dude ranches, white water rafting, beer tasting, Octoberfests.  You can  meet men at the grocery store, hardware stores, lumberyards, book store (think business section, NOT the self improvement section!).  Eat lunch if you lunch out, at a steak house, not a salad bar, not a place with all bleached wood and hanging ferns.  Walk a dog, a real dog, not some mop of fur and not one of those dogs you keep in your purse. Always dress nice, not sexy, just attractively in real fibers. Do not go out with another or a gaggle of women and expect to meet men. It&#039;s like hunting white tail deer, you don&#039;t search under water for your quarry, you look where the deer are, and you hunt alone so as not to spook the deer! Bars and clubs are not good places to look unless you want a companion who spends all his time at bars and clubs.  Work in a man oriented industry, like construction, computers, mathematics, wine, beer, heavy manufacturing, science.  Do not go into social work, work for non profits, get hired by a gynecologist, or a pediatrician.  Actually, the best job for meeting men would be the receptionist for a doctor with  an upscale practice treating male health problems.  You&#039;d have access to the records so you&#039;d know who was really single, who had money, what they did for a living.  Also the men are vulnerable at that time, and the sight of pretty, well dressed, sympathtic, friendly you will make you look very desireable. Spiff up your product (you), smile at normal looking men, be alone in public (means you&#039;re approachable) and enjoy what you&#039;re doing all the time, men will find you.  Everyone wants to be around a happy person, it makes them feel good.  NEVER, UNTIL AFTER THE WEDDING, TALK ABOUT HOW LONELY YOU ARE, HOW VULNERABLE, HOW EMOTIONALLY DAMAGED, NEVER DISCUSS HOW BADLY YOUR PAST MEN HAVE TREATED YOU, NEVER WHINE, ALWAYS SMILE UNLESS HIS DOG OR MOTHER DIED, AND STOP TALKING ABOUT YOUR &quot;ISSUES.&quot;  Actually, this last sentence is true for after the wedding also.  An emotionally healthy man doesn&#039;t want a damaged loser, he wants an attractive winner as his mate.  Men are competetive, they don&#039;t want the dregs.  NEVER, ON THE FIRST FEW DATES, TALK ABOUT YOUR EX.  Talk about the future, what fun things you&#039;re doing, ask him about himself, keep the conversation light and amusing.  You&#039;ll do fine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jena,  Pay your credit card balance off 2 or three times a month.  Pay it online on the first and fifteenth.  That way you&#8217;re carrying a smaller balance.<br />
Renee,  Go where men go, and go alone.  Want to meet other women and gay men?  Take acting lessons. Want to meet straight men?  Take stand up comedy classes.  The world abounds with decent single men. Join the Chamber Of Commerce which has programs and mixers morning, noon and night, with the added benefit that the members will have a job.  Go to gun shows, hunting and fishing expos, NASCAR events, boat shows, arms and armament shows, cigar clubs, dude ranches, white water rafting, beer tasting, Octoberfests.  You can  meet men at the grocery store, hardware stores, lumberyards, book store (think business section, NOT the self improvement section!).  Eat lunch if you lunch out, at a steak house, not a salad bar, not a place with all bleached wood and hanging ferns.  Walk a dog, a real dog, not some mop of fur and not one of those dogs you keep in your purse. Always dress nice, not sexy, just attractively in real fibers. Do not go out with another or a gaggle of women and expect to meet men. It&#8217;s like hunting white tail deer, you don&#8217;t search under water for your quarry, you look where the deer are, and you hunt alone so as not to spook the deer! Bars and clubs are not good places to look unless you want a companion who spends all his time at bars and clubs.  Work in a man oriented industry, like construction, computers, mathematics, wine, beer, heavy manufacturing, science.  Do not go into social work, work for non profits, get hired by a gynecologist, or a pediatrician.  Actually, the best job for meeting men would be the receptionist for a doctor with  an upscale practice treating male health problems.  You&#8217;d have access to the records so you&#8217;d know who was really single, who had money, what they did for a living.  Also the men are vulnerable at that time, and the sight of pretty, well dressed, sympathtic, friendly you will make you look very desireable. Spiff up your product (you), smile at normal looking men, be alone in public (means you&#8217;re approachable) and enjoy what you&#8217;re doing all the time, men will find you.  Everyone wants to be around a happy person, it makes them feel good.  NEVER, UNTIL AFTER THE WEDDING, TALK ABOUT HOW LONELY YOU ARE, HOW VULNERABLE, HOW EMOTIONALLY DAMAGED, NEVER DISCUSS HOW BADLY YOUR PAST MEN HAVE TREATED YOU, NEVER WHINE, ALWAYS SMILE UNLESS HIS DOG OR MOTHER DIED, AND STOP TALKING ABOUT YOUR &#8220;ISSUES.&#8221;  Actually, this last sentence is true for after the wedding also.  An emotionally healthy man doesn&#8217;t want a damaged loser, he wants an attractive winner as his mate.  Men are competetive, they don&#8217;t want the dregs.  NEVER, ON THE FIRST FEW DATES, TALK ABOUT YOUR EX.  Talk about the future, what fun things you&#8217;re doing, ask him about himself, keep the conversation light and amusing.  You&#8217;ll do fine!</p>
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		<title>By: Shelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you in encouraging your musical star!

My 4 year old has had several music classes at the local community center.  The current one is run by Musikgarten -- 5 classes for $33.  A good deal when I compared rates to the private music programs around here.

I liked all the suggestions about getting kid instruments like a xylophone, which they can just play on.  But unless you know how to play something yourself, buying any real instrument needs to wait until she can take lessons.  

My sister-in-law bought a piano thinking she would teacher herself and the kids.  A few years later she finally realized this wasn&#039;t going to happen by osmosis and sold it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you in encouraging your musical star!</p>
<p>My 4 year old has had several music classes at the local community center.  The current one is run by Musikgarten &#8212; 5 classes for $33.  A good deal when I compared rates to the private music programs around here.</p>
<p>I liked all the suggestions about getting kid instruments like a xylophone, which they can just play on.  But unless you know how to play something yourself, buying any real instrument needs to wait until she can take lessons.  </p>
<p>My sister-in-law bought a piano thinking she would teacher herself and the kids.  A few years later she finally realized this wasn&#8217;t going to happen by osmosis and sold it.</p>
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		<title>By: spaces</title>
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		<dc:creator>spaces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemme pull out my BM and my years of teaching young students music, singing, instruments, etc. and say: Trent, that thing you do where you&#039;re all methodical about your own piano practice?  Where you work for the long goal, even if it&#039;s repetitive and tedious?  Where you&#039;re willing to forgo short-term gains for more meaningful long-term gains?  DON&#039;T be like that with your daughter.  She&#039;s too little.  Music needs to stay fun for her in all the now moments, else you&#039;ll risk turning her off forever.  

I second Kindermusic / Musicgarten / whatever is available locally.  The programs are geared to young kids and integrate listening, moving, playing and singing, and are fun fun fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemme pull out my BM and my years of teaching young students music, singing, instruments, etc. and say: Trent, that thing you do where you&#8217;re all methodical about your own piano practice?  Where you work for the long goal, even if it&#8217;s repetitive and tedious?  Where you&#8217;re willing to forgo short-term gains for more meaningful long-term gains?  DON&#8217;T be like that with your daughter.  She&#8217;s too little.  Music needs to stay fun for her in all the now moments, else you&#8217;ll risk turning her off forever.  </p>
<p>I second Kindermusic / Musicgarten / whatever is available locally.  The programs are geared to young kids and integrate listening, moving, playing and singing, and are fun fun fun.</p>
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		<title>By: cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Trent, 

My daughter loved being in MusicTogether and Musicgarten. The programs involve the parents and are a lot of fun. MucicTogether is a very research-based program on how children learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Trent, </p>
<p>My daughter loved being in MusicTogether and Musicgarten. The programs involve the parents and are a lot of fun. MucicTogether is a very research-based program on how children learn.</p>
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